Michelle Fisher Young 4-1-09

[Tia]

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[achristie]

This was such a great summation by Swabby, I thought I'd re-post on the new thread.
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No, I don't think they would keep bloody linens and the mattress, but when a family goes in to clean up instead of hiring a cleaning crew that is trained in handling hazardous materials, I get an uneasy feeling.

When a family goes to such a crime scene and takes pictures of the blood and gore, a little light bulb goes off in my head.

When a family takes friends and neighbors to view the horrendous scene, warning bells start ringing.

When a family suddenly claims a part of a tooth was overlooked by the investigators after they had spent the better part of two weeks in the house, I remember that Cassidy's tooth box was reported missing by Jason's mother.

When a family hits message boards all over the Internet making excuses for Jason, long before there has been so much as a whimper out of the WCSD, I see a pattern developing.

When SWs are released looking in Brevard for things that Pat Young reported missing from the Birchleaf house, I sit up and take notice.

When Pat Young says that $500.00 in cash, in a new wallet was taken from Jason's closet, I feel like I have been lied to.

When Pat Young tells LE that Jason neither washed, changed or discarded any clothing while at her home, yet the dark colored long sleeve pullover garment with a lighter colored thin stripe bisecting the chest area is not among the items in Jason's vehicle, sirens start blaring.

When a family sits idly by while their son allows himself to be declared a slayer, I feel like some people think the rest of the world is stupid.

When a family sits idly by while their son cedes PRIMARY physical custody of their granddaughter, bells and whistles deafen me. AND When the gist of that agreement centers on ceasing discovery and keeping Cassidy away from the media, I KNOW that the Custody Agreement is not about Cassidy.

When a family sits idly by while their son allows a multimillion dollar judgment to be entered against him, I know someone is trying to play me for a fool. MOO
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[reborn]

Originally Posted by Christie

This was such a great summation by Swabby, I thought I'd re-post on the new thread.
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No, I don't think they would keep bloody linens and the mattress, but when a family goes in to clean up instead of hiring a cleaning crew that is trained in handling hazardous materials, I get an uneasy feeling.

When a family goes to such a crime scene and takes pictures of the blood and gore, a little light bulb goes off in my head.

When a family takes friends and neighbors to view the horrendous scene, warning bells start ringing.

When a family suddenly claims a part of a tooth was overlooked by the investigators after they had spent the better part of two weeks in the house, I remember that Cassite's tooth box was reported missing by Jason's mother.

When a family hits message boards all over the Internet making excuses for Jason, long before there has been so much as a whimper out of the WC SD, I see a pattern developing.

When Saws are released looking in Bereaved for things that Pat Young reported missing from the Birch leaf house, I sit up and take notice.

When Pat Young says that $500.00 in cash, in a new wallet was taken from Jason's closet, I feel like I have been lied to.

When Pat Young tells LE that Jason neither washed, changed or discarded any clothing while at her home, yet the dark colored long sleeve pullover garment with a lighter colored thin stripe bisecting the chest area is not among the items in Jason's vehicle, sirens start blaring.

When a family sits idly by while their son allows himself to be declared a slayer, I feel like some people think the rest of the world is stupid.

When a family sits idly by while their son cedes PRIMARY physical custody of their granddaughter, bells and whistles deafen me. AND When the gist of that agreement centers on ceasing discovery and keeping Cassite away from the media, I KNOW that the Custody Agreement is not about Cassite.

When a family sits idly by while their son allows a multi million dollar judgment to be entered against him, I know someone is trying to play me for a fool. MOO
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"Silence is Golden." At what Price? So Far:

Not one thing she wrote is evidence of murder. Jason Young is following his attorney's advice and not talking to the investigators. I know he had an attorney during the custody agreement and I would bet he had the same attorney for the EDS. I think both of these suits was to get a deposition out of Jason. The general public doesn't know what transpired between LE and Jason the day Michelle was murdered. The fact that Jason's mom said she thought Jason would be arrested that night tells me it wasn't pretty. I think Jason is doing exactly what he should be doing and that is following his attorney's advice. Let LE solve the murder. That is their job. Why in the world would you question a mother saying she had just given her son $500.00? What would be her motive for doing that ? I think she has proof where she got the money or she wouldn't have said it. Now my antenna's would have gone up if when all the warrants they have served on Jason had found any evidence that showed he was any where near his home that night. To my knowledge nothing has been found. Some where there is a valuable set of rings and other jewelery. That jewelery wasn't thrown away as many would like to believe someone has it. How do you know that was Cassie's tooth box? I would assume it was Michelle's from when she was little.. I doubt Cassie has lost a tooth yet.The neighbors that went into the house were there to help with the clean up. They weren't there as gawkers. The photos taken were taken by an insurance adjuster. They have been kept very private. I haven't seen a one of them on the Internet. Have you? I think the agreement to keep the media away from Cassie was a wise thing for Jason to do. Why on earth do you think this little girl should be exposed to the media? Wral and NC Wanted exposed her enough as it goes. I wonder what the person that furnished those videos and photos were paid for them? I bet they didn't go cheap.

