Phil Spector gets 19 years to life for murder of actress

DeeN · #1 05-29-2009, 05:15 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/29/...ing/index.html

CHITCHAT · #2 05-29-2009, 06:09 PM

Finally Justic is done...Couldnt happen to a more deserving guy...
He came from a family with mental issues..he should have, and could have gotten help years ago...

Adalena935 · #3 05-29-2009, 07:50 PM

It is just. If society has any luck at all going for it'self, he'll die in prison and never walk free among reasonable people again. I liked the quote at the link from the judge disallowing him to be free on bail pending today's sentencing, citing what he rightly called his years-long pattern of violence with firearms. What an awful little man. (my opinion)

I so feel for her family and keep them in my prayers.

RootBeer · #4 05-29-2009, 08:49 PM

My only wish is that they would of found him guilty without having to use the PBA witnesses. It would of been a more interesting (and shorter) trial with without them. I would of like to see them prove it on the facts of this single episode, instead of him being judged on his past actions of 30 or so years.

But the law has spoken, and he will serve his time, unless he gets and wins an appeal.

vonna · #5 05-29-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RootBeer

My only wish is that they would of found him guilty without having to use the PBA witnesses. It would of been a more interesting (and shorter) trial with without them. I would of like to see them prove it on the facts of this single episode, instead of him being judged on his past actions of 30 or so years.

But the law has spoken, and he will serve his time, unless he gets and wins an appeal.

A pattern of behavior is important and that is why it is recognized in law. That's like asking AJ to win a foot race with one foot in a cast.

Anakerie · #6 05-29-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesb68

bet he wishes he would of gave up the guns or the booze, one or the other - jmho

I doubt if he wishes that at all... I think he is more likely wishing that his "regular" driver/body guard had been on duty that fateful morning rather than the honest man who called 911, Adriano De Souza.

vonna · #7 05-29-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Anakerie

I doubt if he wishes that at all... I think he is more likely wishing that his "regular" driver/body guard had been on duty that fateful morning rather than the honest man who called 911, Adriano De Souza.

I completely agree with you. Spector doesn't strike me as a person to even consider introspection.

NotAgain · #8 05-29-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Anakerie

I doubt if he wishes that at all... I think he is more likely wishing that his "regular" driver/body guard had been on duty that fateful morning rather than the honest man who called 911, Adriano De Souza.

i think you are right

NotAgain · #9 05-29-2009, 10:33 PM

why would he want transferred to a state facility so quickly?

vonna · #10 05-29-2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NotAgain

why would he want transferred to a state facility so quickly?

I'd guess because he believes conditions are better in prison.

kennedy06 · #11 05-29-2009, 10:41 PM

Hi guys, I guess we are all winding down from the day. Well we can see it through with the talk radio show. Apparently Sprocket will be on tonight and another guest, Linda.

http://www.talkradioone.com/

Anakerie · #12 05-29-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NotAgain

why would he want transferred to a state facility so quickly?

I wonder about that as well...

I just heard on my local news station (KCRA 3 in Sacramento) that one of Weinberg's comments about Phil in prison is that he is concerned that Phil is a "high profile" prisoner and needs special treatment in whatever facility he goes to.

My question is: How many guys in prison would even know who that little old man is when he climbs out of the van or bus?

My answer to my question: Not very many at all.. He's going to look like just a little old man with shaky hands... No more flashy suits, no more outrageous wigs, no more body guards, no more trial bride helping him walk. Wherever the system decides to put Phil once he gets through the intake process, his basic needs will be provided for. Special treatment? No, Doron, he won't be getting anything that any other prisoner wouldn't get. Your client is not special.

ETA: Harriet Ryan's article in the LA Times gives a reason for the "rush" to get out of jail and into a prison:

Spector's lawyer said his client was focused on his appeal and eager to get through with the sentencing so he could move to a prison facility nicer than the jail where he has been held since the conviction.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,1540646.story

Ok, I'm giggling now... Phil thinks that prison is going to be "nicer" than the jail?

kennedy06 · #13 05-29-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NotAgain

why would he want transferred to a state facility so quickly?

