Laurean/Lauterbach Case

[Tokyo Rose]

I am starting a new thread per Coldwater.

[nuttintodo]

Read the article here: http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laure...nty_order.html


Direct link to gag order: http://video.onset.freedom.com/jdn/k...r430090001.pdf


Since we've been waiting almost 16 months, I guess we'll be waiting a lot longer now.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

Nuttin,

Thanks for the suggestion and I did do that.

Thanks for the links. This gag order really does it. NC just got more secretive than they already are. I wonder what the media thinks of this?
Maybe they will challenge it.

You're right, we will be waiting a lot longer now.

jmo

[sunstar]

NC judge dissolves gag order in Cesar Laurean case

Monday, May 11, 2009

JACKSONVILLE, N.C. — A North Carolina judge has lifted his a gag order in the high-profile case of a 22-year-old Marine accused of killing a pregnant colleague.

The Daily News of Jacksonville reported that Onslow County Superior Court Judge Charles Henry released his decision Monday.

He said the gag ordered he issued last month didn't meet constitutional standards to justify barring lawyers and others involved in the case from talking to the media.

more at: http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/ne...se-598697.html

[sunstar]

Cesar Laurean arraignment delayed

Published: May 14, 2009

Cesar Laurean’s next court date has been pushed back.

The State and the defense agreed to reschedule the Marine’s arraignment from May 18 to June 8 in Onslow County Superior Court. Laurean is charged with first degree murder for the death of fellow Marine LCpl. Maria Lauterbach, who was pregnant at the time. Prosecutors say Laurean burned her body and burried it in a shallow grave in the backyard of his Onslow County home.

Investigators say Laurean fled to Mexico and was caught by authorities there. He spent nearly a year in a Mexican jail before being extradited back the United States in April. Laurean’s first court appearance was April 20. He was denied bond.

Laurean is expected to plead not guilty at his arraignment.

more at: http://www.wnct.com/nct/news/local/a...delayed/37320/

[Search4U]

BUMMER - I am on vacation next week and had planned to watch it!.

Originally Posted by sunstar

Cesar Laurean arraignment delayed

Published: May 14, 2009

Cesar Laurean’s next court date has been pushed back.

The State and the defense agreed to reschedule the Marine’s arraignment from May 18 to June 8 in Onslow County Superior Court. Laurean is charged with first degree murder for the death of fellow Marine LCpl. Maria Lauterbach, who was pregnant at the time. Prosecutors say Laurean burned her body and burried it in a shallow grave in the backyard of his Onslow County home.

Investigators say Laurean fled to Mexico and was caught by authorities there. He spent nearly a year in a Mexican jail before being extradited back the United States in April. Laurean’s first court appearance was April 20. He was denied bond.



Laurean is expected to plead not guilty at his arraignment.

more at: http://www.wnct.com/nct/news/local/a...delayed/37320/

[sunstar]

Originally Posted by Search4U

BUMMER - I am on vacation next week and had planned to watch it!.

Isn't that the way it always goes??!!

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by sunstar

Isn't that the way it always goes??!!

I am sure if this has already been posted or was known?

From WRAL: this afternoon.......

Not Father of the Baby.........

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/5155972/

[sunstar]

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

I am sure if this has already been posted or was known?

From WRAL: this afternoon.......

Not Father of the Baby.........

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/5155972/

No I didn't know ~ thanks so much!

This is very interesting news.

[AlohaRainbow]

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

I am sure if this has already been posted or was known?

From WRAL: this afternoon.......

Not Father of the Baby.........

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/5155972/

it was sort of unofficially mentioned when cesar first returned to the u.s. a few weeks ago, but there was never any real confirmaiton until this article today.

this will really make the case interesting re motive.

[iluvmua]

Why did she accuse him of rape and then later recant her story?
maybe she thought that he was the father.

Could the real father testify at his trial?

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by iluvmua

Why did she accuse him of rape and then later recant her story?
maybe she thought that he was the father.

Could the real father testify at his trial?

Or maybe the rape accusation was to cover the pregnancy. Maybe in the first turmoil of discovering she was pregnant, she panicked and made the rape accusation. Once made, she either had to go through with it or risk serious repercussions from a false accusation.

So, who is Gabriel's father?

[Tokyo Rose]

Here is another link regarding Cesar not being the father.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/marine-64...rean-camp.html

[Tokyo Rose]

Originally Posted by sunstar

NC judge dissolves gag order in Cesar Laurean case

Monday, May 11, 2009

JACKSONVILLE, N.C. — A North Carolina judge has lifted his a gag order in the high-profile case of a 22-year-old Marine accused of killing a pregnant colleague.

