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Quotes from Nancy Grace's show re: the autopsy
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../19/ng.01.html
Bill Scheaffer, Former Prosecutor: The strongest point is the fact that they found the body clothed in the pink shirt with the lettering on it that George Anthony said Caylee was wearing when he last saw her, and the person he last saw her with was the mother, Casey. And always, the last person that was seen with the victim certainly is the suspect and usually turns out to be the killer. That, coupled with the forensic evidence that linked articles found at the crime scene to Casey Anthony's home, establishes a pretty strong chain of circumstance evidence in this case.
Mickey Sherman, Defense Attorney: And I disagree a little bit with the last opinion because neither one of those things really makes the ball get closer to the finish line for the state. I think what the most -- strongest evidence was today from the autopsy is the moral outrage and absolute scary, heinous act of the thought of putting duct tape along this child's mouth. That is just so upsetting to most people. That will put the nail in the coffin more than (inaudible)
Dr. Lillian Glass, psychologist: And when you realize that there may have been several pieces of duct tape that were placed over her mouth, it shows that this was an act of rage.
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Casey looks awful happy in these pics. For someone who murdered their daughter, this is incredible. Cindy sat up there on Larry King and tried to explain these pics away. Didn't do a very good job. Said Casey was looking for clues.
What clues while on a dance floor playing peak a boo inside some other young womans shirt.
She is disgusting and I'm being nice. 
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Thanx desmom for bringing these forward today. I have been looking for something specific and haven't seen it yet. Will continue searching.
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../19/ng.01.html
Bill Scheaffer, Former Prosecutor: The strongest point is the fact that they found the body clothed in the pink shirt with the lettering on it that George Anthony said Caylee was wearing when he last saw her, and the person he last saw her with was the mother, Casey.
George August 4 interview with LE page 12 - http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2419801/...script-4-Aug08
And I know she was dressed in her little uh, blue jean skirt, the white tennis shoes, um....she had a pinkish color top...........her hair was in a ponytail that day;
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Good morning everyone. Thank you so much Des, for all of your hard work in arranging these links for us everyday. They are so helpful in our discussions the entire day.
Okay, I am confused by Bill Scheaffer's statement that the shirt found at the crimescene is the exact same shirt george claimed to have seen Caylee leaving the house with. Is it really?
I still believe some of the best evidence against anthony, is the results of the chloroform found soaked into the trunk carpet.
BTW, we still do not know what the "mystery" stain was on the carpet, that george put his nose "down on" from which the death odor came. I believe it will turn out to be additional adipocere (death wax.)
My favorite part of last night's show:
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
(Brad Conway on LKL with cindy and george) - We know that there was no flesh and no hair attached to the duct tape, yet that`s what goes out to the media and that`s what people assume to be true. And that`s the unfair part, is that this young lady has not had her opportunity in court yet, yet people have drawn conclusions from discovery that`s out there. Discovery is documents that are put forth by the state, testing, statements, written statements, oral statements, taped statements. But evidence is what happens in court.
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CASAREZ: And we can confirm to you with this autopsy report released today there, in fact, was duct tape, and it in fact, was attached to the hair that was left on that skull.
Conway was shown as the liar he is, imo.
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../19/ng.01.html
Bill Scheaffer, Former Prosecutor: The strongest point is the fact that they found the body clothed in the pink shirt with the lettering on it that George Anthony said Caylee was wearing when he last saw her, and the person he last saw her with was the mother, Casey.
George August 4 interview with LE page 12 - http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2419801/...script-4-Aug08
And I know she was dressed in her little uh, blue jean skirt, the white tennis shoes, um....she had a pinkish color top...........her hair was in a ponytail that day;
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Thanks Des! IMO, Bill Scheaffer has made a huge leap here, a "pinkish color" top does not automatically translate into the pink top with those distinctive letters that was found and of course little striped pants were found, not a blue jean skirt.
If it was the exact same shirt, surely photographic memory george would have mentioned the lettering to LE?
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Good morning everyone! Thanks so much desmom for putting all those link from yesterday on this weekend thread. The link that you provided for yesterday's hearing has the best sound of any, and those that had a hard time hearing yesterday may wish to re-listen/watch that one.
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Thanks Des! IMO, Bill Scheaffer has made a huge leap here, a "pinkish color" top does not automatically translate into the pink top with those distinctive letters that was found and of course little striped pants were found, not a blue jean skirt.
If it was the exact same shirt, surely photographic memory george would have mentioned the lettering to LE?
