Boy takes Plea deal

wolfi_2 · #1 03-25-2009, 11:19 AM

Boy takes Plea deal, new thread.

Columbo · #2 03-25-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfi_2

Boy takes Plea deal, new thread.

How on earth can an 8 year old child sign on a plea deal when he was found incompetent? Oh, I know, the same way he was coerced into confessing!

definition coerce: to make somebody do something against his/her will by using force or threats.

hmmm.

Jay · #3 03-25-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Linda777NJ

I think it has far less to do with coercion...and more with REALITY. IMO The kid knows he's guilty and didn't want to face the likelihood of adult prison.

You can't house a juvenile in an adult prison.

I don't know the exact details of the plea bargain, but even without one, even if convicted, it is very unlikely that state's law permit him to be incarcerated past his 18th or 21st birthday.

If so, from 18 until 21, yes he can do time in an adult prison.

GentleBreeze · #4 03-25-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

You can't house a juvenile in an adult prison.

I don't know the exact details of the plea bargain, but even without one, even if convicted, it is very unlikely that state's law permit him to be incarcerated past his 18th or 21st birthday.

If so, from 18 until 21, yes he can do time in an adult prison.

Jay, I think Linda was meaning if the count one charge had been dismissed. If Judge Roca had ruled in the State's favor then the boy could be tried as an adult later on. I believe at the age of 15 for the murder of his father.

The Appellate Court said Judge Roca could go ahead and rule on the State's motion to dismiss count one before the official competency hearing was held and he did always set up the motion to dismiss before the competency hearing dates.

Imo, that was a chance the boy nor his attorneys were never going to take.

I think both sides worried for their own reasons about what Judge Roca would do. He never let either of them have the slightest clue how he was going to rule, so therefore, a plea deal was much better for the boy and it was better to get a token of justice than nothing at all for a very violent horrible crime.

The biggest benefactor to the boy turned out to be his young age when double homicides are unheard of at this age......

imo

Pena64 · #5 03-26-2009, 12:46 AM

The posts on here are too funny.

Even after the boy confessed to police, his confession to his stepmom at the juvenile detention center, after all the evidence, the multiple death threats, no alibi, his gun, his prints, seen at the scene, heard at the scene, pled guilty, people are still posting that the San Carlos Drug Gangs did it, that Nicole or TRomero did it, that some mysterious person in a white car did it.

If the boy was innocent he should have pled INNOCENT. He got away with a double murder with a mere slap on the wrist.

Every person I've talked to except some Bloomfields and a few others know he's guilty. Why do you think he doesn't live in St. Johns but lives in the Concho district? A vast majority of parents and teachers didn't want him in school, or they would withdraw their kids. I would guess 3500 out of 4000 people here believe him guilty, and for good reason. They have common sense.

This board is cheap entertainment for me reading posts that are totally absurd and unbelievable. The only sensible people here are Eagergal, Linda and GentleBreeze. JMO.

sdn8tv · #6 03-26-2009, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

The posts on here are too funny.

Even after the boy confessed to police, his confession to his stepmom at the juvenile detention center, after all the evidence, the multiple death threats, no alibi, his gun, his prints, seen at the scene, heard at the scene, pled guilty, people People are me and I can support my statements with documented facts. What about you? are still posting that the San Carlos Drug Gangs did it, that Nicole or TRomero did it, that some mysterious person in a white car did it. Why do you seem to have a problem with factual information being brought out? Because it doesn't support your theory?
If the boy was innocent he should have pled INNOCENT. He got away with a double murder with a mere slap on the wrist.

Every person I've talked to except some Bloomfields and a few others know he's guilty. I've talked to Romero's who don't think he acted ALONE. Why do you think he doesn't live in St. Johns but lives in the Concho district? A vast majority of parents and teachers didn't want him in school, or they would withdraw their kids. Can you support this with facts or is this just your opinion? I would guess 3500 out of 4000 people here believe him guilty, and for good reason. They have common sense.

This board is cheap entertainment for me reading posts that are totally absurd and unbelievable. The only sensible people here are Eagergal, Linda and GentleBreeze. JMO.

