Phil Spector April 16 thru May 17

Hope this new thread meets with everyones approval. Seems that the subject of the DD thread is no longer being addressed.

[My 2 Cents]

Oh my goodness, that Rachelle Short . . . what a biiiii-@-tch.

You might want to read M.Blaine's lastest blog. Apparently, Rachelle sent out a RECENT mass e-mail, SINCE THE VERDICT, to friends in Phil's e-mail address book. (I apologize if I'm repeating a previous post)

http://mcontrolblogs.blogspot.com/

Rachelle asks EVERYONE to "do as many TV, radio & internet interviews as possible - to write the PRESIDENT, the California Governor, councilmen & women, etc . .. so as to EXPOSE JUDGE FIDLER and . . . "WE NEED TO GET OUT ANY AND ALL INFORMATION ABOUT LANA CLARKSON THAT THE JUDGE WOULD NOT LET IN."

I REPEAT . . . What a self-serving little #$@!!!!!

There have been 2 trials and ALL the jurors in BOTH (except for ONE - Sorry, I refuse to count the juror who said "she would vote which ever way the foreman did" . . . clear VIOLATION of the jury instructions and we have no idea what SHE concluded) have found Phil Spector GUILTY. And now she wants to TRASH LANA even MORE, now that the GAG ORDER is lifted? And a plea to "WRITE THE PRESIDENT". . . ha, ha YES, I am CERTAIN all those donations made by TEAM SPECTOR (that were RETURNED by Obama) and the massive number of OBAMA PINS he owns AND wears, will get Phil a 2nd look by the President of the USA.

She also writes . . . another innocent man has gone to jail for something he clearly and scientifically did NOT do. ha, ha - - that just struck me as such a funny sentence.

Michelle writes some interesting thoughts about Rachelle motives.

[GPSpector]

Thought I'd move my response to this new thread:

Originally Posted by eagleeer

May I ask what is rightfully any childs inheritance? Some think that a parent owes their children something upon their death. My parents gave me the best upbringing that they could afford. They worked and saved for THEIR RETIREMENT to be spent as they wished to make themselves comfortable in their declining years. Yes there was a little left over and myself and my brother and sister were the recipients of what little was left. I never thought that I deserved a dam dime when they passed away. Matter of fact I told them to spend their money on themselves as I was given the opportunity to make it on my own and not wait for them to leave me the gold mine. I don't know why I am saying this but I guess that I am sick and tired of people thinking that they have an entitlement from their parents. What happen to good hard work and making it on your own. This is in no way meant to be an inditement of Gary and his siblings but a general statement. After all Phil Spector is not dead yet and there may be nothing to get when he leaves this world. In fact I believe that he will make sure of it to spite everyone.

In many ways, I agree with you. If it was money I was interested in, I would have tried to get it a lot sooner. Neither my twin nor I have any interest in taking or getting his money.

With that said, you stated that "My parents gave me the best upbringing that they could afford.". If our father had done that, we would have been allowed to have the best education and the best chance to a head start on a good life, with a great education and the chance for further education if we wanted it. We were denied all of that.

When I see people post that we should get what we are entitled to, I can't help but think that we never got the mere basics of what we were entitled to, as kids other than a roof over our heads and meals when our father had the means for so much more.

I am glad I was not raised to be spoiled like so many other kids in Beverly Hills, but it hurts to hear how smart I am and yet, because I never could afford to go to college on my own, I don't have the chance to get the jobs so many seem to think I could do well in, just because I don't have a piece of paper on the wall.

I was told to join the Air Force right after High School because our father did not want us to go to college. It was made very clear to me that I was discharged after only 8 months because of my fathers reputation and nothing to do with how well I did or did not do in the Air Force. Because of the General Under Honorable Discharge I received, I could not even use the money I put into the GI Bill for college that I wanted to go to, on my own. That was a lot of money lost. I than moved into the Red Cross Shelter for about 6 months.

