More Far-Right Violence?

[LisaM22]

"More Far-Right Violence? Anti-Immigrant Suspects In Arizona Killing Have Ties To White Supremacists"

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...php#more?ref=n

[Tracian]

Again, I think trying to connect these freaks with 'Far Right Wing' is like connecting radical environmental groups with 'Far Left'

Those terms are counter productive meant to divide our nation rather than unite it.

[Details]

Interesting developments.

I wouldn't call her part of the Minutemen - nor would I call them white supremacists - their goal is stopping illegal immigration, and they expelled her quite awhile ago when they found out what she was about. In another article, a Hate group tracking center director agreed - said she was not part of that group at all, was regarded as a nut by them.

Sounds to me like she's got a very different agenda, and was just looking for anywhere she could recruit people - using the Minuteman name, looking into Aryan Nation - but going to Syria - she's obviously mostly nutjob, partly thug, no doubt some fair bit bigoted racist too.

[Tracian]

Originally Posted by Reform Party

The OP posted FAR. What would make you happier? Extremist element? Is there a difference?

They are not Far Right...they are fanatics. That is the point. I don't know why it is so important to try to use little 'buzz' words.

What as Hilter? Far Right? GMAB. These fanatics are extremists, most of them want to over throw the government, they do not embrace anything from either party.

[flareon]

Originally Posted by Tracian

Again, I think trying to connect these freaks with 'Far Right Wing' is like connecting radical environmental groups with 'Far Left'

Those terms are counter productive meant to divide our nation rather than unite it.

You are exactly right. It is just sheer silliness and tasteless rhetoric to try to compare these people to the far right wing of the Republican party.

If this is the case, then I guess all of the senseless killings done each day in the inner cities is because they feel emboldened because of the victim mentality and unsuccessful welfare programs touted by the far left wing of the Democratic party.

[flareon]

Originally Posted by choco_con

Wow, you really expect to be taken seriously when you call Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh radical elements of "RW extremism" (tm) Yeah, like Joy Behar and Keith Olberman are the radical elements of "LW extremism" (tm)

Riiiiight...wing extremism....its what's for dinner.

LMBO

IMHO

It is amusing. The only reason Coulter and Limbaugh are on their radar screens is because their garbage sources bring them up on a constant basis.

[LisaM22]

Originally Posted by flareon

It is amusing. The only reason Coulter and Limbaugh are on their radar screens is because their garbage sources bring them up on a constant basis.

the right hasn't said a word, they even invited them to their CPAC, Fox has them both on as well

Rush Limbaugh Gives Speech To CPAC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qtvtBGWgBc

[LisaM22]

Originally Posted by Tracian

Again, I think trying to connect these freaks with 'Far Right Wing' is like connecting radical environmental groups with 'Far Left'

Those terms are counter productive meant to divide our nation rather than unite it.

I do not think these fanatics are of the far right, I think it is the tone of the far right that is pushing them over the edge, though some do have far right beliefs, like the pro-life terrorists - it's like calling all muslim extreamists terrorists, that is not true, but they do give the fanatics that extra push they need to kill or terrorize others, they make the fanatics feel like they have a MISSION

[MercedesV]

I think the recent batch of fanatical violence is very frightening. From Dr. Tiller, to the horrid shooting at a recruiting center and of course the horrid shooting at the Holocaust museum.

What I find of great concern, and which isn't getting much attention is two recent episodes which involve different members of the GOP.

From an article one episode:

South Carolina GOP activist and former chairman of the state elections commission Rusty DePass has apologized for saying a gorilla that escaped from a zoo was an "ancestor" of Michelle Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_215439.html

And then another episode:

# E-mail shows U.S. presidents; Obama depicted as white eyes on black background
# It was sent by aide to Diane Black, head of Tennessee Senate Republican Caucus
# Aide says she sent it to "the wrong list of people;" Black says she won't be fired
# Tennessee Democrats call the e-mail "racist smear," call for aide to be fired

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/...ail/index.html

[watcher2005]

Hmm. I'm sure this was all in the past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

[gamma]

Originally Posted by Tracian

They are not Far Right...they are fanatics. That is the point. I don't know why it is so important to try to use little 'buzz' words.

