Sunday, May 31st 2009 #1

aproudmom · #1 05-31-2009, 06:29 AM

Morning everyone hope everyone had a wonderful weekend

hope I did this right this is only my second time

shadowdiana · #2 05-31-2009, 06:48 AM

Have a good sleep aproudmom!

Thanks for starting a new thread!

aproudmom · #3 05-31-2009, 06:51 AM

I have a question I keep hearing on JVM and HLN that Lyons is known to cry in front of the jurors now if true why can families not show any emotion during a trial or verdict or they are ask to leave the courtroom I have seen it many times on the live trials

aproudmom · #4 05-31-2009, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowdiana

Have a good sleep aproudmom!

Thanks for starting a new thread!

your welcome shadow have a wonderful day

shadowdiana · #5 05-31-2009, 07:07 AM

I think the crying is an act..very staged....
I am surprised it is allowed by the court, if true

damienstoy · #6 05-31-2009, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowdiana

I think the crying is an act..very staged....
I am surprised it is allowed by the court, if true

It may not be allowed in the Florida courts. Chicago and Florida are worlds apart on that sort of thing, I believe.

aproudmom · #7 05-31-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowdiana

I think the crying is an act..very staged....
I am surprised it is allowed by the court, if true

you think so well Lisa Bloom seems to think she is just so against the DP and it is not a act..lol.

aproudmom · #8 05-31-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by damienstoy

It may not be allowed in the Florida courts. Chicago and Florida are worlds apart on that sort of thing, I believe.

see I just go by the trials I have watched and I knew when I went to the trial for 2 teens killed by a drunk they told us no emotion at all and that was in Indiana so maybe it is different in some courts I just wondered since it is being brought up so much

aproudmom · #9 05-31-2009, 08:09 AM

anyone know if the KFN has offered thier help in the search for little Nevaeh B. who is missing in Michigan they have been searching alot of water areas maybe the boat could be of use..or do they only work in the FL area..lol

Scampi · #10 05-31-2009, 08:14 AM

Good morning everyone! Great job on the new thread Ma.

I think Andrea Lyon gets emotional because she is fighting to save a defendant's life, she is dead set against the death penalty. I do not think it is manipulation or an act.

At any rate, in reading her words about exactly how an attorney should go about defending a DP case, I have learned that she will try
and get the perp to plea.

I think that will be her first move with the OC. If she can pry jose away from anthony, long enough to gain her trust, she may just be able to make the OC see her legal predicament.

As she is doing this, she will file a motion pointing out why the State was wrong is seeking death in this case. I am anxiously awaiting this motion, because I think it will be very revealing as to how Lyon intends to defend the OC.

aproudmom · #11 05-31-2009, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Scampi

Good morning everyone! Great job on the new thread Ma.

I think Andrea Lyon gets emotional because she is fighting to save a defendant's life, she is dead set against the death penalty. I do not think it is manipulation or an act.

At any rate, in reading her words about exactly how an attorney should go about defending a DP case, I have learned that she will try
and get the perp to plea.

I think that will be her first move with the OC. If she can pry jose away from anthony, long enough to gain her trust, she may just be able to make the OC see her legal predicament.

As she is doing this, she will file a motion pointing out why the State was wrong is seeking death in this case. I am anxiously awaiting this motion, because I think it will be very revealing as to how Lyon intends to defend the OC.

Morning Scampi
I have heard that it was because her strong feelings on the DP so just wondered and I am awaiting to see just how much control JB will give up..IMO she should push for a plea as long as it is LWOP I am just not sure KC will do that I mean she is now saying if she get death she will kill herself before they give her the needle..I guess we shall see...lol

Scampi · #12 05-31-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by aproudmom

Morning Scampi
I have heard that it was because her strong feelings on the DP so just wondered and I am awaiting to see just how much control JB will give up..IMO she should push for a plea as long as it is LWOP I am just not sure KC will do that I mean she is now saying if she get death she will kill herself before they give her the needle..I guess we shall see...lol

I agree with you Ma, it has to be LWOP, the State would not accept anything less, imo. I'm sure Lyon understands this, she is very experienced.

