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[texasgal]

***yawn** ***stretch***

Good morning!! Every day I wake up and remember that he is in jail ... IS A GREAT DAY!!

[bkwits]

Originally Posted by emdragon

Can we let the system do it's job before we send him in to his death? He is in solitary because he hasn't been convicted of anything YET.

The man is pond scum but I have HUGH issues with drafting a law like this strictly to allow him to be prosecuted and the amount of his bail is far beyond the constitutions "reasonable bail" (i had read 20 million is that correct?)

How does he get a fair trial? people here are already wishing the jail would let the prisoners take him out. How do you find 12 people who can honestly be objective? Same problem that occurred with the other Peterson- (who I believe was guilty but just don't think his trial was fair)

I think the defense can poke holes in any new theory of Kathleen's death simply because it was colored by Stacy's disappearance.

I hope they really have their ducks in a row and didn't just jump the gun to prevent him from doing the reality show.

,

First off, I don't think he should really have bail. I hope the 20 mil stands although I think it will be lowered.

I agree that this pond scum has to have a fair trial (as fair as possible). I don't think the death penalty should be sought in this case. I agree the system should be allowed to work.

I wonder if the "Drew's Law" will hold up to the challenges in the Supreme Court. The case may be weak without Kathleen's testimony from the grave.

As for the reality show --- No, I don't believe that had any bearing on his arrest. HBO had already nixed Drew P appearing on that show. HBO said it would cancel the show before allowing DrewP to appear.

I sincerely hope that DrewP is convicted, however, we
have to follow the law of our land.

IMO

[Myka]

what was Drew's next victim, oh my bad, his current girlfriend's name?

Has she came out with a statement since his arrest?

[bkwits]

BTW, the idea that Drew killed Kathleen is not just since Stacy's disappearance. It has been around since Kathleen's death. My DIL works with a woman who knew both Kathleen and Drew and this woman says that "everyone thought he did it" when Kathleen died. Even DrewP's step brother said that everyone thought Drew killed Kathleen, and this was before Stacy went missing.

IMO

[vonna]

Originally Posted by texasgal

***yawn** ***stretch***

Good morning!! Every day I wake up and remember that he is in jail ... IS A GREAT DAY!!

I know the feeling!

[coffee1950j]

Originally Posted by Kathy*Rae

Hopefully the Savio and Cales families will file an emergency injunction to prevent those children having to move back in with DrewP if he does make bail.

I would be terrified he would do something to the whole household in order to stay out of jail.

We can all assume he isn't above killing if things aren't going his way...

OMG, I never even thought of that. But, IMO, I wouldn't put it past him either.

Very scary thought!

Hope the judge keeps them in mind when the bail hearing comes up.

[Spyder88]

Originally Posted by texasgal

***yawn** ***stretch***

Good morning!! Every day I wake up and remember that he is in jail ... IS A GREAT DAY!!

The only thing greater will be when he's put away good and proper and forever.

Imagine what that former "cop's" life will be like in the slammer! He won't stand a snowball's chance in hades unless he's put in solitary confinement for his own safety. That would kind of bum me out...

[sunstar]

Hi everybody!

Here's Nancy's preview for tonight ~

"The family of Drew Peterson's third wife, Kathleen Savio, speaks out after the ex-cop is indicted on first degree murder charges in her death. How did Savio die and where is Peterson's missing fourth wife, Stacy? Nancy Grace has all the latest breaking developments from court and jail, 8 & 10 p.m. ET on HLN."

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/




BBL ~ have to get back to work!

Originally Posted by omega

Let me be very clear here; I think Drew Peterson is a worm. I can't stand the guy, and I think his arrogance and smugness are a big part of the reason people are running around saying they think he killed Savio, and the last wife that's still missing.

However, I don't like the mentality behind those types of opinions. We live in a country that has a Judicial system in place. It's there for a reason. Is it perfect? No, it certainly isn't, but we do not allow "MOB RULE". That's what I getting out of some of these horrific posts.

IF the man did it, and there's evidence to prove it, and I hope there is, then he will be convicted. If not, he should walk free.

I absolutely believe that it's better to find 20 guilty men not-guilty in a court of law, than it is to find one innocent man guilty.

