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Toggie · #1 05-01-2009, 07:27 AM

Tiffany was DWI????? Wow...has she been charged or are charges pending?

IIRC, two men were found lying on the side of the road when this accident happened. Do you know if they were with her or just two innocent bystanders?

Drinking & driving

and now she can't walk. Good grief people should not get behind the wheel of a vehicle after consuming too much alcohol.

VictimHelp · #2 05-01-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by stampgal

He isn't costing the state of AZ anymore money than any other criminal. If you are so concerned then send a letter to the courts and ask them to let him leave the state.

He is COSTING way more than the average criminal.

VictimHelp · #3 05-01-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by stampgal

Exactly where did I say I'm blaming the victims? It's not like we are making up this stuff about Tim. Since you seem to be so close with Tanya, please read them to her. I'm not telling her anything she can't read in the police reports. I'm sure everything she reads here is the first time she has heard it...right.

Most other sites are considerate of the victim rather than the killer, IMO.

VictimHelp · #4 05-01-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by stampgal

There were no prints on the gun...that means his were not there either. Check you facts.

You misquoted me...I said there were prints (on the box).

VictimHelp · #5 05-01-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by stampgal

I'm sure it will not pay once they get the police report and find out she was drinking and driving. Request the police report.

Again you're wrong, I know the DPS guy and she wasn't cited for anything. Nice to spread viscious rumors though!

GentleBreeze · #6 05-01-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by stampgal

I'm sure it will not pay once they get the police report and find out she was drinking and driving. Request the police report.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I was talking about the expenses she incurred right after Vinnie was killed and then properly buried.

And I was talking about a clause she may have on her homeowners policy.

So you are saying that if she was drinking and driving it wouldn't pay if she now is paralyzed. That would be like saying insurance companies don't pay off because most vehicle accidents are preventable anyway. I believe if she has a clause that includes short or long term disability that it will pay.

Why would I request a police report on Tiffany?

I don't drink often but I sure can understand why this woman drank if she did.

She will also be eligible for SSI. I hope she is able to save her home. She has lost everything else and my heart goes out to her.

imoo

VictimHelp · #7 05-01-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by stampgal

Incorrect...again check your facts.

You check your facts he had GSR consistent with being the shooter...

VictimHelp · #8 05-01-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Toggie

Tiffany was DWI????? Wow...has she been charged or are charges pending?

IIRC, two men were found lying on the side of the road when this accident happened. Do you know if they were with her or just two innocent bystanders?

Drinking & driving

and now she can't walk. Good grief people should not get behind the wheel of a vehicle after consuming too much alcohol.

You guys spread so much BS....again blame the victim. DPS didn't charge her with anything because she didn't do anything. She wasn't charged with DWI. The two men you are talking about was unrelated miles down the road, good grief....ask DPS yourself, she just swerved to miss an animal in the road.

I think posters related to Eryn are just trying to smear, Tim, Vince and TR.

VictimHelp · #9 05-01-2009, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by stampgal

Kind of an irresponsible decision on the part of any sole provider of a family...especially if it is so cheap.

More BS.....now you want to call Vince irresponsible about insurance. Blame everyone except CR....wow!

VictimHelp · #10 05-01-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I was talking about the expenses she incurred right after Vinnie was killed and then properly buried.

And I was talking about a clause she may have on her homeowners policy.

So you are saying that if she was drinking and driving it wouldn't pay if she now is paralyzed. That would be like saying insurance companies don't pay off because most vehicle accidents are preventable anyway. I believe if she has a clause that includes short or long term disability that it will pay.

Why would I request a police report on Tiffany?

I don't drink often but I sure can understand why this woman drank if she did.

She will also be eligible for SSI. I hope she is able to save her home. She has lost everything else and my heart goes out to her.

imoo

I think stampgal just wants to blame the victims instead of CR....

VictimHelp · #11 05-01-2009, 10:18 AM

GB, I still want to know why this confessed, and pled to guilty, double killer is still LOOSE on the streets to commit a third or fourth murder????????????

GB, I still want to know why the courts haven't taken the boy away from his bio, having violated probation and was living with a felon, having not provided for his education, by not hiring a tutor????

I think she has time to do paid interviews and book deals but doesn't have time for her two children to raise them properly. I think It's just sickening seeing the boy loose everywhere in St. Johns. I just think it's sickening when playmates of CR repeat his grizzly details of the killing to other students at school.

VictimHelp · #12 05-01-2009, 10:23 AM

Wow some posters here AMAZE me. They use every opportunity to bash Tim, TR, Vince, Tonya, etc.....these people aren't on trial for double murder...CR admitted to doing it, no one else admitted it, no one else was at the scene of the crime, no one else was charged by police, no one else took a plea deal.

GentleBreeze · #13 05-01-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by VictimHelp

You misquoted me...I said there were prints (on the box).

