What is going on with this forum?

[sensible]

Just as I joined this thread it seemed to go dead. I haven't seen a new post since May 3 and all the threads are closed. What is the story?

Originally Posted by sensible

Just as I joined this thread it seemed to go dead. I haven't seen a new post since May 3 and all the threads are closed. What is the story?

A gag order has been issued by the court. There's nothing new to discuss ATM. Once the trial starts, it'll heat up again.

The posters on this forum prefer a daily/weekly general discussion thread. Once the trial starts there may be specific issues that will prompt an individual thread, but until then there aren't many specifics, just the overview of the case we knew within the first few days.

Hope this helps.

See ya once the trial (most likely I think) gets going or a plea deal is reached.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally Posted by interested

A gag order has been issued by the court. There's nothing new to discuss ATM. Once the trial starts, it'll heat up again.

The posters on this forum prefer a daily/weekly general discussion thread. Once the trial starts there may be specific issues that will prompt an individual thread, but until then there aren't many specifics, just the overview of the case we knew within the first few days.

Hope this helps.

See ya once the trial (most likely I think) gets going or a plea deal is reached.

Hi, interested.

The boy plead the case out way back in February, iirc.

The hearings are still continuing and disposition of the case has yet to be finalized.

imo

Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

Hi, interested.

The boy plead the case out way back in February, iirc.

The hearings are still continuing and disposition of the case has yet to be finalized.

imo

TY GB, how sad is it when you can confuse two cases of children killing their parental figure.

[eagargal]

Originally Posted by sensible

Just as I joined this thread it seemed to go dead. I haven't seen a new post since May 3 and all the threads are closed. What is the story?

Hi sensible,

There are several recent documents posted on the Apache Co courthouse website relating to the April 30th hearing:

http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/docs/

There is also a news article in the local paper regarding the hearing:

http://www.wmicentral.com/site/news....d=506182&rfi=6

The next status hearing is currently slated for May 21st.

[VictimHelp]

Eagergal, can you believe Eryn had the gaul to request home schooling for CR? I can't believe the BS that she says she has been home schooling him! Thank goodness Roca is finally making him go to school at the detention center!

[dgfred]

Why would it make any difference to you whatsoever if he is getting schooled at home with the help of others and tutors? All agree he can't be at a public school, now he can't be schooled at home... only at the detention center is ok with you? Right... that makes sense . He should get any and all the education available to him however he can.

[VictimHelp]

Originally Posted by dgfred

Why would it make any difference to you whatsoever if he is getting schooled at home with the help of others and tutors? All agree he can't be at a public school, now he can't be schooled at home... only at the detention center is ok with you? Right... that makes sense . He should get any and all the education available to him however he can.

It makes a BIG difference....because his mom will do nothing to educate him, IMO. At least he will now get schooling!

[dgfred]

Originally Posted by VictimHelp

It makes a BIG difference....because his mom will do nothing to educate him, IMO. At least he will now get schooling!

Yeah I've noticed how concerned you are about his education .

[GentleBreeze]

Originally Posted by Fep

The mom must be pretty smart. She has been using teaching material from another state but has enough knowledge to know that each state requires their own curriculum which I'm sure needs to be used to teach in order for the child to get credit in Az. She simply asked for help with what is required in AZ/St.Johns.

I hope there is not anyone fool enough to go to a "message board" to help a child get an education. Ha....Now that is the joke for the year.

It's pretty clear the childs education is important to all who are actually involved. Including his mother...I don't think the classes will continue at the detention center. They may only lasted a few days...I can't remember how it was handled but there was a problem with the detention center's rule of searching him each day. I'm glad the courts have enough concern to know it's a problem.

There isn't a problem there. They aren't going to physically search him for weapons. They will just use their wand metal detector and will pass it over him when he comes in....like is done in many courthouses or justice systems.

He wont get any credit for his schooling but at least he will be be going to school.

She cant be too smart. JR took his schooling out of her hands and stated he would come to the detention center instead.

imo

[VictimHelp]

Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

There isn't a problem there. They aren't going to physically search him for weapons. They will just use their wand metal detector and will pass it over him when he comes in....like is done in many courthouses or justice systems.

He wont get any credit for his schooling but at least he will be be going to school.

She cant be too smart. JR took his schooling out of her hands and stated he would come to the detention center instead.

imo

I agree....to me it was just a ploy by her to keep him home...obviously she has no teaching experience...Roca acted in the child's best interest to get some schooling for the boy, albeit late in coming!

[garcia]

Originally Posted by VictimHelp

I agree....to me it was just a ploy by her to keep him home...obviously she has no teaching experience...Roca acted in the child's best interest to get some schooling for the boy, albeit late in coming!