What as Hilter? Far Right? GMAB. These fanatics are extremists, most of them want to over throw the government, they do not embrace anything from either party.

Wrong. They most certainly are Extreme Right Wing Terrorist's. You can give them any of name you wish, but it doesn't mean it's so.

IMO, JMHO

[gamma]

Originally Posted by flareon

It is amusing. The only reason Coulter and Limbaugh are on their radar screens is because their garbage sources bring them up on a constant basis.

There is NOTHING amusing about extreme right wing hatred. Nothing.

JMHO

[gamma]

Originally Posted by choco_con

Wow, you really expect to be taken seriously when you call Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh radical elements of "RW extremism" (tm) Yeah, like Joy Behar and Keith Olberman are the radical elements of "LW extremism" (tm)

Riiiiight...wing extremism....its what's for dinner.

LMBO

IMHO

Wow, you really expect to be taken seriously when you call Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh radical elements of "RW extremism" .

You betcha. We've already had two murders because of the hate and violence they incite. You may think that's OK, but most of the free world does not. JMHO

MO

[LisaM22]

Originally Posted by MercedesV

I think the recent batch of fanatical violence is very frightening. From Dr. Tiller, to the horrid shooting at a recruiting center and of course the horrid shooting at the Holocaust museum.

What I find of great concern, and which isn't getting much attention is two recent episodes which involve different members of the GOP.

From an article one episode:

South Carolina GOP activist and former chairman of the state elections commission Rusty DePass has apologized for saying a gorilla that escaped from a zoo was an "ancestor" of Michelle Obama.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_215439.html

And then another episode:

# E-mail shows U.S. presidents; Obama depicted as white eyes on black background
# It was sent by aide to Diane Black, head of Tennessee Senate Republican Caucus
# Aide says she sent it to "the wrong list of people;" Black says she won't be fired
# Tennessee Democrats call the e-mail "racist smear," call for aide to be fired

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/...ail/index.html

crazy, and these people are supposed to be leaders

[gamma]

Originally Posted by SuzzannaSays

ITA Maybe those running around quoting Limbaugh and Coulter will some day see the light.
And there are some of us who are neither right or left..just somewhere in the middle, but still have utter disdain for those who spout their hatred daily. Their poison little minds are attempting to infect those who can't think for themselves.

Their poisonous little minds have already infected too many extreme right wing terrorist's, IMO. They're bigots who hate everything and everyone except their own agendas.

IMO

Hi Suzz!!

[gamma]

Originally Posted by choco_con

Of course. The fact that Tiller the Killer was a notorious late term abortionist who had been shot at previously and his assasin is a nut case is beside the point. And the murderer at the Holocaust Museum is very unbalanced based on what I have read about him means nothing if you can prove that he had an AM radio.

I betting that the SON of the murderer at the Holocaust Museum knows his Father better than you do. He gave a statement on the National News yesterday that his Father was full of Hate and Evil, and always has been. He also stated he wished his Father had been the one killed instead of the innocent guard [All Paraphrased}.

Therefore, you can spin this any way you want, but the truth will prevail.

IMO

[gamma]

Originally Posted by Athena2

Some apology huh? And the email was obviously sent from work. And how does calling a gorilla an ancestor of MO warrant just a mere apology. Oh these are just plain wrong can't even think of an appropriate adjective

IMO Lisa has made a valid point re: the far right !

Forrester, in his Web posting, said, "Ms. Goforth does not seem to understand what she did wrong. She has apologized for 'sending [the e-mail] to the wrong list of people.' I believe that any list of people would have recognized this e-mail as offensive and hateful."