Sort of weird to think of PS on a prison bus. I wonder if he is there yet? I have a prison nearby but they are usually in these really nice white vans, but it is a federal prison so....

True2Blues · #14 05-29-2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Anakerie

I wonder about that as well...

I just heard on my local news station (KCRA 3 in Sacramento) that one of Weinberg's comments about Phil in prison is that he is concerned that Phil is a "high profile" prisoner and needs special treatment in whatever facility he goes to.

My question is: How many guys in prison would even know who that little old man is when he climbs out of the van or bus?

My answer to my question: Not very many at all.. He's going to look like just a little old man with shaky hands... No more flashy suits, no more outrageous wigs, no more body guards, no more trial bride helping him walk. Wherever the system decides to put Phil once he gets through the intake process, his basic needs will be provided for. Special treatment? No, Doron, he won't be getting anything that any other prisoner wouldn't get. Your client is not special.

You're right, PS is just another murderer, but he thinks he's special and will be treated as special once he's settled in prison. I think DW has PS convinced that he'll have a private suit, and get waited on, be given special privileges, etc.

One of the first things they're probably going to do is have prison doctors examine him physically and mentally and some of those medicines will more than likely be taken away from him. After that, hopefully he will become aware of the time as it ticks away while he sits behind bars.

vonna · #15 05-29-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NavyMom58

I have to wonder...If PS and his lawyers think there is a good appeal...Why did they have those checks ready to pay restitution?

That's a good question, NM. Good night.

kennedy06 · #16 05-29-2009, 11:00 PM

Nicer, is there a new State prison in CA where he could be going??

True2Blues · #17 05-29-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NavyMom58

I have to wonder...If PS and his lawyers think there is a good appeal...Why did they have those checks ready to pay restitution?

That was interesting, wasn't it?

warhorse46 · #18 05-29-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RootBeer

My only wish is that they would of found him guilty without having to use the PBA witnesses. It would of been a more interesting (and shorter) trial with without them. I would of like to see them prove it on the facts of this single episode, instead of him being judged on his past actions of 30 or so years.

But the law has spoken, and he will serve his time, unless he gets and wins an appeal.

Why? PBAs are perfectly legal tools to show a pattern of behavior over a period of time & how said behavior escalated into the crime the defendant is on trial for. The PBAs were only one part of the entire case against PS, one part of the puzzle.

sunstar · #19 05-29-2009, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Anakerie

I doubt if he wishes that at all... I think he is more likely wishing that his "regular" driver/body guard had been on duty that fateful morning rather than the honest man who called 911, Adriano De Souza.

I too am positive he has wished that since Day One. And thankfully, Adriano was there and is an honest man.

MOO

sunstar · #20 05-29-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by NavyMom58

I have to wonder...If PS and his lawyers think there is a good appeal...Why did they have those checks ready to pay restitution?

Anticipating it would be the Judge's order and to make himself look good. MOO

dref99 · #21 05-30-2009, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kennedy06

Hi guys, I guess we are all winding down from the day. Well we can see it through with the talk radio show. Apparently Sprocket will be on tonight and another guest, Linda.

http://www.talkradioone.com/

Many thanks kennedy - should be on just about now

True2Blues · #22 05-30-2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sunstar

Anticipating it would be the Judge's order and to make himself look good. MOO

It didn't work! He still looked like the same murderer to me, just one aware that he owed restitution.

Themis · #23 05-30-2009, 12:38 AM

While Spector is expected to serve his time in a California state prison the link below from National Geographic on a prison in Georgia is interesting. At least it was to me; learned some new stuff.

There are several short videos available, some still pictures, and a close-up 360° view of a typical cell.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...ew15#tab-About

Let's all hope there is no way, no acceptable justification for defense attorneys to get Spector transferred to a 'nicer' federal prison in California or a prison in another state with 'nicer digs' -- such as one in New York where his daughter lives.

