Death penalty--wrong choice for prosecution

[bridget]

your thoughts ?
I'm pleased a motion has been filed.

[Tokyo Rose]

I'm pleased. The prosecutor must have a very strong case against her.
Maybe she will plead out now, but I doubt it.

jmo

[Arabella]

I'm thrilled as it proves that the state has a strong case against her.
However, I don't want her to be sentenced to death. She will be housed by herself away from the general population and in 10 years or so, the death sentence will be overturned.
I would rather she be sentenced to life without parole and have to spend every day of her miserable life with angry moms.

Originally Posted by Arabella

I'm thrilled as it proves that the state has a strong case against her.
However, I don't want her to be sentenced to death. She will be housed by herself away from the general population and in 10 years or so, the death sentence will be overturned.
I would rather she be sentenced to life without parole and have to spend every day of her miserable life with angry moms.

I agree. LWOP and being in the general population will be a really miserable existance and just what she derserves. I feel the same way about Scott Peterson: he is much too comfortable where he is.

[LisaM22]

Originally Posted by bridget

your thoughts ?
I'm pleased a motion has been filed.

lwop is enough for anyone, even casey imo

Originally Posted by LisaM22

lwop is enough for anyone, even casey imo

Normally I agree with you; but there are really should be ome exceptions to the rule: For example Brian Nichols' killer rampage in Atlanta. He did get LWOP due to the fact that one of the jurors apparently lied to get on the death penalty case jury. He finally said that he would NEVER vote for DP. Now we all have to live in fear that Nichols' will escape again and many more people will die if that happens.

But Casey Anthony and Scott Peterson are not a danger to society at large: they are just unconscionable people trying to get a quick solution to a personal problem. I look forward to the day we can add Drew Peterson's name to the list without having to add "allegedly" to our comments.

[CHITCHAT]

couldn't have happened to a more deserving person. Although I'd like to see her in general population.

[Leanne Weich]

I was reading an article a while ago about people who get LWOP for murder of children with or without sexual offences being involved, and it was stated that those convicts never get put in general population but in a segregated section with people who have committed similar crimes. If that is the case, I'd rather Casey be put to death.

[aubrey04]

I am ecstatic that the DP is back on the table. I have read most of doc drops & 100% believe she killed Caylee. I would like to hear more evidence about premeditation and how Caylee died to for sure say she should be given the death penalty.

But Florida prosecutors did the right thing, if this were a man who did this crime - they probably would have had the DP on the table from the start. I hate to say that but I truly believe that. (imo)

Originally Posted by penguin01

I agree. LWOP and being in the general population will be a really miserable existance and just what she derserves. I feel the same way about Scott Peterson: he is much too comfortable where he is.

I don't know that Scott is comfortable where he's at, no matter what he claims. A lot of people on death row go crazy being in isolation like that. Remember Jeffrey Dahmer requested getting out of segregation because it was too much, even for that nutcase. Living in a cell for 23 hours a day with only an hour outside would be far worse than being in general population, imo.

[Tokyo Rose]

I believe in the DP now that we have DNA. I believe there has to be a DNA connection to actually give someone the DP. Here, however, if there is no direct DNA connection, the DP on the table could make her plead to LWOP. Maybe even 25 years without the possibility of parole.

It is a possibility, however, the prosecutor has DNA.

I think she will do pretty good with the other women in prison. I believe she is the type.

JMO

[aproudmom]

Maybe she will plead out but I doubt it.

[iluvmua]

If Casey did plead Guilty would she still get Life in Prison W/O Parole?

[Dells]

Originally Posted by aubrey04

I am ecstatic that the DP is back on the table. I have read most of doc drops & 100% believe she killed Caylee. I would like to hear more evidence about premeditation and how Caylee died to for sure say she should be given the death penalty.

But Florida prosecutors did the right thing, if this were a man who did this crime - they probably would have had the DP on the table from the start. I hate to say that but I truly believe that. (imo)



I don't know that Scott is comfortable where he's at, no matter what he claims. A lot of people on death row go crazy being in isolation like that. Remember Jeffrey Dahmer requested getting out of segregation because it was too much, even for that nutcase. Living in a cell for 23 hours a day with only an hour outside would be far worse than being in general population, imo.

Bolding mine....

I so agree w/you. I think death row will be a miserable existence for her. She will be all alone and so isolated. That we be so hard for Casey who loved to go out and party. Once she is convicted she won't have all the visits by the "Dream Team" defense, so she will have so many hours to sit alone in her cell and ponder her upcoming death sentence.

I am so glad the DP is back on the table because I think that is exactly what she deserves for murdering Caylee. I can't wait till the verdict is read and those perpetual smirks are wiped off the faces of Casey and JB.