I can believe that. It's frightening the hate that surrounds us in this country, isn't it? she definitely should be fired. Since when is anyone better than anyone else because of their ethnicity, or religion? Yet, we have many, EVERYWHERE (even on "some" message boards) that actually think that criteria makes the determination of who is better than whom. GMAB! They're so lost.

IMO

[gamma]

Originally Posted by choco_con

And what does that have to do with Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh? The killer at the Holocaust Memorial is 82 years old, neither Coulter nor Limbaugh are even in their 60's. If the killer "was full of Hate and Evil, and always has been", it's quite a stretch to blame either of them for him moral bankruptcy.

IMO

I was responding to your post, remember this:

Originally Posted by choco_con
Of course. The fact that Tiller the Killer was a notorious late term abortionist who had been shot at previously and his assasin is a nut case is beside the point. And the murderer at the Holocaust Museum is very unbalanced based on what I have read about him means nothing if you can prove that he had an AM radio.

Just for the record Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Riley, and many others incite those hateful, evil extreme right wing terrorist's. Understand now?

IMO, JMHO

[gamma]

Originally Posted by SuzzannaSays

Amen to that. It's very revealing when a son wishes his own father dead. Thank goodness his son had the intelligence and the courage to betray the ways of his father.
One son wishes his father dead, the other cries for his dad to be alive.

Hi Gamma

Exactly.

[LisaM22]

Originally Posted by choco_con

Why, are you considering voting for her should she run for National office in the future? If Bill Ayers isn't a terrorist for bombing police offices and the pentagon, why should those who bomb abortion clinics be considered terrorists? Obama doesn't think Ayers is a terrorist, thus using logic, he must also not feel those who bomb abortion clinics are terrorists either.

Bill Ayers was a terrorist imo, he turned his life around, not many terrorist do that, I am surprised he did, guess almost going to prison for life scared him straight, he got very lucky

[theal3]

Originally Posted by LisaM22

Bill Ayers was a terrorist imo, he turned his life around, not many terrorist do that, I am surprised he did, guess almost going to prison for life scared him straight, he got very lucky

He wasn't convicted of anything. Yes he talked the talk and hung out with folks, but in the end. Not convicted. Yes, lucky. Almost like lots of life experiences we've all had when young: almost PG, almost a DUI, almost the Father, almost killed, almost caught, almost divorced, on the edge...... then you turn it around as you get beyond your idealist 20s or 30s? IMHO..... who her are the puritans? IMHO. And Ayers did what he did, when Barack was a toddler. Geeze Louis,,,, didn't Hannity harp on that enough in the last election cycle, which was all last summer and ended last Nov. IMHO

[LisaM22]

Originally Posted by theal3

He wasn't convicted of anything. Yes he talked the talk and hung out with folks, but in the end. Not convicted. Yes, lucky. Almost like lots of life experiences we've all had when young: almost PG, almost a DUI, almost the Father, almost killed, almost caught, almost divorced, on the edge...... then you turn it around as you get beyond your idealist 20s or 30s? IMHO..... who her are the puritans? IMHO. And Ayers did what he did, when Barack was a toddler. Geeze Louis,,,, didn't Hannity harp on that enough in the last election cycle, which was all last summer and ended last Nov. IMHO

yep, some on the right think it justifies terrorism on the right or something

[theal3]

Originally Posted by LisaM22

yep, some on the right think it justifies terrorism on the right or something

The left in extreme, throws stones at property, or blocks a driveway or a business, or hangs from trees to save a neighborhood, or gets on boats to save whales or dolphins, or sets fires to parking lots: not kill people. The left "hate speech" IMHO is about process, or priorities, or the enviorenment, or animals, or science, or for peace.....or justice or equality..... the right does bad things about other peoples behavior or habits or jokes, or art, or movies, and are always anti government, and they want to get elected and run for office? It's so nutty. IMHO

[magythekat]

Originally Posted by LisaM22

"More Far-Right Violence? Anti-Immigrant Suspects In Arizona Killing Have Ties To White Supremacists"

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...php#more?ref=n

Sooo? What else is new? We all know how crazy the white supremacists are? What does this have to do with the price of eggs in China?

