Nicholas Francisco, 28, Seattle, 2/13/08 - 4/12

Leanne Weich · #1 03-08-2009, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MystryPhobia

This has been referenced on another website? I don't think we can talk about some of the websites but can you kinda point us in a direction?

As far as I know, you can't quote from other websites, but you can post a link. It is done all the time.

MystryPhobia · #2 03-08-2009, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Leanne Weich

As far as I know, you can't quote from other websites, but you can post a link. It is done all the time.

Yeah.. it usually is. For a while there were certain websites that we couldn't mention or link to.

RainyNiteNTx · #3 03-08-2009, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SeekingTruth

Actually it's been referenced on another website that he has been spoken to and that some know he lives in San Diego. However I'm not sure if i'm allowed to post that link on here or not.

Is it a blog or a website? I've looked at three sleuthing websites and there is no mention.

RainyNiteNTx · #4 03-08-2009, 08:03 AM

IIRC, it has been stated on here before that if Nicholas is found, that LE should make a statement saying he is alive and safe, but they do not have to reveal anything more than that, such as where he is.

cteall · #5 03-08-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by SeekingTruth

nope. don't know what was said. though i do believe that there is validity to what was claimed. As for changing his name well I think with him anything is possible. He went by Steven or Steve in his online profiles. No worries, I have already given this info to the authorities.

ST, I am so glad you took the time to report this information. I know they will make short work of it. They just needed a direction to look.....won't he be shocked when they find him? I am really thinking they may just make a statement fairly soon. There are so many people that are still convinced he ran into foul play and just won't believe that this "upstanding" citizen could do something this low. Christine needs closure and I think we are getting closer to finding out the truth. Nicholas must know the world is looking for him, he can't hide out for life. At the very least he needs to financially support the children that he helped bring into this world.

RainyNiteNTx · #6 03-08-2009, 09:42 AM

Cteall - I wouldn't classify Nicholas as an upstanding citizen, however I also don't believe that someone has to be perfect in this world in order to be valued.

To my knowledge, LE has not amended their statement that Nicholas disappeared under suspicious circumstances and foul play could not be ruled out. If they have, I would love a link.

As I have stated many times, if Nicholas is alive, he needs to be found so he can support his children; if he is dead, he needs to be found so he can be put to rest properly.

RainyNiteNTx · #7 03-08-2009, 11:12 AM

Cteall - you are right. This case captured a lot of our hearts. Here was a beautiful ordinary family, the dad working an ordinary day, stopping to buy sugar on his way home from work to bake cookies with his little girl. How much more American pie can you get?

Then in the blink of an eye, we go from the dedicated, devoted husband and father to a sinister perverted abusive husband and father. We go from American pie to everyone's worst nightmare.

Some people are still stuck on the American Pie while some were all too anxious to jump onto the perverted abusive husband bandwagon.

I'm somewhere in the middle trying to remember that Nicholas is still considered a missing person.

Shelby1 · #8 03-08-2009, 11:33 AM

Until I know that Nicholas is safe somewhere, I will continue to search for him. It's Nicholas that is missing.

cteall · #9 03-08-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RainyNiteNTx

Cteall - you are right. This case captured a lot of our hearts. Here was a beautiful ordinary family, the dad working an ordinary day, stopping to buy sugar on his way home from work to bake cookies with his little girl. How much more American pie can you get?

Then in the blink of an eye, we go from the dedicated, devoted husband and father to a sinister perverted abusive husband and father. We go from American pie to everyone's worst nightmare.

Some people are still stuck on the American Pie while some were all too anxious to jump onto the perverted abusive husband bandwagon.

I'm somewhere in the middle trying to remember that Nicholas is still considered a missing person.

Exactly Rainy and this is where the conflict lies, this is where everyone became divided.

I think (MOO) that there were problems within the relationship. I also think Christine may have had a difficult childhood and wanted nothing more than to have a wonderful family unit. When the problems first started she tried to pretend (TO HERSELF) that they were not there. I think there is even a possibility that Christine may have suggested that he come home and bake cookies with his daughter, still trying to keep her family as "American Pie" as possible. She loves those kids so much and wanted to give them the upbringing that she didn't have (MOO). I think all of this was done with the best of intentions, never wanting to admit to herself that there was major relationship issues.