I hate the MOB RULE mentality. There is no place for it in a country like ours. I suggest we watch the judicial system go to work on Drew Peterson, and understand that unless one of us were in the house and saw Drew P. kill Savio, or his last wife, we really don't know what the real truth is. Just "thinking" he did it, really is unfair, and sort of ridiculous. Gut feelings have no place in our judicial system.

jmho

I don't know what constitutes a 'Mob Rule' mentality, but we are all entitled to our opinions. As we won't be on the jury I think we can voice our thoughts on the case. That's what a discussion board is all about.

[iluvmua]

Originally Posted by omega

Let me be very clear here; I think Drew Peterson is a worm. I can't stand the guy, and I think his arrogance and smugness are a big part of the reason people are running around saying they think he killed Savio, and the last wife that's still missing.

However, I don't like the mentality behind those types of opinions. We live in a country that has a Judicial system in place. It's there for a reason. Is it perfect? No, it certainly isn't, but we do not allow "MOB RULE". That's what I getting out of some of these horrific posts.

IF the man did it, and there's evidence to prove it, and I hope there is, then he will be convicted. If not, he should walk free.

I absolutely believe that it's better to find 20 guilty men not-guilty in a court of law, than it is to find one innocent man guilty.

I hate the MOB RULE mentality. There is no place for it in a country like ours. I suggest we watch the judicial system go to work on Drew Peterson, and understand that unless one of us were in the house and saw Drew P. kill Savio, or his last wife, we really don't know what the real truth is. Just "thinking" he did it, really is unfair, and sort of ridiculous. Gut feelings have no place in our judicial system.

jmho

imo, Drew's guilty

[Casecase]

I'm sorry I'm not up to speed on this case . . . is there any evidence that has come out yet besides his ex-wife's letter? I'm just wondering if a jury would convict if that's all there is and nothing to tie him to the crime scene.


IMO

[Anakerie]

Originally Posted by Casecase

I'm sorry I'm not up to speed on this case . . . is there any evidence that has come out yet besides his ex-wife's letter? I'm just wondering if a jury would convict if that's all there is and nothing to tie him to the crime scene.


IMO

We do not know yet what kind of evidence and testimony was presented to the Grand Jury. After all, it was the Grand Jury who issued the indictment so I am guessing they saw and heard more than just the letter from Kathleen.

I am sure we'll hear and see more evidence as the case progresses.

[bkwits]

Originally Posted by omega

Let me be very clear here; I think Drew Peterson is a worm. I can't stand the guy, and I think his arrogance and smugness are a big part of the reason people are running around saying they think he killed Savio, and the last wife that's still missing.

However, I don't like the mentality behind those types of opinions. We live in a country that has a Judicial system in place. It's there for a reason. Is it perfect? No, it certainly isn't, but we do not allow "MOB RULE". That's what I getting out of some of these horrific posts.

IF the man did it, and there's evidence to prove it, and I hope there is, then he will be convicted. If not, he should walk free.

I absolutely believe that it's better to find 20 guilty men not-guilty in a court of law, than it is to find one innocent man guilty.

I hate the MOB RULE mentality. There is no place for it in a country like ours. I suggest we watch the judicial system go to work on Drew Peterson, and understand that unless one of us were in the house and saw Drew P. kill Savio, or his last wife, we really don't know what the real truth is. Just "thinking" he did it, really is unfair, and sort of ridiculous. Gut feelings have no place in our judicial system.

jmho

Mob rule? Where is the mob? Just a bunch of fingers typing on a keyboard. Salem witch hunt? Isn't that a very far stretch? It seems that most posters here think he killed Kathleen and did something to Stacy. I live not that far from Bolingbrook, and from what I have heard, many (maybe most) people there think he killed Kathleen. We are allowed to have our opinions.

BTW, I think OJ killed his ex-wife and Ron Goldman. The jury disagreed and found him not guilty. Another jury, in a civil matter, found OJ guilty of causing Ron G.'s death....difference of opinion. I've got mine and you are allowed to have yours.

IMO

[True2Blues]

Originally Posted by Callie

I don't know what constitutes a 'Mob Rule' mentality, but we are all entitled to our opinions. As we won't be on the jury I think we can voice our thoughts on the case. That's what a discussion board is all about.