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I agree. A huge leap. But that is the media, and it's what they do. Little girls may tend to have quite a number of pink colored tops.
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In re-listening to yesterday's hearing, I became quite suspicious that Conway did not produce a copy of the "power of attorney" that Casey supposedly gave to George and Cindy, and instead wanted the court to use George's sworn testimony to that. Something about that just didn't set right with me.
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../19/ng.01.html
Dr. Lillian Glass, psychologist: And when you realize that there may have been several pieces of duct tape that were placed over her mouth, it shows that this was an act of rage.
She also said, Psychologically, it means they want to keep that person quiet. They want to do an act, whether it's to cut off the breathing or whether it is to just to make sure they've done their job, the killer has done their job. So they use multiple pieces of tape to make sure that job was done.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...19763.htmlpage
Page 2 - C. Several overlapping pieces of duct tape, over the anterior portion of the lower skull, including the mandible and a portion of the maxilla.
page 14 - ....and grayish colored tape was noted covering the mouth and nasal aperture areas.
http://duckproducts.com/products/sub...atID=1&SubID=1 reports their utility, all purpose and professional grades are 1.88" wide...between 1 3/4" - 2" wide.
Were the "several overlapping pieces of duct tape" overlapping end to end, on top of each other or parallel to each other?
IMO, the width of one piece of duct tape would easily cover a 3 year old's mouth from under their nose to under the chin. Because the nasal aperture was also covered, I believe there was no consideration given that Caylee's airway was being blocked by the duct tape.
And for the record...anyone that attempts to silence a child with any type of gag or tape should be.. 
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Thanks Des! IMO, Bill Scheaffer has made a huge leap here, a "pinkish color" top does not automatically translate into the pink top with those distinctive letters that was found and of course little striped pants were found, not a blue jean skirt.
If it was the exact same shirt, surely photographic memory george would have mentioned the lettering to LE?
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Morning scampi and all! Des, thanks again for all you do.
I think Scheaffer is giving Geoge the benefit of the doubt that he saw Caylee that day. Most of us know he probably lied to cover up the fact that Casey stormed out of that house in a rage the night before when she had the fight with mommy dearest.
I agree with Dr. Glass. This was an act of extreme rage. Poor Caylee probably crying and screaming that she wanted grandma.
I know they didn't find chloroform in the remains because they had skeletal little bones and hair but I have no doubt this child was chloroformed.
She died a very horrific death. I'm so glad the DP is back on the table. Hope the murderer rots in hell.
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Thanks Des! IMO, Bill Scheaffer has made a huge leap here, a "pinkish color" top does not automatically translate into the pink top with those distinctive letters that was found and of course little striped pants were found, not a blue jean skirt.
If it was the exact same shirt, surely photographic memory george would have mentioned the lettering to LE?
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I have always found it odd the lst transcript we have of George is dated 7/24. Why would LE wait over a week to do a sit down interview with the family? IMO, they did not.
I have also noticed in many of the transcripts LE makes mention they, as in the witness and LE, talked before they began taping.
I think there are some statements we have not seen and I bet LE's notes have some things we have not seen from pre-interviews.
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dang desmom....you're amazing! i don't think i've ever taken the time to tell you thanks for everything you do!
thank you! 
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I absolutely agree with Dr. Glass. The OC put those multiple layers of duct tape over Caylee's mouth and nose to silence her forever.
cindy and george attempted to continue that silencing yesterday with their motion to seal the autopsy report.
Thank God for the Sunshine Laws of Florida and Judge Strickland's decision to release the report.
Yesterday little Caylee finally got a chance to speak to us. The story that she will tell us in that courtroom is going to seal casey anthony's fate, imo.
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Morning scampi and all! Des, thanks again for all you do.
I think Scheaffer is giving Geoge the benefit of the doubt that he saw Caylee that day. Most of us know he probably lied to cover up the fact that Casey stormed out of that house in a rage the night before when she had the fight with mommy dearest.
I agree with Dr. Glass. This was an act of extreme rage. Poor Caylee probably crying and screaming that she wanted grandma.
I know they didn't find chloroform in the remains because they had skeletal little bones and hair but I have no doubt this child was chloroformed.
She died a very horrific death. I'm so glad the DP is back on the table. Hope the murderer rots in hell.
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morning n/t....
actually, i think they should do to the murderer exactly what they think happened with poor Caylee.....let her almost die......then take her back to her cell for a couple of days before she is put to death....then let her rot in hell.
man......i'm only on my first cup of coffee this morning. do i sound angry to you at all? 