The Daily News of Jacksonville reported that Onslow County Superior Court Judge Charles Henry released his decision Monday.

He said the gag ordered he issued last month didn't meet constitutional standards to justify barring lawyers and others involved in the case from talking to the media.

more at: http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/ne...se-598697.html

This is good news for us.

[Tokyo Rose]

Originally Posted by AlohaRainbow

it was sort of unofficially mentioned when cesar first returned to the u.s. a few weeks ago, but there was never any real confirmaiton until this article today.

this will really make the case interesting re motive.

This won't change motive if Cesar thought he was the father. It shows he killed her for nothing. Wonder what he is thinking now after finding out he wasn't the father?

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

Originally Posted by iluvmua

Why did she accuse him of rape and then later recant her story?
maybe she thought that he was the father.

Could the real father testify at his trial?

IIRC she didn't recant the rape. She recanted the baby being Cesar's after recalculating the dates. I have seen this quoted in the news before this and it has been wrong.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Or maybe the rape accusation was to cover the pregnancy. Maybe in the first turmoil of discovering she was pregnant, she panicked and made the rape accusation. Once made, she either had to go through with it or risk serious repercussions from a false accusation.

So, who is Gabriel's father?

IIRC when she made the rape charge she didn't know she was pregnant.

jmo

[sunstar]

Originally Posted by Tokyo Rose

This is good news for us.

I agree! And it's not like there's a whole lot of information coming out from the attorneys anyway.

[sunstar]

Originally Posted by Tokyo Rose

This won't change motive if Cesar thought he was the father. It shows he killed her for nothing. Wonder what he is thinking now after finding out he wasn't the father?

jmo

I agree, but what's interesting is when he found out. It's something we may never know unless he testifies at his trial. Now that we know he wasn't the baby's father, I wonder if the father is in El Paso. I'm still trying to figure out why she bought the bus ticket to go there. MOO

[baywench]

Originally Posted by sunstar

I agree, but what's interesting is when he found out. It's something we may never know unless he testifies at his trial. Now that we know he wasn't the baby's father, I wonder if the father is in El Paso. I'm still trying to figure out why she bought the bus ticket to go there. MOO

I have to blow the cobwebs outta my brain on this one, but IIRC he did not know at the time she was murdered because they were waiting on the results of the DNA. The white-hot emotional issues involved in this case have always seemed to me to lean toward the theory that this was a crime of passion. Adultery, loss of your career, possible child support for 18 years etc. Each possible motives imo. Laurean is a coward and not too bright obviously. jmo

[sunstar]

Originally Posted by baywench

I have to blow the cobwebs outta my brain on this one, but IIRC he did not know at the time she was murdered because they were waiting on the results of the DNA. The white-hot emotional issues involved in this case have always seemed to me to lean toward the theory that this was a crime of passion. Adultery, loss of your career, possible child support for 18 years etc. Each possible motives imo. Laurean is a coward and not too bright obviously. jmo

What I'm thinking of as a possible scenario, is Maria had told him he's the baby's father but goes to his house that day and tells him the truth. I do see a crime of passion also, especially if this were what happened. MOO

[baywench]

Originally Posted by sunstar

What I'm thinking of as a possible scenario, is Maria had told him he's the baby's father but goes to his house that day and tells him the truth. I do see a crime of passion also, especially if this were what happened. MOO

I know that saying anything unflattering about Maria since she is the victim is sensitive, however, she was a bit of a strange duck. Normally I would think that she would not have gone by there and told him the truth but who knows? I think it may have even been possible they were still seeing each other now and then. I want to know where she was going to spend the night when she asked if she could leave her car there. I am still on the fence about which one of them killed her, or if they did it together. Maria was throwing around alot of accusations without proof. jmo

[sunstar]

Originally Posted by baywench

I know that saying anything unflattering about Maria since she is the victim is sensitive, however, she was a bit of a strange duck. Normally I would think that she would not have gone by there and told him the truth but who knows? I think it may have even been possible they were still seeing each other now and then. I want to know where she was going to spend the night when she asked if she could leave her car there. I am still on the fence about which one of them killed her, or if they did it together. Maria was throwing around alot of accusations without proof. jmo

I know what you mean and I'm also trying not to say anything unflatteirng about Maria but there are some things that are already out there like the rape accusation, then recanting it, for example. I can't help but think about the comment Laurean made when he was arrested, I think when asked if he killed her and he said he loved her. There are still just so many unanswered questions that I hope somebody has the answer to. MOO

[baywench]