I doubt the OC will accept any plea tho, this evil female will never admit to murdering Caylee. Lyon has to present that option to her tho and once the OC refuses it, then Lyon can proceed in her defense.

imo

cassidy · #13 05-31-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Scampi

Good morning everyone! Great job on the new thread Ma.

I think Andrea Lyon gets emotional because she is fighting to save a defendant's life, she is dead set against the death penalty. I do not think it is manipulation or an act.

At any rate, in reading her words about exactly how an attorney should go about defending a DP case, I have learned that she will try
and get the perp to plea.

I think that will be her first move with the OC. If she can pry jose away from anthony, long enough to gain her trust, she may just be able to make the OC see her legal predicament.

As she is doing this, she will file a motion pointing out why the State was wrong is seeking death in this case. I am anxiously awaiting this motion, because I think it will be very revealing as to how Lyon intends to defend the OC.

I wonder if she ever takes a moment and weeps for the victim who never had the chance to choose between life and death? I understand what she is doing, but sometimes it just makes me angry and sad at the same time.

JMO

Bala · #14 05-31-2009, 09:13 AM

I think Lyon will tell Casey that the nanny defense just won't float and that they have no where else to go because there's no way to keep it out after she gave a statement about it. No matter what defense they come up with the detectives will testify about Zanny. I believe even ZG is scheduled to testify. I'm wondering if Baez will allow Lyon's to have any alone time with Casey for fear of what will happen if she ever realizes the corner he helped her back herself into. Baez is counting on HIS day in court.

Steps · #15 05-31-2009, 09:20 AM

Has it ever been stated by the defense that Lyon is now acting as "first chair"? I can't imagine she is the type that would take a back seat behind Biaz. Could be it was her condition for getting on board?

ellegna · #16 05-31-2009, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Scampi

Good morning everyone! Great job on the new thread Ma.

I think Andrea Lyon gets emotional because she is fighting to save a defendant's life, she is dead set against the death penalty. I do not think it is manipulation or an act.

At any rate, in reading her words about exactly how an attorney should go about defending a DP case, I have learned that she will try
and get the perp to plea.

I think that will be her first move with the OC. If she can pry jose away from anthony, long enough to gain her trust, she may just be able to make the OC see her legal predicament.

As she is doing this, she will file a motion pointing out why the State was wrong is seeking death in this case. I am anxiously awaiting this motion, because I think it will be very revealing as to how Lyon intends to defend the OC.

Good morning Scampi and all

my bold

I disagree. From what I've read and heard so far about Lyon, I get the impression she a no nonsense individual.
IMO...Lyon will not try to pry OC from JB. She will sever any contact between JB and Casey. If Lyon has a game plan, I'm sure she wouldn't want JB interfering.

Lyon will not waste time trying to gain Casey's trust. Lyon will cut to the chase and give Casey a large dose of you are in very serious trouble reality. I can just picture Lyon demand Casey to start telling the truth now because if I don't believe you, neither will the jury.

I do agree Lyon's objective is to get Casey to take a plea.

aproudmom · #17 05-31-2009, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Scampi

I agree with you Ma, it has to be LWOP, the State would not accept anything less, imo. I'm sure Lyon understands this, she is very experienced.

I doubt the OC will accept any plea tho, this evil female will never admit to murdering Caylee. Lyon has to present that option to her tho and once the OC refuses it, then Lyon can proceed in her defense.

imo

I wish for once she would listen but doubt it.. I have not heard bad things about this lawyer so I think the O KC should think about what this lawyer tells her..it is her best bet of getting off with LWOP I just hope Lyons can get BOZO to wake up

ellegna · #18 05-31-2009, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Steps

Has it ever been stated by the defense that Lyon is now acting as "first chair"? I can't imagine she is the type that would take a back seat behind Biaz. Could be it was her condition for getting on board?

Lyon is a DP qualified lawyer so she now becomes first chair. JB will take the back seat.

AMS · #19 05-31-2009, 09:30 AM

Good morning everyone -

Does anyone know how to access the list of people who have visited the OC? I would like to see if Lyon has visited yet.