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Hiya N/T!! I believe one of the biggest fights in this trial, is going to be over when that duct tape was placed on Caylee's nose and mouth. Before or after her death. The defense will say after death and point to how hard it would be to place several layers of duct tape on a moving child.
But, the prosecution has an excellent argument that the tape application would be very easy if the child was sedated first with chloroform. The evidence of chloroform on that trunk carpet is critical, I hope to God this defense team isn't successful in keeping it out.
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I have always found it odd the lst transcript we have of George is dated 7/24. Why would LE wait over a week to do a sit down interview with the family? IMO, they did not.
I have also noticed in many of the transcripts LE makes mention they, as in the witness and LE, talked before they began taping.
I think there are some statements we have not seen and I bet LE's notes have some things we have not seen from pre-interviews.
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One reason might be that this appalling family could not make up their minds when they last saw Caylee alive.
I do agree tho, there's more we haven't seen yet.
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I absolutely agree with Dr. Glass. The OC put those multiple layers of duct tape over Caylee's mouth and nose to silence her forever.
cindy and george attempted to continue that silencing yesterday with their motion to seal the autopsy report.
Thank God for the Sunshine Laws of Florida and Judge Strickland's decision to release the report.
Yesterday little Caylee finally got a chance to speak to us. The story that she will tell us in that courtroom is going to seal casey anthony's fate, imo.
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A caller on HLN said the same thing and she got so emotional you could hear her sobbing when she said little Caylee finally got a chance to speak to us.
Praying Caylee Marie gets justice. The world is sitting by your side, sweet little angel.
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The "several layers of duct tape" really bother me. This was not the action of someone angry, but the action of someone in full blinding rage...imo.
I have often thought the alleged argument between Casey and Cindy on June 15 was over Casey ripping off Great-grandma Shirley. The rip-off was back in the spring. IIRC, Shirley said in one of her interviews Casey called and apologized and Shirley told her to not come around anymore. Shirley may have mentioned it to Cindy, but I don't see Cindy bringing it up again to Casey on Father's Day.
I think the argument may have had more to do with Casey's late nights out, partying and using Cindy night after night as a free babysitter. Cindy called her on the Anything but Clothes party after Cindy saw the pics on Casey's myspace/facebook pages. Casey had told Cindy she was working.
I wonder if it had anything to do with the Puerto Rico trip. Amy told Casey in a text message on 5/30, JP and Ric had their tickets, Amy had called her dad and would have her's soon. Casey responded to the text with "I'll get mine this weekend".
IMO, Casey was really looking forward to the PR trip and she was running out of time. Did she ask Cindy to buy her a ticket? Did she tell Cindy she was going to PR for "work" or a much needed vacation and Cindy would have to keep Casey? Did Cindy refuse?
Whatever the argument was about, IMO, it was because Cindy told Casey "NO" and that is not a word Casey was used to hearing from her parents.
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morning n/t....
actually, i think they should do to the murderer exactly what they think happened with poor Caylee.....let her almost die......then take her back to her cell for a couple of days before she is put to death....then let her rot in hell.
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nah, you sound like you always do. 
I agree that sometimes we wish the murderers would experience the same pain they inflicted on their victims. Instead we get a glimpse of how well protected they are in jail and free to order whatever the heck they want from the jail commissary. Crazy people even depositing money in their jail account.
It's disgusting.
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Hiya N/T!! I believe one of the biggest fights in this trial, is going to be over when that duct tape was placed on Caylee's nose and mouth. Before or after her death. The defense will say after death and point to how hard it would be to place several layers of duct tape on a moving child.
But, the prosecution has an excellent argument that the tape application would be very easy if the child was sedated first with chloroform. The evidence of chloroform on that trunk carpet is critical, I hope to God this defense team isn't successful in keeping it out.
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I say good luck to them. Even if the prosecution can't prove Caylee was chloroformed, any intelligent juror would know that an adult can overpower a 2 year old especially in a fit of rage.
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I have always found it odd the lst transcript we have of George is dated 7/24. Why would LE wait over a week to do a sit down interview with the family? IMO, they did not.
I have also noticed in many of the transcripts LE makes mention they, as in the witness and LE, talked before they began taping.
I think there are some statements we have not seen and I bet LE's notes have some things we have not seen from pre-interviews.
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Good morning all
Thank you Desmom for all the links. I have some catching up to do.
Don't forget LE had George Cindy Casey and Lee provide written statements first on July 15th. Those were the statements that stated June 9th as the last day anyone saw Caylee. Just after those statements LE discovered the Father's Day video. Cindy then began appearing on talk shows spewing all kinds of stuff. LE, noting all the inconsistencies then decided to do a more in depth sit down interview over a week later.