[Dells]

Originally Posted by iluvmua

If Casey did plead Guilty would she still get Life in Prison W/O Parole?

Well, in the event that the state offers her a plea deal, I truly hope they settle for nothing less than LWOP. I personally hope she gets sentenced to death though.

I also don't think the state did this to get her plea, even though that is what JB thinks. JB fails to realize that the state doesn't play games like the "Dream Team" does. JB fails to realize that this isn't about intimidating Casey, trying to trick Casey into a confession, or about evil forces out to get her. It is about the horrific murder of a sweet little 2 year old girl, and getting her the justice she so truly deserves. I think the state has overwhelming evidence against Casey and that is the reason why they put the DP back on the table.

[bridget]

Originally Posted by aubrey04

... A lot of people on death row go crazy being in isolation like that. Remember Jeffrey Dahmer requested getting out of segregation because it was too much, even for that nutcase. .......

and we all know what happened to Dahmer when he was put in general population....he got what he deserved....so did Susan Smith....I'd love to see the same fate for Scott Peterson & Casey

[shadoww]

Originally Posted by Dells

Bolding mine....

I so agree w/you. I think death row will be a miserable existence for her. She will be all alone and so isolated. That we be so hard for Casey who loved to go out and party. Once she is convicted she won't have all the visits by the "Dream Team" defense, so she will have so many hours to sit alone in her cell and ponder her upcoming death sentence.

I am so glad the DP is back on the table because I think that is exactly what she deserves for murdering Caylee. I can't wait till the verdict is read and those perpetual smirks are wiped off the faces of Casey and JB.

I'm glad to see someone else thinks JB does that horrible "smirk face". I was beginning to think I was the only one. LOL One of the last times they were in court and that idiot was doing that smirk face. I told my husband the prosecutor should complain to the judge and have him stop doing that. Talk about an ugly mug!!

[BlueHeron]

Originally Posted by Dells

Well, in the event that the state offers her a plea deal, I truly hope they settle for nothing less than LWOP. I personally hope she gets sentenced to death though.

I also don't think the state did this to get her plea, even though that is what JB thinks. JB fails to realize that the state doesn't play games like the "Dream Team" does. JB fails to realize that this isn't about intimidating Casey, trying to trick Casey into a confession, or about evil forces out to get her. It is about the horrific murder of a sweet little 2 year old girl, and getting her the justice she so truly deserves. I think the state has overwhelming evidence against Casey and that is the reason why they put the DP back on the table.

ITA with everything you just stated (bolding especially), but I think there's more (all MHO and I dearly hope I'm wrong). When I found out about this, I actually broke down cryng. My DH looked at me like I was nuts. I believe they put the DP back on the table because they know how Caylee died, and that she suffered pain and horror in her final moments on this earth (probably silently screaming for her mommy to save her). This is why I have mixed feelings. Not because of what kc deserves, but what this action by the prosecution might really mean: that Caylee didn't die unconcious and oblivious to her fate. That this murder has horrible, heinous aggravating circumstances that they can PROVE. I start to cry everytime I think about it. Need to stop typing and get out of here for a while. Sorry to quote myself, but I can't say it any better today so:

Hi Guys,

Well, I've been offline all day and just saw the news. I completely disagree with all the th's saying it's just to force a plea. More testing came back from the FBI & I agree with a prior poster who said they probably linked some of the oc's clothing/shoes to the crime scene, but I think there's much more, and it paints a horrific picture...I think they have a pretty good idea how this poor baby died IMO. This is graphic and painful to even contemplate, but this is what I think they have determined:

She drugged Caylee with chloroform. She couldn't stomach breaking her neck or wasn't confident in the force needed to do so, so she did the next best thing (in her sick sick mind).

She covered unconcious Caylee's nose and mouth tightly with duct tape, to guarantee suffocation. They may have found evidence that at some point this little baby came to, struggling to breath, sick from the drug, and struggled against her bonds. Maybe a rag was stuffed in her mouth, I don't know, but they have something horrible that's been confirmed. What I think they have (all JMO):

Imprints of Caylee's nose, mouth and teeth on the inside of the tape. Teeth marks indicating she bit down on the tape to try and find air.

Caylee's (child size) fingerprints on the sticky side of the tape. Again, struggling to find air.

Traces of vomit on the rag and/or inside of the tape showing she was alive and suffering from an overdose of chloroform.

And as another poster mentioned, trace materials on the oc's clothing and shoes showing she was at the dump site and handled the body.