You're right, this isn't "Mob Rule", that's a ridiculous thing to say. This is a board where people come to talk about court cases and express their opinions. It shows that the opinion Drew Peterson is involved in his third wife's death and with his 4th wife's disappearance, is a wide spread one.

He's got only himself and his huge ego to blame for that. If he didn't keep putting himself in front of cameras, no one would know that much about him.

[kellabeck]

Originally Posted by omega

Let me be very clear here; I think Drew Peterson is a worm. I can't stand the guy, and I think his arrogance and smugness are a big part of the reason people are running around saying they think he killed Savio, and the last wife that's still missing.

However, I don't like the mentality behind those types of opinions. We live in a country that has a Judicial system in place. It's there for a reason. Is it perfect? No, it certainly isn't, but we do not allow "MOB RULE". That's what I getting out of some of these horrific posts.

SNIP

We aren't a mob. We are posters in cyberspace.

[True2Blues]

Originally Posted by kellabeck

We aren't a mob. We are posters in cyberspace.

Yeah! I don't even know how to make a torch and I don't own a pitchfork. (I do have a flashlight and a garden trowel, though.)

[AmndaRcknwth]

Originally Posted by Casecase

I'm sorry I'm not up to speed on this case . . . is there any evidence that has come out yet besides his ex-wife's letter? I'm just wondering if a jury would convict if that's all there is and nothing to tie him to the crime scene.


IMO

The second autopsy. It showed KS had been bruised, the natural conclusion is that she put up a fight or was beaten. Toxicology will likely be the "surprise" at trial if DP drugged her or used any sort of spray or breathing agent to subdue her.

The domestic calls. Some of them were just "he/she didn't return the boys on time" but some were because he allegedly broke into her (his former) home. In one call, Stacy and KS were going at it, Drew pinned KS to the ground and they arrested her in front of her kids.

Stacy's statements to Pastor Neil Schori. She told him she knew about DP killing Kitty. In other words, she knowingly provided an alibi to a murderer, according to Schori. Before she disappeared, Stacy spilled it to the pastor and he kept his mouth shut.

[AmndaRcknwth]

Originally Posted by omega

Perhaps you could supply your sources of all that information. I'd like to read up on this case. Thank you.

I agree with your opinion about a fair trial and I absolutely understand where you're coming from. That said, people have a lot of Drew-anger.

Most of what I know is what I've read from day one.

A Candy Rose is a great source for facts of this case.
http://acandyrose.com/

There are umpteen forums with sections devoted to it.

Here is a photo compilation:
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...io%20-%20Drew/

[Bobaloo]

Originally Posted by omega

******SNIPPED************

Are we supposed to be discussing her here?

We're discussing her father so I don't see why not. Plenty of discussion about anyone Casey Anthony ever knew in her whole life so I didn't think it was not allowed. Sorry.

[Mayasmimi]

I'm not so sure about the mob rule. In my heart of hearts? There is evidence. Remember yall....we don't know what LE knows. I'm just sitting on my hands...waiting. GJ is still meeting with regard to Stacy. We'll soon see. Please? Why would LE or the DA say anything? Will all come out at trial. Yeah...I said it.

I firmly believe there is evidence that Drew Peterson murdered Kathleen Savio Peterson and Stacy Cales Peterson. LE is not playing.

BTW....Scott Peterson is on death row.....circumstancial evidence? Remember??????

For the life of me, I just don't understand why people don't get that (or don't want to). No worries. Drew is only a celebrity in his mind. THAT will never change. Betcha Scott thinks so, as did OJ.

Nope.

[Taybug]

Originally Posted by omega

Thank you so much! I'll do some reading.

Yes, there is a lot of Drew-anger, and I don't really understand it. Unless someone has a personal connection to even one of the parties involved, it seems a little strange to me. However, once he is tried, and, if convicted, then the anger is understandable. How can one be angry about something that hasn't been proven true yet?? I don't get it. That's why we have trials, I thought.