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Hiya N/T!! I believe one of the biggest fights in this trial, is going to be over when that duct tape was placed on Caylee's nose and mouth. Before or after her death. The defense will say after death and point to how hard it would be to place several layers of duct tape on a moving child.
But, the prosecution has an excellent argument that the tape application would be very easy if the child was sedated first with chloroform. The evidence of chloroform on that trunk carpet is critical, I hope to God this defense team isn't successful in keeping it out.
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I read a blog somewhere in the couple of months or so that mentioned Caylee's love for Sponge Bob. The blog brought up a character from the show named Pearl. Pearl is gray, wears a ponytail and her mouth is a red heart. Here is a picture of Pearl - http://www.buddytv.com/articles/spon...rl-krabs-1.jpg
I found it eerie. jmo
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I think you're right Des, this eruption had been brewing for sometime and it all exploded on 6/15.
I think after reading this report, we also have an explanation of the first degree murder charge. I believe that sedating Caylee with the chloroform and duct taping her nose and mouth are the agravated child abuse factors that led to her death. How Lyon can seriously file a motion claiming the DP is not applicable in this case is beyond me.
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Hiya N/T!! I believe one of the biggest fights in this trial, is going to be over when that duct tape was placed on Caylee's nose and mouth. Before or after her death. The defense will say after death and point to how hard it would be to place several layers of duct tape on a moving child.
But, the prosecution has an excellent argument that the tape application would be very easy if the child was sedated first with chloroform. The evidence of chloroform on that trunk carpet is critical, I hope to God this defense team isn't successful in keeping it out.
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Morning Scampi
There's also the possibility Caylee was so terrified she froze and was unable to move.
My friend was a recent victim of an armed robbery. She was so traumatized, her legs froze and she was unable to walk. Once the adrenaline began to wear off, she was able to move again.
If an adult can freeze in fear it wouldn't take much for a child.
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I read a blog somewhere in the couple of months or so that mentioned Caylee's love for Sponge Bob. The blog brought up a character from the show named Pearl. Pearl is gray, wears a ponytail and her mouth is a red heart. Here is a picture of Pearl - http://www.buddytv.com/articles/spon...rl-krabs-1.jpg
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Pearl is also dressed in pink. Eerie is right. I bet george got the significance of this right away. casey anthony is one sick puppy, imo.
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Des, I think it's all of the above.
IMO, she may have asked mom and dad for money to go on the PR trip and perhaps that's when they confronted her and asked her why she didn't have the money to pay for the trip herself. They thought she had a job. Maybe they got a hold of her bank account with Zero money in it and wanted to know where she was spending all her money. She obviously wasn't paying a babysitter. Everyone did it for free including Zanny the nanny.
Game over. She was caught lying again and mom, dad and Caylee were cramping her style. She needed mom and dad to watch Caylee when she was out partying. By getting rid of Caylee, she didn't need mom and dad anymore, she didn't have to answer to them and she could steal money from her friends or whoever she could victimize.
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Good morning, Scamp!
I thought the very same thing when I heard the duct tape WAS attached to the hair. I thought of Brad Conway. And I was shocked, shocked, that he was revealed to be such a liar.
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There's also the possibility Caylee was so terrified she froze and was unable to move.
My friend was a recent victim of an armed robbery. She was so traumatized, her legs froze and she was unable to walk. Once the adrenaline began to wear off, she was able to move again.
If an adult can freeze in fear it wouldn't take much for a child.
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Morning Ell, you're right she could have froze. It boggles the mind just thinking about this little girl's last moments with that monster.
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06-20-2009, 08:59 AM
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Oh My
Now that's spooky. Pink outfit and a heart? 
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06-20-2009, 09:05 AM
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Des, I think it's all of the above.
IMO, she may have asked mom and dad for money to go on the PR trip and perhaps that's when they confronted her and asked her why she didn't have the money to pay for the trip herself. They thought she had a job. Maybe they got a hold of her bank account with Zero money in it and wanted to know where she was spending all her money. She obviously wasn't paying a babysitter. Everyone did it for free including Zanny the nanny.
Game over. She was caught lying again and mom, dad and Caylee were cramping her style. She needed mom and dad to watch Caylee when she was out partying. By getting rid of Caylee, she didn't need mom and dad anymore, she didn't have to answer to them and she could steal money from her friends or whoever she could victimize.