I posted nothing but facts. Not ONE TIME did I post where they did it or even IMPLIED they did it. Can you please find that post.

P.S. the only print were on single print on the box of bullets. Not the ones that Nicole asked a male friend to buy the week prior though.

How was the benefit dinner? I hope it was a success.

sdn8tv · #7 03-26-2009, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

The posts on here are too funny. There was nothing funny about my posts.

Even after the boy confessed to police, his confession to his stepmom at the juvenile detention center, after all the evidence, the multiple death threats, no alibi, his gun, his prints, seen at the scene, heard at the scene, pled guilty, people are still posting that the San Carlos Drug Gangs did it, that Nicole or TRomero did it, that some mysterious person in a white car did it.

If the boy was innocent he should have pled INNOCENT. He got away with a double murder with a mere slap on the wrist.
Every person I've talked to except some Bloomfields and a few others know he's guilty. Why do you think he doesn't live in St. Johns but lives in the Concho district? A vast majority of parents and teachers didn't want him in school, or they would withdraw their kids. I would guess 3500 out of 4000 people here believe him guilty, and for good reason. They have common sense.

This board is cheap entertainment for me reading posts that are totally absurd and unbelievable. The only sensible people here are Eagergal, Linda and GentleBreeze. JMO.

I agree 100% and too bad he had incompetent counsel and too bad he wasn't able to have his competency hearing heard before he was "convinced" to plead guilty.

sdn8tv · #8 03-26-2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

The posts on here are too funny.

Even after the boy confessed to police, his confession to his stepmom at the juvenile detention center, after all the evidence, the multiple death threats, no alibi, his gun, his prints, seen at the scene, heard at the scene, pled guilty, people are still posting that the San Carlos Drug Gangs did it, that Nicole or TRomero did it, that some mysterious person in a white car did it.

If the boy was innocent he should have pled INNOCENT. He got away with a double murder with a mere slap on the wrist.

Every person I've talked to except some Bloomfields and a few others know he's guilty. Why do you think he doesn't live in St. Johns but lives in the Concho district? A vast majority of parents and teachers didn't want him in school, or they would withdraw their kids. I would guess 3500 out of 4000 people here believe him guilty, and for good reason. They have common sense.

This board is cheap entertainment for me reading posts that are totally absurd and unbelievable. The only sensible people here are Eagergal, Linda and GentleBreeze. JMO.

Once again, back to snarky comments. IMHO, we actually had some interesting debates going until you and Linda came out of hiding and then have to start getting nasty again...go figure. Some people just love to fight to fight.

sdn8tv · #9 03-26-2009, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

The posts on here are too funny.

Even after the boy confessed to police, his confession to his stepmom at the juvenile detention center, after all the evidence, the multiple death threats, no alibi, his gun, his prints, seen at the scene, heard at the scene, pled guilty, people are still posting that the San Carlos Drug Gangs did it, that Nicole or TRomero did it, that some mysterious person in a white car did it.

If the boy was innocent he should have pled INNOCENT. He got away with a double murder with a mere slap on the wrist.

Every person I've talked to except some Bloomfields and a few others know he's guilty. Why do you think he doesn't live in St. Johns but lives in the Concho district? A vast majority of parents and teachers didn't want him in school, or they would withdraw their kids. I would guess 3500 out of 4000 people here believe him guilty, and for good reason. They have common sense.

This board is cheap entertainment for me reading posts that are totally absurd and unbelievable. The only sensible people here are Eagergal, Linda and GentleBreeze. JMO.

Please show me one post that is absurd or unbelievable. Every post was backed up with documented information.

GentleBreeze · #10 03-26-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Donuts

Go talk to some more people because all the people I've spoken to about this case believe the boy.

I think that is normal to have one group of people believing one thing and one totally different group believing the exact opposite.

The saying goes "we seek what we wish to find" so possibly the ones we talk with share only our own view points and we are not around others or know of others who has a vast differing opinion that the ones we have talked with.

If someone in St. John already believes the boy is guilty then they certainly aren't going to be conversing often with the ones who think he is innocent. There is no common ground because of the totally opposing viewpoints.