Then her worst nightmare came true and he didn't come home. Now here she was with two small children and another one on the way. She panicked, how could she possibly take care of these children? It was going to be difficult at best to find a job, but she would not be able to find a job immediately that was going to replace Nick's paycheck. She had no way of knowing in Publicis was going to keep paying Nicholas.

But then finally, when the information about the secret life was discovered she was forced to admit this to herself. I can't imagine what she must have gone through, the extreme betrayal.

RainyNiteNTx · #10 03-08-2009, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Shelby1

Until I know that Nicholas is safe somewhere, I will continue to search for him. It's Nicholas that is missing.

Well, that is two of us that get it.

cteall · #11 03-08-2009, 02:40 PM

Silver Dove, that is exactly what I was thinking, really until we get a bit closer this seems the most logical.

RainyNiteNTx · #12 03-08-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverDove

I think this is because he in most of his online profiles he was looking for men and women. Which some took to mean he was confused about his own sexuality.
JMO

ETA the other posts were split off and put here http://boards.insessiontrials.com/sh...d.php?t=334688 in the locked Nicholas forum.

Oh okay - thanks

SilverDove · #13 03-08-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cury-us Coyote

Interesting point. Setting up an AFF page pointing in one direction and leaving with a female would be a deceptive and clever move, IMO.

As far back as Jan 2006 he was listing himself as bi so I don't think he set up AFF to as a red herring. If he left with someone there is no way of knowing if it was a man, a woman or even a couple. I do tend to think he left with someone because it would have been much easier then doing it alone.
JMO

Musterion · #14 03-09-2009, 01:26 AM

I am referencing these two Posts, 671 & 679 on the closed thread from:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/sh...334688&page=17

SeekingTruth,

Could you clarify something?

You said that someone on another website knows that Nicholas is alive and has spoken to him. And that he is living in San Diego.

You then say that you have given this information to LE.

Are you saying that LE did not unearth this information? That it came from you to LE via you finding some people, at random, on a website that claim to know the missing Nicholas Francisco from Seattle?

I find this incredible detective work on your part if that is what you are saying.

Do you mind clarifying? Maybe I have misread.

M.

RainyNiteNTx · #15 03-09-2009, 07:08 AM

I asked if ST was referring to a blog or a website. I've looked at several sleuthing sites and I've checked out the Seattle Times, and even Publicis Media. There is no mention of even a rumor that Nicholas is alive in San Diego.

I would appreciate a link to this information.

cteall · #16 03-09-2009, 07:12 AM

I was able to "find" a Nicholas Francisco in San Diego. Does anyone happen to know if Nicholas is related to a Theresa or a John Francisco?

RainyNiteNTx · #17 03-09-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cteall

I was able to "find" a Nicholas Francisco in San Diego. Does anyone happen to know if Nicholas is related to a Theresa or a John Francisco?

I found what you are referencing - it looks like two couples, and states the age of NF as 34 years of age.

RainyNiteNTx · #18 03-09-2009, 09:36 PM

So what is up? Rumors that Nicholas is alive and the talk stops? Strange.

Musterion · #19 03-09-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RainyNiteNTx

So what is up? Rumors that Nicholas is alive and the talk stops? Strange.

Remember, Rainy, at the beginning of this case a woman came on and said she knew Christine? Thru a mother's group or something like that? She wrote quite a lot about how she viewed Christine and it wasn't favourable at all. When we questioned the poster she just disappeared.

It has happened several times with people claiming they know Nicholas or Christine.

For some reason, this poster, SeekingTruth, seems to want us to believe that they have an inside track to knowing that Nicholas is alive and in San Diego. This poster seems to want us to question if Christine is getting married soon.

What do we make of it? They are gone, or so it seems. Maybe we just turn it all over to LE and brush it off as another person who wanted attention.

Meanwhile, as of this moment, Nicholas is still listed missing here:

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php

And a poster on Websleuths said, as of 2/15 said the King County Sheriff said this was still a missing person's case. That Nicholas had not been located.

IMO.
M.