I am very glad you were given, like many others, a good childhood. I would have been happy with that. Now, I can't even take care of my father in his senior years and barely myself. Best I can do, and will, is send him a letter to let him know, I still care. And still I expect nothing in return.

[spydernweb2006]

If Chelle starts spouting carp all over town about Lana in a futile attempt to get Phill freed from a crime he was COVICTED of I hope Lana's family sues the heck outta her!

All throught the trial we had Chelle posting and saying carp and slinging mud about everyone associated to this trial and I hope, wish and pray it comes back to bite her rt up the azz.

Personally Id LOVE to see Chelle sued for defamation/slander of Lana, Sprocket and Judge Fidler! Time for her to learn that your mouth should never write checks that your tush cant cash!

Its NOT that I wish her ill will, I would just love to see her accountable for the carp she spews! Ya reap what ya sow!


JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[kennedy06]

From the link bugout gave us on the links thread from the ABA, I clicked the latest PSTelegraph article. There is a short video interview with Mick B. talking about PS on it also. Some portions of the interview Mick did with PS 6 weeks before the shooting can also be listened to.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-life-now.html

[kennedy06]

Another link from the article bugout linked us to. I know we all have other things in our own lives to deal with, but you can't help but be drawn back to this case, its has everything. IMO..everything surrounding it tragedy, wealth, hollywood, mystery, contempt... I'm poor at writing, but I'm sure there are those of you that could explain it so much better.

There is also a short video with this article also

http://entertainment.timesonline.co....cle6093667.ece

[hiitsme]

Originally Posted by Dezi-Lou

snipped....

Poor RS

I'll send her some diapers to dry the tears.

[oodi]

Originally Posted by hiitsme

I'll send her some diapers to dry the tears.

Make sure to dip them in the toilet first.... Just like Phil did.

[vonna]

Originally Posted by GPSpector

Thought I'd move my response to this new thread:



In many ways, I agree with you. If it was money I was interested in, I would have tried to get it a lot sooner. Neither my twin nor I have any interest in taking or getting his money.

With that said, you stated that "My parents gave me the best upbringing that they could afford.". If our father had done that, we would have been allowed to have the best education and the best chance to a head start on a good life, with a great education and the chance for further education if we wanted it. We were denied all of that.

When I see people post that we should get what we are entitled to, I can't help but think that we never got the mere basics of what we were entitled to, as kids other than a roof over our heads and meals when our father had the means for so much more.

I am glad I was not raised to be spoiled like so many other kids in Beverly Hills, but it hurts to hear how smart I am and yet, because I never could afford to go to college on my own, I don't have the chance to get the jobs so many seem to think I could do well in, just because I don't have a piece of paper on the wall.

I was told to join the Air Force right after High School because our father did not want us to go to college. It was made very clear to me that I was discharged after only 8 months because of my fathers reputation and nothing to do with how well I did or did not do in the Air Force. Because of the General Under Honorable Discharge I received, I could not even use the money I put into the GI Bill for college that I wanted to go to, on my own. That was a lot of money lost. I than moved into the Red Cross Shelter for about 6 months.

I am very glad you were given, like many others, a good childhood. I would have been happy with that. Now, I can't even take care of my father in his senior years and barely myself. Best I can do, and will, is send him a letter to let him know, I still care. And still I expect nothing in return.

It is shocking to me that your father, with all his money, didn't see that his children had a college education - when there are so many poor parents who sacrifice some simple comforts of life to do so.

Originally Posted by Dezi-Lou

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Poor RS

Sounds like she's looking to pay some bills by doing the talk show circuit stumping up support for Phil. But that she has to keep on bashing Lana is just plain wierd! It sounds like she is very jealous of her husband's victim.
Lana had a life, a family, loving friends and still hopes for a career with some upcoming opportunites. Sounded like she had some plans with a boyfriend too. And what does poor RS have? Nothing but bitterness apparently. She really is a sad case, too. I can't wish her any ill. She has enough misery in her life just being herself.

