Monday May 18/09

[ellegna]

Candles for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...l=eng&gi=cayle



Caylee's Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/Gue...onId=121581033



Caylee's Law

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/cay...rom%20your%20b

[desmom]

Tomorrow is the motion hearing for:

Casey Lawyer Wants Civil Suit Tossed
Hearing Scheduled For May 19
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19472154/detail.html

I believe there is another hearing at toward the end of the week re Cindy answering questions for the civil suit.

ETA ~ Here it is: http://www.wesh.com/news/19471201/detail.html
Later in the week, another hearing is expected before Judge Jose Rodriguez to determine whether he will order the Anthonys to answer certain questions they would not in their depositions at the offices of Morgan and Morgan last month.

[Explorer]

Hi everyone, whats the word on how g&c did on Larry Kimg Live? Is their foudation raking in the cash? Anyone know?

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by desmom

Tomorrow is the motion hearing for:

Casey Lawyer Wants Civil Suit Tossed
Hearing Scheduled For May 19
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/19472154/detail.html

I believe there is another hearing at toward the end of the week re Cindy answering questions for the civil suit.

I dont think the civil suit will tossed.

[Explorer]

When g&c were on LKL and he asked them if they had any suspects, I just thought to myself they better not name anyone or there will be more lawsuits and depos. I dont think they want that

[desmom]

Families of Caylee and Haleigh gather
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news...s/051709_Vigil

"Whoever has her, I know you're watching. Please bring her home. Haleigh I love you. I won't ever give up on you." Seconds later, Crystal started to collapse.

Cindy knew exactly what to do. "I've been there. People have put chairs underneath me many times."

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by Dianna

The entire interview was posted last week. After a few posters calculated things up the best they could we came up with NO more than $3000. (If that) LKL was excellent while interviewing them. He asked some pretty tough questions and George and Cindy did squirm a bit.

Im mighty glad to hear that thanks.

[Lavinia]

Dick Tracy was asking about the discrepancy between the Google and Microsoft maps on whether their was housing behind the A's house last night/early this morning according to some images he brought up.

http://66.147.242.155/~brazdasf/hous...d-anthonys.htm

Look at the differing perspectives there are in those two images. One is much closer to their back yard than the other and so the water/woods area is "cropped"out of the other pic. I believe you would find the same housing in the 2 pics if you zoomed at the same concentration, IMO.

[BlueHeron]

whew, I almost missed the bus. bringing this over from the last thread cause I'm really interested in this one:

Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsHudson
I agree with you and it just makes me wonder why George and Cindy have not been indicted for at least the charge of lying to a police investigator. There is a lie because as you say someone from the A' home called Casey's cell at 7:45! So what the cops waiting for? They should charge them!!!

The call may be easy to explain away IF it's less than a minute or never answered, and it pings off the tower near the A home. I misplace my cell all the time, and call the number to locate it in the house. This could be what happened, or at least what they will say happened.

If however, a voicemail was left, or a conversation took place registering longer than a minute, or if her phone pinged off a tower showing she wasn't at home, then this will be significant.

Does anyone have more info about this call? How long did it last? Was her phone turned on, and what tower did it ping to at that time? If a voicemail was left, that would be soooo good! I think they (phone provider) might be able to retrieve it.

[*MoonRider*]

Originally Posted by BlueHeron

whew, I almost missed the bus. bringing this over from the last thread cause I'm really interested in this one:



The call may be easy to explain away IF it's less than a minute or never answered, and it pings off the tower near the A home. I misplace my cell all the time, and call the number to locate it in the house. This could be what happened, or at least what they will say happened.

If however, a voicemail was left, or a conversation took place registering longer than a minute, or if her phone pinged off a tower showing she wasn't at home, then this will be significant.

Does anyone have more info about this call? How long did it last? Was her phone turned on, and what tower did it ping to at that time? If a voicemail was left, that would be soooo good! I think they (phone provider) might be able to retrieve it.