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IMO, the argument was over her embezzling money from her own grandmother, for cryin' out loud! Money meant to pay for her grandfather's care!! Casey stole money from her mother's parents and I believe Cindy had had it. That embezzlement is far, far more egregious than even asking for money for Puerto Rico.
I agree with the part I bolded above. And would add not only were they cramping her style, they were hectoring her about changing her lifestyle and being more responsible. Further I add the thought that I have been propounding for, it seems, a long, long time: PLUS she took from Cindy that which Cindy loved so very much and she did it to SPITE HER MOTHER.
IMO, Casey's motive was two-fold: a desire to be independent and to spite her mother. Murdering Caylee accomplished both.
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06-20-2009, 09:08 AM
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Good morning all
Thank you Desmom for all the links. I have some catching up to do.
Don't forget LE had George Cindy Casey and Lee provide written statements first on July 15th. Those were the statements that stated June 9th as the last day anyone saw Caylee. Just after those statements LE discovered the Father's Day video. Cindy then began appearing on talk shows spewing all kinds of stuff. LE, noting all the inconsistencies then decided to do a more in depth sit down interview over a week later.
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And the wording of their handwritten statements are very odd.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/...lando-sentinel
Lee - page 33 - She claimed she's been searching for Caylee herself and had other people helping her.
WTH is up with "she claimed"? Was Lee questioning Casey's story?
Cindy's statement on page 35 and does not mention the "nanny" one time. Why wouldn't Cindy tell LE about all the times Casey told her Caylee was with the nanny?
George's statement page 37 - ....and told me that Caylee Marie (our granddaughter) was missing, taken a month ago, by a person by the name of Zany.
He did not say taken by her babysitter or nanny, but "a person by the name of Zany". What is up with that? Wouldn't you think George being former LE he would realize how important it would be to the investigation to write "by her babysitter/nanny named Zany"?
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06-20-2009, 09:12 AM
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desmom, Thank You for the one year ago daily recap and all the link.
It's the first thing I go to each day. Shellzbi.
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06-20-2009, 09:16 AM
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Des, I think it's all of the above.
IMO, she may have asked mom and dad for money to go on the PR trip and perhaps that's when they confronted her and asked her why she didn't have the money to pay for the trip herself. They thought she had a job. Maybe they got a hold of her bank account with Zero money in it and wanted to know where she was spending all her money. She obviously wasn't paying a babysitter. Everyone did it for free including Zanny the nanny.
Game over. She was caught lying again and mom, dad and Caylee were cramping her style. She needed mom and dad to watch Caylee when she was out partying. By getting rid of Caylee, she didn't need mom and dad anymore, she didn't have to answer to them and she could steal money from her friends or whoever she could victimize.
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bolding mine....
Hmmm, that could explain Cindy's July 3 myspace post when she wrote "no money, no future". page 34 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/...lando-sentinel
I think the prosecution will bring up this myspace post when they question Cindy at trial.
Cindy has said repeatedly Casey and Caylee were on a bonding trip, but wrote "leaves without warning".
Cindy also told the FBI she provided LE with Zanny's address, but she wrote "Who is now watching out for the little angel?"
jmo
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06-20-2009, 09:24 AM
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bolding mine....
Hmmm, that could explain Cindy's July 3 myspace post when she wrote "no money, no future". page 34 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/...lando-sentinel
I think the prosecution will bring up this myspace post when they question Cindy at trial.
Cindy has said repeatedly Casey and Caylee were on a bonding trip, but wrote "leaves without warning".
Cindy also told the FBI she provided LE with Zanny's address, but she wrote "Who is now watching out for the little angel?"
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The implication of this statement is that Caylee NEEDED someone to watch out for her, imo. A true thought if ever I heard one about Caylee. Yep, cindy has lots of explaining to do with this little myspace message.
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Originally Posted by desmom
bolding mine....
Hmmm, that could explain Cindy's July 3 myspace post when she wrote "no money, no future". page 34 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3868229/...lando-sentinel
I think the prosecution will bring up this myspace post when they question Cindy at trial.
Cindy has said repeatedly Casey and Caylee were on a bonding trip, but wrote "leaves without warning".
Cindy also told the FBI she provided LE with Zanny's address, but she wrote "Who is now watching out for the little angel?"
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Yup...and:
this mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change but instead more lies more betrayal....
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[color=blue]Good morning everyone.
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Conway was shown as the liar he is, imo.
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Based on his performance in court yesterday, I wonder if C & G will now consider him useless and fire him. They always need to blame someone for everything that is happening...because we know it is NEVER their fault.
Good morning all.
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