what do you think is the most sigificant

[courtsinsession]

part(s) of the autopsy: for me it is the duct tape and (I hate to even write this) that roots were growing through this poor child's remains; that tells me her body had been there for a long time and destroys the defense's position that her body had been dumped recently before it was found. What do ya all think? When I read that this poor child suffered at the time of her death and was most likely conscious and knew what was happening to her, I wanted to cry. Then you see her POS mother sitting in court and smiling and laughing with Jose and her other attorney. Ugh; it is hideous.

[SKARDYKAT]

It's probably not so much a part of the autopsy, but I think hair samples that the ME got and sent to be tested will produce some good evidence. It should confirm what they found on the hair that was in the trunk.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by courtsinsession

part(s) of the autopsy: for me it is the duct tape and (I hate to even write this) that roots were growing through this poor child's remains; that tells me her body had been there for a long time and destroys the defense's position that her body had been dumped recently before it was found. What do ya all think? When I read that this poor child suffered at the time of her death and was most likely conscious and knew what was happening to her, I wanted to cry. Then you see her POS mother sitting in court and smiling and laughing with Jose and her other attorney. Ugh; it is hideous.

I agree. As soon as I heard the duct tape was all over that made me sick of this case all over again Even if there was cholorform on her hair there were still gases in the truck either way to say she expired in the truck. IMO sara

[msgatorslayer]

Yeah, the botany evidence they have is good.

The root growth, the bones found UNDER the fall leaves.

[gogo]

Caylee could have been placed at the site days or a even weeks after death. There were months in between when she was discovered, plenty of time for the conditions to evolve.
The body could have been moved with the same results. Caylee was in that area for months either way .

[courtsinsession]

I have always felt that Casey went into a rage, maybe struck Caylee; Caylee was becoming a burden, maybe she was crying and Casey wanted to go party at that moment and at that moment she hated that poor innocent child; Casey had to silence Caylee because she couldn't stand her crying or screaming or demands and Casey used the duct tape to silence Caylee once and for all. It appears Caylee was suffocated. I think the prosecution would be wise to stay away from the chloroform as an agent of death because nothing like that was found in Caylee's body to support that theory. Casey may have used a llittle chloroform to sedate Caylee and shut her up.

[kanzz]

Originally Posted by courtsinsession

I have always felt that Casey went into a rage, maybe struck Caylee; Caylee was becoming a burden, maybe she was crying and Casey wanted to go party at that moment and at that moment she hated that poor innocent child; Casey had to silence Caylee because she couldn't stand her crying or screaming or demands and Casey used the duct tape to silence Caylee once and for all. It appears Caylee was suffocated. I think the prosecution would be wise to stay away from the chloroform as an agent of death because nothing like that was found in Caylee's body to support that theory. Casey may have used a llittle chloroform to sedate Caylee and shut her up.

I'm pretty much right there with you, courtsinsession. I, too, initially thought she might have struck Caylee in rage. When they first mentioned the chloroform, I thought it was used to subdue the victim so she would not struggle while dying. I think that was shortly after the blowout at casa Anthony on Father's Day.

[Dunlurken]

I think the pieces of the pink shirt that George said was the last thing he saw Caylee in is also important. He helped sink his daughter's own ship, thus the guilt.

[CRRJJ]

Originally Posted by courtsinsession

I have always felt that Casey went into a rage, maybe struck Caylee; Caylee was becoming a burden, maybe she was crying and Casey wanted to go party at that moment and at that moment she hated that poor innocent child; Casey had to silence Caylee because she couldn't stand her crying or screaming or demands and Casey used the duct tape to silence Caylee once and for all. It appears Caylee was suffocated. I think the prosecution would be wise to stay away from the chloroform as an agent of death because nothing like that was found in Caylee's body to support that theory. Casey may have used a llittle chloroform to sedate Caylee and shut her up.

yes, I agree with all of what you say, however, there is still something is terribly wrong with casey. If, as we say, she went into a rage and killed Caylee, I would think she would have cracked by now. But this stubborn, cold, hateful person that has emerged now tells me she is not now nor has ever been sorry for what she did. If it truly was an accident she would have shown remorse, shame, sorrow, something!!!!! All we see from her now is an angry, selfish, ugly, self centered monster