[JMO * Themis]

dref99 · #24 05-30-2009, 12:38 AM

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Many thanks kennedy - should be on just about now

Just to quote myself - Louis and Gary Spector are on talk radio also

http://www.talkradioone.com/

Jayne · #25 05-30-2009, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by NotAgain

why would he want transferred to a state facility so quickly?

to get him assessed as soon as possible, in the interim..which they have to do?

jmo

J

Jayne · #26 05-30-2009, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sunstar

Anticipating it would be the Judge's order and to make himself look good. MOO

yes..plus it has to be done..regardless..best to get it out of the way..nothing holding up the assessment and sending him to the appropriate facility?

Jayne · #27 05-30-2009, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Court Jester

I believe that it is part of the proceedings for the "People" to put that forth - whether it can be paid or not. The Court also puts forth their various fines and fees at this time - as we saw Judge Fidler do.

It is either agreed to with payment forthcoming or transacted on the spot.

Jayne - where are you? Is this right?

CJ

yes...no more comment!

jmo

J

PS..you KNOW where I am!!!

kennedy06 · #28 05-30-2009, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dref99

Just to quote myself - Louis and Gary Spector are on talk radio also

http://www.talkradioone.com/

Thank you, I think everyone did a nice job on the talk show last night.

aproudmom · #29 05-30-2009, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DeeN

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/29/...ing/index.html

about time

aproudmom · #30 05-30-2009, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by vonna

I'd guess because he believes conditions are better in prison.

they are prisoners cant wait to get out of those county jails..bye bye PS

Steps · #31 05-30-2009, 08:47 AM

I'm a new poster, but have been a lurker since Spector I. I want to congratulate Allan Jackson and the rest of the staff on his conviction. He was amazing to watch during the first trial. Thankfully Lana's family and friends can start to put these ugly criminal trials behind them and know that the horrible man that did this to Lana is now recieving his just punishment. Also thanks to Sprocket for all of her fine reporting. This lady is amazing!!

vonna · #32 05-30-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dianna

Thank you Kennedy for providing us this link. This was an exceptionally good show last night. We are able to hear from Lewis and Gary and I was able to get more of an insight just where they are coming from.
This whole incident, trials, verdicts, sentence and the personal life of Phil Spectors sons is an eye opener. They were able to take us into their lives while living with their father and a closer understanding why they feel the way they do about him today.
I hope they will get what they want From their father Phil Spector some day. Recognition. Whether it be negative or positive. This is what they want.Something I heard in their conversation was wanting to be able to sit sown on a one to one basis with their father and visit and talk without anyone interfering. No one to interpret to Spector what they mean when they say something or a motive. (is how I myself interpreted it) Also, to be alone with him and allow Phil Spector to think for himself and not have others think for him.
This was all so sad and I wouldn't want any of what I heard to happen to any child/Adult.
One thing that was said that I found interesting is when Lewis said there is two Spectors. Phillip Spector and "Harvey" Phillip Spector.

JMO

I don't like either one of them.

kellabeck · #33 05-30-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Themis

While Spector is expected to serve his time in a California state prison the link below from National Geographic on a prison in Georgia is interesting. At least it was to me; learned some new stuff.

There are several short videos available, some still pictures, and a close-up 360° view of a typical cell.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...ew15#tab-About

Let's all hope there is no way, no acceptable justification for defense attorneys to get Spector transferred to a 'nicer' federal prison in California or a prison in another state with 'nicer digs' -- such as one in New York where his daughter lives.

[JMO * Themis]

Since he was convicted in a California state court of a state crime, why on earth would he be transferred to a state prison of another state? That makes no sense to me at all.

Further -- of no sense is any notion of grounds for appeal of this conviction. Ineffective assistance of counsel? Laughable. Use of pattern and practice witnesses? Judge Fidler was on solid ground with them. So try as they might, I can't imagine what creative argument would gain a reversal and/or new trial with such an extensive record of not one, but two, trials done is scrupulous fashion.

IIRC, Fidler has a very low record of reversal. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

nsm · #34 05-30-2009, 11:38 AM

is there a booking picture? Would love to see him without that stupid wig (wigs)...

dref99 · #35 05-30-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by vonna

I don't like either one of them.