[janesdeaan]

snipped from reborns post:
"Not one thing she wrote is evidence of murder."


I read where other posters didn't want to answer your post where you ask to be shown evidence that points to Jason as Michelle's killer. They didn't want to REPEAT what they say they've told you over and over. But, I will give you my list of what points to Jason and ONLY Jason as the killer of Michelle, and I hope you read it because IMO, it is alot more incriminating than your idea of what is wrong with this picture ( I believe I read where you say misplaced keys is incriminating evidence of murder, how ?)

Jason left his home Nov 2, the nite before a meeting to get a head start on the drive, that meeting was scheduled for 10:30 the following day. He didn't want to join Michelle and Cassidy and friend for dinner, because he wasn't hungry. He then went to Cracker Barrel and had dinner. On the drive, he phoned two different friends and told them two different reasons why he was getting a hotel. One he told he was tired from driving the mountainous roads, which we heard from Det. Spivey that the route Jason drove was not mountainous. Jason phoned another friend and said he was getting a room, so he could watch some game that was on. He also told both of these friends an overdone outline of his plans for the following day (establishing alibi). He drove only 2.5 hours from his home and stopped and got a room. This was getting a head start on the long drive ? He checked in and is shown in a video wearing one set of clothes, next, (an HOUR later, but he was TIRED !) you see him on the hotel video wearing dark, baggy clothes carrying what looks like gloves and other things. He is seen on this video heading towards an exit door. So, if he was only driving 2.5 hours on his "get a head start drive" because he was tired OR because he wanted to watch the game, why is he leaving the hotel an hour after he checks in, wearing dark, suspicious looking clothes ? Why isn't he sleeping, or watching the game ? He's LEAVING the hotel at midnight !!! The next 7 hours Jason is NOT accounted for. The key to Jason's room is never used again after check IN time. Then, we find out Jason's cell phone has been shut off that entire 7 hours he is not accounted for. THEN, Jason is thirty minutes LATE FOR HIS 10:30 AM MEETING !!!! And a spokesperson from the hospital meeting says Jason not only was 30 minutes LATE for it, but he arrived acting all NERVOUS !! Then, Jason is busy calling his mother 28 times on his drive to Brevard, after that meeting. TWENTY EIGHT PHONE CALLS to his MOTHER ! And, these 28 phone calls mysteriously STOP at 1:30, the time Meredith Fisher made her 911 call reporting her sisters murder. Then Jason ignores voice messages left by his mother in law, asking him to PLEASE call ME BACK. He doesn't call her back, very strange.
But, he has plenty of chat time available for his mom, and his lover, Michelle Money. So, he shows up in Brevard, and is told by his step dad about Michelle, he "falls plumb to his knees". LE calls him and he doesn't ask anything about Cassidy, or how Michelle died, he then refuses to talk to cops tells them call his lawyer and HANGS UP on the cops. Late, and I mean LATE that nite he finally arrives in Raleigh, but doesn't go anywhere near his home, just straight to Merediths and runs in the house leaving his mom to deal with the cops. OOPS I forgot his call to Meredith earlier that day, asking her to go to his house and get some lame paper off his printer, a ploy to have her find the body and RESCUE HIS DAUGHTER IMO. Ok, the murder scene is investigated, and Jason's DNA is on the bedroom wall above where Michelle is found, his DNA is surrounded, possibly covered by Blood Spatter, the blood is Michelle's the DNA under it is HIS. His bloody shoeprints are found in the bedroom, another print,smaller size shoe, but a brand he is known to own is also found. There is a report of Jason's feet being photographed with blisters consistant with wearing too small of shoes when he goes to give his prints and DNA sample several days after murder. Also, the smaller shoe print in blood matches a shoeprint in the deck stain at the Young home. Hey, this is a GOOD start on a list of reasons, and I haven't even added the part about him NOT fighting a Wrongful Death Suit, and being named the SLAYER of MICHELLE YOUNG, or the part where he just hands custody of his ONLY CHILD to Meredith and Linda Fisher (after keeping Cassidy away from them for 2.5 years) all of a sudden he is more than willing for Meredith to raise Cassidy. Or, how Michelle Youngs own FATHER gave statements to cops that he thinks Jason killed Michelle TOO !!! Oh, and the 15 million he owes for killing Michelle fits in here too. So, reborn there you have ONLY a PARTIAL list of the things that point to Jason Young as the person that killed Michelle Young, and there are many more reasons, but I'm sick of typing. (And I think you really know these things as well as I do) but for some reason you cite things like missplaced keys as the only evidence. ??? Oh man, I almost forgot the INTERNET SEARCHES on Jason Youngs computer, ANATOMY of a KNOCKOUT, HEAD TRAUMA KNOCKOUT, ESCHEMIA (strangulation), OPPORTUNITY, damage to back, lower right part of head, divorce, Michelle Money, gay bars, Eric Rudolph (another murderer who disappeared into mountains after murder), real estate info on the Birchleaf home, and that Carol Anne Sowerby person. OK, I'm done, you read over this list and lemme know what you think GOOD NIGHT

[BiggerRedDog]

[5swab5]

I missed the part about the timing of Meredith's 911 call and the last call to Pat Young, very interesting!