Originally Posted by sunstar

I know what you mean and I'm also trying not to say anything unflatteirng about Maria but there are some things that are already out there like the rape accusation, then recanting it, for example. I can't help but think about the comment Laurean made when he was arrested, I think when asked if he killed her and he said he loved her. There are still just so many unanswered questions that I hope somebody has the answer to. MOO

I'm wondering how this play out at trial. Will he throw himself on the sword and swear Christinia was clueless? Or will he say that they were in love? That statement has intrigued me for so long. They must have continued to have sex longer they admitted or he would have known absolutely that he was not the father. They would have had no reason to meet the night she left if that were case. Maybe she was getting out of Dodge because she knew for a fact it was not his baby? Why not leave earlier or recant the whole thing? Strange also that Laurean wasn't screaming and denying if he knew for a fact he could not be his. js

[sunstar]

Originally Posted by baywench

I'm wondering how this play out at trial. Will he throw himself on the sword and swear Christinia was clueless? Or will he say that they were in love? That statement has intrigued me for so long. They must have continued to have sex longer they admitted or he would have known absolutely that he was not the father. They would have had no reason to meet the night she left if that were case. Maybe she was getting out of Dodge because she knew for a fact it was not his baby? Why not leave earlier or recant the whole thing? Strange also that Laurean wasn't screaming and denying if he knew for a fact he could not be his. js

I think this might be one case where the defendant testifies since it seems if he wants to save himself some explanations are necessary. On the other hand though, he'd also have to explain why he said she committed suicide, how her body ended up in his back yard, and why it was burned. MOO

[baywench]

Originally Posted by sunstar

I think this might be one case where the defendant testifies since it seems if he wants to save himself some explanations are necessary. On the other hand though, he'd also have to explain why he said she committed suicide, how her body ended up in his back yard, and why it was burned. MOO

I agree Sun...I see him as a wimp and a coward. I don't see him standing up to anything in the end. Christinias involvement should come to light. He really isn't very smart so if he tries to lie I think we will be able to see right through it. I hope he will say what the other contact was they had that day.

[sunstar]

Originally Posted by baywench

I agree Sun...I see him as a wimp and a coward. I don't see him standing up to anything in the end. Christinias involvement should come to light. He really isn't very smart so if he tries to lie I think we will be able to see right through it. I hope he will say what the other contact was they had that day.

Well this definitely isn't a case where the defense can just claim SODDI and not offer some reason why Laurean put her in his back yard even if she had killed herself (which the evidence is inconsistent with anyway). I definitely think the jury will have to know what went on between them during the months they knew each other and the day of her death. MOO

[VC2]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Or maybe the rape accusation was to cover the pregnancy. Maybe in the first turmoil of discovering she was pregnant, she panicked and made the rape accusation. Once made, she either had to go through with it or risk serious repercussions from a false accusation.

So, who is Gabriel's father?

You remember how in the beginning there were a number of stories about her habit of lying? iirc her psychologist uncle said that when she was cornered or in a fix she lied, her mother said she lied and even doubted her on the rape allegation saying she would stand behind her but it had to be the truth. She made up a couple of wild stories in boot camp about her father as well and was sent for counseling bout her lying.

It certainly does not mean that he isn't guilty but i had been strongly and i mean strongly feeling his wife had nothing to do with it. I still feel she had nothing to do with his killing of Maria but now i wonder if she maybe was the killer on her own?

IF the father is in El Paso, and he helped her get a bus ticket etc, especially if she told him she was leaving and not going to testify at anything (iirc that was one of the things said..cant remember if it was confirmed) there was no reason for him to kill her.

What if it was true that they didn't have sex? it sure can't be proven now they did. He would know the paternity test would show he wasn't the dad. Rape? well she had a pretty long history of lying to the point of counselling for it. Her mom or uncle even called her a pathological liar. Any decent lawyer would have told him he was pretty safe.

the only real worry he had is if she was pregnant with his baby. Even then it was a bigger issue with his wife than with a trial, consensual sex explains a baby. Since the accusations of rape and fatherhood were made the issue with his wife was happening anyway.

Someone in that house killed her but i am now wondering WHO.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/16/...ing/index.html

Sat May 16, 2009


Suspect in pregnant Marine's death not father of unborn child

[GentleBreeze]

I am back to wondering what his motive could have been. The rape allegations against him were just too flimsy and filled with inconsistencies and problems for Maria, imo. And if the child wasn't his then that would give him more credibility when Gabriel was born and DNA testing could have been demanded by CL.

Was there really more to the relationship between Maria and Laurean?