GM. Here's the cell phone logs and pings. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...7Vsp9pYg&gid=0

[BlueHeron]

Originally Posted by *MoonRider*

GM. Here's the cell phone logs and pings. http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?k...7Vsp9pYg&gid=0

Would she ping off that Goldenrod tower if she was at home? Does anybody know?

[desmom]

Originally Posted by Lavinia

Dick Tracy was asking about the discrepancy between the Google and Microsoft maps on whether their was housing behind the A's house last night/early this morning according to some images he brought up.

http://66.147.242.155/~brazdasf/hous...d-anthonys.htm

Look at the differing perspectives there are in those two images. One is much closer to their back yard than the other and so the water/woods area is "cropped"out of the other pic. I believe you would find the same housing in the 2 pics if you zoomed at the same concentration, IMO.

Microsoft Live Search Maps shows Florence Harbor Drive, the name of the street behind the A's, as developed property.

Google Maps shows Florence Harbor as undeveloped property.

TerraServer maps from 2002 show the area as undeveloped property.

A search for Florence Harbor on google popped up several houses for sale or in foreclosure. The listings show the houses were built 2004 - 2006.

Hope this helps. jmo

[desmom]

Originally Posted by BlueHeron

Would she ping off that Goldenrod tower if she was at home? Does anybody know?

When I was following Trenton Duckett case, tower pings were discussed in depth in the media and on the boards. They way I understand it is the phone pings the closest tower. If the closest tower is overloaded/busy, the call will bounce to the next closest tower. I do not know if that is still true or not. jmo

ETA ~ I found this article: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17874799/detail.html

On Monday, June 16, Anthony's father, George Anthony, said he he saw his daughter and granddaughter leave his house at about 1 p.m.

"But if they did leave at that time, the cell records show they did not go far. Casey's cell phone communicated that afternoon through the same three cell towers she could reach from her home," Pipitone said.

At 1 p.m., Anthony made a 14-minute call to her boyfriend, Tony Lazzaro. At 1:44 p.m., she made a 36-minute call to her then-best friend, Amy Huizenga. At 2:52 p.m., there was an 11-minute call with ex-fiance Jesse Grund. All of the calls used cell towers that can be reached from her parents' home, Pipitone said.

[Lavinia]

Originally Posted by desmom

Microsoft Live Search Maps shows Florence Harbor Drive, the name of the street behind the A's, as developed property.

Google Maps shows Florence Harbor as undeveloped property.

TerraServer maps from 2002 show the area as undeveloped property.

A search for Florence Harbor on google popped up several houses for sale or in foreclosure. The listings show the houses were built 2004 - 2006.

Hope this helps. jmo

That does help, Desmom! I see where he's talking about now! I was comparing apple and oranges here. My boo-boo.

[BlueHeron]

Originally Posted by desmom

When I was following Trenton Duckett case, tower pings were discussed in depth in the media and on the boards. They way I understand it is the phone pings the closest tower. If the closest tower is overloaded/busy, the call will bounce to the next closest tower. I do not know if that is still true or not. jmo

ETA ~ I found this article: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17874799/detail.html

On Monday, June 16, Anthony's father, George Anthony, said he he saw his daughter and granddaughter leave his house at about 1 p.m.

"But if they did leave at that time, the cell records show they did not go far. Casey's cell phone communicated that afternoon through the same three cell towers she could reach from her home," Pipitone said.

At 1 p.m., Anthony made a 14-minute call to her boyfriend, Tony Lazzaro. At 1:44 p.m., she made a 36-minute call to her then-best friend, Amy Huizenga. At 2:52 p.m., there was an 11-minute call with ex-fiance Jesse Grund. All of the calls used cell towers that can be reached from her parents' home, Pipitone said.

Thanks. Then it seems this call is of little value to LE. Can easily be explained away as "I was looking for my phone". The thing that's interesting is that it has to be answered to register the minute, correct? That also is explainable I guess by saying she hit the answer button to shut the ringing off. Sigh...I was hoping for more.