I have always thought that Jason was wandering around waiting on a call from Meredith to confirm that she had discovered Michelle so he could go home for his acting debut, but the calls from Linda would have served the same purpose.

1:25PM 911 call by Meredith (5:44)
1:37PM last call to Pat Young
1:53:04PM FROM Linda Fisher (0 seconds)
1:53:23PM FROM Linda Fisher (44 seconds)...Jason is on the phone with Michelle Money
2:05PM last phone call to Michelle Money (~27 minutes)
2:51PM FROM Linda Fisher (0 seconds)
2:52PM FROM Linda Fisher (38 seconds)

Jason does check his voice mail, but does not return a call to Linda, even tho he has already been unsuccessful in contacting Michelle Young twice this morning, even tho Michelle is pregnant and a call from Linda is not a usual occurrence. Linda's message: I need to talk to you. Please call me back. Of course Jason can't be bothered, because he is yucking it up with his honey, Michelle Money.

So lets see, Meredith gets off the phone with the 911 Operator or rather is switched to the Sheriff's Office and their 911...Wonder if Meredith called Pat's house after that, looking for Jason?

Hmm, at any rate....after 28 calls in 6 hours, unless he was talking to Pat during the meeting at the hospital. Actually once you allow for the time that we know he was on the phone with Michelle Money and at Dickenson Hospital, it is more like 28 calls in 5 hours. Deducting a few seconds here and there for dialing and connection time, that's like a call every 10 minutes for 5 straight hours. Holy Moly! Sure screams of urgency to me.

But all of a sudden, ~12 minutes after Meredith calls 911, Pat and Jason run out of things to talk about. RiiighT MOO

[reborn]

[quote=janesdeaan;12959209]snipped from reborns post:
"Not one thing she wrote is evidence of murder."


I read where other posters didn't want to answer your post where you ask to be shown evidence that points to Jason as Michelle's killer. They didn't want to REPEAT what they say they've told you over and over. But, I will give you my list of what points to Jason and ONLY Jason as the killer of Michelle, and I hope you read it because IMO, it is alot more incriminating than your idea of what is wrong with this picture ( I believe I read where you say misplaced keys is incriminating evidence of murder, how ?)

Jason left his home Nov 2, the nite before a meeting to get a head start on the drive, that meeting was scheduled for 10:30 the following day. He didn't want to join Michelle and Cassidy and friend for dinner, because he wasn't hungry. He then went to Cracker Barrel and had dinner. On the drive, he phoned two different friends and told them two different reasons why he was getting a hotel. One he told he was tired from driving the mountainous roads, which we heard from Det. Spivey that the route Jason drove was not mountainous. Jason phoned another friend and said he was getting a room, so he could watch some game that was on. He also told both of these friends an overdone outline of his plans for the following day (establishing alibi). He drove only 2.5 hours from his home and stopped and got a room. This was getting a head start on the long drive ? He checked in and is shown in a video wearing one set of clothes, next, (an HOUR later, but he was TIRED !) you see him on the hotel video wearing dark, baggy clothes carrying what looks like gloves and other things. He is seen on this video heading towards an exit door. So, if he was only driving 2.5 hours on his "get a head start drive" because he was tired OR because he wanted to watch the game, why is he leaving the hotel an hour after he checks in, wearing dark, suspicious looking clothes ? Why isn't he sleeping, or watching the game ? He's LEAVING the hotel at midnight !!! The next 7 hours Jason is NOT accounted for. The key to Jason's room is never used again after check IN time. Then, we find out Jason's cell phone has been shut off that entire 7 hours he is not accounted for. THEN, Jason is thirty minutes LATE FOR HIS 10:30 AM MEETING !!!! And a spokesperson from the hospital meeting says Jason not only was 30 minutes LATE for it, but he arrived acting all NERVOUS !! Then, Jason is busy calling his mother 28 times on his drive to Brevard, after that meeting. TWENTY EIGHT PHONE CALLS to his MOTHER ! And, these 28 phone calls mysteriously STOP at 1:30, the time Meredith Fisher made her 911 call reporting her sisters murder. Then Jason ignores voice messages left by his mother in law, asking him to PLEASE call ME BACK. He doesn't call her back, very strange.
But, he has plenty of chat time available for his mom, and his lover, Michelle Money. So, he shows up in Brevard, and is told by his step dad about Michelle, he "falls plumb to his knees". LE calls him and he doesn't ask anything about Cassidy, or how Michelle died, he then refuses to talk to cops tells them call his lawyer and HANGS UP on the cops. Late, and I mean LATE that nite he finally arrives in Raleigh, but doesn't go anywhere near his home, just straight to Merediths and runs in the house leaving his mom to deal with the cops. Michelle's the DNA under it is HIS. His bloody shoeprints are found in the bedroom, another print,smaller size shoe, but a brand he is known to own is also found. There is a report of Jason's feet being photographed with blisters consistant with wearing too small of shoes when he goes to give his prints and DNA sample several days after murder. Also, the smaller shoe print in blood matches a shoeprint in the deck stain at the Young home. Hey, this is a GOOD start on a list of reasons, and I haven't even added the part about him NOT fighting a Wrongful Death Suit, and being named the SLAYER of MICHELLE YOUNG, or the part where he just hands custody of his ONLY CHILD to Meredith and Linda Fisher (after keeping Cassidy away from them for 2.5 years) all of a sudden he is more than willing for Meredith to raise Cassidy. Or, how Michelle Youngs own FATHER gave statements to cops that he thinks Jason killed Michelle TOO !!! Oh, and the 15 million he owes for killing Michelle fits in here too. So, reborn there you have ONLY a PARTIAL list of the things that point to Jason Young as the person that killed Michelle Young, and there are many more reasons, but I'm sick of typing. (And I think you really know these things as well as I do) but for some reason you cite things like missplaced keys as the only evidence. ???