I don't think the boy did it....but I don't think Eryn is qualified to home school him, so either she needs a teacher to home school him or he needs to get his education at the detention facility

[VictimHelp]

CR needs to attend classes daily at the detention center, or his mom will neglect his schooling, IMO. I think she was trying to pawn off her responsibilities on some home visit teacher. Judge Roca did what was in the best interest of the child, school at the detention facility.

[stampgal]

Originally Posted by VictimHelp

CR needs to attend classes daily at the detention center, or his mom will neglect his schooling, IMO. I think she was trying to pawn off her responsibilities on some home visit teacher. Judge Roca did what was in the best interest of the child, school at the detention facility.

Pawn off her responsibilities??? What are you talking about???

This is such old news that CR is going to the detention center for schooling.

[stampgal]

Originally Posted by garcia

I don't think the boy did it....but I don't think Eryn is qualified to home school him, so either she needs a teacher to home school him or he needs to get his education at the detention facility

I don't think she is qualified to home school him either. She is not a certified teacher, therefore she knew she had to get schooling for him. This had been going on for months.

[garcia]

Originally Posted by Fep

Thank you for all your posts. ITA
IMHOO the mother can only be commended. (in reality)
fep

I'm not saying Eryn is a saint or sinner...but I don't see why she should be commended for not schooling the boy, until recently.

[VictimHelp]

IMO, Eryn is already being manipulated by CR as he has manipulated his teachers, other students and his family. It's in his nature. It's in his history.

He is manipulating Eryn to get him out of classes at juvenile so he can plain and simply watch cartoons at home, and not take any responsibilty for his schooling.

IMO, I think this boy will tell everyone and anyone whatever story he concocts so that others will "like" him or feel "sorry" for him. So they can get him out of classes, he'll tell stories about his dad and stepmom to portray them as evil. He'll tell stories about the cops to make them look bad. I think I wouldn't trust one word out of this boy's mouth.

[eagargal]

Originally Posted by VictimHelp

Eagergal, can you believe Eryn had the gaul to request home schooling for CR? I can't believe the BS that she says she has been home schooling him! Thank goodness Roca is finally making him go to school at the detention center!

Well, yes. Per ARS 15-802, it is the responsibility of the custodial parent to ensure that their child is attending school; either in a public or private school or through a home schooling program. Since CR has not yet been sentenced, it is up to her to abide by the statute. Appealing to the court for help in home schooling CR is appealing to the wrong venue.

It is alarmingly easy to home school a child in AZ. Per ARS 15-802, A parent need only file an affidavit of intent with the county school superintendent stating that the child is being provided with instruction in a home school. The affidavit of intent shall include:

(a) The child's name.

(b) The child's date of birth.

(c) The current address of the school the child is attending.

(d) The names, telephone numbers and addresses of the persons who currently have custody of the child.

The affidavit of intent shall be filed within thirty days from the time the child begins to attend a home school and is not required thereafter unless the the home school instruction is terminated and then resumed. The person who has custody of the child shall notify the county school superintendent within thirty days of the termination that the child is no longer being instructed at a home school. If the home school instruction is resumed, the person who has custody of the child shall file another affidavit of intent with the county school superintendent within thirty days.

Also, there are no teaching qualifications required of the person(s) providing the home schooling instruction and the only curriculum requirement in AZ is that the child be taught the subjects of reading, grammar, mathematics, social studies and science. There are no testing or reporting requirements to prove to the state education board that the child is being given grade-appropriate, adequate instruction. The only reckoning to be had would occur if and when the child is placed in a formal schooling environment, at which time he/she would have equivalency tests to determine grade placement.

Also per ARS 15-802, a parent of a child between six and sixteen years of age or a person who has custody of a child, who does not provide instruction in a home school and who fails to enroll or fails to ensure that the child attends a public, private or charter school is guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor. A parent who fails to comply with the duty to file an affidavit of intent to provide instruction in a home school is guilty of a petty offense.

So, really all Eryn had to do was file the affidavit once CR had been released to her care in January. Beyond that, there are no other requirements for home schooling in AZ. That the courts decided to take over CR's schooling and will now require him to attend at the juvenile center implies that she may have been remiss in following through on this one simple requirement. IMO.

Interestingly, Eryn's divorce trial is slated to start in NM on May 21st, the same day as CR's next status hearing. She is a busy girl. IMO.

[VictimHelp]

Originally Posted by eagargal

Well, yes. Per ARS 15-802, it is the responsibility of the custodial parent to ensure that their child is attending school; either in a public or private school or through a home schooling program. Since CR has not yet been sentenced, it is up to her to abide by the statute. Appealing to the court for help in home schooling CR is appealing to the wrong venue.

It is alarmingly easy to home school a child in AZ. Per ARS 15-802, A parent need only file an affidavit of intent with the county school superintendent stating that the child is being provided with instruction in a home school. The affidavit of intent shall include:

(a) The child's name.

