Vatican: Death-penalty support denies Christian belief

[Baroness]

Wonder why don't mind inviting all those death penalty proponents?

From the US Conference of Catholic Bishops:

The new evangelization calls for followers of Christ who are unconditionally pro-life: who will proclaim, celebrate and serve the Gospel of life in every situation. A sign of hope is the increasing recognition that the dignity of human life must never be taken away, even in the case of someone who has done great evil. Modern society has the means of protecting itself, without definitively denying criminals the chance to reform. I renew the appeal I made most recently at Christmas for a consensus to end the death penalty, which is both cruel and unnecessary. (Pope John Paul II, St. Louis, MO, January 1999)

http://www.usccb.org/sdwp/national/d...lyfather.shtml

Makes ya go hmmmmmmmmm.

Kate

[Baroness]

Originally Posted by bagerroness

ND student groups reject Obama invitation, launch Red Letter campaign

http://catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=15499

Knock me over with a feather.

So there's not even an attempt to explain why they would welcome George Bush or Dick Cheney to speak at Notre Dame even though they are active supporters of the Death Penalty?

[(George Bush--Notre Dame 2001) (Dick Cheney--Catholic University 2005) (John Ashcroft, Alberto Gonzales, Sam Alito, Tony Snow, Elaine Chao and Jim Towey.--Catholic University)]

Even though their own US Council has issued the Pope John Paul II's proclamation that directly contradicts the Death Penalty?

Why would their voices carry any weight if they only apply their judgement selectively and seemingly in concert not with ideals and religious precepts but with activist groups and political agendas? Didn't they just toss their moral authority?

(Activist groups BTW that provide the Catholic Church with a lot of volunteer hours---I'm just saying)

Is it just because there are always extreme people who refuse to acknowledge the double standard that betrays just how sourly brass their protests really sound?

Kate

[bagerroness]

Originally Posted by Hey Paula

I think BO should bow out of the invitation. After all, he just labeled America as "arrogant", "dismissive" and "derisive". Surely, he doesn't want to want to be viewed as a 'divisive' figure at Notre Dame. The graduates deserve fond memories in this milestone of their lives, not divisiveness.

IMO

I just started a thread about the "Arrogant" remark.. I've been reading so much about it on the internet figured it would be a good discussion.. get some different points of view.

[Lady_Jean_La]

Originally Posted by ImMyChoices

Please stop posting lies.
He said there have been times when America has shown arrogance, been dismissive, even derisive.

Showing arrogance isn't being arrogant? Been dismissive isn't being dismissive? Even derisive isn't even derisive?

[Lady_Jean_La]

Originally Posted by FallenAngel~

I can't remember I think it was closed or moved

I think I found it, the one about Obama getting three invitations but it didn't have any comments about the controversy. I think this is a different but related topic.

jmo

[justaguy]

Originally Posted by Susan43

It is a private university and they have the right to invite anyone they choose to speak. Isn't that it in a nutshell? And they invited the president to speak.

i wonder what would happen if a left-leaning private college yielded to protests..and un-invited George W. Bush...based on protests of his views and actions on the death penalty?

can you imagine the outcry?


now..actually i support all these people making their feelings known. they are allowed to feel passionately about their beliefs. but i also believe that universities ,even religious-based ones, should hold themselves to a very high standard. and for academia to bow to public pressure is dangerous. plus..what about the non-catholics there, or the pro-choice ones?

[Lady_Jean_La]

Originally Posted by justaguy

i wonder what would happen if a left-leaning private college yielded to protests..and un-invited George W. Bush...based on protests of his views and actions on the death penalty?

can you imagine the outcry?


now..actually i support all these people making their feelings known. they are allowed to feel passionately about their beliefs. but i also believe that universities ,even religious-based ones, should hold themselves to a very high standard. and for academia to bow to public pressure is dangerous. plus..what about the non-catholics there, or the pro-choice ones?

Bush ignores commencement protests
15 faculty members wear T-shirts that say, ‘We Object’

AP story

[bagerroness]

Fox is ranked #1 aren't they? others trailing for behind?

Anyway.. say what you will about Catholics.. one thing the Vatican cannot be accused of and that is flip/flopping on the right to life. How each and every life is important.. to destroy a life is a crime.. the Church as never waiver on that stance.. IMO

[MercedesV]

Originally Posted by bagerroness

Fox is ranked #1 aren't they? others trailing for behind?

Anyway.. say what you will about Catholics.. one thing the Vatican cannot be accused of and that is flip/flopping on the right to life. How each and every life is important.. to destroy a life is a crime.. the Church as never waiver on that stance.. IMO

And yet they have had speakers who support the death penalty. Why not outrage over that? If each and every life is important? Is it because many who claim to be pro life, are pro death penalty? Which makes no sense if as you claim, every life is important and to destroy a life is a crime.

[Lady_Jean_La]

Originally Posted by FallenAngel~

Vatican: Death-penalty support denies Christian belief

http://www.americancatholic.org/news...rt.aspx?id=490

What does the death penalty have to do with the invitation by Notre Dame to have President Obama speak and be honored?

[Lady_Jean_La]

Originally Posted by FallenAngel~

nothing. i was just replying to Paula. Sorry Lady

No problem. Seems the controversy is abortion and stem cell research not the death penalty.

[gnm109]

All of this must just be a tempest in a teapot since I just found out from Barry Hussein Obama that we are no longer a Chiristian nation. We are merely "citizens" lacking religious definition. We are also arrogant, derisive and what not.

That's what happens when you elect a moslem (sic) sympathizer to be your president. I stress the "your president".

This nation was founded on Chiristian principles. In my opinion, abortion is a sin against God and humanity and I'm not even a Catholic. That's one place where the Catholics have got it right.

However, your new president is in favor of partial birth abortions, even killing children that are born alive if they have been marked by the mother for death. Check his voting record when he was a state senator.

As to Obama speaking at the Notre Dame commencement, I don't think he should be prevented from doing so. Just make sure that he can't use a teleprompter so we can see how he reacts to impromptu questioning after the speech, if any is permitted.

With regard to the students at Notre Dame, one can see why they are upset. Notre Dame, as far as I know, is a Catholic-based institution. Obama has determined that the Conscience Clause should be abolished since it gets in the way of his plan for socialized medicine and free, widespread abortions at all stages of gestation. That would mean that Catholic Hospitals might be forced to counsel women regarding the benefits of abortion and that they might even be forced to do abortions or close up shop.

Nice. Thanks a lot Barry. What a great guy!

To keep to the theme of the OP's thread, I really don't care about the death penalty. They can keep it or get rid of it just so the crminals never see the light of day again.

As far as inviting Bush and Cheney, they are not the only ones in favor of the death penalty. Many of the states also have approved it. My attitude is that anyone should be allowed to speak. Fair and balanced, that's what I say......where did I hear that?.....oh never mind.