I could also say those whom I have talked with are convinced that the boy did this, but I certainly couldn't say with any certainty what all the 4,000+ citizens in St. John's believes.

But imo, those that accept that he did this is in the majority. If not and the majority of the town thought differently, there would be an uproar about it and the media would be used to get their message across loud and clear. That has not happened and the plea deal was over a month ago. Still silence from those in that town, once the deal was struck they seemed to have moved on trying to restore the town back to what it was before this happened. Before, when murders just didn't happen there.

imo

Pena64 · #11 03-26-2009, 12:45 PM

GB, I personally know CR.

When I observed him at swimming or at the park or other situations, he called people names all the time, like the Vallejos boy, he called him gay. He would bully other kids all the time. He would get about 6 inches from their face to intimidate other boys. He would cut in line at the pool and grab other kids treats. He would dunk other kids and showoff on the diving board. Mrs Hawes was always yelling at him at the pool. He was rather obnoxious.

Several times, I told him to stop picking on other kids and he gave me a hateful stare like he was going to kill me. If he didn't get his way, he gave that hateful stare of his. I saw him playing musical chairs, and the other boy sat down first, so CR knocked him off the chair so he could win. Whenever he spoke to me he lied.

The other kids at the park called him a bully and a liar. He was manipulative to the other kids. I'm not surprized he told Mrs Trickey he wanted a good report, just another way he tried manipulating others.
I'm glad he's not living in this town. Being loose like he is, who knows who he could kill next? JMO

Jay · #12 03-26-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

Jay, I think Linda was meaning if the count one charge had been dismissed. If Judge Roca had ruled in the State's favor then the boy could be tried as an adult later on. I believe at the age of 15 for the murder of his father.

The Appellate Court said Judge Roca could go ahead and rule on the State's motion to dismiss count one before the official competency hearing was held and he did always set up the motion to dismiss before the competency hearing dates.

Is that appeals court decision online. I'd like to read it.

IF a person is not at the bind over age when the crime was committed they can't simply do it when he turns 15. I never heard of that.

Columbo · #13 03-26-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

GB, I personally know CR.

When I observed him at swimming or at the park or other situations, he called people names all the time, like the Vallejos boy, he called him gay. He would bully other kids all the time. He would get about 6 inches from their face to intimidate other boys. He would cut in line at the pool and grab other kids treats. He would dunk other kids and showoff on the diving board. Mrs Hawes was always yelling at him at the pool. He was rather obnoxious.

Several times, I told him to stop picking on other kids and he gave me a hateful stare like he was going to kill me. If he didn't get his way, he gave that hateful stare of his. I saw him playing musical chairs, and the other boy sat down first, so CR knocked him off the chair so he could win. Whenever he spoke to me he lied.

The other kids at the park called him a bully and a liar. He was manipulative to the other kids. I'm not surprized he told Mrs Trickey he wanted a good report, just another way he tried manipulating others.
I'm glad he's not living in this town. Being loose like he is, who knows who he could kill next? JMO

What you say here doesn't match the statements that have been documented about him being well behaved and polite. Again, a lot of hearsay with no link to back up. Anyone can say anything. But the saying is, 'Believe half of what you see and NOTHING of what you hear'. Your posts are VERY slanted. Are you Nichole? The child has had NO PROBLEMS since he has been out with the mother.

Pena64 · #14 03-26-2009, 01:47 PM

It is true and what I observed. The boy was a braggart, and a bully, plain and simple. I'm a Pena...I'll turn it back on you...it seems sdn8tv, Columbo, Childs voice, are you Eryn posting under all these identities?

Pena64 · #15 03-26-2009, 01:50 PM

You seem slanted to the boy with your hearsay. How do you know the boy has had no problems?? Do you live with him? For all we know, he could have killed someone else? I'm sure the judicial department is monitoring him closely so he doesnt cause any more probelsm. JMO

Columbo · #16 03-26-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

It is true and what I observed. The boy was a braggart, and a bully, plain and simple. I'm a Pena...I'll turn it back on you...it seems sdn8tv, Columbo, Childs voice, are you Eryn posting under all these identities?