(b) The child's date of birth.

(c) The current address of the school the child is attending.

(d) The names, telephone numbers and addresses of the persons who currently have custody of the child.

The affidavit of intent shall be filed within thirty days from the time the child begins to attend a home school and is not required thereafter unless the the home school instruction is terminated and then resumed. The person who has custody of the child shall notify the county school superintendent within thirty days of the termination that the child is no longer being instructed at a home school. If the home school instruction is resumed, the person who has custody of the child shall file another affidavit of intent with the county school superintendent within thirty days.

Also, there are no teaching qualifications required of the person(s) providing the home schooling instruction and the only curriculum requirement in AZ is that the child be taught the subjects of reading, grammar, mathematics, social studies and science. There are no testing or reporting requirements to prove to the state education board that the child is being given grade-appropriate, adequate instruction. The only reckoning to be had would occur if and when the child is placed in a formal schooling environment, at which time he/she would have equivalency tests to determine grade placement.

Also per ARS 15-802, a parent of a child between six and sixteen years of age or a person who has custody of a child, who does not provide instruction in a home school and who fails to enroll or fails to ensure that the child attends a public, private or charter school is guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor. A parent who fails to comply with the duty to file an affidavit of intent to provide instruction in a home school is guilty of a petty offense.

So, really all Eryn had to do was file the affidavit once CR had been released to her care in January. Beyond that, there are no other requirements for home schooling in AZ. That the courts decided to take over CR's schooling and will now require him to attend at the juvenile center implies that she may have been remiss in following through on this one simple requirement. IMO.

Interestingly, Eryn's divorce trial is slated to start in NM on May 21st, the same day as CR's next status hearing. She is a busy girl. IMO.

I think she'll lose custody of that kid too. If it were me, that kid would have had schooling the minute he was released, and I wouldn't have moved in with a felon, but that's just me. So I don't commend her for the FINE job she has done with her children.

[garcia]

The courts need tp decide what is in the best interest of the boy and what is in the best interest of the community, IMO.

[stampgal]

Originally Posted by garcia

I'm not saying Eryn is a saint or sinner...but I don't see why she should be commended for not schooling the boy, until recently.

Eryn has been home schooling CR (without credentials) since he was released. The St. John's school district provided all the assignments for the rest of the year.

Does anyone really think she sat idlly by waiting for that lame county to provide his education.

What I find rather sad is that every other juvenile that is school through the juvenile system gets credit for their schooling...why again is CR subject to a different set of rules.

http://www.co.apache.az.us/Departmen.../Detention.htm

The Apache County Juvenile Detention Center opened its doors for business in January of 2002. The facility was built using jail district funds. The detention center is a thirteen bed facility. The facility is open twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week. There are eleven full time employees, five part time employees and one full time school teacher working at the facility. The Goals Achievement Center is an accredited school and all credits that juveniles earn in our school transfer back to the juveniles regular attended school. We are very proud of our school accreditation, this is an accomplishment that we have been working on for a long time.

[stampgal]

Originally Posted by VictimHelp

I think she'll lose custody of that kid too. If it were me, that kid would have had schooling the minute he was released, and I wouldn't have moved in with a felon, but that's just me. So I don't commend her for the FINE job she has done with her children.

Again...with the felon. The article said as soon as she found out she was gone.

.

[stampgal]

Originally Posted by VictimHelp

IMO, Eryn is already being manipulated by CR as he has manipulated his teachers, other students and his family. It's in his nature. It's in his history.

He is manipulating Eryn to get him out of classes at juvenile so he can plain and simply watch cartoons at home, and not take any responsibilty for his schooling.

IMO, I think this boy will tell everyone and anyone whatever story he concocts so that others will "like" him or feel "sorry" for him. So they can get him out of classes, he'll tell stories about his dad and stepmom to portray them as evil. He'll tell stories about the cops to make them look bad. I think I wouldn't trust one word out of this boy's mouth.

He is 9 years old. You give him a whole lot of credit.

[stampgal]

Actually he is technically out on furlough and it is the county's responsibility to provide his education. I believe Eryn is doing the best she can under the situation she is in.
She cannot work because she has "custodial" supervison of him right. She cannot afford a private tutor, the state/county failed to provide what they said they would per the MOA. She cannot even collect food stamps because CR is technically in the custoy of the state.
VH...exactly what is it you would like this woman to do?

[eagargal]

Originally Posted by stampgal

Actually he is technically out on furlough and it is the county's responsibility to provide his education. I believe Eryn is doing the best she can under the situation she is in.
She cannot work because she has "custodial" supervison of him right. She cannot afford a private tutor, the state/county failed to provide what they said they would per the MOA. She cannot even collect food stamps because CR is technically in the custoy of the state.
VH...exactly what is it you would like this woman to do?