[vonna]

Originally Posted by Dianna

Good morning Ms. Vonna.
How are you today. I'm still coming down from the Spector rush last Monday. Has anyone decided what we will concentrate on. I am very Interested in the Anthony case and now this freak MH up in Tracy, California.
It's crazy Vonna, a lot of people talk about a little town they live in where everybody knows your name. They also say because of that, it is so safe.
I was brought up not to trust anyone. Priest, reverend, a policeman.
My dad was very protective since that's all he had was girls in the house. When Tee was born I decided I would do the same thing with him. I made that boy check in every hour (physically) when he was 16-17. Some folks considered me ridiculous but he's a fine young man today.
I feel so sad for these families of little Sandra.
Those crazy Anthony's don't seem to care about anything but save their daughter azz from a murder rap.

Good morning, Dianna. Like you, I am still in a state of euphoria. This verdict has been a long time coming. I surely hope I have the privilege of posting with the people who have frequented these Spector threads in a future case. What a difference between the lack of hostility here and the extreme hostility that was expressed during the first trial.

[tartangirl]

As PS sits in a jail cell somewhere and I go about my life, I find myself still thinking of this case. So many lives have been touched by this one act of violence and selfishness. Of course, I always go back to the family of the victim and how each day they have to rise above the pain and now gather strength to move forward with the civil case. My thoughts go to them for they have been living in a jail cell of their own these last six years. May they find peace and solace soon.

~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...?l=eng&gi=lana

[Jayne]

Originally Posted by GPSpector

Thought I'd move my response to this new thread:



In many ways, I agree with you. If it was money I was interested in, I would have tried to get it a lot sooner. Neither my twin nor I have any interest in taking or getting his money.

With that said, you stated that "My parents gave me the best upbringing that they could afford.". If our father had done that, we would have been allowed to have the best education and the best chance to a head start on a good life, with a great education and the chance for further education if we wanted it. We were denied all of that.

When I see people post that we should get what we are entitled to, I can't help but think that we never got the mere basics of what we were entitled to, as kids other than a roof over our heads and meals when our father had the means for so much more.

I am glad I was not raised to be spoiled like so many other kids in Beverly Hills, but it hurts to hear how smart I am and yet, because I never could afford to go to college on my own, I don't have the chance to get the jobs so many seem to think I could do well in, just because I don't have a piece of paper on the wall.

I was told to join the Air Force right after High School because our father did not want us to go to college. It was made very clear to me that I was discharged after only 8 months because of my fathers reputation and nothing to do with how well I did or did not do in the Air Force. Because of the General Under Honorable Discharge I received, I could not even use the money I put into the GI Bill for college that I wanted to go to, on my own. That was a lot of money lost. I than moved into the Red Cross Shelter for about 6 months.

I am very glad you were given, like many others, a good childhood. I would have been happy with that. Now, I can't even take care of my father in his senior years and barely myself. Best I can do, and will, is send him a letter to let him know, I still care. And still I expect nothing in return.

GPS - YOU are a Class Act! It is such a pleasure and so inspiring to have come to know you. Remember you have plenty of wonderful people here who really care about you and your siblings.

[Dexter]

Originally Posted by Dezi-Lou

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Poor RS

You are 100% correct. From what I understand... very poor Rachelle. She'll have to get a legitimate job.

imo... of course.

[vonna]

Originally Posted by Dexter

You are 100% correct. From what I understand... very poor Rachelle. She'll have to get a legitimate job.

imo... of course.

What better way to keep her on his side than keeping her financially dependent on him?

[kennedy06]

Sick of my posts yet LOL!! Did you guys look on Trials and Tribs at her PS update. She has many links on it, including one video link with DW as he goes to visit PS in jail, other good articles from everyplace from foreign newspapers to the Wall S. J.

[Ellie]

Hey all. Just a question... has anyone posted a video of the verdict being read and/or the expression of Phil and the crowd at the courthouse? thanks.

