Couple Ordered to Stop Holding Bible Study at Home Without Permit

[forensicfan]

This is ridiculous! First of all, I wonder who the hell had the audacity to call and report these people for praying in their home and since when is that taxable???

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,...est=latestnews

[incidentally]

Wow. That's just plain bizarre. There must be more to this story then being reported because it makes absolutely no sense.

[Details]

Yep - always look for the rest of the story. Once in awhile there isn't one - but almost always there is.

Other times, it's one burocrat following rules to the letter without common sense, one person with a grudge.

This one sounds real - the 10 News article has nothing that explains it. 15 people once a week - the one issue I could see is if it were one of those streets with almost no parking - I used to live a place where 10 extra cars would absolutely ruin the street for parking. Or - maybe it's more than that - do they run a major collection plate, and more religious business(printing and distributing material) from the home? Or is it noisy - bells and loud music?

We'll see - but there's almost always more to the story - when you have only one side of it, you've never got the whole thing. I'm sure they've put in only what makes them sound good, and nothing else. Maybe it's at least 15, but more often 50 - for instance.


My husband recently got the latest outrageous story from his brother - the power company sued to stop a person from having a wind power generator, since it stopped them from buying power from the power company - an example of how evil those power companies are. He smelled a slanted story, researched - found out that the neighbors sued to have the windmill removed, not the power company - because it was HUGE, noisy, all around nothing you would ever wish to live nearby.

[Details]

Originally Posted by jamesb68

I would hope so, this is really bizarre, was it a muslim bible study or christian, not that it matters, just trying to think why anyone would do this

I'd like to hear from a neighbor or so. That'd be a start. Often the government has all kinds of legal issues that stop them from giving the other side. A neighbor may not be unbiased, but at least it'd be the other side.

Could be there is no other side - some low level rule-bound clerk filing papers without regard for proportion. But this story is barely out, only one side, and only from one news agency. We'll see what the story is when more comes out.

[Cooper]

Originally Posted by Details

I'd like to hear from a neighbor or so. That'd be a start. Often the government has all kinds of legal issues that stop them from giving the other side. A neighbor may not be unbiased, but at least it'd be the other side.

Could be there is no other side - some low level rule-bound clerk filing papers without regard for proportion. But this story is barely out, only one side, and only from one news agency. We'll see what the story is when more comes out.

I can't wait to see what eventually comes out.

My first thought was that maybe it was a very large group of people that perhaps took all of the parking and the neighbors complained.

However, if it's 15 or so, that could even be a dinner party rather than a bible study!

People can have visitors in their own home.

[Details]

Originally Posted by Cooper

I can't wait to see what eventually comes out.

My first thought was that maybe it was a very large group of people that perhaps took all of the parking and the neighbors complained.

However, if it's 15 or so, that could even be a dinner party rather than a bible study!

People can have visitors in their own home.

15 is an average, so I'd expect some weeks it's nearly double. But if there was a dinner party every single week taking up all the parking, that'd be pretty annoying.

I'm wondering if we do get any followup - or if they're going to be very quiet. I figure there must be more to the story, or we would have heard from neighbors in support of the bible study, etc. - but nope, we've got a single source.

[Cooper]

Originally Posted by Details

15 is an average, so I'd expect some weeks it's nearly double. But if there was a dinner party every single week taking up all the parking, that'd be pretty annoying.

I'm wondering if we do get any followup - or if they're going to be very quiet. I figure there must be more to the story, or we would have heard from neighbors in support of the bible study, etc. - but nope, we've got a single source.

Annoying or not, one could have a dinner party weekly, have a bible study or play poker or bunco etc.

However, I think there is much more to this story.

[Adalena935]

Originally Posted by Cooper

I can't wait to see what eventually comes out.

My first thought was that maybe it was a very large group of people that perhaps took all of the parking and the neighbors complained.

However, if it's 15 or so, that could even be a dinner party rather than a bible study!

People can have visitors in their own home.

I honestly don't see (face value) how it's any different than a weekend family barbeque. Before you know it, families will be made to limit their numbers for get-togethers. I'm from a huge Catholic family. My sons married into huge Mexican families. Whew. don't ask. Won't be long some govt entity will have ordinances against family members enjoying one another's company when they have a day of rest.

[Adalena935]

If it's about public fire access, then how come the geek asked the wife; "Do you say amen?" Can't have it both ways. This link says the county's backed off. That this scenario is playing out nationwide and people need to understand their rights. Thing is, govt forces people to hire lawyers to defend them for the right to pray or barbeque in their own homes. outrageous. Besides the couple's been having the bible studies for 5 years. If it's such a huge parking problem, what's their motto; "Let's not rush into anything?"

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=16149

[Details]

Sounds like it was a mixture of what we were theorizing - from the neighbor, 20 or 30 cars - definitely a nuisance, and when damage is done to another car, that's something that would make the neighbors not too happy with the situation. And combine that with someone who was maybe a bit overzealous in applying the rules.