Sometimes we agree, sometimes not - but this time I would maybe say things differently but we agree.

I liked some of the radio show last night but was disappointed with the comments about poor sick old Phil. We really have no idea how real was his "frail" appearance through the trial. He has been able to afford the benefits of the best of medicine and medications throughout most of his life, so there is no real reason that he should have become so frail in just a few years. If he has, then I still do not see it as a reason to "forgive" his past actions - perhaps others see it differently.

I believe little of what Rachelle said - I do think she kept her side of the marriage bargain, but have difficulty believing her main life's goal will now be to have him set free. Consequently she seemed to receive unwarranted support on the show.

It was nice to hear from Gary & Louis but I find it unlikely that they will ever have a relationship again with Phil. I am amazed that they are still committed to him having been treated as they were. I'm sure I could not be so kind or forgiving.

Perhaps the interest in this trial is because the event of 2003 was so very pointless. It was a murder for which there was truly no reason or motive. It should never have happened. Common sense dictates it should have evolved into a confession and a plea deal & the man may even have emerged with some type of a reputation remaining. His decision to accuse Lana of commiting suicide and causing all his problems, was the mistake he made that nothing can now overcome.

jmo

kennedy06 · #36 05-30-2009, 12:56 PM

Its funny you said that dreff a couple of older males I know, seen him on tv and said he doesn't look frail as much as he is just a small framed man sitting there. After I thought about it, well he probably looks his age and has started with the physical ailments that most men his age begin to suffer from, but he doesn't look 90 IMO. I just know without his wig he will look like a neighbor I use to speak to over the fence years and years ago. So I await the prison mugshot picture also! We have never really seen him compared to average men his age and size. His mind may be fairly sharp still. IMO

The Mrs. what do you say, she was 23 when she became involved with him. It takes a different kind of girl to become involved with a man that old. Maybe she has her own "issues" and really liked him, I don't know, but I still think she knows the score. After watching the bodyguards interview, I still laugh at the thought of her and the house full of dogs and the 2 giant iguanas, think of them getting loose, look out Alhambra

I think PS wil eventually come around to his sons.

I couldn't help but also think of Mrs. Clarkson and how she must have felt last night.

JMO

vonna · #37 05-30-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by NavyMom58

LOL! vonna...you are a card! I love your wit!

I'm so glad you understood my post, NM. One of the posters thought I meant I didn't like Gary and Louis - while you recognized I was responding to Louis' comment that there were two Phil Spectors!!

Anakerie · #38 05-30-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kellabeck

Since he was convicted in a California state court of a state crime, why on earth would he be transferred to a state prison of another state? That makes no sense to me at all.

Further -- of no sense is any notion of grounds for appeal of this conviction. Ineffective assistance of counsel? Laughable. Use of pattern and practice witnesses? Judge Fidler was on solid ground with them. So try as they might, I can't imagine what creative argument would gain a reversal and/or new trial with such an extensive record of not one, but two, trials done is scrupulous fashion.

IIRC, Fidler has a very low record of reversal. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

I remember reading something about Fidler's record of reversals back during PS1..

NotAgain · #39 05-30-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by vonna

I don't like either one of them.

vonna rocks!

vonna · #40 05-30-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dianna

Good morning dref...
I have to agree with you about any compassion for Phil Spector.
I don't know what makes these kids/adults tick when it come to how they react when they are treated so poorly by their parent.(s)
I have seen time and time again how these children are told that their biological mother dumped them, they were on drugs, they tried to sell them, they put them up for adoption, they gave them to strangers and on and on. They still are looking for closure and the love they never received. They are always looking for the one who they call mom or dad. Those are the people I hold compassion for.
It's just amazing.
JMO

You hit the nail on the head, Dianna. The need to be loved by a parent is so basic that it overshadows the abuse or neglect doled out by the adult. One always hopes that some miracle will occur to open that fountain of love and recognition. But it just doesn't happen. That is why I feel such enormous sympathy for Gary and Louis.