Did he believe the child was his for months and then when she told investigators that the Gabriel could not be his it throw him into a fit of rage? Or did he know all along Gabriel wasn't his child?

His words uttered in Mexico when he was arrested left mystery,imo and things that perhaps that haven't been revealed yet.

Quote from CNN article above:
Laurean was 22 when he was arrested in Mexico in April 2008. At the time, a Mexican reporter asked Laurean whether he had killed Lauterbach. The Marine replied, "I loved her."

It is even more of a mystery why she came to his home that day. Why would a woman come to a home of a man that for so many months she said the child she carried belonged to him *thru assault" when she knew the baby wasn't his at all?

Another sad thing is Gabriel's real father is out there somewhere and he didnt care enough about him to even step up and say he was.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally Posted by baywench

I have to blow the cobwebs outta my brain on this one, but IIRC he did not know at the time she was murdered because they were waiting on the results of the DNA. The white-hot emotional issues involved in this case have always seemed to me to lean toward the theory that this was a crime of passion. Adultery, loss of your career, possible child support for 18 years etc. Each possible motives imo. Laurean is a coward and not too bright obviously. jmo

I agree........something sparked this when they both came together that day. I have never seen premeditation in this case. All the other after the crime shows panic and disorganization.

But I am not sure that he thought Gabriel was his child. I think he knew all along......he wasn't. How that plays into all of this will be very interesting to learn.

Even the allegations marked his stellar Marine career and I think that is what was very important to Laurean at the time. Before these allegations his Marine Corps career was very bright and promising. He had already been meritoriously promoted and he knew any black mark would stop all of that in its tracks even if the allegations were never proved.

imo

[Tokyo Rose]

I believe the "relationship" between Maria and Cesar was not consensual.

I believe it occurred in such a way that Cesar actually thought it was. Something like some men actually think "She may have said no, but really wanted it". Cesar is narcissistic and would think that way.

I think this happened more than once, and she reported it because she thought it was a way to get away from him. She didn't want to work in the same area with him anymore.

When she reported the rape she didn't know she was pregnant. Cesar didn't either so he lied to the investigators saying he never had sex with her. Perfect, because it was her word against his. No evidence and no one saw anything. He also knew her so called reputation as a liar.

When she came up pregnant he panicked. If that baby was his, it would be obvious he had lied. His credibility would have gone down hill fast. His career would end. I think everyone assumed the baby was his. The investigators, Cesar, Maria, her family, and everyone else.

As soon as Maria recalculated and realized the baby wasn't Cesar's, she told the investigators, but did not recant the rape.

It really doesn't matter who's baby it was. Cesar killed her because he thought it was his. He killed her for nothing. He was off the hook.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

IMO Cesar will never talk with the detectives nor will he testify at the trial. That would open the door for the prosecution to rip him apart.

[Tokyo Rose]

I remember RS saying they knew why Maria was gong to El Paso. That will come out in trial, I would think. It could have been to go see the baby's father. Maybe the police already know who he is, and it has been kept quiet. We just don't know.

jmo

[Tokyo Rose]

Originally Posted by VC2

You remember how in the beginning there were a number of stories about her habit of lying? iirc her psychologist uncle said that when she was cornered or in a fix she lied, her mother said she lied and even doubted her on the rape allegation saying she would stand behind her but it had to be the truth. She made up a couple of wild stories in boot camp about her father as well and was sent for counseling bout her lying.

It certainly does not mean that he isn't guilty but i had been strongly and i mean strongly feeling his wife had nothing to do with it. I still feel she had nothing to do with his killing of Maria but now i wonder if she maybe was the killer on her own?

IF the father is in El Paso, and he helped her get a bus ticket etc, especially if she told him she was leaving and not going to testify at anything (iirc that was one of the things said..cant remember if it was confirmed) there was no reason for him to kill her.

What if it was true that they didn't have sex? it sure can't be proven now they did. He would know the paternity test would show he wasn't the dad. Rape? well she had a pretty long history of lying to the point of counselling for it. Her mom or uncle even called her a pathological liar. Any decent lawyer would have told him he was pretty safe.

the only real worry he had is if she was pregnant with his baby. Even then it was a bigger issue with his wife than with a trial, consensual sex explains a baby. Since the accusations of rape and fatherhood were made the issue with his wife was happening anyway.

Someone in that house killed her but i am now wondering WHO.

imo

According to the police and the DA, Christina has been cleared so it wasn't her. That leaves only Cesar, and he is the one sitting in jail awaiting trial, as it should be.

jmo

[FallenAngel♥]

Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/16/...ing/index.html

Sat May 16, 2009


Suspect in pregnant Marine's death not father of unborn child

I'm still shocked about this.........