Thanks.

imo

aproudmom · #20 05-31-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bala

I think Lyon will tell Casey that the nanny defense just won't float and that they have no where else to go because there's no way to keep it out after she gave a statement about it. No matter what defense they come up with the detectives will testify about Zanny. I believe even ZG is scheduled to testify. I'm wondering if Baez will allow Lyon's to have any alone time with Casey for fear of what will happen if she ever realizes the corner he helped her back herself into. Baez is counting on HIS day in court.

I am not sure I hear different things on the news one says she will do the penalty phase and then it changes so I would like to know the same thing..

SandyO · #21 05-31-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ellegna

Good morning Scampi and all

my bold

I disagree. From what I've read and heard so far about Lyon, I get the impression she a no nonsense individual.
IMO...Lyon will not try to pry OC from JB. She will sever any contact between JB and Casey. If Lyon has a game plan, I'm sure she wouldn't want JB interfering.

Lyon will not waste time trying to gain Casey's trust. Lyon will cut to the chase and give Casey a large dose of you are in very serious trouble reality. I can just picture Lyon demand Casey to start telling the truth now because if I don't believe you, neither will the jury.

I do agree Lyon's objective is to get Casey to take a plea.

Lyon, powerhouse that she is, is in for a wake up call when she confronts Casey. Casey isn't cowed by anyone, and Lyon will have her hands full. Even if she really is able to get through to Casey about a plea arrangement, isn't it up to the State's Attorney to agree to that?

aproudmom · #22 05-31-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ellegna

Lyon is a DP qualified lawyer so she now becomes first chair. JB will take the back seat.

Really? ok did not know that just thought she had to have a DP lawyer did not know they got the first chair..heck before it is over we will see 20 chairs of lawyers...

Scampi · #23 05-31-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ellegna

Good morning Scampi and all

my bold

I disagree. From what I've read and heard so far about Lyon, I get the impression she a no nonsense individual.
IMO...Lyon will not try to pry OC from JB. She will sever any contact between JB and Casey. If Lyon has a game plan, I'm sure she wouldn't want JB interfering.

Lyon will not waste time trying to gain Casey's trust. Lyon will cut to the chase and give Casey a large dose of you are in very serious trouble reality. I can just picture Lyon demand Casey to start telling the truth now because if I don't believe you, neither will the jury.

I do agree Lyon's objective is to get Casey to take a plea.

Morning Canada!!

Moonie gave us this great link yesterday, in it Lyon tells us exactly what a defense attorney should do in defending someone facing the DP. Very interesting reading.

http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/...2006/DDEFE.pdf

I agree with you, Lyon will be running this case, but something tells me baez will be kept on and given busy work to keep him out of everyone's hair.......lol.

Bala · #24 05-31-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Steps

Has it ever been stated by the defense that Lyon is now acting as "first chair"? I can't imagine she is the type that would take a back seat behind Biaz. Could be it was her condition for getting on board?

I have been trying to find this out for days. I'm wondering how much control she will have over JB as well. I read one report that called her the lead attorney but she said she was co-council. Someone has to be in charge.

aproudmom · #25 05-31-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SandyO

Lyon, powerhouse that she is, is in for a wake up call when she confronts Casey. Casey isn't cowed by anyone, and Lyon will have her hands full. Even if she really is able to get through to Casey about a plea arrangement, isn't it up to the State's Attorney to agree to that?

yeah it would be but I really think if she would plea to LWOP they would take it..could be wrong but I think so..

Explorer · #26 05-31-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by cassidy

I wonder if she ever takes a moment and weeps for the victim who never had the chance to choose between life and death? I understand what she is doing, but sometimes it just makes me angry and sad at the same time.

JMO

I agree with you. What about the victims. Oh thats right they are no longer with us and cant say anything or show their emotions when their life was taken from them at the hands of lunitics. I cry only for the victims.

SandyO · #27 05-31-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by aproudmom

yeah it would be but I really think if she would plea to LWOP they would take it..could be wrong but I think so..

I think so too, if for no other reason than the money it would save the State of Florida.

aproudmom · #28 05-31-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by AMS

Good morning everyone -

Does anyone know how to access the list of people who have visited the OC? I would like to see if Lyon has visited yet.

Thanks.

imo

sorry AMS darn that NG she has not had her menu and visitors and money in her account and what goodies she is buying for awhile..so I have no clue how to find it..lol..