[september]

Originally Posted by CRRJJ

yes, I agree with all of what you say, however, there is still something is terribly wrong with casey. If, as we say, she went into a rage and killed Caylee, I would think she would have cracked by now. But this stubborn, cold, hateful person that has emerged now tells me she is not now nor has ever been sorry for what she did. If it truly was an accident she would have shown remorse, shame, sorrow, something!!!!! All we see from her now is an angry, selfish, ugly, self centered monster

I read a lot of crime fiction, Michael Connelly, John Sandford,etc. and the most scary villains are the female ones, for me at least. I think that Casey is capable of anything, killing her parents, or acting as a hired assassin if the money was right. She is so cold and to be so cool under questioning from LE at age 22. I truly believe that sooner or later she would have killed someone.

[LisaM22]

Originally Posted by CRRJJ

yes, I agree with all of what you say, however, there is still something is terribly wrong with casey. If, as we say, she went into a rage and killed Caylee, I would think she would have cracked by now. But this stubborn, cold, hateful person that has emerged now tells me she is not now nor has ever been sorry for what she did. If it truly was an accident she would have shown remorse, shame, sorrow, something!!!!! All we see from her now is an angry, selfish, ugly, self centered monster

this is one of the reasons I think she woudl be better trying to go with the insanity plea, depends on the jury as to weather they woudl let her off or not, but I think it is her only shot

[courtsinsession]

Originally Posted by CRRJJ

yes, I agree with all of what you say, however, there is still something is terribly wrong with casey. If, as we say, she went into a rage and killed Caylee, I would think she would have cracked by now. But this stubborn, cold, hateful person that has emerged now tells me she is not now nor has ever been sorry for what she did. If it truly was an accident she would have shown remorse, shame, sorrow, something!!!!! All we see from her now is an angry, selfish, ugly, self centered monster

the crime perpetrated by Casey upon her daughter was no accident; it was a cold calculated killing by a sociopathic killer; what you see when you look at Casey Anthony is a shell of a human, with a void where emotions reside in normal people; she cares only for herself, her pleasure and the life she believes she deserves; She grew to resent and hate her daughter (IMO) because Caylee was getting in the way of her having the fun she felt she deserved, the partying and all of that. Plus of course there was the poisonous relationship she had with her mother which impacts all of this.

[girlspell]

I find it hard to believe this is the first time she's killed. She's must have had run ins with the law before. She's been manipulative and deceitful since she was a small child. Anyone know if Casey had a juvenile record?

[Booklover]

Originally Posted by courtsinsession

part(s) of the autopsy: for me it is the duct tape and (I hate to even write this) that roots were growing through this poor child's remains; that tells me her body had been there for a long time and destroys the defense's position that her body had been dumped recently before it was found. What do ya all think? When I read that this poor child suffered at the time of her death and was most likely conscious and knew what was happening to her, I wanted to cry. Then you see her POS mother sitting in court and smiling and laughing with Jose and her other attorney. Ugh; it is hideous.

Excellent post, courtsinsession! I completely agree with you. I can't understand how anyone could defend a mother who sits in Court smiling, grinning & primping for the cameras while her daughter is dead. It would be a ridiculous argument to try to claim that she's grieving through "ugly coping" since she was doing exactly the same things before Caylee went missing. George Anthony stated that the release of the autopsy results would "tarnish" Caylee's memory. What he really meant to say was that it would "tarnish" the image of his daughter, Casey! As if that's even possible, based upon what we all know about her. Casey cares about no one but herself, and she has more than proven that by her behavior. IMO

[TaraCrazyHair]

The one thing I took from the report was the fact it stated the tape was used to keep the mandible closed

That tells me the tape was used to keep the mouth from opening -- as in screaming ... crying

I still think she used drugs as a babysitter ... and Caylee died from that Suffocation

[scarlet30]

Originally Posted by courtsinsession

the crime perpetrated by Casey upon her daughter was no accident; it was a cold calculated killing by a sociopathic killer; what you see when you look at Casey Anthony is a shell of a human, with a void where emotions reside in normal people; she cares only for herself, her pleasure and the life she believes she deserves; She grew to resent and hate her daughter (IMO) because Caylee was getting in the way of her having the fun she felt she deserved, the partying and all of that. Plus of course there was the poisonous relationship she had with her mother which impacts all of this.

