CA Looks to Immigrant Inmates to Save Costs

[YoYo]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_califo...reeing_inmates

"SACRAMENTO, Calif. – With California slipping into a financial sinkhole, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is proposing to save more than $180 million by cutting short the sentences of thousands of immigrants in the state's prisons and turning them ................"

Is the Gov thinking there is more than one way to skin a cat?

[Lady_Jean_La]

The Governor thinks it is a federal problem. imo

[YoYo]

Originally Posted by Lady_Jean_La

The Governor thinks it is a federal problem. imo

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[Lady_Jean_La]

There was a news story on the radio this morning. Someone discovered the state had 16,000 phone lines not being used at a cost of 3 million per year. And the Governor is going lay off fire fighters and close parks and yes... release prisoners early.

[YoYo]

WH say "NO" to CA Bailout Plan

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/sh...d.php?t=354990

Thus my remark re: "More than one way to skin a cat" (which is an expression that is no longer PC, I suspect).

[YoYo]

Originally Posted by choco_con

I already alerted PETA of your response.

I'm not worried. I think they are still focusing on the "other incident."

[Brat2002]

choco_con and YoYo, you guys are too funny!!!!

[Carol25]

Originally Posted by YoYo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_califo...reeing_inmates

"SACRAMENTO, Calif. – With California slipping into a financial sinkhole, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is proposing to save more than $180 million by cutting short the sentences of thousands of immigrants in the state's prisons and turning them ................"

Is the Gov thinking there is more than one way to skin a cat?

Do they get to take their families with them? They are illegal too, aren't they? I hope put them on a jet and fly them far enough away from the border. Charge it to the Fed. gov't.

[YoYo]

Originally Posted by BackChat

You can't teach an old dog new tricks either.

lol - you can't teach a pig to sing...... Oh, wait - what's this thread about?

I think the governor and possible a couple other governors may have found a partial solution to their states' financial woes.

From the article:

"Officials in other states, including Oregon and Washington, are considering similar moves."

[LisaM22]

Originally Posted by YoYo

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_califo...reeing_inmates

"SACRAMENTO, Calif. – With California slipping into a financial sinkhole, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is proposing to save more than $180 million by cutting short the sentences of thousands of immigrants in the state's prisons and turning them ................"

Is the Gov thinking there is more than one way to skin a cat?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_califo...reeing_inmates

"Officials with the Mexican consulate in Sacramento expressed concern that thousands of ex-convicts could be deported to Mexico.

[Details]

Originally Posted by Lady_Jean_La

The Governor thinks it is a federal problem. imo

It is. Border control is a federal responsibility. Failing to enforce illegal immigrant hiring laws is no small part of how we are where we are today. California doesn't control this issue - the feds do.


I love the idea - let's overload them with illegals to deport, let them take on the financial burden of handling them. They can explain to us why all of these people were let in our porous border, able to work at jobs that were able to present false information to the IRS that the IRS knew was false, and not be prosecuted.

California has always had huge costs from our lack of enforcement of immigration law. Only now that we no longer have so much money to spare are we finally getting vocal about it.

[Details]

Originally Posted by LisaM22

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_califo...reeing_inmates

"Officials with the Mexican consulate in Sacramento expressed concern that thousands of ex-convicts could be deported to Mexico.

Yeah - they love the open border, their criminals come here.

[flareon]

Originally Posted by Carol25

Do they get to take their families with them? They are illegal too, aren't they? I hope put them on a jet and fly them far enough away from the border. Charge it to the Fed. gov't.

Wouldn't that be great! Now that one state is going to do this I hope they all follow suit. The federal government has fallen down on their responsibility and the states have had to pay for it. This has been going on so long, illegals are in every state in the country.

[Lady_Jean_La]

Originally Posted by Details

It is. Border control is a federal responsibility. Failing to enforce illegal immigrant hiring laws is no small part of how we are where we are today. California doesn't control this issue - the feds do.


I love the idea - let's overload them with illegals to deport, let them take on the financial burden of handling them. They can explain to us why all of these people were let in our porous border, able to work at jobs that were able to present false information to the IRS that the IRS knew was false, and not be prosecuted.

California has always had huge costs from our lack of enforcement of immigration law. Only now that we no longer have so much money to spare are we finally getting vocal about it.

And if the fed continues to do nothing it will just be worse. imo

[theal3]

Originally Posted by Suzetta

Well as a CA native, I say yes to immigrant students.
I say yes to any culture who is trying to make a better life for their family.
Immigrants are not coming here to commit crimes.

Who would you rather live next door to.... the off spring of Timothy McVeigh or a hard working immigrant??

Good points. Immigrants are not the people destroying our economic system, destroying the enviornment, etc. etal. In some eyes, their crime is wanting a better life for their families, like everyone else. IMHO

Some don't want to face the fact that immigrant children, do far better in school over the long haul than some of us born and raised here. But some don't like the "competition" of really hard work in studies and higher education.

[LisaM22]

wonder how many they could free up if they released those with non-crime drug changes?

[YoYo]

Originally Posted by Suzetta

They were here before us...at least in CA.
And personally, a child of an 'illegal' immigrant would most likely not have the same education level as your child or mine...therefore no competition in the classroom...
As I said earlier, people are only threatened by others who are different if they are intimidated or feel threatened. I don't.

