Feb 23 2009 -

[dref99]

I assume the last thread was closed as it was getting rather long. This was my last post to Wasapi

Hi Wasapi

I posted awhile back about lessers, as did Jayne - it is determined when the jury instructions are finalised (after closing statements). Last time both sides and the judge decided lessers did not fit. If either side wants to include them, the Judge rules whether this is appropriate.

jmo

[dref99]

Some links from the last thread

did you read the transcript where officer rodriguez said ps actually said 'i did not mean to shoot her' (thanks again m2c)

page 13, line 17
http://lascftp.lasuperiorcourt.org/h...1176753993.pdf

As per T&T, juror #5 has been excused and replaced by an alternate juror, an Asian woman!
http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/...tor-trial.html

[oodi1]

I think PS2 started Oct 27th. There was a 2 week break for Christmas... add to that Thanksgiving, and the recent Presidents Day holidays, as well as the day or two for PS's surgery, and some other days off for miscellaneous reasons. All total, there has been no court for around 30 days of the last 4 months.

[Jayne]

Was going to post again about suicide, accidental homicide, accidental shooting..but figured..a waste of keystrokes. A person cannot accidentally do something On Purpose - it's a legal impossibility.

Defense could have chosen..Accident...that might have made a bit more sense, but then they'd have to prove that Lana was such an idiot that she didn't realize the gun was loaded, that she was "doing something foolish with it" and it "went off" INSIDE HER MOUTH - and then make sure at the same time in the same Breaths, that PS wasn't involved at all..as in "mutual" stupidity, play, etc. I think they knew they couldn't - he would be the only witness and if a witness, then he certainly Was There..and they had PS's statement which THEY thought would come in..("I didn't mean to do it..or didn't mean to shoot her"...whichever it was). Then AJ sideslammed them by not introducing those police statements and they'd already chosen that ridiculous defense of "accidental suicide", and I wouldn't doubt that that is large part of why AJ Did Not introduce those statements. Make them prove (well Defend..let's say...as he has the burden of proof as to murder) a legal impossibility. It was suicide or it was an accident..and due to PS's mouthing off, the accident, if so, had to have been His Accident. Now...honestly..even if PS were really thinking about Lana and claiming that what "she did to herself" were an accident, then what is the point of the other half of "suicide"? I'd say, because he wouldn't, shouldn't and couldn't take the stand due to his "excited utterances" his "not so excited utterances" and his history of foul mouthed uterrances against many, particularly women. He was essentially behind the eight ball from the moment he opened that foyer door to ADS standing outside.

JMO...only...not looking for argument or acceptance.

J

[Anakerie]

Sprocket has a new entry up! Would you believe Dominick Dunne was in the courtroom today?

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/...forty-six.html

[spydernweb2006]

I was thrilled to read that DD was looking much better, he is in my thoughts and prayers.

I wonder what the jury's reaction to the VT tapes were. I know if I were a juror and didnt know how lovely Phil can speak and then heard that Id be in shock. The tapes def show an anger issue with Women and the issue of guns as a method of anger relief.

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[dref99]

Originally Posted by spydernweb2006

I was thrilled to read that DD was looking much better, he is in my thoughts and prayers.

I wonder what the jury's reaction to the VT tapes were. I know if I were a juror and didnt know how lovely Phil can speak and then heard that Id be in shock. The tapes def show an anger issue with Women and the issue of guns as a method of anger relief.

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

Definitely agree re Dominick - it is nice to hear how he is doing - and it seems he is still enjoying LA events.

Jayne seems to have well described the types of utterances one hears from Mr Spector.

jmo

[My 2 Cents]

Joe Friday has made a post about today.

http://www.losangelestrials.blogspot.com/

Interesting that when juror, ALTERNATE #3 was selected (I guess it literally took place by picking their number from an envelope - didn't know that is how it was done) . . . the juror was surprised and Joe said she "whooped it up".

That made me feel good - - - but I'm not sure why. I think its because the juror has a "sense of humor" - - and I like that. (All I know, is Juror 10 from PS1 would have NEVER have done that - therefore, I like this juror even more!)