All that "gut feeling" and "I just know" stuff, makes no sense at all. I guess that's why we have a judicial system in place, otherwise, it's pretty clear what would happen, and it isn't good.

jmho

What you just said blew me away. I'm even a little upset by it. Why? Because when you honestly feel like someone was involved in another person's murder, I think it's natural to feel a bit of anger towards that person. I agree with a lot of what you said earlier about a fair trial and such, but I still stand by MY OPINION that Drew Peterson had something to do with (if not the sole reason/person) Kathleen Savio's death and Stacy Peterson's disappearance. I don't know how anyone who thinks he did could NOT feel anger towards that man. He's disgusting and arrogant.

How do you figure that someone has to have a connection to someone to feel certain emotions? I think if that were the case none of us would be here discussing missing and/or murdered children and adults we do not know. So, though you are entitled to your own opinion, I highly disagree with that statement.

MOO

[kellabeck]

IIRC (and this is from my memory and I can't link to my brain, so don't ask), the second autopsy contained everything that was in the first autopsy. The difference is that the ME made the conclusion in the second and in the first, a different system was in place. At the time of the first autopsy, the coroner made his examination and submitted his info to a coroner's jury and they are the one who made the determination. This was a group of laypeople including a friend/coworker of Drew's (!!) who assured the others that Drew would never hurt his ex.
One or more members of this jury has/have spoken out, saying that they believed the options they had did not include "undetermined" and that's how they would have found rather than "accidental."

And on another front, Stephen Peterson, the oldest son has issued a statement supposedly on behalf of all the children professing their total belief in DrewP's innocence. His victims. He has so many victims.

[kellabeck]

Originally Posted by lizziegirl

respectfully snipped for space

Morning, kellabeck. Could you point me in the direction of that statement? I'd love to read it. TIA

I just posted a link!

[bkwits]

Originally Posted by kellabeck

I just posted a link!

Thank you Kellabeck.

[bkwits]

Yes, we are guaranteed the right to express our opinions about this case. I suppose DrewP could sue for defaming his character....ROFLMAO. He did manage to get the FindStacy board shut down. But of course that was BEFORE he was charged with murder of Kathleen.

Many times the weight of public opinion can cause LE to act or react. The press is a valuable asset to American freedom. Such freedom is also guaranteed by our Constitution. The press and public opinion has worked to accused and convicted persons' advantage at times, to keep overzealous LE and DAs in line. We've had several wrongfully convicted men released from death row here in IL. One columnist Eric Zorn (Chicago Tribune) wrote repeatedly about the convictions of two young men, Cruz and Hernandez, both were sentenced to die (three trials for Cruz), even though another man had confessed and the evidence did not match Cruz and Hernandez. The real killer of the 10 year old girl, Brian Dugan, was found guilty by DNA and his confession.

I don't think we have to apologize for having opinions or dissection of the case and the evidence. Anyone is free to challenge our opinions. If anyone wants to defend the accused Drew P, then come on. But alas, there is always someone out there who wants to shame and point fingers. Let's remember there are victims in this case. They should have rights as well.

JMO.

[Toggie]

Originally Posted by omega

***********SNIPPED TO SAVE BANDWITH*********

Maybe there's evidence, and maybe there isn't. Time will tell. The thing is we really don't know, so until he is tried, he remains innocent untril proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

He's a worm, but a worm who is entitled to the same rights we all have.

jmho

Kathleen had rights to and someone, IMO, killed her.

Kathleen reached out for help against her ex LEO husband and was ignored. No one gave a flip about her right to safety and now she's 6 ft. under and her kids are without their mother. Stacy's kids too.

Screw Drew - I think he's guilty of Kathleen's death and Stacy's disappearance.

[AmndaRcknwth]

The Will County Sheriff was on a radio program and said he's known Drew for years and Drew was always like that, a joker.

I did not know Drew got the Stacy website taken down, is that true? How did he do that?

I organized more this morning and it isn't perfect, but makes a little more sense... the pics saved, that is... not the murders.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...io%20-%20Drew/

[bkwits]

Originally Posted by AmndaRcknwth

The Will County Sheriff was on a radio program and said he's known Drew for years and Drew was always like that, a joker.

I did not know Drew got the Stacy website taken down, is that true? How did he do that?