Interesting post "courtsinsession" ...I believed right from the start Casey premeditated Caylee's murder. She fits the criteria for Anti Social Personality Disorder. I have not been able to find the Autopsy report and read through it as of yet. Just what Nancy Grace has talked about or posted on her Blog. The duct tape was wound around poor Caylee's head...covering her mouth and nose. That clearly shows intent to suffocate IMHO.

In addition, she probably had been planning the murder for months and the fight with Cindy set the wheels in motion. She grew to despise her daughter and plotted a way to rid herself of this burden. I just hope the jury sees through this ridiculous story and finds her guilty of 1st degree murder.

I can't imagine what was going through this innocent childs mind the last moments with her monster of a mother.

[farrahrani]

Originally Posted by girlspell

I find it hard to believe this is the first time she's killed. She's must have had run ins with the law before. She's been manipulative and deceitful since she was a small child. Anyone know if Casey had a juvenile record?

Casey did have a juvenile record but it was sealed.
Since most of her crimes (aside from murder) have been financial, I'd think its safe to guess that it was something similar. Maybe lifting a blouse she liked, or a cd she couldn't afford on her allowance, or swiping cash from someone, or using a 'borrowed' credit card. Theft seems to be a recurring issue with her, and I wouldn't believe it only started in early adulthood when she needed to pretend to have a job.

IMO

[girlspell]

Originally Posted by farrahrani

Casey did have a juvenile record but it was sealed.
Since most of her crimes (aside from murder) have been financial, I'd think its safe to guess that it was something similar. Maybe lifting a blouse she liked, or a cd she couldn't afford on her allowance, or swiping cash from someone, or using a 'borrowed' credit card. Theft seems to be a recurring issue with her, and I wouldn't believe it only started in early adulthood when she needed to pretend to have a job.

IMO

One reason I wondered was if she is convicted that juvie record would be unsealed?

No matter what the defense comes up with. And with Baez you know it's going to be a doozy, the fact that she never reported her daughter missing speaks volumes. He can't get around that.

[VII]

Originally Posted by LisaM22

this is one of the reasons I think she woudl be better trying to go with the insanity plea, depends on the jury as to weather they woudl let her off or not, but I think it is her only shot

too late for that ....
she'll have plenty of time to thank Jose' for getting her to DR.

7

[VII]

Originally Posted by courtsinsession

the crime perpetrated by Casey upon her daughter was no accident; it was a cold calculated killing by a sociopathic killer; what you see when you look at Casey Anthony is a shell of a human, with a void where emotions reside in normal people; she cares only for herself, her pleasure and the life she believes she deserves; She grew to resent and hate her daughter (IMO) because Caylee was getting in the way of her having the fun she felt she deserved, the partying and all of that. Plus of course there was the poisonous relationship she had with her mother which impacts all of this.

There were NUMEROUS options for her to get out of that "poisonous relationship with her Mother. She COULD have id'd the father of Caylee and gotten assistance, child support, etc...
God forBID getting her college education and getting a REAL job.
George and Cindy COULD have gone for custody and had her butt to hit the road.

Could'a, Should'a, Would'a ....

7

[courtsinsession]

Obviously she didn't want a real job since it would interfere with her partying all night; i mean you can't party all night and expect to be ready for a job at 8 am. The fact that she told different stories to everybody about her job situation ( all her friends and family believed she was working) and the fact that she told everyone a different story about where Caylee was (the beach, disney world, with the nanny), just shows the depth of her manipulation of people and the ends to which she would go to maintain all of her lies. The fact that even when she got to Universal Studios with the police and still maintained her lies, until backed right smack up against the wall, tells you all you need to know about this b---ch. One of the most calculating, evil, cold-hearted women killers you will ever see; she will never ever break.

[VII]

I'm still inclined to believe she was "providing services" for a fee
when she could
OTHERwise
she went around pretending to be everyones BFF
using them and losing them
They should go check all those burned bridges for a testimony of her character, or lack thereof.