[magythekat]

Originally Posted by Tracian

Again, I think trying to connect these freaks with 'Far Right Wing' is like connecting radical environmental groups with 'Far Left'

Those terms are counter productive meant to divide our nation rather than unite it.

Kudos Tracian...spoken like a true American patriot! Bright Blessing to you dear.

[momof6]

Are some of you people saying only far right wingers cause some to go off?

Where does that leave the far left? I haven't seen them mentioned. Like ELF, PETA, Code Pink, or what about Ayers and his left wing bombers (home terrorist). And I do believe Tiller was far left. He got payed big bucks to dismember live innocent babies.


The lady that helped kill these people sounds nutty. The man that killed the soldier recently, stated that he thought his killing was justified because our soldiers are killing muslims.

We can throw out names all day of who is stirring what pot and we would have a lot of names on the list. It all boils down to choice. A person can choose to kill or not. Or a person can try to change things they don't like peacefully.

[YoYo]

Originally Posted by momof6

Are some of you people saying only far right wingers cause some to go off?

Where does that leave the far left? I haven't seen them mentioned. Like ELF, PETA, Code Pink, or what about Ayers and his left wing bombers (home terrorist). And I do believe Tiller was far left. He got payed big bucks to dismember live innocent babies.


The lady that helped kill these people sounds nutty. The man that killed the soldier recently, stated that he thought his killing was justified because our soldiers are killing muslims.

We can throw out names all day of who is stirring what pot and we would have a lot of names on the list. It all boils down to choice. A person can choose to kill or not. Or a person can try to change things they don't like peacefully.

Excellent post.

[Tracian]

Originally Posted by theal3

The left in extreme, throws stones at property, or blocks a driveway or a business, or hangs from trees to save a neighborhood, or gets on boats to save whales or dolphins, or sets fires to parking lots: not kill people. The left "hate speech" IMHO is about process, or priorities, or the enviorenment, or animals, or science, or for peace.....or justice or equality..... the right does bad things about other peoples behavior or habits or jokes, or art, or movies, and are always anti government, and they want to get elected and run for office? It's so nutty. IMHO

That is not always true. The extreme eco-terrorists also spike trees that cause injury to workers, they have fire bombed labs, they have vandalised property.


http://science.howstuffworks.com/eco....htm/printable


Now, I am against clear cutting, I am against animal testing and furs. I do not consider these people extreme left, I consider them criminals that think the end justifies the means.

Why I object to calling racists 'extreme right wing' is because these people (using the term loosely) are against everyone, including several that are members of the GOP. They are not radical right wing, they are bigots, that would turn on the Republican Party just as fast as they would turn on the Democrats.

For instance:

The right is basically Pro Life---
Many Catholics are also Pro Life--

Most White Supremacist groups are against Catholics; even though they share a common thread in the issue of Pro Life.

[Tracian]

Originally Posted by benwatchin

Many people feel the same way about the dangerous rantings of glenn, ann and rush.

I watch Glenn Beck on occasion, because I personally like to hear both sides of an issue, and I enjoy the times Penn is on the show. The other two...not interested at all.

Just because a show has 'ratings' it does not mean that everyone that watches is in complete agreement with the comments or thoughts that person is offering.

[Tracian]

Originally Posted by magythekat

Kudos Tracian...spoken like a true American patriot! Bright Blessing to you dear.

Thank you for the kind words. It is my opinion if we (as a society) continue to demonize the opposing party, no matter who is the President, nothing will be accomplished.

There is many positive things that both parties can bring to our country, I don't understand the constant focus on only the negative areas, real or hyperbole.