I organized more this morning and it isn't perfect, but makes a little more sense... the pics saved, that is... not the murders.
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/m...io%20-%20Drew/

The findstacypeterson was a message board that many local people (as well as others posted on). There was an ex-husband of a Stacy relative that posted interesting info. I went to look for the webiste and the posting part of it is gone. I believe the info about Drew's lawyers complaining about it defaming Drew was on Acandyrose, but am not sure. I will look for it.

[bkwits]

Originally Posted by bkwits

The findstacypeterson was a message board that many local people (as well as others posted on). There was an ex-husband of a Stacy relative that posted interesting info. I went to look for the webiste and the posting part of it is gone. I believe the info about Drew's lawyers complaining about it defaming Drew was on Acandyrose, but am not sure. I will look for it.

Here's the link.

http://www.prnewschannel.com/absolut...tes/?a=548&z=4

DrewP filed complaints with the FBI and local authorities. The site was invading his privacy. ROFL. Like he is not seeking to put his private life out there for everyone to see...tours of his house...putting his small children on TV...trying to get "A Date with Drew" on a radio show...telling reporters that he is engaged...on and on and on.

Originally Posted by omega

*****SNIPPED TO SAVE BANDWITH****

What people "think" has nothing to do with anything. That's why we have a judicial system in place., and everyone is entitled to a fair trial. That isn't a completely foreign concept, is it? I couldn't care less what anyone thinks. I care about the evidence in a case, and the trial being conducted in a fair manner.
jmho

He must remain innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt IN THE MINDS OF THE JURORS. He's already seen by the prosecution as being guilty that's why they're taking him to trial.

Here you have 2 women married to the same man, both in fear of their lives as was expressed to people they knew. One's dead, the other missing. Duh

Now, you have a new autopsy on the wife deceased that states that the manner of death is homicide.

What the jury will "think" after hearing the case DOES matter.

The right to express one's opinion and belief isn't a completely foreign concept either, is it?

[Stella Rose]

The Peterson Trifecta is complete. Peterson East: Guilty! Peterson West: Guilty! Peterson Central: (hope to be found) Guilty!

Just the thought of sitting through another Peterson trial. Wow. And a Kathleen as a victim. Strange.

Bye, Drewpy. You will not be missed. Glad your most recent (soon to be) victim escaped unharmed.

Originally Posted by Taybug

What you just said blew me away. I'm even a little upset by it. Why? Because when you honestly feel like someone was involved in another person's murder, I think it's natural to feel a bit of anger towards that person. I agree with a lot of what you said earlier about a fair trial and such, but I still stand by MY OPINION that Drew Peterson had something to do with (if not the sole reason/person) Kathleen Savio's death and Stacy Peterson's disappearance. I don't know how anyone who thinks he did could NOT feel anger towards that man. He's disgusting and arrogant.

How do you figure that someone has to have a connection to someone to feel certain emotions? I think if that were the case none of us would be here discussing missing and/or murdered children and adults we do not know. So, though you are entitled to your own opinion, I highly disagree with that statement.

MOO

[bkwits]

Originally Posted by Callie

He must remain innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt IN THE MINDS OF THE JURORS. He's already seen by the prosecution as being guilty that's why they're taking him to trial.

Here you have 2 women married to the same man, both in fear of their lives as was expressed to people they knew. One's dead, the other missing. Duh

Now, you have a new autopsy on the wife deceased that states that the manner of death is homicide.

What the jury will "think" after hearing the case DOES matter.

The right to express one's opinion and belief isn't a completely foreign concept either, is it?

Good points, but they are probably lost on those who like to get on their high horses and ride around criticizing others for "thinking" and having opinions. Ignore is a good feature on this board.

IMO

Originally Posted by bkwits

Good points, but they are probably lost on those who like to get on their high horses and ride around criticizing others for "thinking" and having opinions. Ignore is a good feature on this board.

IMO

Thank you, bkwits. I was just reading your post #40. Good one! Also, in some cases, it was the families and the public who complained to LE about someone guilty of a crime that LE wasn't doing anything about (didn't feel they had enough evidence for conviction is their usual excuse) until they finally got off their duffs and took the person to trial.

[bkwits]

Originally Posted by omega

So, if one does not agree with your opinion, and chooses to continue having great faith in the U.S. Constitution, and the Rights of others, they are on their high horse criticizing? Do I have that right?