[dref99]

Originally Posted by My 2 Cents

Joe Friday has made a post about today.

http://www.losangelestrials.blogspot.com/

Interesting that when juror, ALTERNATE #3 was selected (I guess it literally took place by picking their number from an envelope - didn't know that is how it was done) . . . the juror was surprised and Joe said she "whooped it up".

That made me feel good - - - but I'm not sure why. I think its because the juror has a "sense of humor" - - and I like that. (All I know, is Juror 10 from PS1 would have NEVER have done that - therefore, I like this juror even more!)

Sprocket had an update here

http://sprocket-trials.blogspot.com/...tor-trial.html about the scientific selection process - taking a number from an envelope

Interesting comment by Joe Friday that Spector's attorney wanted to keep juror #5

jmo

Originally Posted by spydernweb2006

I was thrilled to read that DD was looking much better, he is in my thoughts and prayers.

I wonder what the jury's reaction to the VT tapes were. I know if I were a juror and didnt know how lovely Phil can speak and then heard that Id be in shock. The tapes def show an anger issue with Women and the issue of guns as a method of anger relief.

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

Great new about DD. I was worried about him.

I hope that tape is the deciding factor to send that killer to jail once and for all. There is no way anyone could believe Lana killed herself after hearing that.

[GPSpector]

Just thought I'd let you all know, since Dominick Dunne was brought up.

Monday, I received a contract to sign that would release statement that I had made regarding my father on the Catherine Crier show, back on 5/21/04.

After reviewing the clips of me that they wish to use, I will NOT be signing the contract.

As much as I respect Mr. Dunne, I will not give permission to only use the comments that reflect negatively against my Father. Regardless of how my Father saw the interview, that interview was done in a neutral point of view. Not with the intention of wanting to hurt my Father.

Seems whom ever is behind this show just wants me to look like a bad guy in the interview. I do not know if there will be anyone talking positively about my Father but I will not be edited & clipped to look like the bad guy.

Also, I decided to call Tru-TV directly to discuss the Rights to the show just to make sure I would not have Tru-TV coming after me if I did sign. I did find that I am free to sign if I did wish too.

But as a favor to you guys (and Gals), I asked about the coverage. I was told that they will not be covering the trial at all BUT they are undecided at this time if they will cover Closing.

Sorry, I wish I could be posting good news.

[nanouk]

I admire you very much, Gary, for the respect you show to your father after all you went through with him. And I admire you very much also for the respect you are showing for TRUTH, no matter what.

And thanks for the favor. Too bad for Tru-TV. They are missing some great moments in judicial history. Alan Jackson is an incredible prosecutor. So is Truc Do. They are missing the sinking of the Titanic so they can show us reruns of Loveboat...

JMO

Nanouk

[hiitsme]

Good Morning

I would say that yesterday was another good one for the prosecution. Hearing that DD was well enough to attend the Oscars and the trial was great, of course, seeing Gary and Wasapi back was good news too! It will be an interesting day with Dr. Di Maio. He didn't fare too well on cross in PS1 so I hope he tones down the rhetoric. After what happened with Mr. Pex, I'm sure he will choose his words very carefully.

Anyone think we'll hear from juror #5 today?

[kennedy06]

It took a reminder from JF blog that these witnesses we have been reading about, are there for the defense. I'm reading the testimony and I believe they are actually making case against PS not for him through their own honest testimony. I would have to go over it with a fine tooth comb to find the parts that are helping him. I thought there may be some blockbuster questions this time around with the new defense. I'm not seeing any really. Oh well yes, the DM "mistaken identity" gun chase story, that was a blockbuster moment, sort of like posing him with an invisible gun IMO.


I wonder what PS is thinking about all this.

[kennedy06]

Why would anyone remember or care if G protested about it or not, this last trial started in 2007 that took place in 2004. I find this odd. I would guess PS has had supporters long before the 1st trial but why before even hearing the evidence? I could take a guess as to why or who those maybe.......Hmmmm

I have an extremely good memory at times, and I don't have to stop and smell the either to remember the 1st trial board and to who may have questioned who.

End of subject for me. Yes ignore is our friend, I often forget

How will PS handle jail if he is finally found guilty?