THIS IS WHY SHE DESERVES DEATH, AND THIS IS WHY THEY ARE SEEKING IT. THERE WILL BE NO PLEA, THIS MONSTER IS GOING TO PAY FOR WHAT SHE DID TO THAT BEAUTIFUL CHILD!!!!

Rest in Peace Beautiful Caylee, you are safe now in God's arms. Down here on earth we are still experiencing horror and rage, but I take comfort in knowing you are far far from here, surrounded by the peace and love you always deserved. We miss you, and will always remember.

[mickeymb35]

Originally Posted by bridget

your thoughts ?
I'm pleased a motion has been filed.

I am very pleased. It was the best news I heard all day yesterday.

[Susie419]

Coundn't happen to a more deserving recipient...

now, I wonder what she'll choose, the injection or electricity!!!

presuming, of course, that she's convicted!

THEN, I'll do a Happy Dance!

God rest little Caylee's soul.

[girlspell]

I;m kind of pleased. That means the prosecution must have better evidence then what we're hearing. Although, a life with out partying would be hard on Casey..

[Staceylee]

Originally Posted by bridget

and we all know what happened to Dahmer when he was put in general population....he got what he deserved....so did Susan Smith....I'd love to see the same fate for Scott Peterson & Casey

What happened to Susan Smith in prison? Just curious because I had not heard.

[Sweetly]

DP back on the table! All I can say is:


YAY! She deserves it, if anyone does!!

[bonniez45]

Originally Posted by BlueHeron

ITA with everything you just stated (bolding especially), but I think there's more (all MHO and I dearly hope I'm wrong). When I found out about this, I actually broke down cryng. My DH looked at me like I was nuts. I believe they put the DP back on the table because they know how Caylee died, and that she suffered pain and horror in her final moments on this earth (probably silently screaming for her mommy to save her). This is why I have mixed feelings. Not because of what kc deserves, but what this action by the prosecution might really mean: that Caylee didn't die unconcious and oblivious to her fate. That this murder has horrible, heinous aggravating circumstances that they can PROVE. I start to cry everytime I think about it. Need to stop typing and get out of here for a while. Sorry to quote myself, but I can't say it any better today so:

It has really hit what it means and like you I have broke down crying and I cannot write the words my husband has said. I think a more public outcry needs to be made for Caylee I hope some of you all that live that way can be in the courtroom for her. O'h that poor baby, I also don't think JB really gets it and those two are the wrong personalities to have together I want to smack his face.

[bridget]

Originally Posted by Staceylee

What happened to Susan Smith in prison? Just curious because I had not heard.

SS was in general population & was killed by the other inmates.

I just read the posts about the possibility of darling Caylee not being unconscious when she died....I am horrified, sickened & sad...my first thought is....

CA needs to be Tortured for a Long time before she dies a very painful death....

Lord, forgive me for my thoughts.......

[NatalieB]

Originally Posted by bridget

SS was in general population & was killed by the other inmates.

I just read the posts about the possibility of darling Caylee not being unconscious when she died....I am horrified, sickened & sad...my first thought is....

CA needs to be Tortured for a Long time before she dies a very painful death....

Lord, forgive me for my thoughts.......

I think you're mistaken about Susan being killed while in prison. Perhaps you're confusing her for someone else? She's eligible for parole in 2024, but ex vowed to be at EVERY parole hearing to make sure that never happens.

I had heard a couple of guards were punished for having sex with her during her incarceration though.

As for the DP being back on the table for Casey, it couldn't happen to a more deserving person (if you could call her that), IMO. I won't be disappointed if she's not given death though. I'm glad prosecutors will have the death qualified jury (which normally is much more conservative and normally, easier to convince of murder - I certainly am aware there are exceptions though).

[bridget]

Originally Posted by NatalieB

I think you're mistaken about Susan being killed while in prison. Perhaps you're confusing her for someone else? She's eligible for parole in 2024, but ex vowed to be at EVERY parole hearing to make sure that never happens.

Thanks for the info....I had heard years ago that she was killed by inmates...I must be thinking of some other female convict.

[gnm109]

Originally Posted by Kathy*Rae

I would prefer Casey to have none of the protection a single cell will afford her.

She deserves to look over her shoulder and sleep with one eye open the rest of her miserable life.

...... But LE didn't consult me before making their decision.

That's a realy good point that you make here. She would have a single cell on Death Row but might be in the general population as a Lifer.

I'm not philosophically opposed to the death penalty yet I still think that life in prison is a weighty penalty. She's relatively young and life could be a very long time for her. She would have a long time to reflect on her evil deed.