[oodi]

Originally Posted by Ellie

Hey all. Just a question... has anyone posted a video of the verdict being read and/or the expression of Phil and the crowd at the courthouse? thanks.

Sprocket has a clip of the reading of the verdict on her blog:

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/...Phil%20Spector

I haven't seen any clips of any public reaction, so I don't know if there are any.

[Ellie]

Thanks for the links, guys.

I have another question... in all of this talk about Gary and Louis, I am curious... why, when Ronnie left, didn't she worry about them or take them with?

Gary, this is not at all directed at you and I totally understand if you are not comfortable with this subject. But after reading her book I just can't imagine it. She knew what Phil was all about, she knew what it was like to live with him and what he was capable of. I think it's horrible that Phil seemed to adopt these 2 wonderful children as toys for Ronnie... and she left them with him when she left.

It's amazing that they turned out to be such good human beings.

[oodi]

Originally Posted by Ellie

Thanks for the links, guys.

I have another question... in all of this talk about Gary and Louis, I am curious... why, when Ronnie left, didn't she worry about them or take them with?

Gary, this is not at all directed at you and I totally understand if you are not comfortable with this subject. But after reading her book I just can't imagine it. She knew what Phil was all about, she knew what it was like to live with him and what he was capable of. I think it's horrible that Phil seemed to adopt these 2 wonderful children as toys for Ronnie... and she left them with him when she left.

It's amazing that they turned out to be such good human beings.

From what I understood, she never adopted them... PS adopted them as a single parent. Someone correct me if I have that wrong.

[Ellie]

Originally Posted by oodi

From what I understood, she never adopted them... PS adopted them as a single parent. Someone correct me if I have that wrong.

I think you may be right, or partially right (I would have to read that part of the book again), but he did adopt them FOR her.. and she just left them like they were fixtures. I have never understood that.

[GPSpector]

Originally Posted by Ellie

Thanks for the links, guys.

I have another question... in all of this talk about Gary and Louis, I am curious... why, when Ronnie left, didn't she worry about them or take them with?

Gary, this is not at all directed at you and I totally understand if you are not comfortable with this subject. But after reading her book I just can't imagine it. She knew what Phil was all about, she knew what it was like to live with him and what he was capable of. I think it's horrible that Phil seemed to adopt these 2 wonderful children as toys for Ronnie... and she left them with him when she left.

It's amazing that they turned out to be such good human beings.

She had no legal hold on us. We were adopted by a single father even though he was married at the time. She was not aware of our adoption until after it was done. She could have fought for Donté but she did not want to break us up. She did what she thougt was best for the 3 of us. She was not happy about it but hoped it was for the best.

Yes, I have spoken with her about it. I do not hold ill feelings towards her for it. I understood it. Besides, when she left, she had nothing. How was she going to fight?

[cherylt]

Originally Posted by Dianna

Nancy Grace. Perhaps Bill O'Riley or better yet, Larry king. Oh, how about that Greta on Fox...

Oh my, can you see NG even having Rachelle on her show? IF she did get on, NG would rip her to pieces... She best not look to go there. Although I would watch with gleeful amusement as NG questions her...

Like u mentioned, there is always Larry King or Greta...

[tartangirl]

Very short video full of facts, some we have heard, true or not we can only guess. The one phrase..happiness is a warm gun...stays with a person.



http://vodpod.com/watch/1524592-the-...s-and-coffins?

~ as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

[Daisy'sMom]

When I first read the email, I wanted to email her and tell her what trash she is. But then I started to pity her. She is a desperate little thing now. The one chance she had that would provide her with any fame and fortune is now behind bars, hopefully for the rest of his life. And hopefully, everything he has left will be handed over to the Clarkson family. Now RS will have to end up a hooker at best (although you could say she has been that since the day she hooked up with PS). She is a dust mite waiting to be swept away.

Justice has now been served.

[hiitsme]

Originally Posted by johnnyrocket

I would watch that. Rachelle couldn't survive the NG wrath.