I think that whole thing is rather silly. It is as if saying that if prints are unidentifiable on a weapon that MUST MEAN the suspect didn't do it. Hog wash. Defendants would love for jurors to believe that though, I am sure.

For years we have heard Beth Karas state that most of the time prints are not identifiable on firearms. In a recent IS case where a woman was accused of shooting and killing her husband and then made it look like a suicide, they found 7 latent prints on the gun. Guess What? None were identifiable. None of hers could be identified and none belonging to the husband that according to her was holding the weapon when it was fired. So I guess that must mean that both are lying and she way lying about him committing suicide and the state was lying because her prints weren't identifiable. LOL! There is a whole lot of defendants sitting in prison where they never could retrieve identifiable prints off the weapon but hey, there are a lot of them there where the weapon was never found either.

All it means is the fingerprints found on the pea shooter were unidentifiable. Which could happen for a myriad of reasons from smudge prints to the gun being swiped up against clothing etc.

But even from a smudge print experts can get some idea how large the fingers where. Didn't they recommend that further prints be gotten from the boy? Did we ever get to see those additional results??? So imo, they knew the prints they were looking at were very small.

imo

VictimHelp · #14 05-01-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

I think that whole thing is rather silly. It is as if saying that if prints are unidentifiable on a weapon that MUST MEAN the suspect didn't do it. Hog wash. Defendants would love for jurors to believe that though, I am sure.

For years we have heard Beth Karas state that most of the time prints are not identifiable on firearms. In a recent IS case where a woman was accused of shooting and killing her husband and then made it look like a suicide, they found 7 latent prints on the gun. Guess What? None were identifiable. None of hers could be identified and none belonging to the husband that according to her was holding the weapon when it was fired. So I guess that must mean that both are lying and she way lying about him committing suicide and the state was lying because her prints weren't identifiable. LOL! There is a whole lot of defendants sitting in prison where they never could retrieve identifiable prints off the weapon but hey, there are a lot of them there where the weapon was never found either.

All it means is the fingerprints found on the pea shooter were unidentifiable. Which could happen for a myriad of reasons from smudge prints to the gun being swiped up against clothing etc.

But even from a smudge print experts can get some idea how large the fingers where. Didn't they recommend that further prints be gotten from the boy? Did we ever get to see those additional results??? So imo, they knew the prints they were looking at were very small.

imo

I agree...it is too bad they didn't get more prints before the case was pled out...and it would have been 1 more nail in the proverbial coffin.

VictimHelp · #15 05-01-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by stampgal

Just take my words and change the names. Do you have an original thought Big Victimhelp

Lots of them. I think I will perplex you and tell you this... my mom and dad have the last name Romero....and I think I know who you are.

GentleBreeze · #16 05-01-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by VictimHelp

GB, I still want to know why this confessed, and pled to guilty, double killer is still LOOSE on the streets to commit a third or fourth murder????????????

GB, I still want to know why the courts haven't taken the boy away from his bio, having violated probation and was living with a felon, having not provided for his education, by not hiring a tutor????

I think she has time to do paid interviews and book deals but doesn't have time for her two children to raise them properly. I think It's just sickening seeing the boy loose everywhere in St. Johns. I just think it's sickening when playmates of CR repeat his grizzly details of the killing to other students at school.

I read an article on another site and it seems the school system is still not wanting the kid to return. They are thinking of the children as a group and how it may affect them with him there imo. If they were receptive to it he would have been back in school months ago. I think the school system is trying to push this back so that the school year will end and hope by the next school year he has moved somewhere else where they want have to deal with him.

I can only hope that they really delve into his inconsistent relationship with his mom that he had for most of his life. I just don't see how this woman is going to provide for him, work and keep a close eye on him every minute for the next 9 years. If he had this much anger at 8 almost 9 it is bound to resurface when he becomes a budding teenager.

I do think it is best for St. John that Eryn and the boy moves from the area. Now it is sort of like flaunting it in the citizens faces and that has to NOT sit well with many of them, I would think. There is no way that I believe that the majority of that town believes this kid is innocent. Maybe a small group of family and friends but not the majority, imo.

imo

VictimHelp · #17 05-01-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

I read an article on another site and it seems the school system is still not wanting the kid to return. They are thinking of the children as a group and how it may affect them with him there imo. If they were receptive to it he would have been back in school months ago. I think the school system is trying to push this back so that the school year will end and hope by the next school year he has moved somewhere else where they want have to deal with him.

I can only hope that they really delve into his inconsistent relationship with his mom that he had for most of his life. I just don't see how this woman is going to provide for him, work and keep a close eye on him every minute for the next 9 years. If he had this much anger at 8 almost 9 it is bound to resurface when he becomes a budding teenager.