[*MoonRider*]

Originally Posted by BlueHeron

Thanks. Then it seems this call is of little value to LE. Can easily be explained away as "I was looking for my phone". The thing that's interesting is that it has to be answered to register the minute, correct? That also is explainable I guess by saying she hit the answer button to shut the ringing off. Sigh...I was hoping for more.

Actually duration of call is in seconds.

[Myka]

good morning from Biloxi, Ms where we woke up to a cool 57 degrees!! We have had heat indexes of 95/96 temps with 90% humitiy and no rain in sight, so the cool weather is very welcomed

Dr Master's blog (at weatherunderground) is all a buzz about some much needed rain for Florida. Some models are calling for 5 inches or so.

I was wondering if Orlando gets pounded for 2 or 3 days, would the area where Caylee was found flood again?

[Scampi]

My thoughts on mommy and daddy lying and obstructing all thru this investigation, is that every instance will be brought out at trial in an effort by the Prosecutors to reveal how incredible george and cindy are as witnesses. It's a smart move by the State in not
charging them, imo.

I also think there is every indication both will be hostile witnesses and treated as such.

[Lavinia]

I got a response to my email from Cindy:

I have the complete backing of my family our friends, our church, my therapist, thousands of others who actually know something. Susan I am sorry you do not agree with what I am about but that is your problem, not mine. I can live with myself and I do not need to be handleed. I think that is your issue. You seem to want to handle this. Stop. You cannot. What I understand is that you believe one thing and I believe something else. That is ok. Our Pastors sermon today was about not caring what people think about you because the only one that matters is GOD. He knows what is in my heart. If you do not see it I can not help you. Because of my faith and what I have given back to our church our membership has grown by 1/3 in size. All new members have joined because I brought them there. God is the only one stronger, that I will listen to. Susan, I am grateful for your concern, if it is real then please blog about the National Vigil For Hope that I will be speaking at tonight. This is another good thing that came from my bullheadedness as you call it not to give up hope. Families are being helped. All I have to say.

From: ratched@<deleted>
To: cindy@dgator.com
Subject: Please accept help.
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:12:09 -0500

Your bullheadedness, control issues and apparent refusal to follow the advice of any professional that tries to "handle" you and advise you, is ruining your entire family and is surely putting your daughter's life in worse danger than if you had behaved in a dignified and honorable way from the beginning. WHAT PART OF THAT ARE YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING????

I am not a blogger who picks people apart. Actually, I have great empathy for the families of murderers because if has to be HORRIBLE for the parents. But all the ones I know of have some humility and don't act like obnoxious liars at every turn.

YOU'RE doing this Cindy. No one else. You have this whole thing run off in the ditch and you have little, if any time to change course.

Learn something from your mistakes or one day, when you finally get some personal insight which you seem to be woefully lacking, you will die from guilt because of what you've done.

You need help. Professional help. Someone stronger than you that won't allow you to bulldoze them, because that's how you roll. Full steam ahead, right or wrong, dammit. Maybe someone taught you that is a positive characteristic and may even appear as strength, but that is far from the truth.

I'm telling you all this, which sounds really mean, because I am SO frustrated with you. I know things can be so much better for you and your family in this HORRIFIC situation and I truly want you to take the opportunity to "fix" this. It's very difficult when someone refuses to see what everyone else can plainly see.

Susan <deleted>

[*MoonRider*]

Originally Posted by Myka

good morning from Biloxi, Ms where we woke up to a cool 57 degrees!! We have had heat indexes of 95/96 temps with 90% humitiy and no rain in sight, so the cool weather is very welcomed

Dr Master's blog (at weatherunderground) is all a buzz about some much needed rain for Florida. Some models are calling for 5 inches or so.

I was wondering if Orlando gets pounded for 2 or 3 days, would the area where Caylee was found flood again?

IIRC the neighbors that were interviewed said the area flooded every year. Thanks for the heads up on the rain. It is desperately needed in Florida.

[AMS]

Originally Posted by Scampi

My thoughts on mommy and daddy lying and obstructing all thru this investigation, is that every instance will be brought out at trial in an effort by the Prosecutors to reveal how incredible george and cindy are as witnesses. It's a smart move by the State in not
charging them, imo.