Per ARS 8-371:
Juveniles who are subject to the supervision of a probation officer pursuant to an order of the juvenile court, or who are otherwise eligible for conditional liberty from the department of juvenile corrections, shall, as a condition of probation or liberty, be required to do the following:

-Attend school in order to obtain vocational training or to achieve an appropriate educational level as prescribed in consultation with the school the juvenile attends by the juvenile's probation officer or by the department of juvenile corrections. If the juvenile fails to attend school regularly, maintain appropriate school behavior, or make satisfactory progress as determined in consultation with the school by the probation officer or department of juvenile corrections the following will apply:

(a) If the juvenile court retains jurisdiction, the juvenile court shall take appropriate action to enforce, modify or revoke its order granting probation.

(b) If the department of juvenile corrections retains jurisdiction, the department shall act to enforce, modify or revoke its order granting conditional liberty.

While CR is on liberty, he is required to go to school and his custodial parent is required to ensure that that happens, not the state. Once he is sentenced and the intensive probation begins, the state will take responsibility for his schooling. Since the court is now requiring him to attend school at the juvenile detention center, it would appear JR is modifying the terms of CR's liberty.

My point in my previous post was that all Eryn had to do was file the affidavit of intent to home-school CR with the school superintendent. How and when she taught CR was entirely up to her and was perfectly legal, as long as the affidavit was filed. If she is not working, she should have ample time to home-school CR.

AZ makes it extremely easy to home-school a child. The only time a child's home-schooling experience would be challenged is if and when the child enrolled in a traditional school, be it elementary, high-school or college, and the challenge would only consist of exams to determine placement. If Eryn is already home-schooling CR, she is fulfilling the requirement and can't really expect the state to provide special circumstances for her child when thousands of AZ parents home-school their kids with their own resources.

This is part of the punishment process. CR has pled guilty to a violent crime and because of that he is no longer welcome at his school or, apparently, any other school in the area. I know you think it is harsh, but it is the reality of the situation and happens to people all of the time who are convicted of a crime. People hire lawyers, are found guilty and not only have to pay for the crime but also have to pay their lawyers, abide by the laws and deal with the hidden "cost" of the crime, i.e., the loss of income, status and/or community privilege. Eryn and the Romero family bear the burden of CR's actions and have to find ways to deal with it.

I hope someday CR fully understands the impact of his actions. IMO.

[dgfred]

Maybe LE and St Johns should feel the impact of THEIR actions or lack thereof too!

[stampgal]

Originally Posted by eagargal

Per ARS 8-371:
Juveniles who are subject to the supervision of a probation officer pursuant to an order of the juvenile court, or who are otherwise eligible for conditional liberty from the department of juvenile corrections, shall, as a condition of probation or liberty, be required to do the following:

-Attend school in order to obtain vocational training or to achieve an appropriate educational level as prescribed in consultation with the school the juvenile attends by the juvenile's probation officer or by the department of juvenile corrections. If the juvenile fails to attend school regularly, maintain appropriate school behavior, or make satisfactory progress as determined in consultation with the school by the probation officer or department of juvenile corrections the following will apply:

(a) If the juvenile court retains jurisdiction, the juvenile court shall take appropriate action to enforce, modify or revoke its order granting probation.

(b) If the department of juvenile corrections retains jurisdiction, the department shall act to enforce, modify or revoke its order granting conditional liberty.

While CR is on liberty, he is required to go to school and his custodial parent is required to ensure that that happens, not the state. Once he is sentenced and the intensive probation begins, the state will take responsibility for his schooling. Since the court is now requiring him to attend school at the juvenile detention center, it would appear JR is modifying the terms of CR's liberty.

My point in my previous post was that all Eryn had to do was file the affidavit of intent to home-school CR with the school superintendent. How and when she taught CR was entirely up to her and was perfectly legal, as long as the affidavit was filed. If she is not working, she should have ample time to home-school CR.

AZ makes it extremely easy to home-school a child. The only time a child's home-schooling experience would be challenged is if and when the child enrolled in a traditional school, be it elementary, high-school or college, and the challenge would only consist of exams to determine placement. If Eryn is already home-schooling CR, she is fulfilling the requirement and can't really expect the state to provide special circumstances for her child when thousands of AZ parents home-school their kids with their own resources.

This is part of the punishment process. CR has pled guilty to a violent crime and because of that he is no longer welcome at his school or, apparently, any other school in the area. I know you think it is harsh, but it is the reality of the situation and happens to people all of the time who are convicted of a crime. People hire lawyers, are found guilty and not only have to pay for the crime but also have to pay their lawyers, abide by the laws and deal with the hidden "cost" of the crime, i.e., the loss of income, status and/or community privilege. Eryn and the Romero family bear the burden of CR's actions and have to find ways to deal with it.