Cury-us Coyote · #20 03-10-2009, 12:20 AM

IF the AFF updates were reasonably current when discovered, IMO an AFF subpoena would return the IP address used. Perhaps LE knows the payee name of the IP address. Doesn’t normal LE procedure also include subpoenas to acquire all phone records of people in the immediate circle of family and friends for a missing person? IMO, KCSO has NF information yet NF’s case remains open and NF’s missing status on LE maintained sites has not changed.
jmo

SilverDove · #21 03-10-2009, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Musterion

Remember, Rainy, at the beginning of this case a woman came on and said she knew Christine? Thru a mother's group or something like that? She wrote quite a lot about how she viewed Christine and it wasn't favourable at all. When we questioned the poster she just disappeared.

It has happened several times with people claiming they know Nicholas or Christine.

For some reason, this poster, SeekingTruth, seems to want us to believe that they have an inside track to knowing that Nicholas is alive and in San Diego. This poster seems to want us to question if Christine is getting married soon.

What do we make of it? They are gone, or so it seems. Maybe we just turn it all over to LE and brush it off as another person who wanted attention.

Meanwhile, as of this moment, Nicholas is still listed missing here:

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php

And a poster on Websleuths said, as of 2/15 said the King County Sheriff said this was still a missing person's case. That Nicholas had not been located.

IMO.
M.

Well interesting l found the post but I haven't been looking for anything for a while now. Just went though some of the old sites.

RainyNiteNTx · #22 03-10-2009, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Musterion

Remember, Rainy, at the beginning of this case a woman came on and said she knew Christine? Thru a mother's group or something like that? She wrote quite a lot about how she viewed Christine and it wasn't favourable at all. When we questioned the poster she just disappeared.

It has happened several times with people claiming they know Nicholas or Christine.

For some reason, this poster, SeekingTruth, seems to want us to believe that they have an inside track to knowing that Nicholas is alive and in San Diego. This poster seems to want us to question if Christine is getting married soon.

What do we make of it? They are gone, or so it seems. Maybe we just turn it all over to LE and brush it off as another person who wanted attention.

Meanwhile, as of this moment, Nicholas is still listed missing here:

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php

And a poster on Websleuths said, as of 2/15 said the King County Sheriff said this was still a missing person's case. That Nicholas had not been located.

IMO.
M.

Hey Musterion - yes you are right. We've had several people throughout the year posing as this or that,then disappear. Who knows why people do things like that or what their true agenda is?

RainyNiteNTx · #23 03-10-2009, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SilverDove

Well interesting l found the post but I haven't been looking for anything for a while now. Just went though some of the old sites.

If you are referring to an internet social site where people play games with each other, I don't hold much stock in that. I would much prefer an announcement from a reputable LE agency or missing organization.

Shelby1 · #24 03-10-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RainyNiteNTx

I asked if ST was referring to a blog or a website. I've looked at several sleuthing sites and I've checked out the Seattle Times, and even Publicis Media. There is no mention of even a rumor that Nicholas is alive in San Diego.

I would appreciate a link to this information.

I, too, would like a link to the place (forum? website?) that talks about Nicholas being alive in San Diego.

Shelby1 · #25 03-10-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KTee

Did you know he isnt even listed as missing still on the wa state missing persons site, nor is he in Namus. Really that's terrible. Sometimes I still stumble upon that site that says he leaves toast in the toaster.....
Such a slam. There were other slights early on in this case that I will not forget. If he is alive I really think that he will be sought out in a vindictive manner for child support. Instead of support and a resolution

I think the San Diego Francisco was there when he went missing, I remember looking at that profile. Also one of an older John in CA.

Last email I received from LE stated clearly that they had no information that he was dead, or alive. His wife switched those words, alive or dead which is usually not how it's put into sentence, ever. So many odd things in this case but if genders or profiles were reversed there would be an arrest already. So far, DrewP and Stebics case tie for me with this cases that must be solved. But for the right reasons.

Remember, that Nicholas is the Victim in this case. How many of you really believe that all his art work, his wood work in his garage, meant nada to this man? So much so that he left it all behind even his shoes?

Not once did we hear of missing clothes of Nicks, missing shoes, missing anything from his home. Is Nick being sought as a dead beat father, or he is a missing person? It would be nice if LE could buckle down on this case but I've seen their case load and we've all discussed that in this case. How much of an impact we dont know. One thing that I hold true to in cases is this: Most of what family members, spouses or any potential suspect says, is just that, suspect.

Kat

I've tried two times to get him added to the NAMUS site and both times I get to the end and the site doesn't accept it. Very frustrating.