I also think there is every indication both will be hostile witnesses and treated as such.

Morning Scampi - what happenes when a witness is treated as a "hostile witness"?

Thanks.

[jammies]

Lav,

Cindy's faith apparently is in Cindy.

[Neffy]

Originally Posted by desmom

Families of Caylee and Haleigh gather
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news...s/051709_Vigil

"Whoever has her, I know you're watching. Please bring her home. Haleigh I love you. I won't ever give up on you." Seconds later, Crystal started to collapse.

Cindy knew exactly what to do. "I've been there. People have put chairs underneath me many times."

What can you say. Certainly no "ugly coping" from Crystal Sheffield.

[Neffy]

Originally Posted by jammies

Lav,

Cindy's faith apparently is in Cindy.

Yes, if we can talk more about Cindy and keep it about Cindy our concern will be real! GMAB!

[Lavinia]

Originally Posted by jammies

Lav,

Cindy's faith apparently is in Cindy.

Apparently. <sigh>

[Scampi]

Originally Posted by AMS

Morning Scampi - what happenes when a witness is treated as a "hostile witness"?

Thanks.

Morning A!! I knew it had something to do with how the Prosecutor could question them, so I looked it up to be sure. This explains it pretty good:


A hostile witness is a witness in a trial who testifies for the opposing party or a witness who offers adverse testimony to the calling party during direct examination.

A witness called by the opposing party is presumed hostile. A witness called by the direct examiner can be declared hostile by a judge, at the request of the examiner, when the witness' testimony is openly antagonistic or clearly prejudiced to the opposing party.

A party examining a hostile witness may question the witness as if in cross-examination, thus permitting the use of leading questions. A hostile witness is sometimes known as an adverse witness.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_witness

[*MoonRider*]

Originally Posted by Lavinia

Apparently. <sigh>

If only we could be as godlike as Cindy. It shows her manipulative grandiose sense of self. God doesn't like lying. imo

[Scampi]

Thanks for sharing that email Lavie. I cannot believe cindy is taking credit for increasing the membership in that church. I tell ya, the ego of this family knows absolutely no bounds.

The fact that cindy is responding to emails is a potential nightmare for her daughter's defense, imo.

[AMS]

Originally Posted by Scampi

Morning A!! I knew it had something to do with how the Prosecutor could question them, so I looked it up to be sure. This explains it pretty good:


A hostile witness is a witness in a trial who testifies for the opposing party or a witness who offers adverse testimony to the calling party during direct examination.

A witness called by the opposing party is presumed hostile. A witness called by the direct examiner can be declared hostile by a judge, at the request of the examiner, when the witness' testimony is openly antagonistic or clearly prejudiced to the opposing party.

A party examining a hostile witness may question the witness as if in cross-examination, thus permitting the use of leading questions. A hostile witness is sometimes known as an adverse witness.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_witness

Thank you ma'am. Oh yeah, they will be hostile witnesses.

imo

[ellegna]

Originally Posted by Scampi

My thoughts on mommy and daddy lying and obstructing all thru this investigation, is that every instance will be brought out at trial in an effort by the Prosecutors to reveal how incredible george and cindy are as witnesses. It's a smart move by the State in not
charging them, imo.

I also think there is every indication both will be hostile witnesses and treated as such.

Morning Scamp

Amazing how one State treats evidence tampering/obstruction compared to another State.

Sheila Michael, 52, was served with warrants Wednesday afternoon.

Aimee Michael, her daughter, has already admitted she caused the Easter Sunday crash on Camp Creek Parkway that killed two adults and three children. Police say Aimee left the scene in her BMW and told her mother about the crash two days later -- but no one with the family came forward. And, police say, Sheila Michael then helped Aimee pay a body shop repairman to fix the BMW's body damage.

http://www.11alive.com/news/local/st...129657&catid=3

IMO repairing a car to hide evidence is no different than cleaning, removing items and then wash. Casey's car was definitely a crime scene and Cindy/George had no business tampering with the car until LE/CSI arrived.