I have just spent an hour writing you and before I could hit send it went poof.

So I,m just going to first ask you to clear up some statements you have made.

Where did you get the information that bloody shoe prints at the murder scene matched Jason's shoes?

I believe it said the outer sole was like a pr of hush puppies that Jason owned.

Where did you get your information that Jason has been known to have owned a pr of shoes like the smaller size 10 shoe print?

Where did you get your information that the print on the pillow and the deck stain was the same?

Do you have any information on who all had excess to the Young's computer?

I have a feeling this was the home computer as all other times Jason's laptop is addressed as such.

As for the NY Gay bars . Do you have any information if or how often Jason was ever in NY?

When Jason was having dinner at CB and talking to his friends Michelle was watching a TV show with a friend. What does either of these things have to do with her murder?
Jason checked into his motel. A record has been made. Why is he still stumbling around in the hallway there an hr later? Shouldn't he be on his way to Raleigh to kill his wife?

The warrant says he was seen in a hallway headed toward an exit. That hallway also headed towards the stairs up to Jasons room. LE didn't want you to know that.

Do you have any proof of how many of the 28 calls made to Jason's mom was answered? Maybe one or 2? Maybe all of them?

I don't find it suspicious of Jason not returning Linda Fishers calls.

Now if Meredith or Wake County had called him, oh yea I would be real suspicious as to why he wasn't returning their calls.

Just a personal observation but I don't think he ever liked Linda Fisher.

Do you know how many times Jason or his family had talked to Meredith on their way back to Raleigh? Do you know if Jason has talked to Cassie? Surely he had because he knew thats where Cassie was and they went straight there.

I thought they arrived at 9:30 in the evening not late in the night as you stated.

Its about a 5 and a half hour drive from Raleigh to Brevard. If he arrived at his moms at 3:30 the earliest he could have been in Raleigh was 9 PM. Doesn't seem like they wasted to much time.

Wonder why Jason brought his car back to Raleigh? LE thought they saw blood. Probably even wanted to. Wonder why if he had come from such a bloody crime scene and no time to do a clean up his car didn't have any blood in it?
Wonder if he had anything to hide he even used his car. You know like maybe a missing shirt .

His whole day was accounted for except for 35 minutes when he was lost.

LE thought they were going to find blood in Michelle's car 15 months later. If Michelle's car was used to remove Cassie the person that used it had all day to clean it up.

I have questions I would like to see the answers to. I will list them later.

[gbmy]

Originally Posted by janesdeaan

snipped from reborns post:
"Not one thing she wrote is evidence of murder."