[GPSpector]

Just so you and all my friends here know, with every interview I've done, I made it very clear that I will not do an interview that will focus on making my father look bad. I let them all know that I am willing to do a neutral interview or none at all. So far, I'v turned down about 3 interviews because of the slant they wanted. I just don't recall anyone on this board being present during any of my talks with the stations prior to the interviews.

Also as a side note, that poster's memory stinks. I have clearly stated in a couple interviews that my father, just like anyone else, is "capable" of murder but it will be up to the jury to decide if he do it. Being capable does not make it more likely, it only means he has no physical limitations that would prevent him from doing it.

As a few here have stated in the past, Lana was NOT capable do to her wrists.

[GPSpector]

Originally Posted by NYGalPal

How will PS handle jail if he is finally found guilty?

If it comes to that, not well, I'm afraid.

[wasapi]

Originally Posted by NYGalPal

How will PS handle jail if he is finally found guilty?

Speaking of Mr. Dunne. I don't recall if this is from a Vanity Fair article or an interview with him (perhaps some else knows and can help me out with the origin). Mr. Dunne made a statement that it is common knowledge amongst court personnel that Mr. Spector has a cyniade capsule in his pocket, that he can not legally be searched for it, but if a guilty verdict is announced, baliffs have been ordered to grab him immediaetly before he is able to reach for it.

Had I read this statement from any other reporter, I would question it more. But it seems Mr. Dunne has frequently been made privay to information other reporters have not.

I will search for the link, but does anyone else recall reading this?

[Forensicpsy1]

Hey Gary. Nice to see you posting.

Just wanted to suggest that you have an attorney check with Tru-TV about the rights.

imo

[GPSpector]

Originally Posted by Forensicpsy1

Hey Gary. Nice to see you posting.

Just wanted to suggest that you have an attorney check with Tru-TV about the rights.

imo

If I could afford one, I would.

I did call Tru-TV already and they did state that they do own the Rights, I just wanted to make sure that they knew I was not in favor of what they wanted to do.

They may just air it regardless but at least I stated my position on the matter, with them and here.

So, if it does get aired with comments from me, I don't want to hear how I was attacking my father.

[oodi1]

Originally Posted by wasapi

Speaking of Mr. Dunne. I don't recall if this is from a Vanity Fair article or an interview with him (perhaps some else knows and can help me out with the origin). Mr. Dunne made a statement that it is common knowledge amongst court personnel that Mr. Spector has a cyniade capsule in his pocket, that he can not legally be searched for it, but if a guilty verdict is announced, baliffs have been ordered to grab him immediaetly before he is able to reach for it.

Had I read this statement from any other reporter, I would question it more. But it seems Mr. Dunne has frequently been made privay to information other reporters have not.

I will search for the link, but does anyone else recall reading this?

Is this the article you are thinking of?

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/featu...12/dunne200712

[wasapi]

Originally Posted by hiitsme

OMG, that's horrible. I believe I heard about this actually happening to another person who was convicted of murder, but wasn't aware of DD's statement.

It is horrible, on more then one level. I believe that Mr. Dunne is credible in his coverage of this case. (It made me really happy he was well enough to go to the trial recently).

However, now that I have qouted him, I need to do a search so that I can provide a link, as well as the verbatim statement.

[kennedy06]

Originally Posted by hiitsme

OMG, that's horrible. I believe I heard about this actually happening to another person who was convicted of murder, but wasn't aware of DD's statement.

The only person I have ever heard of in history that used a capsule such as that when they knew they were going down, to avoid their possible fate, had the first name Adolf but they used a gun also.

[wasapi]

Here is the link to the article I referred to:

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/featu...12/dunne200712

I hope I did the right! It is an interesting article.

Originally Posted by wasapi

Speaking of Mr. Dunne. I don't recall if this is from a Vanity Fair article or an interview with him (perhaps some else knows and can help me out with the origin). Mr. Dunne made a statement that it is common knowledge amongst court personnel that Mr. Spector has a cyniade capsule in his pocket, that he can not legally be searched for it, but if a guilty verdict is announced, baliffs have been ordered to grab him immediaetly before he is able to reach for it.

Had I read this statement from any other reporter, I would question it more. But it seems Mr. Dunne has frequently been made privay to information other reporters have not.

I will search for the link, but does anyone else recall reading this?