LK has no idea who Phil Spector is. Every notice how he really doesn't know who half his guests are. Even Jerry Seinfield had to ask him "do you even know who I am". classic!

Rachelle would do best on Jerry Springer.

You found her perfect niche, Jerry Springer. So funny! I'd be shocked if she appeared on any of the prime time programs. Let's face it, there's little or no interest left in Phil so it's laughable to think she's newsworthy. Unfortunately, I don't think she'll go away with one shred of dignity or pride.

[vonna]

Originally Posted by Why?

vonna.... it amazes me... my parents were divorced in the 60s when divorces were unusual.... my dad was/is a deadbeat... my mom did not remarry... but made sure i went to college.... how she did it still amazes me....

phil is just a loser... glad his kids did not grow up to be like dear old dad

A perfect example of what I was talking about. Kudos to your mother!

[wasapi]

Originally Posted by johnnyrocket

Good post, I somewhat agree. I reserve pitty for those who deserve it. Rachelle doesn't get any pitty from me.

I completely agree with you that pity is for those who deserve it, and Rachelle is nowhere near being in that catagory.

All I feel towards her is distain and disgust. To still be attempting to slander Lana in a classic case of re-victimize-the-victim, is in my opinion obscene at best.

[cherylt]

Originally Posted by johnnyrocket

JS is soo fitting for her. Well if she had one ounce of dignity or pride she wouldn't have married that loser just for show. I'd love to know who thought that if Phil had a woman by his side that would get him off for murder?

PS probably thought it up (or mayhaps Shapiro) - who knows? Either way, since she is so YOUNG, the 1st jury didn't even know who she was & some guessed she was one of his DAUGHTERS. LOL!
She mattered NOT AT ALL - poor PS. Another one of his bright ideas down the tubes...

[bearwds]

[quote=johnnyrocket;13014421]JS is soo fitting for her. Well if she had one ounce of dignity or pride she wouldn't have married that loser just for show. I'd love to know who thought that if Phil had a woman by his side that would get him off for murder?

*************************

With absolutely no proof, I would guess LKB.


bearwds

[Jayne]

Chelle...

I don't know how to feel about her. Don't "slam me" for saying that. I really don't know. I think she was PS's puppet much of the time, and at other times she was the immature "child bride", expecting fame and fortune under the wings of PS and this trial. Would she have married him before 2/2003? I wonder. I really do not want to be "nasty" towards her. I wouldn't want to be in her shoes (which I never would have..but that's another issue).

It's like a soap opera..of the worst sort.

I sort of feel sorry for her, in a sense. I think she figured she was getting into a "great situation"..fame, fortune, promise, future. I don't know if she loved or even cared about PS..and if she did NOT, that is despicable, IMO. Maybe she did..even in the "back of her mind".

Her actions were vile - to Sprocket - to others, I even think she was one or so of the posters who were so "vile" towards me, but I forgive her. If all these things are happening, she is likely running scared...WHAT? is she to do now?

Best thing? Get on with her life...let the Spectors alone...all of them. She'll get her bit of a piece of what's left..but it belongs to those Spector children, not her. CA law...two-three years at best as CA common law married? Do the math. If all he "earned" in those years are gone..she gets "zip". What he earned before...that's HIS...to the Clarkson's...to his estate. I'd be filing right now...get a judgement...the more time she wastes, the more money that is wasted and she can't get more than 1/2 in CA. Unless, they had a pre nup or some such thing? Which I doubt. Interesting laws...very. That Castle was I believe in his name..she lived there...unless she contributed to it...whatever was "put into" or "taken out of" that house during their marriage is 1/2 her responsibility or income. She'd be treading on very thin water if it was "mortgaged"...somebody here may know more about that?

jmo

J

[Jayne]

[quote=bearwds;13014741]

Originally Posted by johnnyrocket

JS is soo fitting for her. Well if she had one ounce of dignity or pride she wouldn't have married that loser just for show. I'd love to know who thought that if Phil had a woman by his side that would get him off for murder?