While I have seen enough to believe that she caused the death of her child, there seems to be a lack of evidence regarding the exact motivation and means used. Although a motive is not required for a conviction, I feel that absent more evidence regarding her actual intent, it will end up to be LWOPOP. (Compare to the Phil Spector case where we now know that PS caused the death of Lana yet we know little of the exact motivation. Thus we see a second degree murder charge and resulting conviction).

It makes my heart ache when I think of the little girl. C.A. is an evil person for sure and either way, DP or LWOP, she should never see the light of day again, IMHO.

[janetlynn]

I think Casey came up with the name Zanny because she gave her daughter Caylee XANAX to knock her out so she could go out and party!
So she could say that zanny was her babysitter...

[courtsinsession]

I never thought this was a strong death penalty case; If the prosecution would have not chosen this route, they would have had the clumsy loser attorney Baez to deal with; now the defense has brought in this new attorney who is extremely qualified and formidable. for the life of me I can't figure out why all of these attorneys are working so hard to get this murdering witch free. This is one of the most reprehensible situaions we are bearing witness to. With the addition of this Lyons woman, don't think that Casey can't walk for this crime.

[Dells]

Originally Posted by courtsinsession

I never thought this was a strong death penalty case; If the prosecution would have not chosen this route, they would have had the clumsy loser attorney Baez to deal with; now the defense has brought in this new attorney who is extremely qualified and formidable. for the life of me I can't figure out why all of these attorneys are working so hard to get this murdering witch free. This is one of the most reprehensible situaions we are bearing witness to. With the addition of this Lyons woman, don't think that Casey can't walk for this crime.

Bolding mine....

I so agree w/your statement. Why in the world is Casey deserving of all of these high profile defense attorneys? Surely there are other worthy causes that they could put their time and energy into? I have to think that they are doing it totally and completely for all the publicity. What a surprise that the new DPQ attorney has a new book coming out in January. NOT! What perfect publicity for her by being involved in the Caylee Anthony murder case. I wonder how many chapters of her book she will devote to Casey's case? Surely Casey's defense team can't think she is innocent, even though they say so every chance they get. Anybody can see that nobody besides Casey would have had means, motive or opportunity to murder Caylee. Casey sealed her own fate w/all of her lies. If she would have reported Caylee missing from day 1 and acted like a grieving mother she could have maybe somehow weaseled her way out of this or at least weaseled her way out of this w/a much lighter sentence.

I think this really and truly is a DP case. What is more horrific than a mother murdering her own child? If this case isn't deserving of the DP, then what case is? The fact that Casey lied about everything and continues to do so makes it even more despicable, IMO. The fact that her defense team and her own family are pointing their fingers at innocent victims who were only peripherally involved w/Caylee, just makes it even more deplorable, as if it wasn't deplorable enough already. I don't look at the DP as a deterrent like the new DPQ attorney seems to do. I look at it as a fitting punishment to an atrocious crime. Even in the end if Casey does not get the DP, I think LWOP will be a totally appropriate and fitting punishment for her. In some ways I think LWOP will be much more severe for her because she has many more years to live and she will have to acclimate herself to prison life. I don't think it will be easy for her at, on multiple levels.

I also think that everyone is getting all caught up on Casey's dream team. Yes, they are good attorneys, but we have to remember that they are going against equally good prosecutors. Pam Bondi, whom I respect immensely, always says what good and ethical prosecutors these are. Y-day on Prime News on HLN she again said the same thing amongst all the buzz regarding the new attorney on the defense team. We know so much about the defense team because they hold all these impromptu press conferences after all their court hearings and they appear on The Today Show on a regular basis. I am sure that if we were able to hear equally from the prosecution, we would feel that they were very formidable attorneys as well. The few times that LDB has spoken in court she is very articulate, concise, and really cuts to the point. She can run circles around JB w/all of his umms, ers, and humms. LDB specializes in crimes against children and their is no doubt in my mind that she will knock everyone's socks off when this case finally goes to trial.

Also, the fact that it is now a DP case means that a DPQ jury has to be seated. All the TH's agreed that it would cause the make up of the jury to be more conservative and more likely to convict Casey. I think it just makes it harder on the defense to try to get Casey acquitted for her crime. So even if Casey does not ultimately get the DP, she will most likely get LWOP. I think the prosecutors know what they are doing and they have a lot of people working for them behind the scenes. They are holding their strategy close to their chests and I truly believe that they have the evidence that is capable of getting Casey the DP. Otherwise I don't think they would have put it back on the table.

[~kaRN]

Originally Posted by bridget

SS was in general population & was killed by the other inmates.

I just read the posts about the possibility of darling Caylee not being unconscious when she died....I am horrified, sickened & sad...my first thought is....

CA needs to be Tortured for a Long time before she dies a very painful death....