RainyNiteNTx · #26 03-10-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Shelby1

I've tried two times to get him added to the NAMUS site and both times I get to the end and the site doesn't accept it. Very frustrating.

Do you know why? Is it the website having problems or does Nicholas not qualify as a missing person (ie has to meet certain criteria), or can only family members register someone? I wonder why Christine did not try to get Nick added - or maybe she did and had problems with it? I commend you for trying Shelby.

cteall · #27 03-10-2009, 10:08 AM

I am not sure if I am allowed to post this or not, but I know many people are interested in where the San Diego thing supposedly came from. This is a message board that I have never heard of that Nick was apparently a member of. ST gave me the link in a PM and referenced page 8. It was definitely a thread about Nicholas, but I couldn't find anything to indicate he was in San Diego, maybe someone else can.

http://www.yayhooray.com/thread/1397...missing?page=8

Cheri_G · #28 03-10-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cteall

I am not sure if I am allowed to post this or not, but I know many people are interested in where the San Diego thing supposedly came from. This is a message board that I have never heard of that Nick was apparently a member of. ST gave me the link in a PM and referenced page 8. It was definitely a thread about Nicholas, but I couldn't find anything to indicate he was in San Diego, maybe someone else can.

http://www.yayhooray.com/thread/1397...missing?page=8

I'm still looking through but all I've found so far is somebody saying Nick had started a thread about moving to San Diego.

cteall · #29 03-10-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheri_G

I'm still looking through but all I've found so far is somebody saying Nick had started a thread about moving to San Diego.

That was more than I could find Cheri. Now if that is true, would be nice to find that thread.

Shelby1 · #30 03-10-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RainyNiteNTx

Do you know why? Is it the website having problems or does Nicholas not qualify as a missing person (ie has to meet certain criteria), or can only family members register someone? I wonder why Christine did not try to get Nick added - or maybe she did and had problems with it? I commend you for trying Shelby.

Thanks, Rainy!

He qualifies and anyone can add a missing person if they qualify. I figured I did something wrong the first time I tried, so the second time I was very meticulous and it still didn't work, so I don't know *sigh*.

Cheri_G · #31 03-10-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cteall

That was more than I could find Cheri. Now if that is true, would be nice to find that thread.

I don't know how much we can get into this here, but it appears there was a bit of confusion with a poster thinking that the thread was started after Nick went missing but somebody else came back and said it was done months before.

There's more and I'll post it so you can read it, but probably not here since I don't think any in depth discussion of what is being said on other sites is allowed.

cteall · #32 03-10-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri_G

I don't know how much we can get into this here, but it appears there was a bit of confusion with a poster thinking that the thread was started after Nick went missing but somebody else came back and said it was done months before.

There's more and I'll post it so you can read it, but probably not here since I don't think any in depth discussion of what is being said on other sites is allowed.

Soooo, does it sound a bit like Nick may have been thinking about moving to San Diego before he went missing? This could potentially be significant.

Cheri_G · #33 03-10-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cteall

Soooo, does it sound a bit like Nick may have been thinking about moving to San Diego before he went missing? This could potentially be significant.

That's hard to say without reading the thread where he talks about it. Maybe he wanted to move his family there. Maybe it was some future dream of his to live there. Maybe he intended to get a divorce and move there. Maybe it had nothing to do with literally moving there.

Musterion · #34 03-10-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cteall

I am not sure if I am allowed to post this or not, but I know many people are interested in where the San Diego thing supposedly came from. This is a message board that I have never heard of that Nick was apparently a member of. ST gave me the link in a PM and referenced page 8. It was definitely a thread about Nicholas, but I couldn't find anything to indicate he was in San Diego, maybe someone else can.

http://www.yayhooray.com/thread/1397...missing?page=8

Hi cteall,

It came from ST huh?

It isn't Nicholas. At least it wasn't Nicholas at the beginning of the case when someone was logging on and deleting his posts there.

Remember this:

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/fo...d.php?p=179320
Post 111
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Nicholas' sites being logged in to ....as they are found, yes they are being logged in to by someone other than Nicholas. Not all have been logged in to, but some have had access figured out. That's so hopefully some information can be found to help in locating him. Christine is not deleting information from the sites. http://www.virb.com/francisco http://francisco.yayhooray.com/ These sites have been known about for quite a while now. Along with a few others."

