May 19 to

[Tokyo Rose]

I was surprised to hear the state asked for a different judge. That is usually never done by the prosecutors. I think they have a very good reason for that. I also think there is more to it than what is in the motion and we know about.

The defense didn't seem happy about the possible change or maybe I was reading more into their press conference than I should have.

I hope the DP is not on the table in this case. It would be very hard for Drew Peterson to spend life in prison. There are the kids to consider also.

jmo

[kellabeck]

Originally Posted by sunstar

I agree. Even though it's unlikely, it is still possible that Stacy is alive. MOO

No it's not. ALL of her friends and relatives have said that such a good mother would NEVER have abandoned her children to live with a man she was planning to divorce. That's at the least. And at the worst, someone she knew was capable of murder.

That's just for starters. Then there is:
zero cell phone activity
zero bank activity
zero credit card activity
zero sightings anywhere
total lack of evidence of the "other man" and his concomitant disappearance

Couple that with Drew's behavior and the statements of his stepbrother...

It's impossible that she is still alive.

Obviously, the discovery of the body is very helpful to prosecution, the lack of body does not preclude a trial. In the case of Scott Peterson, the washing up of Laci and Conner's bodies where Scooter dumped them, was the ultimate nail in his coffin, true. However, I believe that he would have been prosecuted and convicted without them.

[kellabeck]

Originally Posted by trigger

Just in case you guys forgot. Current updates now that DP was arrested. Legal analyst lisa Bloom shares info on a new law, KS sister is on with her attorney, Financee Christine Raines with attorney Gloria Allred and Christines father will be there and on Thursday show what will happen to DP children.

Thanks for the heads up. I don't watch that show unless he has a specific issue like this.

[bkwits]

Originally Posted by Tokyo Rose

I was surprised to hear the state asked for a different judge. That is usually never done by the prosecutors. I think they have a very good reason for that. I also think there is more to it than what is in the motion and we know about.

The defense didn't seem happy about the possible change or maybe I was reading more into their press conference than I should have.

I hope the DP is not on the table in this case. It would be very hard for Drew Peterson to spend life in prison. There are the kids to consider also.

jmo

Pros. claims that Judge Schoenstedt is prejudiced in favor of defense. This judge assigned himself to Peterson's case. He had dismissed two weapons charges against Peterson in 2007, during the investigation of Stacy's disappearance.

The pros doesn't have to prove anything. They are allowed to change judges once, whle defense can have two judges removed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...0,740625.story

Originally Posted by bkwits

Pros. claims that Judge Schoenstedt is prejudiced in favor of defense. This judge assigned himself to Peterson's case. He had dismissed two weapons charges against Peterson in 2007, during the investigation of Stacy's disappearance.

The pros doesn't have to prove anything. They are allowed to change judges once, whle defense can have two judges removed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...0,740625.story

I wonder why the State Attorney's office would refuse to give records re the guns to DP's attnys. Sorta sounds like the judge had no choice but to dismiss the weapons charges based on LE behavior. Were the charges dismissed with or without prejudice (or is that phrase just used in civil cases)? In other words can the weapons charges be brought again?

Originally Posted by kellabeck

No it's not. ALL of her friends and relatives have said that such a good mother would NEVER have abandoned her children to live with a man she was planning to divorce. That's at the least. And at the worst, someone she knew was capable of murder.

That's just for starters. Then there is:
zero cell phone activity
zero bank activity
zero credit card activity
zero sightings anywhere
total lack of evidence of the "other man" and his concomitant disappearance

Couple that with Drew's behavior and the statements of his stepbrother...

It's impossible that she is still alive.

Obviously, the discovery of the body is very helpful to prosecution, the lack of body does not preclude a trial. In the case of Scott Peterson, the washing up of Laci and Conner's bodies where Scooter dumped them, was the ultimate nail in his coffin, true. However, I believe that he would have been prosecuted and convicted without them.

I think we have to add CONTROL once again to the above. Drew prowled around keeping an eye on her: he constantly checked up on her. Its very doubtful she would have had the slightest opportunity to get to know some guy well enough to consider leaving her children and family with him.
DP woud rather suggest she was the kind of woman to do that: he wants to trash her even now. He could have pretended to worry that she was abducted, but that wouldn't do enough to paint her as a bad person IMO. She's dead and he has something to do with it!

[Tokyo Rose]

Originally Posted by trigger

Just in case you guys forgot. Current updates now that DP was arrested. Legal analyst lisa Bloom shares info on a new law, KS sister is on with her attorney, Financee Christine Raines with attorney Gloria Allred and Christines father will be there and on Thursday show what will happen to DP children.

Trigger, what's the time zone you're in?