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Jason left his home Nov 2, the nite before a meeting to get a head start on the drive, that meeting was scheduled for 10:30 the following day.
He then went to Cracker Barrel and had dinner. On the drive, he phoned two different friends and told them two different reasons why he was getting a hotel. One he told he was tired from driving the mountainous roads, which we heard from Det. Spivey that the route Jason drove was not mountainous. Jason phoned another friend and said he was getting a room, so he could watch some game that was on. He also told both of these friends an overdone outline of his plans for the following day (establishing alibi). He drove only 2.5 hours from his home and stopped and got a room. This was getting a head start on the long drive ? He checked in and is shown in a video wearing one set of clothes, next, (an HOUR later, but he was TIRED !) you see him on the hotel video wearing dark, baggy clothes carrying what looks like gloves and other things. He is seen on this video heading towards an exit door. So, if he was only driving 2.5 hours on his "get a head start drive" because he was tired OR because he wanted to watch the game, why is he leaving the hotel an hour after he checks in, wearing dark, suspicious looking clothes ? Why isn't he sleeping, or watching the game ? He's LEAVING the hotel at midnight !!! The next 7 hours Jason is NOT accounted for. The key to Jason's room is never used again after check IN time. Then, we find out Jason's cell phone has been shut off that entire 7 hours he is not accounted for. THEN, Jason is thirty minutes LATE FOR HIS 10:30 AM MEETING !!!! And a spokesperson from the hospital meeting says Jason not only was 30 minutes LATE for it, but he arrived acting all NERVOUS !! Then, Jason is busy calling his mother 28 times on his drive to Brevard, after that meeting. TWENTY EIGHT PHONE CALLS to his MOTHER ! And, these 28 phone calls mysteriously STOP at 1:30, the time Meredith Fisher made her 911 call reporting her sisters murder. Then Jason ignores voice messages left by his mother in law, asking him to PLEASE call ME BACK. He doesn't call her back, very strange.
But, he has plenty of chat time available for his mom, and his lover, Michelle Money. So, he shows up in Brevard, and is told by his step dad about Michelle, he "falls plumb to his knees". LE calls him and he doesn't ask anything about Cassidy, or how Michelle died, he then refuses to talk to cops tells them call his lawyer and HANGS UP on the cops. Late, and I mean LATE that nite he finally arrives in Raleigh, but doesn't go anywhere near his home, just straight to Merediths and runs in the house leaving his mom to deal with the cops. OOPS I forgot his call to Meredith earlier that day, asking her to go to his house and get some lame paper off his printer, a ploy to have her find the body and RESCUE HIS DAUGHTER IMO. Ok, the murder scene is investigated, and Jason's DNA is on the bedroom wall above where Michelle is found, his DNA is surrounded, possibly covered by Blood Spatter, the blood is Michelle's the DNA under it is HIS. His bloody shoeprints are found in the bedroom, another print,smaller size shoe, but a brand he is known to own is also found. There is a report of Jason's feet being photographed with blisters consistant with wearing too small of shoes when he goes to give his prints and DNA sample several days after murder. Also, the smaller shoe print in blood matches a shoeprint in the deck stain at the Young home. Hey, this is a GOOD start on a list of reasons, and I haven't even added the part about him NOT fighting a Wrongful Death Suit, and being named the SLAYER of MICHELLE YOUNG, or the part where he just hands custody of his ONLY CHILD to Meredith and Linda Fisher (after keeping Cassidy away from them for 2.5 years) all of a sudden he is more than willing for Meredith to raise Cassidy. Or, how Michelle Youngs own FATHER gave statements to cops that he thinks Jason killed Michelle TOO !!! Oh, and the 15 million he owes for killing Michelle fits in here too. So, reborn there you have ONLY a PARTIAL list of the things that point to Jason Young as the person that killed Michelle Young, and there are many more reasons, but I'm sick of typing. (And I think you really know these things as well as I do) but for some reason you cite things like missplaced keys as the only evidence. ??? Oh man, I almost forgot the INTERNET SEARCHES on Jason Youngs computer, ANATOMY of a KNOCKOUT, HEAD TRAUMA KNOCKOUT, ESCHEMIA (strangulation), OPPORTUNITY<snip)

Your post basically nets out to the following 6 points which an attorney can so easily refute (yes, individually and collectively) to introduce plenty of reasonable doubt.

1. Speculative intangibles about why he left when he left and why he stayed in the Hampton Inn
(He wasn't hungry, stopped in a hotel to break up his trip, shared 2 reasons for staying at HI. So what? You can find many examples of traveling workers doing similar things....this is a ho hummer and hugely speculative....riddled with serious reasonable doubt.)

2. Happenings while he was checked into the hotel/accounting for those 7 wee hours of the morning time.
(So, he changes his clothes, perhaps watches a game on TV for an hour, takes a walk in the hallway (TOWARDS an exit, but could have been TOWARDS other things too).....Perhaps it was a quick snack break which is why he left his door ajar.....I've done that before and I'm sure I'm not the only one who has. Oh, and he can't account for his hours from midnight on? hmmmm, perhaps he was sleeping just like 1000s of other business travelers and most other people were at that hour. Is that so hard to swallow?

3. Actions/Behavior after the murder
(calling his mom 28 times.....What does this mean? One can only speculate as to what they talked about. Hanging up on LE....well, what was the exact content of that discussion? Were they implicating him? Gosh, the guy just found out his wife was murdered....I wouldn't be in any mood to talk either especially if I felt I was being treated harshly/like a criminal.

4. Forensic evidence
(The foot prints are 2 sizes too small.....knock yourself out with 'explaining' some theory about the possibilities of blisters forming so quickly.......And, why would he wear those same 2 sizes to small shoes to stain his deck? All part of his planning? Pure and utter speculation....DNA on the wall? Yep, just like 1000s of other people who have their DNA prints in their house (remember, his DNA was 'surrounded' by blood not 'in' the blood....if I'm mistaken about me, post a link).

5. Remaining silent/not cooperating with police
(doesn't call Linda F back, hangs up on LE without asking about CY, lawyers up, runs to Meredith when arriving in Raleigh vs. speaking w/LE....Well, maybe he simply didn't get Linda's message. Maybe he ran to Meredith after getting to Raleigh instead of talking to LE because a) he wanted to see CY, who was there and b) perhaps LE had already treated him like a criminal. ll subsequent silence and its meaning have been re-hashed as nausea over the last 2+ years. You can vent your frustration with this all you want but it is a fact that he's following his attorney's advice.....an attorney he's paying big bucks too.