I do think it is best for St. John that Eryn and the boy moves from the area. Now it is sort of like flaunting it in the citizens faces and that has to NOT sit well with many of them, I would think. There is no way that I believe that the majority of that town believes this kid is innocent. Maybe a small group of family and friends but not the majority, imo.

imo

A lot of the teachers have been sending emails to their friends to write letters to Judge Roca, the other judege, the Pros Atty and defnse atty to ask the boy not be readmitted....and for good reason. Can you imagine if CR was on the playground with other girls and boys and pushed a kid off the monkey bars or something like that?

newwriter · #18 05-01-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by VictimHelp

Lots of them. I think I will perplex you and tell you this... my mom and dad have the last name Romero....and I think I know who you are.

well, I don't think you know who stampgal is!

VictimHelp · #19 05-01-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by newwriter

well, I don't think you know who stampgal is!

I think I do.....and it blows me away...

newwriter · #20 05-01-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by VictimHelp

I think I do.....and it blows me away...

no, you can't know it

VictimHelp · #21 05-01-2009, 11:27 AM

Whatever....new identity...

dgfred · #22 05-01-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by VictimHelp

I agree...it is too bad they didn't get more prints before the case was pled out...and it would have been 1 more nail in the proverbial coffin.

Yeah, everyone noticed how thorough and professional they were in this investigation from the start.

Funny they would plea deal if the case was so solid, even you can see that.

Why would any judge in their right mind see all the available information about an accused dad killer then permit the boy to plead to one death (not the father) and go and live with his mom? What if something happened to the mom... can you see the problem with this decision?

If the case was so good against the boy, why not release a little evidence that absolutely shows beyond a doubt that he killed these two men? Why not release the information on whether another gun is missing from the house or one of Tim's guns is missing? Not information that 'doesn't rule the boy out' or 'is consistent' with the boy doing all the shooting?

Total brushover of the case (not a complete coverup) but a just get this done with and move on attitude instead of a search for the complete truth. The people of StJohn's should demand the investigation be reopened and the absolute truths be found.

stampgal · #23 05-01-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by VictimHelp

You guys spread so much BS....again blame the victim. DPS didn't charge her with anything because she didn't do anything. She wasn't charged with DWI. The two men you are talking about was unrelated miles down the road, good grief....ask DPS yourself, she just swerved to miss an animal in the road.

I think posters related to Eryn are just trying to smear, Tim, Vince and TR.

Correct...not charged with DUI because they cannot tell when she was drinking. There is a between driving and being charged...
Wow you know everyone in this case...

stampgal · #24 05-01-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by VictimHelp

More BS.....now you want to call Vince irresponsible about insurance. Blame everyone except CR....wow!

Where do you keep getting this blame BS. No one is blaming anyone.

stampgal · #25 05-01-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VictimHelp

You misquoted me...I said there were prints (on the box).

I did not misquote you...go read your post the word box is not mentioned once, secondly you exact quote was his gun his prints.

stampgal · #26 05-01-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by VictimHelp

Lots of them. I think I will perplex you and tell you this... my mom and dad have the last name Romero....and I think I know who you are.

Perplex me....please. If your mom and dad have the last name Romero then you know what I am saying is true. You know there was no money for the interviews, you know she was drinking and driving yet there were no charges, you know that Eryn was not the only one to be reimbursed for her expenses to Phoenix for evaluations...oh my...then you know Leroy has only had one visit with CR this year.
I don't care if you think you know who I am...tell me who you are and I'll tell you who I am. I've told you this since the beginning.

stampgal · #27 05-01-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by VictimHelp

I think I do.....and it blows me away...

Really who am I? Don't hide behind your keyboard...call me out. I will tell you if your right or wrong.

stampgal · #28 05-01-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

I read an article on another site and it seems the school system is still not wanting the kid to return. They are thinking of the children as a group and how it may affect them with him there imo. If they were receptive to it he would have been back in school months ago. I think the school system is trying to push this back so that the school year will end and hope by the next school year he has moved somewhere else where they want have to deal with him.

I can only hope that they really delve into his inconsistent relationship with his mom that he had for most of his life. I just don't see how this woman is going to provide for him, work and keep a close eye on him every minute for the next 9 years. If he had this much anger at 8 almost 9 it is bound to resurface when he becomes a budding teenager.

I do think it is best for St. John that Eryn and the boy moves from the area. Now it is sort of like flaunting it in the citizens faces and that has to NOT sit well with many of them, I would think. There is no way that I believe that the majority of that town believes this kid is innocent. Maybe a small group of family and friends but not the majority, imo.

imo

http://www.kpho.com/news/19337391/detail.html
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/138621

Here's the article I read. Doesn't say anything, not even an implication of thinking of the kids as a group, or teacher worried. Do you have a link to the article you read previously.

stampgal · #29 05-01-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VictimHelp

I think stampgal just wants to blame the victims instead of CR....