[breezie]

Originally Posted by AMS

Thank you ma'am. Oh yeah, they will be hostile witnesses.

imo

they are hostile people. I bet they are sickening sweet for Baez, though.

Anybody know the time for the hearing tomorrow?

[Xmygrits]

Originally Posted by Lavinia

Dick Tracy was asking about the discrepancy between the Google and Microsoft maps on whether their was housing behind the A's house last night/early this morning according to some images he brought up.

http://66.147.242.155/~brazdasf/hous...d-anthonys.htm

Look at the differing perspectives there are in those two images. One is much closer to their back yard than the other and so the water/woods area is "cropped"out of the other pic. I believe you would find the same housing in the 2 pics if you zoomed at the same concentration, IMO.

Good morning everyone!

The difference in the two map pics is the date each aerial was taken. A new subdivision was built behind their house a few years ago and property lines behind the A's house is seperated by what is called a swale, small ditch with grass.

Yesterday, I finally broke down and visited the sight where Caylee's remains were found. I walked the 19' down to where her skull was located just off of Suburban Drive. I went by the school then drove around the corner and down the street to the Anthony's house. Lee's black Mustang was out in front and all else was quiet. The house and yard look very unkept.

After this little trip it dawned on me...Take the jury by bus to the location were Caylee was thrown away, then drive them around to the house then back to the courthouse. This little trip removes ALL DOUBT!!!!!

[Scampi]

Originally Posted by ellegna

Morning Scamp

Amazing how one State treats evidence tampering/obstruction compared to another State.

Sheila Michael, 52, was served with warrants Wednesday afternoon.

Aimee Michael, her daughter, has already admitted she caused the Easter Sunday crash on Camp Creek Parkway that killed two adults and three children. Police say Aimee left the scene in her BMW and told her mother about the crash two days later -- but no one with the family came forward. And, police say, Sheila Michael then helped Aimee pay a body shop repairman to fix the BMW's body damage.

http://www.11alive.com/news/local/st...129657&catid=3

IMO repairing a car to hide evidence is no different than cleaning, removing items and then wash. Casey's car was definitely a crime scene and Cindy/George had no business tampering with the car until LE/CSI arrived.

Thanks for posting that Canada!! I think LE has given the anthonys some leeway for two reasons. They hoped to get evidence from them and they extended some compassion to them because they did lose Caylee. I don't think cindy and george appreciated it tho.

[cassidy]

Originally Posted by Lavinia

I got a response to my email from Cindy:

I have the complete backing of my family our friends, our church, my therapist, thousands of others who actually know something. Susan I am sorry you do not agree with what I am about but that is your problem, not mine. I can live with myself and I do not need to be handleed. I think that is your issue. You seem to want to handle this. Stop. You cannot. What I understand is that you believe one thing and I believe something else. That is ok. Our Pastors sermon today was about not caring what people think about you because the only one that matters is GOD. He knows what is in my heart. If you do not see it I can not help you. Because of my faith and what I have given back to our church our membership has grown by 1/3 in size. All new members have joined because I brought them there. God is the only one stronger, that I will listen to. Susan, I am grateful for your concern, if it is real then please blog about the National Vigil For Hope that I will be speaking at tonight. This is another good thing that came from my bullheadedness as you call it not to give up hope. Families are being helped. All I have to say.

>

***snipped***

All I can say is WOW! She is really full of herself huh?

[Scampi]

Originally Posted by Xmygrits

Good morning everyone!

The difference in the two map pics is the date each aerial was taken. A new subdivision was built behind their house a few years ago and property lines behind the A's house is seperated by what is called a swale, small ditch with grass.

Yesterday, I finally broke down and visited the sight where Caylee's remains were found. I walked the 19' down to where her skull was located just off of Suburban Drive. I went by the school then drove around the corner and down the street to the Anthony's house. Lee's black Mustang was out in front and all else was quiet. The house and yard look very unkept.

After this little trip it dawned on me...Take the jury by bus to the location were Caylee was thrown away, then drive them around to the house then back to the courthouse. This little trip removes ALL DOUBT!!!!!