I hope someday CR fully understands the impact of his actions. IMO.

ARS 8-291
2. "Incompetent" means a juvenile who does not have sufficient present ability to consult with the juvenile's lawyer with a reasonable degree of rational understanding or who does not have a rational and factual understanding of the proceedings against the juvenile. Age alone does not render a person incompetent.

I absolutely agree with you eagargal...thre is no way CR fully understands the impact of his actions...or even what his actions were. We know Dr. Cody determined him "incompetent"...IMO I don't think the other two evaluations are going to come up with a 9 year old being competent to understand ANY of this.

[stampgal]

Originally Posted by eagargal

Per ARS 8-371:
Juveniles who are subject to the supervision of a probation officer pursuant to an order of the juvenile court, or who are otherwise eligible for conditional liberty from the department of juvenile corrections, shall, as a condition of probation or liberty, be required to do the following:

-Attend school in order to obtain vocational training or to achieve an appropriate educational level as prescribed in consultation with the school the juvenile attends by the juvenile's probation officer or by the department of juvenile corrections. If the juvenile fails to attend school regularly, maintain appropriate school behavior, or make satisfactory progress as determined in consultation with the school by the probation officer or department of juvenile corrections the following will apply:

(a) If the juvenile court retains jurisdiction, the juvenile court shall take appropriate action to enforce, modify or revoke its order granting probation.

(b) If the department of juvenile corrections retains jurisdiction, the department shall act to enforce, modify or revoke its order granting conditional liberty.

While CR is on liberty, he is required to go to school and his custodial parent is required to ensure that that happens, not the state. Once he is sentenced and the intensive probation begins, the state will take responsibility for his schooling. Since the court is now requiring him to attend school at the juvenile detention center, it would appear JR is modifying the terms of CR's liberty.

My point in my previous post was that all Eryn had to do was file the affidavit of intent to home-school CR with the school superintendent. How and when she taught CR was entirely up to her and was perfectly legal, as long as the affidavit was filed. If she is not working, she should have ample time to home-school CR.

AZ makes it extremely easy to home-school a child. The only time a child's home-schooling experience would be challenged is if and when the child enrolled in a traditional school, be it elementary, high-school or college, and the challenge would only consist of exams to determine placement. If Eryn is already home-schooling CR, she is fulfilling the requirement and can't really expect the state to provide special circumstances for her child when thousands of AZ parents home-school their kids with their own resources.

This is part of the punishment process. CR has pled guilty to a violent crime and because of that he is no longer welcome at his school or, apparently, any other school in the area. I know you think it is harsh, but it is the reality of the situation and happens to people all of the time who are convicted of a crime. People hire lawyers, are found guilty and not only have to pay for the crime but also have to pay their lawyers, abide by the laws and deal with the hidden "cost" of the crime, i.e., the loss of income, status and/or community privilege. Eryn and the Romero family bear the burden of CR's actions and have to find ways to deal with it.

I hope someday CR fully understands the impact of his actions. IMO.

Juveniles who are subject to the supervision of a probation officer pursuant to an order of the juvenile court, or who are otherwise eligible absolute discharge or conditional liberty from the department of juvenile corrections in accordance with section 41-2816, shall, as a condition of probation or liberty, be required to do the following:

I've added the language above in red that was omitted from the entire statue of ARS 8-371. When this missing language is added it completely changes the meaning of what you are providing...the main is the meaning of "conditional liberty"

CR has not been sentenced yet, therefore he cannot be on "conditional liberty" This is where everyone is in disagreement. Eryn cannot get state assistance because he technically in the custody of the state. The reason he is out on furlough and not "conditional liberty" is because
A) he has not be sentenced yet and
B) he is too young and they don't want him in the facility


41-2816.
Secure care facilities; rehabilitative services; length of stay guidelines

A. The department shall operate and maintain or contract for secure care facilities for the custody, treatment, rehabilitation and education of youth who pose a threat to public safety, who have engaged in a pattern of conduct characterized by persistent and delinquent offenses that, as demonstrated through the use of other alternatives, cannot be controlled in a less secure setting or who have had their conditional liberty revoked pursuant to section 41-2819.
B. Each youth who is placed in a secure care facility shall receive rehabilitative services appropriate to the youth's age, needs and abilities, including education, counseling, mental health services, recreation and vocational training.
C. The department in cooperation with the juvenile court shall develop length of stay guidelines that are consistent with both treatment and public safety considerations. The department in cooperation with the juvenile court shall annually review the length of stay guidelines. Each youth who is placed in a secure care facility shall be assigned a length of stay pursuant to the length of stay guidelines. The length of stay shall set forth minimum and maximum review dates.