6. Troubled marriage
Yeah, a very unfortunate reality in today's world. A much larger % than we'd like to see cheat on their spouses.....it's disgusting.

For me, the Internet searches and phone call to get Meredith to pick up the document are the 2 things that shake my belief in his innocence.

[5swab5]

Originally Posted by gbmy

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For me, the Internet searches and phone call to get Meredith to pick up the document are the 2 things that shake my belief in his innocence.

Like I have said time and time again. You can make up excuses for and rationalize any one action all you want, but a jury will not accept excuse after excuse for every little thing. They will look at things in totality. Crimes are a messy business, but a puzzle. Especially since the whole idea is for the culprit to escape prosecution.

There are not dozens and dozens of incriminating circumstances on November 2-3 2007 that shine the spotlight on Jason for no reason.

Another thing you need to work on, is why Jason had more gas in his vehicle than he could have possibly had, given his travels and his gas purchases on those two days....even IF he simply went to VA and on to his meeting. MOO

[janesdeaan]

Happy Easter everyone, hope you all have a great holiday. And Happy Easter to Cassidy, too and all of OUR lil darlings !!

Maybe they'll be a breakthrough this weekend, and we'll see some justice for Michelle and Rylan, hope hope !!

[janesdeaan]

I'm bringing this over from yesterday, reborns post :

Old 04-09-2009, 11:37 AM
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I used the word estimated. Not nearly as misleading as saying he has sped in the past therefore he probably sped the night of the murder.

reborn~ I can't understand why you kept insisting the poster had stated that Jason received a speeding ticket the night of the murder, when it was clear she did not say that at all. When someone repeatedly misrepresents another poster (in spite of several other posters who were trying to help you with your confusion) it really takes away from the informative and interesting posts that others are trying to make. And that takes away from all of us who are trying to read and respond, IMO it is a form of baiting which is a violation of TOS. Jason Young has had quite a history of speeding tickets, and back in the beginning of this case it was discussed thoroughly and most of us KNOW he has a lead foot. Therefore Swabby's post made complete sense to us, sorry if you didn't catch on to that info a long time ago. Maybe that's what caused your confusion, hope this helps !! happy easter to you and yours !!

[enigma™]

Originally Posted by janesdeaan

I'm bringing this over from yesterday, reborns post :

Old 04-09-2009, 11:37 AM
reborn reborn is offline
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I used the word estimated. Not nearly as misleading as saying he has sped in the past therefore he probably sped the night of the murder.

reborn~ I can't understand why you kept insisting the poster had stated that Jason received a speeding ticket the night of the murder, when it was clear she did not say that at all. When someone repeatedly misrepresents another poster (in spite of several other posters who were trying to help you with your confusion) it really takes away from the informative and interesting posts that others are trying to make. And that takes away from all of us who are trying to read and respond, IMO it is a form of baiting which is a violation of TOS. Jason Young has had quite a history of speeding tickets, and back in the beginning of this case it was discussed thoroughly and most of us KNOW he has a lead foot. Therefore Swabby's post made complete sense to us, sorry if you didn't catch on to that info a long time ago. Maybe that's what caused your confusion, hope this helps !! happy easter to you and yours !!

Thanks for the thread, janesdeaan! Happy Easter to you and yours, a blessed Passover to those of the Jewish faith.

Swabby's post made perfect sense to me, too. RIF! MUO

[Leanne Weich]

Happy Easter to you too Jane and to all who faithfully wait, hope and pray for justice for Michelle.

Do you happen to know where Cassidy is this weekend?

[enigma™]

Originally Posted by Leanne Weich

Happy Easter to you too Jane and to all who faithfully wait, hope and pray for justice for Michelle.

Do you happen to know where Cassidy is this weekend?

I believe she is with Meredith.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally Posted by enigma™

I believe she is with Meredith.

Wonderful. I hope she has a fabulous time and I'm sure Meredith will organize a great easter egg hunt for her.

[Cardinal]

Reborn, I take exception to this comment from the other thread:

"...Alan Fisher was a wolf in a lambs coat."

Alan Fisher, God rest his soul, was the father of a woman who was brutally murdered, and whose son-in-law's agenda was to move beyond it.

IMVHO, he tried, initially, to give Jason the benefit of the doubt. I think it's wrong to criticize AF because Jason's actions and inactions seemed to confirm his worst fears.

I also think it's disingenuous of the JIIs, after months of asserting that AF's "support" of Jason was indicative of Jason's innocence, to berate the man at this point.

JMO

[enigma™]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Reborn, I take exception to this comment from the other thread:

"...Alan Fisher was a wolf in a lambs coat."

Alan Fisher, God rest his soul, was the father of a woman who was brutally murdered, and whose son-in-law's agenda was to move beyond it.

IMVHO, he tried, initially, to give Jason the benefit of the doubt. I think it's wrong to criticize AF because Jason's actions and inactions seemed to confirm his worst fears.

I also think it's disingenuous of the JIIs, after months of asserting that AF's "support" of Jason was indicative of Jason's innocence, to berate the man at this point.