And Post 127 on page 13 Pauli says that as far as who is logging into that site, all she could say was that it was NOT Nicholas.

Unless Harlett was dead wrong or was told wrong information by Christine or LE then I would say that it is still not Nicholas. And, whoever is posting on here that it is has some agenda for some reason. IMO.

Nicholas IS still listed on the Washington State Missing Person's site:

http://www.waspc.org/mp/missing.php

This is just IMO.
M.

SilverDove · #35 03-10-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cteall

I am not sure if I am allowed to post this or not, but I know many people are interested in where the San Diego thing supposedly came from. This is a message board that I have never heard of that Nick was apparently a member of. ST gave me the link in a PM and referenced page 8. It was definitely a thread about Nicholas, but I couldn't find anything to indicate he was in San Diego, maybe someone else can.

http://www.yayhooray.com/thread/1397...missing?page=8

More like page 31 and 32 posts were made in the last month.

MystryPhobia · #36 03-10-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheri_G

I'm still looking through but all I've found so far is somebody saying Nick had started a thread about moving to San Diego.

Some of the posts on there have been deleted.. not sure why. I believe that the thread that was started by Nicholas about moving to San Diego was because him and Christine were thinking of moving there together.

I think the interesting part of the whole thread is that SOO many people on that site knew Nicholas.. either personally or as an efriend. In fact several have said that they had met with him IRL. Several members that went to church with them or knew someone that did. One even stating that he had pizza with him in LA one time. So, I think these were people that he communicated with frequently on the site. He stopped posting alot on that site tho before he went missing. Alot of the original members of YH.. moved on to the B3 site which you can not get into unless you are a member and you have to be invited by a member to become one. The people on this site are saying that people on the B3 (butt3rscotch.org) know more than they are saying about where he may be. Since none of us can get on that site.. we have no idea what is really on there or if that is in fact true or not.

Shelby1 · #37 03-10-2009, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MystryPhobia

Some of the posts on there have been deleted.. not sure why. I believe that the thread that was started by Nicholas about moving to San Diego was because him and Christine were thinking of moving there together.

I think the interesting part of the whole thread is that SOO many people on that site knew Nicholas.. either personally or as an efriend. In fact several have said that they had met with him IRL. Several members that went to church with them or knew someone that did. One even stating that he had pizza with him in LA one time. So, I think these were people that he communicated with frequently on the site. He stopped posting alot on that site tho before he went missing. Alot of the original members of YH.. moved on to the B3 site which you can not get into unless you are a member and you have to be invited by a member to become one. The people on this site are saying that people on the B3 (butt3rscotch.org) know more than they are saying about where he may be. Since none of us can get on that site.. we have no idea what is really on there or if that is in fact true or not.

Good points, Mystery.

Musterion · #38 03-10-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MystryPhobia

Some of the posts on there have been deleted.. not sure why. I believe that the thread that was started by Nicholas about moving to San Diego was because him and Christine were thinking of moving there together.

I think the interesting part of the whole thread is that SOO many people on that site knew Nicholas.. either personally or as an efriend. In fact several have said that they had met with him IRL. Several members that went to church with them or knew someone that did. One even stating that he had pizza with him in LA one time. So, I think these were people that he communicated with frequently on the site. He stopped posting alot on that site tho before he went missing. Alot of the original members of YH.. moved on to the B3 site which you can not get into unless you are a member and you have to be invited by a member to become one. The people on this site are saying that people on the B3 (butt3rscotch.org) know more than they are saying about where he may be. Since none of us can get on that site.. we have no idea what is really on there or if that is in fact true or not.

Does LE have that information, Mystry. About the B3 site?

SeekingTruth · #39 03-10-2009, 06:49 PM

sorry i was out of town. The link is down right now but i'll post it as soon as it's up if that is allowed. What mystryphobia says is true.

RainyNiteNTx · #40 03-10-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SeekingTruth

sorry i was out of town. The link is down right now but i'll post it as soon as it's up if that is allowed. What mystryphobia says is true.

Which part is true? That Nicholas had dreamed of moving his family to San Diego or what?

There are so many ridiculous rumors out there about both Christine and Nicholas. I heard Christine is engaged to a pastor named Paul. Do you know if that is true ST??