Think what you want...I'm not blaming anyone. Why do you think because I mention Tiffany was Drinking an driving that I'm blaming her. Go read my posts...I want to know why...I know WHAT...good grief.

stampgal · #30 05-01-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by VictimHelp

Lots of them. I think I will perplex you and tell you this... my mom and dad have the last name Romero....and I think I know who you are.

You PM and tell me who you think I am. I will be totally honest with you. I am completely unrelated to this family in anyway shape or form. You wuold not know me from the neighbor next door.

Toggie · #31 05-01-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by stampgal

Correct...not charged with DUI because they cannot tell when she was drinking. There is a between driving and being charged...
Wow you know everyone in this case...

Gee, I asked if Tiffany was charged and now we are accused of spreading BS.

I think it's a valid question because of the injuries sustained...I would assume blood work would have been done when she was admitted at the ER...I realize a field sobriety test was out of the question but if there was any question of being under the influence....wouldn't a simple blood test be done?

GentleBreeze · #32 05-01-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MOTHEROFBOYS

Tiff can not get his SSI, They did not own a home togather the house is in her name. In AZ you must be married for atleast 2 years to collect SSI, not 2 months

I wasn't talking about his SSI. I am sure she has been employed before herself. Didn't she work at some doctor's office at the time this happened?

And I am sure she has worked before then ....since she was able to get the home loan on her own before she married Vinnie.

imo

trofanji · #33 05-01-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

I have no idea what you are talking about.

I was talking about the expenses she incurred right after Vinnie was killed and then properly buried.

And I was talking about a clause she may have on her homeowners policy.

So you are saying that if she was drinking and driving it wouldn't pay if she now is paralyzed. That would be like saying insurance companies don't pay off because most vehicle accidents are preventable anyway. I believe if she has a clause that includes short or long term disability that it will pay.

Why would I request a police report on Tiffany?

I don't drink often but I sure can understand why this woman drank if she did.

She will also be eligible for SSI. I hope she is able to save her home. She has lost everything else and my heart goes out to her.

imoo

Driving drunk is in my eyes criminal as well, a lot of people get killed by drunk drivers.

GentleBreeze · #34 05-01-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Toggie

Gee, I asked if Tiffany was charged and now we are accused of spreading BS.

I think it's a valid question because of the injuries sustained...I would assume blood work would have been done when she was admitted at the ER...I realize a field sobriety test was out of the question but if there was any question of being under the influence....wouldn't a simple blood test be done?

Of course they checked for drugs and alcohol. This is standard procedure before they administer any medication they have to know that.... as it could change what medications they give her.

The ER does it all the time when a vehicle accident happens. They even test other passengers in the vehicles that were also in the wreck. If Tiffany had alcohol beyond the legal limit then the police would know that.

imo

GentleBreeze · #35 05-01-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by trofanji

Driving drunk is in my eyes criminal as well, a lot of people get killed by drunk drivers.

I haven't seen any proof that Tiffany was even drinking much less drunk.

What article said she was drunk?

imo

trofanji · #36 05-01-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

I haven't seen any proof that Tiffany was even drinking much less drunk.

What article said she was drunk?

imo

Sorry, I don't speak about Tiffany, I speak about driving drunk in general.

stampgal · #37 05-01-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by trofanji

Driving drunk is in my eyes criminal as well, a lot of people get killed by drunk drivers.

I'm sorry she was in this accident. This is often the cause when one is drinking and they over compensate. Innocent people are killed eveyday. It could have been a lot worse.

GentleBreeze · #38 05-01-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stampgal

http://www.kpho.com/news/19337391/detail.html
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/138621

Here's the article I read. Doesn't say anything, not even an implication of thinking of the kids as a group, or teacher worried. Do you have a link to the article you read previously.

It was one written around the first of April after the last hearing.

But this does seem to confirm my opinion that the school district did not want him back in their school system since he is going to be taught at the juvenile detention center and receive no credit for it.

In the last hearing before Roca made this ruling he wanted to know the school's answer "yes or no". Since he is off to detention to go to school it is obvious the school system said "no" and yes I certainly do believe the school thought of the other children and how it would affect them if he attended there.

JMO tho

stampgal · #39 05-01-2009, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

I haven't seen any proof that Tiffany was even drinking much less drunk.

What article said she was drunk?

imo

That's why I said request the police report.

stampgal · #40 05-01-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

It was one written around the first of April after the last hearing.

But this does seem to confirm my opinion that the school district did not want him back in their school system since he is going to be taught at the juvenile detention center and receive no credit for it.

In the last hearing before Roca made this ruling he wanted to know the school's answer "yes or no". Since he is off to detention to go to school it is obvious the school system said "no" and yes I certainly do believe the school thought of the other children and how it would affect them if he attended there.

JMO tho

That is not what the article says though. So we interpret it differently.