[Tokyo Rose]

Originally Posted by bkwits

Pros. claims that Judge Schoenstedt is prejudiced in favor of defense. This judge assigned himself to Peterson's case. He had dismissed two weapons charges against Peterson in 2007, during the investigation of Stacy's disappearance.

The pros doesn't have to prove anything. They are allowed to change judges once, whle defense can have two judges removed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...0,740625.story

Thanks for the info.

Originally Posted by Tokyo Rose

Trigger, what's the time zone you're in?

Probably Central - Dr. Phil comes on at 3 for me here in AL.

[ksk1]

Originally Posted by kellabeck

No it's not. ALL of her friends and relatives have said that such a good mother would NEVER have abandoned her children to live with a man she was planning to divorce. That's at the least. And at the worst, someone she knew was capable of murder.

That's just for starters. Then there is:
zero cell phone activity
zero bank activity
zero credit card activity
zero sightings anywhere
total lack of evidence of the "other man" and his concomitant disappearance

Couple that with Drew's behavior and the statements of his stepbrother...

It's impossible that she is still alive.

Obviously, the discovery of the body is very helpful to prosecution, the lack of body does not preclude a trial. In the case of Scott Peterson, the washing up of Laci and Conner's bodies where Scooter dumped them, was the ultimate nail in his coffin, true. However, I believe that he would have been prosecuted and convicted without them.

Yes, and out here in California we had a similiar case in that the spouse was missing and the husband was convicted. Hans Reiser. Several months later just before sentencing, he led the police to the body. On a different note, I just have to say how absolutely happy I was when Drew Peterson was arrested. Finally!!

[Tokyo Rose]

Originally Posted by penguin01

Probably Central - Dr. Phil comes on at 3 for me here in AL.

I'm in Eastern and it shows on at 5pm. I don't usually watch the show, but want to today. Looking at the remarks, it shows a totally different subject he is having on today. It's also on ABC.

Thanks

[ksk1]

Originally Posted by bkwits

Pros. claims that Judge Schoenstedt is prejudiced in favor of defense. This judge assigned himself to Peterson's case. He had dismissed two weapons charges against Peterson in 2007, during the investigation of Stacy's disappearance.

The pros doesn't have to prove anything. They are allowed to change judges once, whle defense can have two judges removed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...0,740625.story

Thank you for this information. In that case he should be taken off the case and I am glad the prosecution was right on it. There may be a past relationship with this judge and Peterson.

Prayers for Stacey's kids.

[Tokyo Rose]

Originally Posted by ksk1

Thank you for this information. In that case he should be taken off the case and I am glad the prosecution was right on it. There may be a past relationship with this judge and Peterson.

Prayers for Stacey's kids.

He's been a cop long enough to know some judges personally. I am glad the prosecution is on this too.

jmo

Originally Posted by Tokyo Rose

He's been a cop long enough to know some judges personally. I am glad the prosecution is on this too.

jmo

BUt I'm still unclear - why did the prosecution not provide the defence with the LE records re the weapons. Don't they have to? Did they put the judge in a position to have to dismiss the charges due to this? Can the weapons charges be reinstated?

[Justice4All2]

Avoid marrying any guy who's last name is Peterson:

Laci, murdered by husband Scott.
Kathleen, murdered by husband Michael.
Kathleen, suspected of being murdered by husband Drew.
Stacie, missing and suspected of being done away with by husband Drew.

Originally Posted by Tokyo Rose

I'm in Eastern and it shows on at 5pm. I don't usually watch the show, but want to today. Looking at the remarks, it shows a totally different subject he is having on today. It's also on ABC.

Thanks

Huh? I'm being careful not to comment on the show yet - till after you see it. But I did check the Dr. Phil website and it shows that the DP case will be on today. What did you see as the subject? Its on CBS here - how can it be on ABC there?

[Tokyo Rose]

Originally Posted by Why?

It is a syndicated show. Stations buy the rights to broadcast in a particular market.......

my market it might be cbs, another market it may be a fox station, etc.

Yes, my son just explained that to me.

[Tokyo Rose]

Originally Posted by penguin01

BUt I'm still unclear - why did the prosecution not provide the defence with the LE records re the weapons. Don't they have to? Did they put the judge in a position to have to dismiss the charges due to this? Can the weapons charges be reinstated?

I know next to nothing about Illinois law. Maybe the state refused to give the LE records because it was internal and not subject to be released to the public or is not a part of discovery. Maybe the judge just jumped on that as an excuse to dismiss the charges because he feels the state should give it to the defense even if they don't have to. The prosecutor was pretty steamed about it for sure and must have had a reason. I don't know what kind of weapons charges were filed against DP, but they can't refile the charges if the statute of limitations has run out.

jmo

There might have been some very nasty things said about DP in their internal communications.