[GentleBreeze]

Originally Posted by Tokyo Rose

I remember RS saying they knew why Maria was gong to El Paso. That will come out in trial, I would think. It could have been to go see the baby's father. Maybe the police already know who he is, and it has been kept quiet. We just don't know.

jmo

I believe RS said that only two people could answer that question and Maria was dead and at that time Laurean was on the lamb.

I sure want to know why the true biological father of Gabriel never stepped forward to voice his outrage over what had happened to his own son.

I have always sensed there are many things just below the surface we don't know about in this case and exactly what went on and by whom starting even before the rape allegations surfaced.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally Posted by Dianna

I'm shocked with the stupidity. Unless he did rape her as she claimed and he automatically assumed it was his for sure.
Hmmm, Wonder who the father was?

He couldn't have believed that. Maria recanted her story in early November and said the baby wasn't his from the alleged rape. He would have been apprised of all that information from his own attorney. It was Sheriff Brown who said Maria was facing a possible discharge from the Corps. I think the MC had Maria trapped and she knew once Gabriel was born the military Prosecutor would ask for a DNA sample from Laurean anyway and she knew he was not going to be the father. I think all of this was done to protect the identity of the real biological father. And if they have found the father perchance then I wonder how long they had been seeing each other before she got pregnant. Imo, I think he is military and most likely one of higher rank and in their same unit.

Personally I don't think he raped her at all and imo, he knew all along Gabriel wasn't his. He never broke down and admitted it to Christina. He continued to work everyday even though he knew Maria's due date was getting closer. He told Christina all along the child was not his and he said he had no sexual contact with Maria and remember she told one of her friends she needed to get out of a bad situation she had found herself in? I don't think it had anything to do with Laurean but the situation she had found herself in with Gabriel's bio father.

And like Maria's own mother said, when Maria is backed into a corner she will lie to get herself out of it.



imo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally Posted by Tokyo Rose

IMO Cesar will never talk with the detectives nor will he testify at the trial. That would open the door for the prosecution to rip him apart.

I am not so sure it would, Rosie.

He has already admitted that he buried Maria in his backyard and tried to cover it up.

He has no criminal record whatsoever before this.

Of course they will him that he fled to Mexico but then he can say he did so because he would knew he would be blamed for Maria's death.

So I don't think he has much to lose at all by testifying. Only he knows what really happened.

The jury can weigh his truthfulness and credibility.

imoo

[GentleBreeze]

Originally Posted by Tokyo Rose

I believe the "relationship" between Maria and Cesar was not consensual.

I believe it occurred in such a way that Cesar actually thought it was. Something like some men actually think "She may have said no, but really wanted it". Cesar is narcissistic and would think that way.

I think this happened more than once, and she reported it because she thought it was a way to get away from him. She didn't want to work in the same area with him anymore.

When she reported the rape she didn't know she was pregnant. Cesar didn't either so he lied to the investigators saying he never had sex with her. Perfect, because it was her word against his. No evidence and no one saw anything. He also knew her so called reputation as a liar.

When she came up pregnant he panicked. If that baby was his, it would be obvious he had lied. His credibility would have gone down hill fast. His career would end. I think everyone assumed the baby was his. The investigators, Cesar, Maria, her family, and everyone else.

As soon as Maria recalculated and realized the baby wasn't Cesar's, she told the investigators, but did not recant the rape.

It really doesn't matter who's baby it was. Cesar killed her because he thought it was his. He killed her for nothing. He was off the hook.

jmo

He had known she was pregnant for 8 months and there is nothing showing that he did one thing in all that time nor were they ever together at the same workplace or elsewhere as far as we know except for the day the murders happened.

It had been over a month since she had recanted her story about Gabriel.

His lawyer had to tell Laurean that the rape allegation made by Maria were plagued with problems for her. She could prove none of it and she was known to lie frequently so her credibility was already very iffy. And there may be even more issues known about Maria by the Corps that has not been revealed. Anyone that can make up such an outlandish lie about their own father killing their brother can make up another outlandish tale. So I don't think Lauean was afraid he was going to be convicted with rape. I think once the military prosecutor did the testing on Gabriel once he was born they would have started papers to have Maria discharged.

So it makes no sense, just like it makes no sense why she would come to his home knowing he was alone, imo. But both of them had been under extreme stress for months due to this ongoing saga and tempers can flare when emotions have been pent up for months on end.

I think this was a spontaneous combustion where fuel was added to already simmering anger and frustrations and this was the result that day.

imo