Grits, can you tell me just how far her little skull was found from the street. I have never been clear on that measurement.

[Barbara fl.]

Originally Posted by BlueHeron

whew, I almost missed the bus. bringing this over from the last thread cause I'm really interested in this one:



The call may be easy to explain away IF it's less than a minute or never answered, and it pings off the tower near the A home. I misplace my cell all the time, and call the number to locate it in the house. This could be what happened, or at least what they will say happened.

If however, a voicemail was left, or a conversation took place registering longer than a minute, or if her phone pinged off a tower showing she wasn't at home, then this will be significant.

Does anyone have more info about this call? How long did it last? Was her phone turned on, and what tower did it ping to at that time? If a voicemail was left, that would be soooo good! I think they (phone provider) might be able to retrieve it.

Good morning everyone,


All it says is that "records show that a call was placed from the Anthony home to Caey's cell.......it doesn't say whether it was answered or not or if a voice mail was left.....

Like you said, it can be taken different ways....that she dialed her number to find her phone (which we probably all have done)..or that Cindy or George could have been concerned that Casey left the night before with Caylee and they were trying to make contact....

Also, the Anthony's did NOT answer the calls from Casey later that afternoon.....so, if they were worried, they would have answered...jmo

Now, Casey leaves a long time line as to when she supposedly dropped Caylee off on the 16th of june (between 9am and 1pm)...George claimed to have seen then leaving the house at 12:30pm that same day.....

Then Casey claims to have went to sawgrass apt's on the 16th to pick up Caylee between 5pm and 7pm....Records show that Casey tried to reach her parents between 3:03pm and 6:32PM and left a voice mail (don't know what was said) and she again calls the Anthony home at 7:06pm......she calls Amy at 7:20pm and is seen on video at Blockbusters with TonE at 8pm......

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Xmygrits

Good morning everyone!

The difference in the two map pics is the date each aerial was taken. A new subdivision was built behind their house a few years ago and property lines behind the A's house is seperated by what is called a swale, small ditch with grass.

Yesterday, I finally broke down and visited the sight where Caylee's remains were found. I walked the 19' down to where her skull was located just off of Suburban Drive. I went by the school then drove around the corner and down the street to the Anthony's house. Lee's black Mustang was out in front and all else was quiet. The house and yard look very unkept.

After this little trip it dawned on me...Take the jury by bus to the location were Caylee was thrown away, then drive them around to the house then back to the courthouse. This little trip removes ALL DOUBT!!!!!

Include a visit to the car and there you have it.

[AMS]

Originally Posted by Scampi

Thanks for posting that Canada!! I think LE has given the anthonys some leeway for two reasons. They hoped to get evidence from them and they extended some compassion to them because they did lose Caylee. I don't think cindy and george appreciated it tho.

I agree. As the A's keep yapping, more and more inconsistencies will come out. Their inability to keep quiet will help the state imo.

imo

[breezie]

Originally Posted by cassidy

***snipped***

All I can say is WOW! She is really full of herself huh?

I wonder when she joined that Church. She sure wasn't *Godly* towards folks when this began.

[*MoonRider*]

Originally Posted by Xmygrits

Good morning everyone!

The difference in the two map pics is the date each aerial was taken. A new subdivision was built behind their house a few years ago and property lines behind the A's house is seperated by what is called a swale, small ditch with grass.

Yesterday, I finally broke down and visited the sight where Caylee's remains were found. I walked the 19' down to where her skull was located just off of Suburban Drive. I went by the school then drove around the corner and down the street to the Anthony's house. Lee's black Mustang was out in front and all else was quiet. The house and yard look very unkept.

After this little trip it dawned on me...Take the jury by bus to the location were Caylee was thrown away, then drive them around to the house then back to the courthouse. This little trip removes ALL DOUBT!!!!!

I'm surprised the yard looked unkept. They do have so much time on their hands. When the media was out there they couldn't stay off the yard with their s and hoses. Wonder where they are getting their tans.