I am neither on a horse, nor am I criticizing. I posted my opinion in reply to the posts of others; exactly what message boards are all about.

One is not required to agree with the masses. By the way, my posts have been simple; I don't know if DP killed anyone, or not. I wasn't there, and while I really can't stand the guy, I am always mindful of the U.S. Constitution, and the Rights afforded to everyone, including all of us.

Sorry, if that's a problem for anyone, but I'm not going to change the principles I believe in for anyone.

jmho

Oh, I didn't address my post to you, but if the horseshoe fits.......

[True2Blues]

Originally Posted by Callie

He must remain innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt IN THE MINDS OF THE JURORS. He's already seen by the prosecution as being guilty that's why they're taking him to trial.

Here you have 2 women married to the same man, both in fear of their lives as was expressed to people they knew. One's dead, the other missing. Duh

Now, you have a new autopsy on the wife deceased that states that the manner of death is homicide.

What the jury will "think" after hearing the case DOES matter.

The right to express one's opinion and belief isn't a completely foreign concept either, is it?

Of course not. Drew Peterson's rights are in no way being affected by the discussion on this board. Most of us are in different states and none of us have any control over the judicial system in Illinois.

As you so rightly say, Innocent until proven Guilty is for the court, that's why all prospective jurors are questioned as to their knowledge of a crime and any preconceived notions about a defendant.

Peterson has all of his rights, we have all of our opinions.

[bkwits]

Originally Posted by True2Blues

Of course not. Drew Peterson's rights are in no way being affected by the discussion on this board. Most of us are in different states and none of us have any control over the judicial system in Illinois.

As you so rightly say, Innocent until proven Guilty is for the court, that's why all prospective jurors are questioned as to their knowledge of a crime and any preconceived notions about a defendant.

Peterson has all of his rights, we have all of our opinions.

I agree. If no one should claim that someone is guilty of murder how can he or she be charged? The DA is saying this person is guilty when he is indicted. The GJ says this person is likely guilty if it indicts. The trial is held to prove or disprove one's guilt or innocence. The trial is not necessarily the end of the line. A guilty verdict can be appealed.

That whole point is totally ridiculous and it comes up in nearly crime every board that I've on. Now if someone wants to defend DrewP on this board. That might be an interesting discussion. But just to point the finger and cry shame, shame is really kind of childish. IMO

[True2Blues]

Originally Posted by bkwits

I agree. If no one should claim that someone is guilty of murder how can he or she be charged? The DA is saying this person is guilty when he is indicted. The GJ says this person is likely guilty if it indicts. The trial is held to prove or disprove one's guilt or innocence. The trial is not necessarily the end of the line. A guilty verdict can be appealed.

That whole point is totally ridiculous and it comes up in nearly crime every board that I've on. Now if someone wants to defend DrewP on this board. That might be an interesting discussion. But just to point the finger and cry shame, shame is really kind of childish. IMO

You're right, it always comes up. An accusation that people using their right to free speech are somehow impinging on the rights of the accused by voicing an opinion on a message board.

I will not be invited to be on the Peterson jury, as I live in another state, and even if I were, I'd let them know I already had an opinion in the matter. Since the Illinois Court System has never called and asked me to make any decisions for them, I don't expect any calls now. I can guarantee that DP has no reason to fear for his rights because of me.

[koawally]

Originally Posted by Dianna

I thought I had a fly swatter around here somewhere.

In any event fellow DP watchers, I know he killed both woman.
Kathleen and Stacy...All we need is 12 honest hardworking jurors to come to a decision and we can kiss him bye bye...

Love what Cassandra said of DP's arrest:
Cassandra Cales, Stacy Peterson's sister, in court for Drew Peterson's appearance, said, "It made me feel good to see him chained up like the dog that he is."

[True2Blues]

Originally Posted by omega

AT no time have I ever said DP has lost his Rights. In fact, what I've been saying is, he does have Rights, and it's important we all remember that. Just a post on a message board with my opinion. Nothing more.

jmho

I've never forgotten it, nor has anyone else that I've seen. We all believe that he should be brought to trial and we are waiting for that to happen.

"Innocent until Proven Guilty" applies to the court, not the general public.