Originally Posted by jamesb68

I would hope so, this is really bizarre, was it a Muslim bible study or christian, not that it matters, just trying to think why anyone would do this

bible = christian. Are you really unaware that Muslims do not use the bible? Or were you thinking bible strudy was just a phrase they used loosely meaning "some kinda religious meeting"..... don't care which kind, LOL
Its really bizarre either way. Isn't there something in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights about the "right to congregate". (Canadian here; I know you have it written - forget where). Really there must be more than we presently understand to this story.

[quote=jamesb68;13148514]both muslims and christians have bible studies

http://www.gotquestions.org/Muslim-WJD1.html

but regardless it should not matter and yes, the law has no place here.(quote)


Your are right: the law has no place. but selling bible study to muslims instead of the Koran or along with the Koran - (or the Qu'uran?)? I'll bet the Mullah's are all over that! NOT! And then there is "Jews for Jesus" who also have bible study - much to the absolute horror of actual practicing Jews!
You won't find bible study in the average Synagogue any more than you find bible study in your average Mosque. Actaual Muslims and Jews do not tend to have bible study as a part of their religion. That is a fantasy of Christians.

Originally Posted by jamesb68

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_muslim_bible

"The muslim bible is the holy Al-Qur'an"

and the jewish bible is the Talmud. But LE said they were studying the "Bible" not the Qu-uran or the Talmud..... which members of those religions do not confuse with the Bible.

Or are you saying that LE really meant the Pastor (is he not Christian?) and his friends were studing some kind of religious book and we don't know the name of it so we are just calling it the Bible for ease and (lack of) clarity. OR fun and profit.

[Deb7]

Originally Posted by penguin01

and the jewish bible is the Talmud. But LE said they were studying the "Bible" not the Qu-uran or the Talmud..... which members of those religions do not confuse with the Bible.

Or are you saying that LE really meant the Pastor (is he not Christian?) and his friends were studing some kind of religious book and we don't know the name of it so we are just calling it the Bible for ease and (lack of) clarity. OR fun and profit.

I don't mean to argue with you or start an argument, but a bible is the writings of any religion.
Here is a definition (item "d")
http://education.yahoo.com/reference...ry/entry/Bible

Many people hold "bible" study, and don't actually use The Bible.

Details, what a great post. I am sure like you and Tally both said, there has to be more to this story.


JMO

[doctor_J]

Hard for me to understand why any journalist would submit a story like this and not present some comments from the neighbors or the county representatives. Seems too biased right off the bat, meant to inflame emotions.

My next door neighbors have 1 parking spot. Every major holiday the family congegates and the parking is on the street, including parking about 3 feet onto my lawn and using my driveway, which holds 6 cars. They've had my permission to do that for 15 years. The whole neighborhood has to carefully navigate thru a narrow opening that's left of the residential street. I'm OK with it because they're great neighbors but if it went down weekly, I would be more than a little distressed.

I agree with others, there's more to this story.

[crocdog1]

Originally Posted by penguin01

and the jewish bible is the Talmud. But LE said they were studying the "Bible" not the Qu-uran or the Talmud..... which members of those religions do not confuse with the Bible.

Or are you saying that LE really meant the Pastor (is he not Christian?) and his friends were studing some kind of religious book and we don't know the name of it so we are just calling it the Bible for ease and (lack of) clarity. OR fun and profit.

I just checked to make double sure I got this right.

My BIBLE has both the Old and the New Testament. Last I heard, the Old Testament was of the Jewish faith. This includes the Psalms and, of course Genesis, which many Christians want to be taught as an alternative to Evolution.

[FurthurBB]

Originally Posted by penguin01

and the jewish bible is the Talmud. But LE said they were studying the "Bible" not the Qu-uran or the Talmud..... which members of those religions do not confuse with the Bible.

Or are you saying that LE really meant the Pastor (is he not Christian?) and his friends were studing some kind of religious book and we don't know the name of it so we are just calling it the Bible for ease and (lack of) clarity. OR fun and profit.

The Talmud is the book of Rabbinic law and commentary, the Torah or the Tanakh are the holy scriptures. Not to be picky, but, my upbringing demands I correct you. IMO

[Cooper]

Originally Posted by penguin01

and the jewish bible is the Talmud.

Uh, no. The Hebrew bible is the Tanakah, not the Talmud nor the "Old Testament." It includes the Torah, Prophets and Writings.


The Talmud is a collection of rabbinic writings on Jewish law and tradition.

And yes, Jews study both.

[Cooper]

Originally Posted by penguin01

bible = christian.

Are you really unaware that the "bible" does not "= Christian?"

I am not a Christian and I use my bible all of the time.

[aproudmom]

Originally Posted by incidentally

Wow. That's just plain bizarre. There must be more to this story then being reported because it makes absolutely no sense.

I agree this is very odd has to be more to it