[Tokyo Rose]

Originally Posted by penguin01

Huh? I'm being careful not to comment on the show yet - till after you see it. But I did check the Dr. Phil website and it shows that the DP case will be on today. What did you see as the subject? Its on CBS here - how can it be on ABC there?

Something about some self help show, but now it has been changed to the DP show info.

[n/t]

Gloria Allred representing the new fiancee.

What do you all think? Do you think DP confided in his new fiancee and she knows what happened to Stacy?

Why does she need a lawyer?

[kellabeck]

Originally Posted by Why?

SNIP
I am still laughing at kellabeck calling Peterson (Scott) Scooter.... did his family call him that? I don't remember that nickname.

As far as I know, that's an invention of someone here.

[kellabeck]

Here's a real whopper:

Joel Brodsky (in response to Dr Phil's question of did Drew get favorable treatment because he was a cop?):

"Well actually, police officers who get involved with violence either with their spouses or in general are usually subject to harsher treatment."
Yes, but only on Planet Bizarro where Joel is King.

[Anakerie]

Originally Posted by penguin01

I wonder why the State Attorney's office would refuse to give records re the guns to DP's attnys. Sorta sounds like the judge had no choice but to dismiss the weapons charges based on LE behavior. Were the charges dismissed with or without prejudice (or is that phrase just used in civil cases)? In other words can the weapons charges be brought again?

It's been a while since this was in the news, but I seem to remember that the defense was asking for more records than just the stuff about the guns. I also vaguely remember they wanted the records for more than just Drew Peterson...

Someone will probably correct me, but thats all good! lol

[bkwits]

Originally Posted by Anakerie

It's been a while since this was in the news, but I seem to remember that the defense was asking for more records than just the stuff about the guns. I also vaguely remember they wanted the records for more than just Drew Peterson...

Someone will probably correct me, but thats all good! lol

It is kind of complicated, but as I understand it the gun violation (sawed off rifle) was discovered during the investigation into Stacy's disappearance. The pros would have had the turn over records that they are using in their ongoing investigation. This is the state's case, IIRC. The judge made liberal rulings in favor of the defense.

As I recall the guns were turned over to DrewP's older son, who is a PO in Oak Brook, IL. That is Steve Peterson, the son who is now taking care of the younger children.

IMO.

[FallenAngel♥]

Originally Posted by Dianna

This has to be very strange that Peterson's fiance needs a lawyer. Of all people, Gloria Allred. (Women's advocate)
Do we seriously think Drew Peterson confided in his baby fiance. I have my doubts. After all, look what happened to Stacy Peterson. She up and disappeared after it was known he allegedly confided in her.
I'm hoping for another Indictment before his next court date.
JMO

I wonder if Drews new fiancee knows what happen to Stacy. I seriously hope she has some good evidence against Drew. and i hope she never goes back to him.

[bkwits]

I was rummaging around looking for old stories and saw that Steve P., the Oak Brook PO, was suspended for 8 days for driving his squad car and wearing his uniform to his appearance at the Grand Jury in Will County. It was said to be an embarrassment to the PD in Oak Brook.

IMO

[bkwits]

Originally Posted by Dianna

This has to be very strange that Peterson's fiance needs a lawyer. Of all people, Gloria Allred. (Women's advocate)
Do we seriously think Drew Peterson confided in his baby fiance. I have my doubts. After all, look what happened to Stacy Peterson. She up and disappeared after it was known he allegedly confided in her.
I'm hoping for another Indictment before his next court date.
JMO

Well, if I had any involvement at all with DrewP, I would get a lawyer. I live exactly 30 miles from his house, and thankful that I'm not closer. My DIL works with someone who knew both Drew and Kathleen.

JMO

[not.another]

Source: Grand jury ends Peterson probe


http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/h...051909.article

JOLIET — The grand jury investigating the fate of Drew Peterson's last two wives wrapped up Tuesday with the testimony of potential star witness Thomas Morphey, a source said.

The grand jury's 18-month term is set to expire Thursday, but the source said it finished two days early.

[n/t]

Originally Posted by Dianna

This has to be very strange that Peterson's fiance needs a lawyer. Of all people, Gloria Allred. (Women's advocate)
Do we seriously think Drew Peterson confided in his baby fiance. I have my doubts. After all, look what happened to Stacy Peterson. She up and disappeared after it was known he allegedly confided in her.
I'm hoping for another Indictment before his next court date.
JMO

He didn't have time to make this one disappear. Although I have my doubts, who knows. He's so full of himself. He could've confided in her.

Remember Amber Frey being the star witness in the Scott Peterson case. Well.....just maybe.

[Anakerie]

Originally Posted by not.another

Source: Grand jury ends Peterson probe


http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/h...051909.article

JOLIET — The grand jury investigating the fate of Drew Peterson's last two wives wrapped up Tuesday with the testimony of potential star witness Thomas Morphey, a source said.