Well, if what you say is true, it further confirms the mental/emotional abuse that has been described going on in the home. Eryn had been concerned for some time. He certainly has no behavior problems now. I know you want the best for Vinces's son now.

sdn8tv · #17 03-26-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

GB, I personally know CR.

When I observed him at swimming or at the park or other situations, he called people names all the time, like the Vallejos boy, he called him gay. He would bully other kids all the time. He would get about 6 inches from their face to intimidate other boys. He would cut in line at the pool and grab other kids treats. He would dunk other kids and showoff on the diving board. Mrs Hawes was always yelling at him at the pool. He was rather obnoxious.

Several times, I told him to stop picking on other kids and he gave me a hateful stare like he was going to kill me. If he didn't get his way, he gave that hateful stare of his. I saw him playing musical chairs, and the other boy sat down first, so CR knocked him off the chair so he could win. Whenever he spoke to me he lied.

The other kids at the park called him a bully and a liar. He was manipulative to the other kids. I'm not surprized he told Mrs Trickey he wanted a good report, just another way he tried manipulating others.
I'm glad he's not living in this town. Being loose like he is, who knows who he could kill next? JMO

Every kid goes through this behavior at times...NOT ALL THE TIME. If you think your child or any other child doesn't misbehave at times then someone does not have a grip on reality.

IF this was true, which I believe there is some truth but quite a bit of exaggeration going on here to prove a point, then certainly there were way more warning flags going on here that his parents, family, teachers, church and everyone else in the town of St. John's simply ignored.

sdn8tv · #18 03-26-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

You seem slanted to the boy with your hearsay. How do you know the boy has had no problems?? Do you live with him? For all we know, he could have killed someone else? I'm sure the judicial department is monitoring him closely so he doesnt cause any more probelsm. JMO

Hearsay? I have provided documentation and even told you where to go find it in the reports. You, on the contrary only provide your opinion, so you should really provide something other than your opinion to discredit the documentation I provided.

sdn8tv · #19 03-26-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

It is true and what I observed. The boy was a braggart, and a bully, plain and simple. I'm a Pena...I'll turn it back on you...it seems sdn8tv, Columbo, Childs voice, are you Eryn posting under all these identities?

I can assure you we ar differnt people. WE are concerned people about how an 8 year old boy found himself caught up in the horrible situation. Whether he pulled the trigger or not it not my point. As I have said previously, something seriously went wrong with this boy's life and actually thank your for futher supporting my position with your opinion of CR. Again...many signs that were simply ignored and now you want us to believe that the town of St. John's is Monday morning quarterbacks...please.

IF you would like to know who I am, simply PM me and we can discuss off-line. I'm not hiding behind anything. I will be glad to discuss my position with you off-line.

GentleBreeze · #20 03-26-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Is that appeals court decision online. I'd like to read it.

IF a person is not at the bind over age when the crime was committed they can't simply do it when he turns 15. I never heard of that.

Well I know it was at one time but that has been awhile back now and I did not bookmark it. Sorry. Maybe another poster did.

But it had to be legal motion in the State of Arizona or when the case was sent to the Appellate Court they would have ruled stating it wasn't legal to dismiss the count one charge.

However they did not say that. The DA put in a motion to dismiss one of the charges about two weeks after they charged the boy. The Judge at that time said he was going to wait on any substantive rulings until after the competency hearing was completed. The State filed the appeal. The appeal court stated the Judge did not have to wait to rule on the motion to dismiss as he had been doing and that incompetency in a juvenile case is not the same standard when it comes to an adult being incompetent to stand trial.

I think when this first happened everyone was in shock and when the DA had time to really look at the case he knew even if the boy did go to trial, the most he would have gotten would be until 18. He could have gotten that just for the premeditated murder of one victim, so by leaving the other charge in it gave no justice to the second victim, and more or less would be a two for one sentence.

They may have not been able to try him under adult standards or sentencing guidelines but they could try him later on and still give him the years he would have gotten in the juvenile system which would be around 9 years. That would have been a far cry better for Vinnie Romero's murder than the non-justice they had to settle for in the end.