Then maybe you'll accept into your home one of these illegal immigrants the Gov is wanting to release. Let us know how that works out. MO

[LisaM22]

Originally Posted by bowtize

"non-crime" drug charges? Uh, drugs are ILLEGAL, and if they're in prison on drug charges, it IS a crime.

I know what you're trying to say, that some drugs should be legal, etc. But the thing is, right now, they're not. And anyone who possess drugs knows they are breaking the law and subject to the punishment.

yes during prohibition alcohol was illegal too, I was trying to distinguish between people arrested for possession vs people arrested for real crimes while on drugs - the question is, can we afford to keep them in prison, is it worth it, how much could we save releasing them?

[vonna]

Originally Posted by LisaM22

yes during prohibition alcohol was illegal too, I was trying to distinguish between people arrested for possession vs people arrested for real crimes while on drugs - the question is, can we afford to keep them in prison, is it worth it, how much could we save releasing them?

You are so right. To have people occupying prison cells for possessing a small amount of marijuana is a waste of money.

[LisaM22]

Originally Posted by vonna

You are so right. To have people occupying prison cells for possessing a small amount of marijuana is a waste of money.

personaly I dont care if they had a whole fridge of the stuff anymore then I woudl care if a person had a whole fridge of hienikin or something, I don't smoke it and I don't drink it and I do not want my tax dollars going to prohibit it, prohibition doesn't work, it just makes criminals out of non-criminals

[vonna]

Originally Posted by Athena2

If the California Legislature passes Assembly Bill 390, the possession, sale and cultivation of marijuana will become legal in California. The bill would open the door for pot to be taxed, which could produce windfall revenues at a time when governments are struggling to keep finances in tact.

"Certainly the legislature is trying to be creative, but there's got to be other ways than that," Parvin said.

Glancy agreed.

"That's not the way I want to fill our coffers," Glancy said.

Simi Valley Mayor Paul Miller, the city's former chief of police, thinks the proposal to legalize and tax cannabis is "absurd." He said state leaders appear to be doing things "backwards."

http://www.thecamarilloacorn.com/new..._page/002.html

I don't think our legislature is smart enough to do this. But there's always hope.

[LisaM22]

Originally Posted by vonna

I don't think our legislature is smart enough to do this. But there's always hope.

I agree, there is always hope, people probably thought the same about alcohol prohibition at one time and in the end they were right, think republicans would be pushing for less of a nanny government here and CA is run by republicans, so time will tell, democrats are busy trying to ban e-cigarettes and tax cigarettes out of existence, course at a certain price people will just start making their own, lost tax opertunity, so doubt this would pass in a democratic state at this point, heck this could be a fight that get's republicans back on the map and save ca at the same time if they played it right

[vonna]

[quote=Suzetta;13209236]Well as a CA native, I say yes to immigrant students.
I say yes to any culture who is trying to make a better life for their family.
Immigrants are not coming here to commit crimes.


Neither and the question is silly.

[Annie143]

Some don't want to face the fact that immigrant children, do far better in school over the long haul than some of us born and raised here. But some don't like the "competition" of really hard work in studies and higher education.

I know this is redundant but, what a stupid statement. Heck yeah, I am disgusted with the lack of academic aspirations of a lot of American students but, we need to tackle the internal problem not just give away their birthright to a good education criminals. I hate the entitlement attitude of those who broke the law to get into this country or those that support them.

It is not a good Sunday morning. I am at work and not at church or spending it with my grandchildren so.......entitlement is not a good subject today.

Immigrant=fine illegal immigrant=no

[Great Dane]

Originally Posted by theal3

Good points. Immigrants are not the people destroying our economic system, destroying the enviornment, etc. etal. In some eyes, their crime is wanting a better life for their families, like everyone else. IMHO

Some don't want to face the fact that immigrant children, do far better in school over the long haul than some of us born and raised here. But some don't like the "competition" of really hard work in studies and higher education.

What I don't like is the fact that immigrant children eight times out of ten, start at school without knowl. of the English language, require ESL teachers (English as a secong language), they require more time and attention than children that already speak English....taking away from my kid, while I'm fotting the bill....Immigrants aren't paying taxes and therefore aren't paying for their education...ask a teeacher about the difficulties presented when a child that doesn't apeak English, has an issue...unlesss the teacher is multi-lingual, how does this isas get expressed to the parents???

I'm all for hard work and competition, but I think they should stay where they came from...until they can come here "leagally"....

[vonna]

Originally Posted by Lady_Jean_La

There was a news story on the radio this morning. Someone discovered the state had 16,000 phone lines not being used at a cost of 3 million per year. And the Governor is going lay off fire fighters and close parks and yes... release prisoners early.

Par for the course!

[logbump]

Originally Posted by LisaM22

I agree, there is always hope, people probably thought the same about alcohol prohibition at one time and in the end they were right, think republicans would be pushing for less of a nanny government here and CA is run by republicans, so time will tell, democrats are busy trying to ban e-cigarettes and tax cigarettes out of existence, course at a certain price people will just start making their own, lost tax opertunity, so doubt this would pass in a democratic state at this point, heck this could be a fight that get's republicans back on the map and save ca at the same time if they played it right

California is run by Republicans? Link please.