Lord, forgive me for my thoughts.......

SS is still alive and incarcerated.

[ksk1]

I believe she deserves the death penalty because she killed her daughter, lied about it and then blamed someone else. My concern is if they dont have the evidence to prove she should get the DP then what happens? Will there be the option of DP or LWOP?

There may be those who get on the jury and wont convict because they know the DP is on the table if convicted. Even though they will be asked the question, "can they convict with the DP", will they really be able to sentence this "person" in all that she is: being young, supposedly pretty, caucausion (sorry to bring the race card) to the death penalty?

Also, where is the proof of actual intent to kill Caylee with Malice? What is the evidence show other than an accident? My opinion, Cassey had been giving Caylee medication to make her sleep, and she gave too much, and Caylee died, and she panicked and lied about it. Cassey is still an evil and selfish person to endanger her daughter's life just so she could party and be free but I dont see 1st degree murder.

[msgatorslayer]

Originally Posted by ksk1

I believe she deserves the death penalty because she killed her daughter, lied about it and then blamed someone else. My concern is if they dont have the evidence to prove she should get the DP then what happens? Will there be the option of DP or LWOP?

There may be those who get on the jury and wont convict because they know the DP is on the table if convicted. Even though they will be asked the question, "can they convict with the DP", will they really be able to sentence this "person" in all that she is: being young, supposedly pretty, caucausion (sorry to bring the race card) to the death penalty?

Also, where is the proof of actual intent to kill Caylee with Malice? What is the evidence show other than an accident? My opinion, Cassey had been giving Caylee medication to make her sleep, and she gave too much, and Caylee died, and she panicked and lied about it. Cassey is still an evil and selfish person to endanger her daughter's life just so she could party and be free but I dont see 1st degree murder.

Once a jury of 12 finds her guilty they will have to listen to the penalty phase. The State will argue their list of aggravating factors and ask the jurors for death. The Defense will argue their list of mitigating factors and ask that the jurors give life.

The only way Casey is going to get off is if all 12 jurors find her not guilty.

She will be punished. What would be the point of having a trial, finding her guilty, only to let her go because the jury doesn't want to send her to the death chamber?

It's either death, or life, and life in Florida means no parole. The State is merely asking that the jurors find in their favor, for a death sentence. The jurors don't have to agree with the State on punishment.

The State will use Casey's computer searches to show she premeditated the murder of her Daughter. Kinda stinks when you're searching 'chloroform' and 'missing children' - then your child goes 'missing' and 'chloroform air' is found in the trunk of your car. A coincidence? Doubtful. IMO

[NatalieB]

Originally Posted by courtsinsession

I never thought this was a strong death penalty case; If the prosecution would have not chosen this route, they would have had the clumsy loser attorney Baez to deal with; now the defense has brought in this new attorney who is extremely qualified and formidable. for the life of me I can't figure out why all of these attorneys are working so hard to get this murdering witch free. This is one of the most reprehensible situaions we are bearing witness to. With the addition of this Lyons woman, don't think that Casey can't walk for this crime.

I think just the opposite. I think they chose to seek death so as not to open the door on down the road for Casey to have a guilty verdict overturned due to ineffective representation. Baez doesn't know jack really and make no doubt about it, this one is going into the millions. Floridians need only 1 trial at that price, so I think the state is trying to get it right the first time.

[iluvmua]

Casey will probably get Life w/o parole, Hope her life from here on out is a living HELL for her every single day of her miserable young life.

[girlspell]

I've always thought it was a bad decision. This is a case with no murder scene and very little direct evidence. How the victim died is unknown. There are too many doubts over how the killer killed the victim.

I think they brought this up in the hopes (more then finding the body, duct tape, etc with NO fingerprints) in the hopes that plea deal would occure. I knew Casey would NEVER admit to the demise of her child, accident or not. I'm confident she will be convicted, but certainly no Death Row. Reasonable doubt and no direct evidence of a planned killing will take care of that. Right now, I'm hoping the prosecution will able to pull off a 1st degree murder conviction. But right now I see Casey in prison perhaps 10-15 years, still being in child bearing years when she gets out. Casey won't walk, but she might avoid 1st degree or even 2nd degree. Earlier, when I thought LE had better evidence, I was near certain she would get life, Now I'm not sure. Her idiot lawyer will take the back seat to a very competent lawyer who will raise a conspiracy theory the likes of who killed JKF.

[gnm109]

Originally Posted by iluvmua

Casey will probably get Life w/o parole, Hope her life from here on out is a living HELL for her every single day of her miserable young life.

I agree on both counts. The life without parole is very likely and life in prison is generally a living hell by definition.