JMO

Some posters have taken victim bashing to a new low.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Reborn, I take exception to this comment from the other thread:

"...Alan Fisher was a wolf in a lambs coat."

Alan Fisher, God rest his soul, was the father of a woman who was brutally murdered, and whose son-in-law's agenda was to move beyond it.

IMVHO, he tried, initially, to give Jason the benefit of the doubt. I think it's wrong to criticize AF because Jason's actions and inactions seemed to confirm his worst fears.

I also think it's disingenuous of the JIIs, after months of asserting that AF's "support" of Jason was indicative of Jason's innocence, to berate the man at this point.

JMO

That was, imo, a particularly low blow but I'm not surprised given how the same poster has trashed Meredith. Have a very happy Easter Card.

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by Leanne Weich

That was, imo, a particularly low blow but I'm not surprised given how the same poster has trashed Meredith. Have a very happy Easter Card.

And a lovely Easter to you as well, Leanne.

And on this commemoration of the resurrection, may everyone say a prayer for justice for Michelle and Rylan, who I know are in His arms.

ETA: And may everyone also say a prayer for Cassidy, that she knows her mother is always with her in spirit.

Goodnight, everyone.

[janesdeaan]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Reborn, I take exception to this comment from the other thread:

"...Alan Fisher was a wolf in a lambs coat."

Alan Fisher, God rest his soul, was the father of a woman who was brutally murdered, and whose son-in-law's agenda was to move beyond it.

IMVHO, he tried, initially, to give Jason the benefit of the doubt. I think it's wrong to criticize AF because Jason's actions and inactions seemed to confirm his worst fears.

I also think it's disingenuous of the JIIs, after months of asserting that AF's "support" of Jason was indicative of Jason's innocence, to berate the man at this point.

JMO

Hi Cardinal, thanks for addressing this post, I don't know how I had forgotten it, because it stunned me when I read it. Alan Fisher was a very kind man, good hearted is what I got from his writings. Hardly the awful man that poster described, the poor man was suffering in more ways than one at the end of his life. He was quite gracious when he wrote about Jason and his opinion of him and what he had done to Michelle, I doubt I would have been as kind or diplomatic. It is very sad to me the way the Fishers have been treated on this board, they seem to be so gentle and dignified in dealing with this trauma and the way they are villified here is atrocious. Happy Easter Card, it's good to see you.

[reborn]

Originally Posted by janesdeaan

I'm bringing this over from yesterday, reborns post :

Old 04-09-2009, 11:37 AM
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I used the word estimated. Not nearly as misleading as saying he has sped in the past therefore he probably sped the night of the murder.

reborn~ I can't understand why you kept insisting the poster had stated that Jason received a speeding ticket the night of the murder, when it was clear she did not say that at all. When someone repeatedly misrepresents another poster (in spite of several other posters who were trying to help you with your confusion) it really takes away from the informative and interesting posts that others are trying to make. And that takes away from all of us who are trying to read and respond, IMO it is a form of baiting which is a violation of TOS. Jason Young has had quite a history of speeding tickets, and back in the beginning of this case it was discussed thoroughly and most of us KNOW he has a lead foot. Therefore Swabby's post made complete sense to us, sorry if you didn't catch on to that info a long time ago. Maybe that's what caused your confusion, hope this helps !! happy easter to you and yours !!

Happy Easter to you and yours may God Bless. I haven't continues to insist she said he got a ticket. I understood when she explained that there wasn't a ticket that night. I was talking about what I knew from warrants and the autopsy report. In my opinion that would be direct evidence. She comments back about the speeding. I had no knowledge of Jason speeding record. I have read every warrant and I have never seen anything about speed. I will take your word for it that somewhere there is evidence to this. I haven't seen it. As for as I am concerned the talk about the speeding is finished. I can't understand why it keeps getting bumped back up. In the post you responded to she was correcting me. I explained that I said estimated.

[Stellagant]

Originally Posted by reborn

Happy Easter to you and yours may God Bless. I haven't continues to insist she said he got a ticket. I understood when she explained that there wasn't a ticket that night. I was talking about what I knew from warrants and the autopsy report. In my opinion that would be direct evidence. She comments back about the speeding. I had no knowledge of Jason speeding record. I have read every warrant and I have never seen anything about speed. I will take your word for it that somewhere there is evidence to this. I haven't seen it. As for as I am concerned the talk about the speeding is finished. I can't understand why it keeps getting bumped back up. In the post you responded to she was correcting me. I explained that I said estimated.