ARS 41-2818
A. After a determination by the department that a youth is not likely to be a threat to the public safety if released and that the youth's continued treatment, rehabilitation and education in a less restrictive setting are consistent with the public's safety and interest, the youth may be granted conditional liberty and placed under the care of the youth's parent or legal guardian or a resident of this state of good moral character or placed in a community based treatment center.

B. Each youth who is placed on conditional liberty is subject to the conditions imposed by the department. When conditional liberty is granted, the youth shall receive and sign a copy of the terms of conditional liberty.
C. The department shall notify the committing court and the county attorney in the county in which the youth was committed twenty days before granting conditional liberty. The department shall consider the recommendation of the court, the county attorney and the victim, if any, before granting conditional liberty.
D. If the department grants conditional liberty, the department shall provide the court and county attorney with a copy of the youth's terms of conditional liberty.

Actually, I don't think it is harsh. I understand crime and punishment. What I think is harsh is the way this has been handled. The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. I agree it is a difficult situation, There's has been no indication how JR is going to sentence. Is he going to put CR in a long term rehabilitation program, is he going to put CR in a long term day treatment facility, is he going to put CR back in dentention, he is going to place CR on JIP.

I'm not sure why a select few have been so against Eryn on this. I doubt anyone here has been in this situation so one could not say what they would or would not do.

I just don't understand the total lack of sympathy for Eryn. No one here is aksing anyone to give her handouts. I doubt she has any long term plans to stay in St. John's so why should she get her own place and get a job. The city doesn't want her nor him there any longer than they want to be there.

CW closed this board down for a while because we were way off topic and only bashing Eryn and not discussing the case.

I suggest she close it down again before this gets out of hand again.

[stampgal]

Originally Posted by VictimHelp

I agree....to me it was just a ploy by her to keep him home...obviously she has no teaching experience...Roca acted in the child's best interest to get some schooling for the boy, albeit late in coming!

Correct...she never claimed to be a teacher.

[mrrogers]

Originally Posted by VictimHelp

It makes a BIG difference....because his mom will do nothing to educate him, IMO. At least he will now get schooling!

so how do you know thats true who told you that eryn wasnt home schooling him. if you really new what was going on youd know that they got all his work from the school and she also has been using homeschooling him with homeschooling materials given to her.
yea thats a real tough move roca did. making the kid go to school 2 hours a day.
since know so much can you tell me why roca is letting him run all over the place footloose and fancy free. do you really think a judge in his right mind would do this if the kid was dangerous. the kids got a cush deal and i dont imagine if and when hes ever sentenced it will be any less that what hes already got.
you probably dont know that there is a HUGE SUPPORT NETWORK

[mrrogers]

Originally Posted by VictimHelp

It makes a BIG difference....because his mom will do nothing to educate him, IMO. At least he will now get schooling!

so how do you know thats true who told you that eryn wasnt home schooling him. if you really new what was going on youd know that they got all his work from the school and she also has been homeschooling him with homeschooling materials given to her.
yea thats a real tough move roca did. making the kid go to school 2 hours a day.
since know so much can you tell me why roca is letting him run all over the place footloose and fancy free. do you really think a judge in his right mind would do this if the kid was dangerous. the kids got a cush deal and i dont imagine if and when hes ever sentenced it will be any less that what hes already got.
you probably dont know that there is a HUGE SUPPORT NETWORK
for eryn and cr. people have even been shown on tv saying they dont believe hes guilty. so unless you live with him and eryn i dont really think your opnions amount to much if anything at all.

[mrrogers]

Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

There isn't a problem there. They aren't going to physically search him for weapons. They will just use their wand metal detector and will pass it over him when he comes in....like is done in many courthouses or justice systems.

He wont get any credit for his schooling but at least he will be be going to school.

She cant be too smart. JR took his schooling out of her hands and stated he would come to the detention center instead.

imo

well there arent in education requirements for a person to homeschool all they have to do is file some paper work. anyone that can write english is elgible. even you could do it. eagargal has posted all the fancy rules about schooling him and the penalties involved. i havent seen any penalty assessed to him for anything since he was let out of detention
it was rocha that said he cant enroll in a school till hes gone thru testing to determine if hes a danger to himself or others so it rochas baby hes made the situation what it is today. i dont really think he cares that hes not meeting the requirement s of that state that all of of you have posted. whiting has been wanting him to go to the detention school since jan. 2 hours a day is gonna do a whole lot for him. on top of all that youve got the village idiots writing letters to the county atty telling him they dont want him in school and if that isnt enough the school offiicials dont know which way to jump. theyve got the knaves on one side and law on ther other . the judge heas ordered the county atty to meet with the school to determinn"whether he has to go to war with the school" or if theyll fulfill their obligation and let him in when hes deemed ok to go to school . on top of that eryn has got all his school work from school so he has work to do at home and at the detention school. id suggest you all call rocha and tell him hes not in compliance with the state laws you quote so freely and see what kind of repsonse you get. i got a pretty good idea but i think it would be better to here it from him . eagargal can call shes not that far away. while shes got him on the phone she might as well line him oot with all great euphenisms she posts here. if i was eryn id be hunting you down and suing you back to the stone age for slander and libel . ive been copying this blog for weeks now and sending it to her. so her atty will have plenty of ammo to sue you with. they dont even have to ask you for your adress they can track you down with your ip number in less than 15 minutes . that would surely liven things up

[VictimHelp]

Originally Posted by Linda777NJ

Slander & Libel? ROFLMAO! Good Luck with that!