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[spydernweb2006]

The BIGGEST hurdles are gonna be:

No one saw Caylee or attempted to see or help Caylee for over 30 days.

Last Person to be seen with Caylee is her Mother Casey.

Duct tape does NOT magically wrap around a toddler's mouth.

Human decomp just doesnt happen in a car without a dead body.

Casey NEVER EVER looked for Caylee and gave a false Nanny story when pushed to admit where Caylee was. (To this day NO CREDIBLE leads for the Nanny that Casey claimed had Caylee have been found or uncovered.)

NO way is a Jury gonna buy anything that the defense spews. Just too many facts that the defense has no reasonable defense for. No Parent is gonna be able to sit on that jury and understand how a Mother could party and screw around and have no care for the well being of her toddler for over 30 days. Casey and her Family have lied soooooo much I think its gonna be hard for any reasonable defense to fly in this case.


As biased as this post may come across Im truly trying hard to be objective and fair. I used the released documentation to base my opinion on, NOT message boards or TV/News reports. (Not that I dont enjoy reading, listening too and posting from message boards and TV News, just I tried to use ONLY items that could be used in the actual court case)

Props to my FLB buddies!

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[courtsinsession]

One of the most ugly defenses we will hear is "everyone grieves differently"- they always trot that one out in cases of sociopathic killers (ala Scott Peterson), who have such inappropriate reactions that there is no no reasonable explanation; I can hear defense counsel now: ladies and gentlemen of the jury: consider this is a young immature mother, desperate to find her daughter but unsure where to look or what to do; now, going out and partying all night, night after night for 30 days, isn't how most of us would choose as a way to demonstrate our grief and concern, but this young woman was frightened; she didn't feel she could tell her parents that Caylee was missing because she was worried they would blame her; Casey dealt with her grief and fear, the only way she could, taking off her clothes, wrapping herself in the flag, getting drunk, screwing around, night after night (well they might leave out the last part); what else could she do?

[apothecary]

I think the duct tape is huge,but did the report say it was wrapped around the head or are we assuming this.I read several pieces overlapping.That really does not say around the head.If it were around the head I would imagine one long piece.Nevertheless it certainly was put on tightly and in large enough pieces to catch the hair on both sides and cover the nose.I don't think any of us expected it to have covered the nose.That part just hits me in the heart and gut.

[LILMANMAX]

Originally Posted by TaraCrazyHair

The one thing I took from the report was the fact it stated the tape was used to keep the mandible closed

That tells me the tape was used to keep the mouth from opening -- as in screaming ... crying

I still think she used drugs as a babysitter ... and Caylee died from that Suffocation

ITA with you.

Ranks right up there with the Susan Smith drowning of her precious boys. JMO

[crimeq]

Originally Posted by apothecary

I think the duct tape is huge,but did the report say it was wrapped around the head or are we assuming this.I read several pieces overlapping.That really does not say around the head.If it were around the head I would imagine one long piece.Nevertheless it certainly was put on tightly and in large enough pieces to catch the hair on both sides and cover the nose.I don't think any of us expected it to have covered the nose.That part just hits me in the heart and gut.

Tape over the nose is what tells me it was intentionally applied to suffocate Caylee Some have speculated that the tape was to keep her mouth from sagging open after death, but in that case it wouldn't be necessary (or likely) to place the tape over her nose.

[Carol25]

31 days...dead body in her trunk...lies and more lies...parties and more parties...

[anon-o-miss]

While I think all the evidence gathered from the "dump site" is crucial, I think the linchpin is going to be being able to tie Casey in at every turn.
She is the last person to be seen with Caylee.
She doesn't tell ANYONE Caylee is missing.... Strike that, the people she claims to have told don't exist.
She claims to have met "the Nanny" through Jeff Hopkins (Not that Jeff Hopkins another Jeff hopkins), when Zany Zanny was watching baby Zachary ( who of course doesn't exist)
just a little side note isn't it funny how Casey knows so many people that either have no record of ever walking the planet, or have the exact same name as an already existing friend or acquaintance of Casey's. (ie. Not that Zenaida, Not that Jeff)
She conducts her own "investigation" at every party in orange county without asking even one person if they've seen Caylee, Zanny, Sam, Raquel, or Jennifer.
She has no job, therefore no need for a nanny
She avoids her family at all costs, even going so far as having a group of friends leave a club when she hears Lee is on his way.
She gets a tattoo to commemorate how beautiful her life is after her daughter goes missing.
She lies about Caylee calling her.
She lies to law enforcement about EVERYTHING.
She ditches her car that just so happens to smell like a dead body (from all that pizza and arm & in the trunk, I guess that's excusable, hasn't that happened to us all at some point)
The list goes on and on. While I think the autopsy is a treasure trove of information, it doesn't necessarily point at anyone. What it does help to show is that, from the day Caylee was dumped in the woods to the day that she was reported missing, her mother not only did absolutely nothing to find her, she hindered anyone looking for Caylee at every turn. IMO the final nail in Casey's coffin is PRP herself.