Both sides had monumental worries that put them both at high risk and a high gamble. One adversarial side or the other was going to lose big time, when Roca finally did rule on his motions to dismiss and even the competency issue because he may have proceeded with caution and thought the boy should be reassessed in 240 to see if he was age competent. Even his own lawyer said he could learn the ends and outs in 240 days.

IMO, I give Judge Roca a lot of credit for pushing this plea deal to its conclusion. He never let them know which way he was leaning. At least this way some justice is better than no justice at all.

But this had to be one of the most difficult cases for all legal parties involved. As far as I know he is the youngest defendant that has committed double homicide. If others are out there, I haven't found them.

imoo

sdn8tv · #21 03-26-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

GB, I personally know CR.

When I observed him at swimming or at the park or other situations, he called people names all the time, like the Vallejos boy, he called him gay. He would bully other kids all the time. He would get about 6 inches from their face to intimidate other boys. He would cut in line at the pool and grab other kids treats. He would dunk other kids and showoff on the diving board. Mrs Hawes was always yelling at him at the pool. He was rather obnoxious.

Several times, I told him to stop picking on other kids and he gave me a hateful stare like he was going to kill me. If he didn't get his way, he gave that hateful stare of his. I saw him playing musical chairs, and the other boy sat down first, so CR knocked him off the chair so he could win. Whenever he spoke to me he lied.

The other kids at the park called him a bully and a liar. He was manipulative to the other kids. I'm not surprized he told Mrs Trickey he wanted a good report, just another way he tried manipulating others.
I'm glad he's not living in this town. Being loose like he is, who knows who he could kill next? JMO

I'm glad he is not living in that town also. Good for his mother to get him out of there. I highly doubt that if the judge, attorney's, therapists or vicitims thought for one minute he would run off and kill someone he would not be "on the LOOSE"

GentleBreeze · #22 03-26-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sdn8tv

Hearsay? I have provided documentation and even told you where to go find it in the reports. You, on the contrary only provide your opinion, so you should really provide something other than your opinion to discredit the documentation I provided.

Actually all witness statements are just that. They do not become evidence until they are sworn in and testify under oath in a court of law and asked direct questions and are cross examined. So we will never see really any confirmation or substantiation to all of those statements since the boy plead the case out.

If Pena knows the boy then I certainly think their opinion of him carries weight.

We had already heard he bullied his younger relatives, so it isn't shocking to me that he may have loudly bullied other kids. Also didn't one of the witnesses in the DPS report say the boy was throwing mud clods and a lady asked him to stop and he told her she wasn't in charge, or something like that? Didn't one say he was cocky and arrogant?

imoo

GentleBreeze · #23 03-26-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

You seem slanted to the boy with your hearsay. How do you know the boy has had no problems?? Do you live with him? For all we know, he could have killed someone else? I'm sure the judicial department is monitoring him closely so he doesn't cause any more problems. JMO

I agree. I wonder if he was sneaky with his bullying? Doing so only when his parent or parents weren't around or when he thought he could get away with it without being caught by Vinnie?

I think they are monitoring his every move. Having to even be notified what family member is seeing him and when sounds extremely restrictive to me.

I would think he is still not back in a public school yet.

imo

TheItalian · #24 03-26-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

Actually all witness statements are just that. They do not become evidence until they are sworn in and testify under oath in a court of law and asked direct questions and are cross examined. So we will never see really any confirmation or substantiation to all of those statements since the boy plead the case out.

If Pena knows the boy then I certainly think their opinion of him carries weight.

We had already heard he bullied his younger relatives, so it isn't shocking to me that he may have loudly bullied other kids. Also didn't one of the witnesses in the DPS report say the boy was throwing mud clods and a lady asked him to stop and he told her she wasn't in charge, or something like that? Didn't one say he was cocky and arrogant?

imoo

I would agree. From everything I've read, this boy, was a liar, bully, and now he's moved up to pled guilty cold blooded killer

Jay · #25 03-26-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

Well I know it was at one time but that has been awhile back now and I did not bookmark it. Sorry. Maybe another poster did.

But it had to be legal motion in the State of Arizona or when the case was sent to the Appellate Court they would have ruled stating it wasn't legal to dismiss the count one charge.