It's MY OPINION that Eryn was a lousy mother before this happened and I believe the same holds true today. The woman isn't even capable of taking care of herself...so how is she actually going to supervise and care for such a severely emotionally disturbed child? IMO She can not.

If Eryn wants my address all she has to do is PM me for it.

Please, when ya get a chance, download ieSpell ...... it's free and very easy to use

I think there is no way she was home schooling the boy until people started complaining and even then very little...I'ld wager the boy has been homeschooled on Nickelodeon and the Disney channel!

[VictimHelp]

Originally Posted by MOTHEROFBOYS

And how do you know that he is trying to get out of going to the school? YOU have proved your self over and over that you do not have a clue what that little boy is doing, all you are doing on here is spreading lies. Do you know this for a fact, just because your from St. Johns does not meen you know what is going on with this little boy,,, But again what can we expect you are from St. Johns

People seem to forget this boy is a lying, manipulative kid who has killed 2 men....I think you don't give him enough credit to his devious ways...I think by now he has Eryn wrapped around his finger to do whatever he wants...just my opinion.

IF it were me I would have hired a professional tutor within a week of the boy being released, but that's just me...or I would have taken him to the juvenile detention facility every day for schooling...if I couldn't afford a tutor or get a volunteer tutor with credentials, I would take him to Juvie each day but that's just me...I tend to be a little more responsible then some people...and I certainly wouldn't be connived by this manipulative boy. JMP

[sdn8tv]

Originally Posted by VictimHelp

People seem to forget this boy is a lying, manipulative kid who has killed 2 men....I think you don't give him enough credit to his devious ways...I think by now he has Eryn wrapped around his finger to do whatever he wants...just my opinion.

IF it were me I would have hired a professional tutor within a week of the boy being released, but that's just me...or I would have taken him to the juvenile detention facility every day for schooling...if I couldn't afford a tutor or get a volunteer tutor with credentials, I would take him to Juvie each day but that's just me...I tend to be a little more responsible then some people...and I certainly wouldn't be connived by this manipulative boy. JMP

1 - No one can say what they would do in that situation because in one's wildest dreams I don't think someone can put themself in that situation.

2- You can just take someone to the juvenile detention center and say here is my kid...educate him.

3 - You really seem to get a kick out of putting this boy down...how sad. I hope you never find yourself in a situation where a family member of your's is under fire...oh yeah...that's right your parents are Romero...very sad indeed.

[sdn8tv]

Originally Posted by VictimHelp

I think there is no way she was home schooling the boy until people started complaining and even then very little...I'ld wager the boy has been homeschooled on Nickelodeon and the Disney channel!

Who on earth would complain that he is not getting schooling...that doesn't even make sense.

So now not only are your parents both Romero's you know what it going on inside of Liz's house everyday...because Eryn is screaming from the roof tops what she is doing everyday...

[eagargal]

Originally Posted by stampgal

Juveniles who are subject to the supervision of a probation officer pursuant to an order of the juvenile court, or who are otherwise eligible absolute discharge or conditional liberty from the department of juvenile corrections in accordance with section 41-2816, shall, as a condition of probation or liberty, be required to do the following:

I've added the language above in red that was omitted from the entire statue of ARS 8-371. When this missing language is added it completely changes the meaning of what you are providing...the main is the meaning of "conditional liberty"

CR has not been sentenced yet, therefore he cannot be on "conditional liberty" This is where everyone is in disagreement. Eryn cannot get state assistance because he technically in the custody of the state. The reason he is out on furlough and not "conditional liberty" is because
A) he has not be sentenced yet and
B) he is too young and they don't want him in the facility


41-2816.
Secure care facilities; rehabilitative services; length of stay guidelines

A. The department shall operate and maintain or contract for secure care facilities for the custody, treatment, rehabilitation and education of youth who pose a threat to public safety, who have engaged in a pattern of conduct characterized by persistent and delinquent offenses that, as demonstrated through the use of other alternatives, cannot be controlled in a less secure setting or who have had their conditional liberty revoked pursuant to section 41-2819.
B. Each youth who is placed in a secure care facility shall receive rehabilitative services appropriate to the youth's age, needs and abilities, including education, counseling, mental health services, recreation and vocational training.
C. The department in cooperation with the juvenile court shall develop length of stay guidelines that are consistent with both treatment and public safety considerations. The department in cooperation with the juvenile court shall annually review the length of stay guidelines. Each youth who is placed in a secure care facility shall be assigned a length of stay pursuant to the length of stay guidelines. The length of stay shall set forth minimum and maximum review dates.