[courtsinsession]

Originally Posted by anon-o-miss

While I think all the evidence gathered from the "dump site" is crucial, I think the linchpin is going to be being able to tie Casey in at every turn.
She is the last person to be seen with Caylee.
She doesn't tell ANYONE Caylee is missing.... Strike that, the people she claims to have told don't exist.
She claims to have met "the Nanny" through Jeff Hopkins (Not that Jeff Hopkins another Jeff hopkins), when Zany Zanny was watching baby Zachary ( who of course doesn't exist)
just a little side note isn't it funny how Casey knows so many people that either have no record of ever walking the planet, or have the exact same name as an already existing friend or acquaintance of Casey's. (ie. Not that Zenaida, Not that Jeff)
She conducts her own "investigation" at every party in orange county without asking even one person if they've seen Caylee, Zanny, Sam, Raquel, or Jennifer.
She has no job, therefore no need for a nanny
She avoids her family at all costs, even going so far as having a group of friends leave a club when she hears Lee is on his way.
She gets a tattoo to commemorate how beautiful her life is after her daughter goes missing.
She lies about Caylee calling her.
She lies to law enforcement about EVERYTHING.
She ditches her car that just so happens to smell like a dead body (from all that pizza and arm & in the trunk, I guess that's excusable, hasn't that happened to us all at some point)
The list goes on and on. While I think the autopsy is a treasure trove of information, it doesn't necessarily point at anyone. What it does help to show is that, from the day Caylee was dumped in the woods to the day that she was reported missing, her mother not only did absolutely nothing to find her, she hindered anyone looking for Caylee at every turn. IMO the final nail in Casey's coffin is PRP herself.

Great post; you've pretty much nailed it; i think you should give the opening statement.

[?noanswer]

Originally Posted by scarlet30

Interesting post "courtsinsession" ...I believed right from the start Casey premeditated Caylee's murder. She fits the criteria for Anti Social Personality Disorder. I have not been able to find the Autopsy report and read through it as of yet. Just what Nancy Grace has talked about or posted on her Blog. The duct tape was wound around poor Caylee's head...covering her mouth and nose. That clearly shows intent to suffocate IMHO.

In addition, she probably had been planning the murder for months and the fight with Cindy set the wheels in motion. She grew to despise her daughter and plotted a way to rid herself of this burden. I just hope the jury sees through this ridiculous story and finds her guilty of 1st degree murder.

I can't imagine what was going through this innocent childs mind the last moments with her monster of a mother.

I think she may have been planning G&C's death also, but after the fight with her mother, I think Caylee was crying for Cindy and she got so mad, she did it before she had planned. JMO

[taylor63]

Originally Posted by CRRJJ

yes, I agree with all of what you say, however, there is still something is terribly wrong with casey. If, as we say, she went into a rage and killed Caylee, I would think she would have cracked by now. But this stubborn, cold, hateful person that has emerged now tells me she is not now nor has ever been sorry for what she did. If it truly was an accident she would have shown remorse, shame, sorrow, something!!!!! All we see from her now is an angry, selfish, ugly, self centered monster

I agree, and thinking about what that poor little child went through in the last moments of her life just horrifies me as well as breaks my heart. When I hear Cindy talking about how Caylee got her goodness,compassion, and beauty from Casey it sickens me beyond words. I realize that is her daughter, and she is trying to protect her, but come on the way she talks sometimes it's almost like her grandchild mean't nothing to her at all.