[flareon]

Originally Posted by choco_con

I don't think terrorism of any kind is acceptable. Whether it be the bombing of a police station or abortion clinic. I don't associate with either, regardless of whether they bombed an abortion clinic when I was 5 or not. Its called being principled. It's a shame more people don't expect that in their politicians.

IMO

You are exactly right, but many people's ethics and values are determined by the letter behind the name or if they can wring some value out of the relationship.

[watcher2005]

Originally Posted by flareon

You are exactly right, but many people's ethics and values are determined by the letter behind the name or if they can wring some value out of the relationship.

People tolerated things from Bush that they would have complained about under Clinton. People are giving Obama a pass for things that were complained about under Bush.

[daniel green]

Originally Posted by LisaM22

"More Far-Right Violence? Anti-Immigrant Suspects In Arizona Killing Have Ties To White Supremacists"

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...php#more?ref=n

Horrible. Just horrible.

[jubal]

It appears that the left truly believes that everything bad that has ever happened and IS happening in this country is the fault of the right.

So does that mean that every left wing president just hid in a closet and did nothing? It sure sounds that way. Wow, with a track record like that we really shouldn't have too high of expectations for the current left wing president now should we.

[LisaM22]

Originally Posted by watcher2005

People tolerated things from Bush that they would have complained about under Clinton. People are giving Obama a pass for things that were complained about under Bush.

yep, the right wanted things Bush offered, a move towards a theocracy being a big one and were willing to ignore the small stuff and sadly latter the big stuff

with democrats you already see people speaking out against Obama when they do not approve, had republicans done this during the last 8 years they would of had more respect now

I mean, how could people defend palin's saying she did not think those that terrorize doctors are terrorists, how? its simple, they are anti-choice and if they attacked Palin for it, then they believe they would be supporting choice

[Tracian]

Originally Posted by georgejanes

Sure they're part of the subject. They have played a major role in inciting the Extreme Right Wing Terrorist's.

JMO

I am not a fan of any mentioned, but IMO, to imply or blame them for the actions of lunatics, is like blaming the dog that Son of Sam claimed ordered him to kill.

[LisaM22]

Originally Posted by jubal

It appears that the left truly believes that everything bad that has ever happened and IS happening in this country is the fault of the right.

So does that mean that every left wing president just hid in a closet and did nothing? It sure sounds that way. Wow, with a track record like that we really shouldn't have too high of expectations for the current left wing president now should we.

not true at all, republicans have done a lot of great things for this country before the religious right took them over, i wish they could take back over their party again, be nice to have two parties to choose from again - the Bush Admin cause many problems, no doubt about that, Obama has to clean that up sadly, i think republicans should try and help clean up the mess

[Tracian]

Originally Posted by LisaM22

yep, the right wanted things Bush offered, a move towards a theocracy being a big one and were willing to ignore the small stuff and sadly latter the big stuff

with democrats you already see people speaking out against Obama when they do not approve, had republicans done this during the last 8 years they would of had more respect now

I mean, how could people defend palin's saying she did not think those that terrorize doctors are terrorists, how? its simple, they are anti-choice and if they attacked Palin for it, then they believe they would be supporting choice

Many Republicans have left the party because of Bush's policies; but remain with the core beliefs of the conservative party; Obama did not win the election on the Democratic vote exclusively.

[LisaM22]

Originally Posted by Tracian

Many Republicans have left the party because of Bush's policies; but remain with the core beliefs of the conservative party; Obama did not win the election on the Democratic vote exclusively.

that is true, when I said republicans, I meant the current main stream republicans, not the true republicans that had more conservative views, not many in power like that anymore

[Tracian]

Originally Posted by LisaM22

that is true, when I said republicans, I meant the current main stream republicans, not the true republicans that had more conservative views, not many in power like that anymore

Honestly, I don't think there are many main stream republicans, one of the corner stones of the republican party is small government; and that was lost over the last eight years.

The party does need to go back to the basics and rebuild.