I did some research on Juvenile bindovers in AZ and came up with this:

It does appear the "discretionary" transfer is a minimum of 8 years old.

Other sites also stated age 8 as a "minimum" age to bind over.

This does not mean they can try him when he is much older and put him away for life, IMO.

Although there is no statute of limitations on murder, anywhere in the country, I have never heard of such as described being done. Possible I guess?

http://ojjdp.ncjrs.org/pubs/tryingju...states/az.html

Here is an AZ appeal court case dealing with "general" bind over laws:

http://www.cofad1.state.az.us/opinio...V/JV050205.pdf

What I mostly meant before was, if say the age is 14, they can't wait until 14 to try him and then bind him over as an adult.

Also when I said before a juvenile can not be housed in an adult prison, they can in some states, I meant they MUST be seperated from the adult population until 18.

TheItalian · #26 03-26-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Columbo

How on earth can an 8 year old child sign on a plea deal when he was found incompetent? Oh, I know, the same way he was coerced into confessing!

definition coerce: to make somebody do something against his/her will by using force or threats.

hmmm.

My opinion is if you can kill someone, you can understand a plea. He's not a 3 year old.

TheItalian · #27 03-26-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sdn8tv

I'm glad he is not living in that town also. Good for his mother to get him out of there. I highly doubt that if the judge, attorney's, therapists or vicitims thought for one minute he would run off and kill someone he would not be "on the LOOSE"

I agree with the other poster. Why is this admitted killer on the loose? I wouldn't feel safe if I lived there. IMO

TheItalian · #28 03-26-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

One of the things I remember the boy telling a girl at the city park, that she lived in a ****ty trailer while he lived in a house. Pretty sad for an 8 year old. He was good at insulting other kids. It's kind of pathetic that Eryn is posting under all these aliases. IMO

This sounds like one messed up kid...I wouldn't doubt it that the mom is posting under aliases to make it sound like she's a good mother and that the boy is a good kid. My opinion.

sdn8tv · #29 03-26-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

The posts on here are too funny.

Even after the boy confessed to police, his confession to his stepmom at the juvenile detention center, after all the evidence, the multiple death threats, no alibi, his gun, his prints, seen at the scene, heard at the scene, pled guilty, people are still posting that the San Carlos Drug Gangs did it, that Nicole or TRomero did it, that some mysterious person in a white car did it.

If the boy was innocent he should have pled INNOCENT. He got away with a double murder with a mere slap on the wrist.

Every person I've talked to except some Bloomfields and a few others know he's guilty. Why do you think he doesn't live in St. Johns but lives in the Concho district? A vast majority of parents and teachers didn't want him in school, or they would withdraw their kids. I would guess 3500 out of 4000 people here believe him guilty, and for good reason. They have common sense.

This board is cheap entertainment for me reading posts that are totally absurd and unbelievable. The only sensible people here are Eagergal, Linda and GentleBreeze. JMO.

Cheap entertainment is a Lifetime movie. This is a real life. The lives are shattered of several families. If this boy did it, something terrible happened that led up this - what was it? If this boy was simply involved and ending their suffering - who shot the first shots - who is he covering for? IF this boy truly walked up on this horrible scene - who did it?
Again - my only purpose for posting these facts it to show there were several things wrong in this boy's life.

Can anyone on this board if they would have allowed the like of Romans a) in their house or b) around their 8 year old child?

sdn8tv · #30 03-26-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

It is true and what I observed. The boy was a braggart, and a bully, plain and simple. I'm a Pena...I'll turn it back on you...it seems sdn8tv, Columbo, Childs voice, are you Eryn posting under all these identities?