Scampi · #29 05-31-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Steps

Has it ever been stated by the defense that Lyon is now acting as "first chair"? I can't imagine she is the type that would take a back seat behind Biaz. Could be it was her condition for getting on board?

Welcome Steps. Yes, Lyon addresses it in this pc on the courthouse steps. My favorite video of all time so far, Kathy Belich is magnificent in it. baez talks his usual gibberish and Andrea Lyons shows us how an attorney should deal with the press, imo.

http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

aproudmom · #30 05-31-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SandyO

I think so too, if for no other reason than the money it would save the State of Florida.

ITA and I would be fine with hearing LWOP

Explorer · #31 05-31-2009, 09:40 AM

I think the DP lawyer has a pretty good gig going on. She has support from all the DP opponents. Some sing her praises. Im not buying it.

aproudmom · #32 05-31-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Scampi

Welcome Steps. Yes, Lyon addresses it in this pc on the courthouse steps. My favorite video of all time so far, Kathy Belich is magnificent in it. baez talks his usual gibberish and Andrea Lyons shows us how an attorney should deal with the press, imo.

http://www.wftv.com/video/19591538/index.html

OMG ITA with you worth watching it again

Explorer · #33 05-31-2009, 09:42 AM

Ill never forget when one victims family member said that they were always death penalty opponents until now. That was the Oklahoma bombings.

SandyO · #34 05-31-2009, 09:42 AM

I can just picture the look on Lyon's face after her first in depth meeting with Casey. It will astound her, how fast and easily Casey can pitch the lies and then swear to them. Lyon will have to be considering some kind of a mental defect defense after coming face-to-face with Casey.

ellegna · #35 05-31-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Scampi

Morning Canada!!

Moonie gave us this great link yesterday, in it Lyon tells us exactly what a defense attorney should do in defending someone facing the DP. Very interesting reading.

http://www.wisspd.org/html/training/...2006/DDEFE.pdf

I agree with you, Lyon will be running this case, but something tells me baez will be kept on and given busy work to keep him out of everyone's hair.......lol.

JB definitely will be kept on. He's probably going to end up as the gopher

Scampi · #36 05-31-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bala

I have been trying to find this out for days. I'm wondering how much control she will have over JB as well. I read one report that called her the lead attorney but she said she was co-council. Someone has to be in charge.

Bala, see the video I just posted. By Florida law, Lyon is the first chair lead attorney. In the video she says that, but then goes on to explain she is an equal member of the "team." IMO, that was to placate the ego sensitive jose baez, who was standing next to her.

Don't anyone be fooled, Andrea Lyon is running this case, not the incompetent baez, imo.

msgatorslayer · #37 05-31-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ellegna

Lyon is a DP qualified lawyer so she now becomes first chair. JB will take the back seat.

G'morning! Yes, in her interview after the hearing the other day she said that she is listed as 'lead attorney' but prefers to call herself, IIRC, a member of the team.

She is in the drivers seat. Even if she is using carefully chosen words like what she used above to minimize her position. The law looks at her, as being the one that knows what she's doing, lol. Bet Baez just loves that.

Scampi · #38 05-31-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ellegna

JB definitely will be kept on. He's probably going to end up as the gopher

I absolutely agree. Afterall, coffee has to be made, cynthia must be kept in gum and water. His duties are endless.................lol.

Explorer · #39 05-31-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SandyO

I can just picture the look on Lyon's face after her first in depth meeting with Casey. It will astound her, how fast and easily Casey can pitch the lies and then swear to them. Lyon will have to be considering some kind of a mental defect defense after coming face-to-face with Casey.

Maybe will really upset her. I think this case with all its attention about the DP is going to be the case of the century. Hold on to your hats! This case is only going to get bigger.

Scampi · #40 05-31-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by msgatorslayer

G'morning! Yes, in her interview after the hearing the other day she said that she is listed as 'lead attorney' but prefers to call herself, IIRC, a member of the team.

She is in the drivers seat. Even if she is using carefully chosen words like what she used above to minimize her position. The law looks at her, as being the one that knows what she's doing, lol. Bet Baez just loves that.

Morning Gator!! Oh, I'm sure macho man is just thrilled to have two women telling him how this case will proceed.