It keeps getting bumped back up out of desperation and impatience is my guess. Spivey's proclamation that Jason is the killer still hasn't resulted in an arrest and his fan club appears to be concerned Spivey just might be wrong afterall. But not even Spivey has presented the ridiculous theory that Jason waited around an hour and then decided to take the risk to speed back to Raleigh despite Jason's history of getting caught speeding--rather than simply leaving the hotel soon after he arrived. Juries don't accept such absurd theories and neither does the DA. It's right up there with the hogwash theory presented nowhere but on the Internet that even though Michelle's body was stiff with rigor mortis, (according to Meredith), livor mortis wasn't fixed.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Originally Posted by Stellagant

It keeps getting bumped back up out of desperation and impatience is my guess. Spivey's proclamation that Jason is the killer still hasn't resulted in an arrest and his fan club appears to be concerned Spivey just might be wrong afterall. But not even Spivey has presented the ridiculous theory that Jason waited around an hour and then decided to take the risk to speed back to Raleigh despite Jason's history of getting caught speeding--rather than simply leaving the hotel soon after he arrived. Juries don't accept such absurd theories and neither does the DA. It's right up there with the hogwash theory presented nowhere but on the Internet that even though Michelle's body was stiff with rigor mortis, (according to Meredith), livor mortis wasn't fixed.

Michelle's body was stiff with rigor mortis

Link please.........

[5swab5]

Originally Posted by Stellagant

It keeps getting bumped back up out of desperation and impatience is my guess. Spivey's proclamation that Jason is the killer still hasn't resulted in an arrest and his fan club appears to be concerned Spivey just might be wrong afterall. But not even Spivey has presented the ridiculous theory that Jason waited around an hour and then decided to take the risk to speed back to Raleigh despite Jason's history of getting caught speeding--rather than simply leaving the hotel soon after he arrived. Juries don't accept such absurd theories and neither does the DA. It's right up there with the hogwash theory presented nowhere but on the Internet that even though Michelle's body was stiff with rigor mortis, (according to Meredith), livor mortis wasn't fixed.

I think it is totally unfair for you to come on here and mock a man that has been doing everything in his power to get justice for Michelle and Rylan. Thank Goodness for dedicated souls that actually care about those that can no longer speak for themselves.

Spivey will get his man and the slayer is his man, premeditated and all. MOO

[ginky41]

Pardon my ignorance in this case, I only know a very little. Who is Rylan? Have they ever formally charged any suspects? Am I correct in reading that Michelle's father has passed away? Are folks still mostly leaning toward Jason being the killer? TIA.

[janesdeaan]

Originally Posted by ginky41

Pardon my ignorance in this case, I only know a very little. Who is Rylan? Have they ever formally charged any suspects? Am I correct in reading that Michelle's father has passed away? Are folks still mostly leaning toward Jason being the killer? TIA.

Rylan was the unborn son of Michelle, who was murdered along with her.
No one has been charged in her murder, but Jason, Michelle's husband was deemed the slayer in the wrongful death suit her mother filed against him. Also, he has had a judgement filed against him as well, for $15 million for the murder. The lead detective in this case has also publicly stated his opinion (testimony in the wrongful death suit) is that Jason is the murderer and that it was pre-meditated. Sadly, Michelle's father didn't live to see the murderer caught in his daughters case.

[ginky41]

Originally Posted by janesdeaan

Rylan was the unborn son of Michelle, who was murdered along with her.
No one has been charged in her murder, but Jason, Michelle's husband was deemed the slayer in the wrongful death suit her mother filed against him. Also, he has had a judgement filed against him as well, for $15 million for the murder. The lead detective in this case has also publicly stated his opinion (testimony in the wrongful death suit) is that Jason is the murderer and that it was pre-meditated. Sadly, Michelle's father didn't live to see the murderer caught in his daughters case.

Thank you for filling me in janesdeaan. I didn't realize there had been civil suits brought against him. Interesting that detective thinks it's Jason but they haven't been able to get enough evidence to arrest/convict him.

[trucrime]

Originally Posted by ginky41

Thank you for filling me in janesdeaan. I didn't realize there had been civil suits brought against him. Interesting that detective thinks it's Jason but they haven't been able to get enough evidence to arrest/convict him.

I expect a GJ indictment within the next few months but that's JMO. Some of the detectives said it was one of the worst murder scenes they'd ever seen, she was a pregnant woman... I dont think this is going unsolved per sey but it has taken some time. I think there's more evidence against Jason that the general public is aware about. Seemingly with each warrant that's released it always tells us new info about the case. Within the last year or so its been revealed he's had at least 2 affairs, one with Michelle Money and one with Carol Anne Sowerby (both married themselves).

Also, Meredith - Michelle's sister, and Linda - Michelle's mother, went after Jason for custody of Cassidy. Jason would have been forced to give a depo and likely a psych evaluation if he were to keep her. Jason settled with them before it got to that point (ie so he never had to give any statement), giving primary physical custody and joint legal custody to Meredith. Basically he gave up custody of his daughter without a fight. IMO.

[janesdeaan]

Originally Posted by ginky41

Thank you for filling me in janesdeaan. I didn't realize there had been civil suits brought against him. Interesting that detective thinks it's Jason but they haven't been able to get enough evidence to arrest/convict him.

ya, there definitely seems to be something major that has stopped them from actually indicting JY, wonder what it is. They have stated that they are still waiting on some evidence (financial), but even that was reported a while ago. Hard to say, but I am sure in time, he will be arrested for the murder of Michelle and justice will finally be served.