Perhaps these are just survival skills this boy had to learn.

sdn8tv · #31 03-26-2009, 04:40 PM

Why are we all of the sudden attacking this boy and his mother?

sdn8tv · #32 03-26-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

One of the things I remember the boy telling a girl at the city park, that she lived in a ****ty trailer while he lived in a house. Pretty sad for an 8 year old. He was good at insulting other kids. It's kind of pathetic that Eryn is posting under all these aliases. IMO

Perhaps this is the behavior taught to him. Perhaps people in his life talked to him in this manner and this is what he was taught. Perhaps the people in his life showed him it was alright to make fun of other people.

tottenwess · #33 03-26-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

One of the things I remember the boy telling a girl at the city park, that she lived in a ****ty trailer while he lived in a house. Pretty sad for an 8 year old. He was good at insulting other kids. It's kind of pathetic that Eryn is posting under all these aliases. IMO

Long time reader...First time poster.....but I can no longer keep silent. I have no idea who you are, why should I believe any thing you say? For all we know you could be living in Maine and just making things up. By using a little critical thinking, I would believe you have an agenda. And what is so hard to believe that more people, besides Eryn, would not want to see an 8 year-oldin prison, guilty or not!

Pena64 · #34 03-26-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sdn8tv

Cheap entertainment is a Lifetime movie. This is a real life. The lives are shattered of several families. If this boy did it, something terrible happened that led up this - what was it? If this boy was simply involved and ending their suffering - who shot the first shots - who is he covering for? IF this boy truly walked up on this horrible scene - who did it?
Again - my only purpose for posting these facts it to show there were several things wrong in this boy's life.

Can anyone on this board if they would have allowed the like of Romans a) in their house or b) around their 8 year old child?

The boy did it, admitted it, plain and simple. There is nothing wrong with TR, VR, the stepmom. They did everything RIGHT. It's the boy plain and simple with a screw loose. There is a history of mental illness in the family. IMO

bkwits · #35 03-26-2009, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Donuts

sdn8tv, there are none.

Thank you for posting all your DOCUMENTED information.

It seems that the "CR did it, throw him away crowd" don't have to provide links.

IMO

bkwits · #36 03-26-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pena64

The boy did it, admitted it, plain and simple. There is nothing wrong with TR, VR, the stepmom. They did everything RIGHT. It's the boy plain and simple with a screw loose. There is a history of mental illness in the family. IMO

Please provide a link to the history of mental illness in the family.

TheItalian · #37 03-26-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sdn8tv

Perhaps these are just survival skills this boy had to learn.

Not survival skills...I agree with Pena! The boy is a psychopath or has mental health issues. The family is fine...it's the boy that's broken. JMO

TheItalian · #38 03-26-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Donuts

If you want to pretend to be Eryn today you can.

Tomorrow is my turn, k?

OMG, like the real Eryn would have the time or even want to post here.

sdn8tv, thanks again for posting all the documented information. Do you by any chance happen to know what time Nicole (Nichole) got to CR's house on THAT DAY? Did she drive a car, ride a bike, walk, get dropped off there? Did she ever say how long she stayed and what she was doing while waiting for CR? TIA

I'm glad you both admitted you're Eryn. That strightened that up.

bkwits · #39 03-26-2009, 06:12 PM

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GB, I personally know CR.

When I observed him at swimming or at the park or other situations, he called people names all the time, like the Vallejos boy, he called him gay. He would bully other kids all the time. He would get about 6 inches from their face to intimidate other boys. He would cut in line at the pool and grab other kids treats. He would dunk other kids and showoff on the diving board. Mrs Hawes was always yelling at him at the pool. He was rather obnoxious.

Several times, I told him to stop picking on other kids and he gave me a hateful stare like he was going to kill me. If he didn't get his way, he gave that hateful stare of his. I saw him playing musical chairs, and the other boy sat down first, so CR knocked him off the chair so he could win. Whenever he spoke to me he lied.

The other kids at the park called him a bully and a liar. He was manipulative to the other kids. I'm not surprized he told Mrs Trickey he wanted a good report, just another way he tried manipulating others.
I'm glad he's not living in this town. Being loose like he is, who knows who he could kill next? JMO

Please provide proof that you are acquainted with CR and what your relationship to him is. I beieve it is required on this board.

wolfi_2 · #40 03-26-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bkwits

Please provide proof that you are acquainted with CR and what your relationship to him is. I beieve it is required on this board.

That`s it, stay on the fact's that are available with a link or don't post it, I think that's what coldwater say a while ago here.