The grand jury's 18-month term is set to expire Thursday, but the source said it finished two days early.

No indictment????

From the story:
Pelkie declined to comment on whether or not the grand jury has returned indictments in either Stacy or Stebic's case.

So we wait some more?? How does this kind of thing usually work?

[RayStar]

Originally Posted by Justice4All2

Avoid marrying any guy who's last name is Peterson:

Laci, murdered by husband Scott.
Kathleen, murdered by husband Michael.
Kathleen, suspected of being murdered by husband Drew.
Stacie, missing and suspected of being done away with by husband Drew.

I bet Drew's new girlfriend's father believes/agrees with this. I think Drew is much scarier though. His profession has given him some leeway.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Originally Posted by bkwits

It is kind of complicated, but as I understand it the gun violation (sawed off rifle) was discovered during the investigation into Stacy's disappearance. The pros would have had the turn over records that they are using in their ongoing investigation. This is the state's case, IIRC. The judge made liberal rulings in favor of the defense.

As I recall the guns were turned over to DrewP's older son, who is a PO in Oak Brook, IL. That is Steve Peterson, the son who is now taking care of the younger children.

IMO.

The state lost that case because they were grasping for straws. Unfortunately for them, DP had pics of himself holding that same altered gun with the SWAT team, and records. The police chief, McGury, decided to "resign" during all that.

Pics:
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/m...DSC01601-1.jpg

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/m...io/closeup.jpg

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/m...gundoc2005.jpg

lots more pics-
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...vio/?start=all

[LILMANMAX]

Originally Posted by n/t

He didn't have time to make this one disappear. Although I have my doubts, who knows. He's so full of himself. He could've confided in her.

Remember Amber Frey being the star witness in the Scott Peterson case. Well.....just maybe.

ITA
With the intense pleasure he enjoys while speaking, its very possible he told her something.

And what in the world is DP owning assault weapons or whatever they were?

[aproudmom]

I missed Dr Phil does anyone know if it is put on the site I looked but only had about 2 minutes of the show..

[kellabeck]

aproudmom, you missed Kathleen's sister asking Brodsky if he can give her her sister back.

And Dr Phil's saying to Christina Raine's father that he has to weigh having his daughter be mad at him versus having her dead or missing. (MY words. Whatever was specifically said, that was the thrust of it.)

[Anakerie]

Christina Raines apparently went to visit Drew in jail... And she wasn't happy to find a fox news reporter in the parking lot...
http://www.myfoxaustin.com/dpp/news/...051309_2482972

[amb40]

^^^^^^^^^


That is awful. You think she would get it by now?? I could not imagine wanted an old coot like Drew Peterson when I was only in my 20's!!! EW! I couldn't imagine it now and am in my 40's!! Yuk. He is gross...those bags have bags under his eyes!!!!!!!!!!


She was sooo clueless on the Today Show one morning..Everything she said was "like"....SHe was soooo out there!! Drew is scum. Hope he never gets out of prison.

[not.another]

Originally Posted by Anakerie

No indictment????

From the story:
Pelkie declined to comment on whether or not the grand jury has returned indictments in either Stacy or Stebic's case.

So we wait some more?? How does this kind of thing usually work?

What I got from the article about the grand jury was that if there are indictments, they may be sealed. I don't really know what they are waiting for myself. Maybe they will hand down the indictment soon, they very well could be sealed. They could be waiting til the next court date so that he cannot bail out.

As far as Christina Raines goes, I have no sympathy for her whatsoever. She comes across, to me, as a bumbling child! IMO

[Tokyo Rose]

Originally Posted by amb40

^^^^^^^^^


That is awful. You think she would get it by now?? I could not imagine wanted an old coot like Drew Peterson when I was only in my 20's!!! EW! I couldn't imagine it now and am in my 40's!! Yuk. He is gross...those bags have bags under his eyes!!!!!!!!!!


She was sooo clueless on the Today Show one morning..Everything she said was "like"....SHe was soooo out there!! Drew is scum. Hope he never gets out of prison.

That's the only kind of female he can get. Someone too young to have a brain yet. Besides, she said it started out as a show just so he could get attention.

Yuk, he is gross.

The only kind of a man who would find him a friend a man who hates women. Real man's man.

[Valkyrie08]

IMO, Drew is a very manipulative man and smarter than people give him credit for. I mean, how else was he able to convince Stacy to marry him? I'm sure at some point in their relationship/marriage Stacy questioned the circumstances surrounding Kathleen Savio's death, and Drew convinced her that Kathleen's death was an accidental drowning. Like his previous marriages, he puts up a front as being a loving, gentle man before his controlling and abusive personality shows up.