ARS 41-2818
A. After a determination by the department that a youth is not likely to be a threat to the public safety if released and that the youth's continued treatment, rehabilitation and education in a less restrictive setting are consistent with the public's safety and interest, the youth may be granted conditional liberty and placed under the care of the youth's parent or legal guardian or a resident of this state of good moral character or placed in a community based treatment center.

B. Each youth who is placed on conditional liberty is subject to the conditions imposed by the department. When conditional liberty is granted, the youth shall receive and sign a copy of the terms of conditional liberty.
C. The department shall notify the committing court and the county attorney in the county in which the youth was committed twenty days before granting conditional liberty. The department shall consider the recommendation of the court, the county attorney and the victim, if any, before granting conditional liberty.
D. If the department grants conditional liberty, the department shall provide the court and county attorney with a copy of the youth's terms of conditional liberty.

Actually, I don't think it is harsh. I understand crime and punishment. What I think is harsh is the way this has been handled. The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. I agree it is a difficult situation, There's has been no indication how JR is going to sentence. Is he going to put CR in a long term rehabilitation program, is he going to put CR in a long term day treatment facility, is he going to put CR back in dentention, he is going to place CR on JIP.

I'm not sure why a select few have been so against Eryn on this. I doubt anyone here has been in this situation so one could not say what they would or would not do.

I just don't understand the total lack of sympathy for Eryn. No one here is aksing anyone to give her handouts. I doubt she has any long term plans to stay in St. John's so why should she get her own place and get a job. The city doesn't want her nor him there any longer than they want to be there.

CW closed this board down for a while because we were way off topic and only bashing Eryn and not discussing the case.

I suggest she close it down again before this gets out of hand again.

I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of the statutes. ARS 41-216 does not apply to CR at this time as he is not being confined, which is why I did not include it in my previous post.

I don't recall ever hearing or seeing evidence that the Order of Confinement, which stipulated that CR was on probation as of 06-JAN-09, was ever quashed. The conditional liberty was defined (however vaguely) by point 8 of the Memorandum of Agreement, which was signed by CR, fulfilling the requirement that you bolded in ARS 41-2128.

There is no "bashing" going on; there are merely comments being made regarding Eryn's actions, which are quite civil compared to the free-for-all speculations made about the entire Romero and Romans families in prior threads. IMO.

[eagargal]

Originally Posted by Linda777NJ

Slander & Libel? ROFLMAO! Good Luck with that!

It's MY OPINION that Eryn was a lousy mother before this happened and I believe the same holds true today. The woman isn't even capable of taking care of herself...so how is she actually going to supervise and care for such a severely emotionally disturbed child? IMO She can not.

If Eryn wants my address all she has to do is PM me for it.

Please, when ya get a chance, download ieSpell ...... it's free and very easy to use

ITA, ITA, ITA!!!....and a grammar lesson wouldn't hurt, either

[VictimHelp]

Originally Posted by eagargal

ITA, ITA, ITA!!!....and a grammar lesson wouldn't hurt, either

Linda & EagerGal....

I'm totally convinced CR will kill again...I think it is in his nature....it is in his nature to manipulate and lie...and sugar coating his actions, his killing of two men coldly and mercilessly doesn't make it right...and saying he is only 9 doesn't mean squat to me...9 year olds are capable of killing...9 year olds can be seriously disturbed...and this boy fits the bill...I think I know this boy better than most and what he is capable of, and when he gets mad "WATCH OUT!"

[garcia]

Originally Posted by VictimHelp

Linda & EagerGal....

I'm totally convinced CR will kill again...I think it is in his nature....it is in his nature to manipulate and lie...and sugar coating his actions, his killing of two men coldly and mercilessly doesn't make it right...and saying he is only 9 doesn't mean squat to me...9 year olds are capable of killing...9 year olds can be seriously disturbed...and this boy fits the bill...I think I know this boy better than most and what he is capable of, and when he gets mad "WATCH OUT!"

I don't think he did it....but if he did it's because in tv you shoot someone and they get back up.

Saying that, I don't think Eryn is a bad person although her past history shows she's irresponsible and not capable of taking care of children. IMO, the feeble attempts she has made at schooling are pathetic.
She could have spoken up in january through the press about schooling. That wouldn't be any gag order violation! Or feb., or March, etc....