*************************

With absolutely no proof, I would guess LKB.


bearwds

Ya think??!!

jmo

J

[cherylt]

Did you guys read this article? His hairpiece was taken away shortly after the mug shot was taken:

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstori...85&feedID=1198

"A mug-shot of Spector in one of his many wigs was released following the guilty verdict on Monday.

But it could be a long time before the 69-year-old music producer sees his curly locks again.

After being photographed, Spector was taken to Los Angeles' Twin Towers prison where he had to surrender all personal items, including his hair piece."

I wonder if they'll take a new pic & publish?

[vonna]

Originally Posted by cherylt

Did you guys read this article? His hairpiece was taken away shortly after the mug shot was taken:

http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstori...85&feedID=1198

"A mug-shot of Spector in one of his many wigs was released following the guilty verdict on Monday.

But it could be a long time before the 69-year-old music producer sees his curly locks again.

After being photographed, Spector was taken to Los Angeles' Twin Towers prison where he had to surrender all personal items, including his hair piece."

I wonder if they'll take a new pic & publish?

Remember when his truth-telling wife attempted to con us into believing the hair was his - in other than the sense that since he bought it - it belonged to him?

[cherylt]

Originally Posted by vonna

Remember when his truth-telling wife attempted to con us into believing the hair was his - in other than the sense that since he bought it - it belonged to him?

Yeppers - thanks for reminding me! I meant to add that to the post...That now we know FOR SURE that is not his own hair...
Gotcha Rachelle! LOL

[dref99]

Reading the link from bugout

http://www.abajournal.com/news/bad_h...t_phil_spector

Are my eyes deceiving me - with this sentence

Now that the dust is settling on Phil Spector's second-degree murder conviction this week, experts are pondering why a celebrity defendant who came close to being acquitted before his initial trial ended in a deadlocked jury in 2007 didn't beat the rap this time around.
And this one
That, however, was at the first trial, in which the jury reportedly deadlocked 10-2 for acquittal

I don't much use smilies but this type of reporting is past bad - it is 180 degrees wrong



(Maybe this reporters information came from "Stephen Gianelli" who still seems to be attacking the prosecutors here there and everywhere. )

jmo

[Mr. Moto2]

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I have a question for the Phil Spector veterans. Considering his history of pulling guns on so many people, was a criminal complaint ever filed against him? Was he even questioned by the police?

[kellabeck]

Originally Posted by dref99

Reading the link from bugout

http://www.abajournal.com/news/bad_h...t_phil_spector

Are my eyes deceiving me - with this sentence

Now that the dust is settling on Phil Spector's second-degree murder conviction this week, experts are pondering why a celebrity defendant who came close to being acquitted before his initial trial ended in a deadlocked jury in 2007 didn't beat the rap this time around.
And this one
That, however, was at the first trial, in which the jury reportedly deadlocked 10-2 for acquittal

I don't much use smilies but this type of reporting is past bad - it is 180 degrees wrong



(Maybe this reporters information came from "Stephen Gianelli" who still seems to be attacking the prosecutors here there and everywhere. )

I have sent an email of complain and correction to the writer informing her of the facts.

[dref99]

Originally Posted by kellabeck

I have sent an email of complain and correction to the writer informing her of the facts.

The facts sure make a horrible mess of her story - I notice comments now appearing also. I sent her an email also.

Funny how certain bloggers are always attacked about not giving the facts! and then we have this from the ABA


jmo

[oodi]

Originally Posted by Mr. Moto2

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I have a question for the Phil Spector veterans. Considering his history of pulling guns on so many people, was a criminal complaint ever filed against him? Was he even questioned by the police?

In one of the videos I saw of the verdict, after it was read, AJ asked for immediate remand, and mentioned a prior conviction. Sprocket states the same thing in her blog. There must have been one, but I don't have any details on it.