Good memory there. I see someone else posted the link. I'll have read it again. Just proves what a coward PS is and always has been.

[My 2 Cents]

I guess some posters need things S-P-E-L-L-E-D out for them. UNBELIEVABLE!!! You ask . . . "WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE THAT IS?" (Why what is? Why Officer Rodriguez's statements are not included in the ITEM MARKED 29?)

THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT 2 DIFFERENT REPORTS . . . Technically, 3!!! (a transcript of the voice recorder, the actual voice recording, and Officer Rodriguez's own report of her actions that morning) But I'm sure you already knew that . . . just "searching" for a argument. Let me walk you through this, in case you truly don't understand what is happening:

Officer Beatrice Rodriguez prepared a hand written report THAT MORNING (2/3/03) that detailed her involvement with the arrest of Phil Spector and the report of someone being killed at 1700 Grand View, Alhambra. (I believe this is standard.) Here is a link to that HAND WRITTEN REPORT, prepared by her, THAT MORNING. (Not a day later, not a week later, not 1 month later, not right before the Grand Jury called her for her testimony - - - NOPE, the morning of 2/3/03).

http://lascftp.lasuperiorcourt.org/h...1176753892.pdf
(And I APOLOGIZE - I didn't realize it was MY responsibility to supply you with a link to EVERY transcript that supports every statement, that points to Spector's guilt)

As you can read on PAGE 2 of 3, LINE 19 . . . she includes statements she heard made by Spector. She also states, "under oath", that she purposely put these in QUOTATIONS because they were the exact words that she recalled him stating. In other words, she was NOT paraphrasing.

The ITEM 29 they refer to is an entirely different report. It is just a TYPED REPORT-TRANSCRIPT of the voice activated recorder that Officer Page activated from his shirt pocket that morning (Good thinking Ofc Page). But it certainly isn't a recording of EVERYTHING that took place that morning. (How unbelievable that these officers were so consumed with their safety because a woman was reported killed at this location and this idiot, PS would not simply come out of the house with his hands raised up in the air) Unfortunately, Ofc Page was a bit busy that morning. He was the Officer that helped pin PS down after he would not comply and the officers had to use a shield to push him to the ground. Officer Page was the person who initially held PS in place with his knee in his back while PS is lying there, next to the stairs, handcuffed. This Officer - Page had his hands full. He was trying to cover anyone who might come down from the 2nd floor, as no officers went up there yet. The 2nd group of officers had not arrived yet and everyone was busy trying to secure this huge house. Page activated his recorder, AFTER PS was handcuffed and AFTER he had changed the angle of his body to cover the stairs and watch the back doorway and AFTER he repositioned his knee in PS back - all the while freaking out about his SUB-MACHINE GUN that had slipped off his shoulder, etc. This VOICE ACTIVATED RECORDER and the transcript from it (ITEM 29), does NOT include a transcript of everything that went on that morning. Ofc Rodriguez heard Spector make some important statements PRIOR to Ofc Page activating his recorder. OMGosh - How UNBELIEVABLE WOULD IT BE to think that Spector might be SPEWING remarks right and left BEFORE the recorder had been activated??? Look at ALL the RANTS and RAVES he spewed while the recorder was on. To even suggest that he DIDN'T make a single remark seconds or minutes BEFORE the recorder was activated, is simply ridiculous. Ofc Rodriguez's report and the voice recording that substantiates when she and Ofc Cardella (Brandon) meet up in the hallway - all support the timeline of the events she testifies about and states in her report.

I guess that some people need the ENTIRE shooting AND arrest to be recorded - - NOPE, actually, I'm guessing if the police had recorded all of it - they would then require a VIDEO of ALL EVENTS as well. And if they had that . . . well, you know - it would be something else.

What I find most curious and AMUSING, is that this Officer's report and testimony is found questionable by some - - but yet, these SAME PERSONs DO NOT QUESTION or find UNCREDITABLE, statements RECORDED on VIDEO and DURING INTERVIEWS and in his OWN E-MAILS and RECORDED BY POLICE ON TAPE . . . that COMPLETELY CONTRADICT ONE ANOTHER and are riddled with LIE after LIE. I find that so puzzling if that poster is in fact "searching" for the truth.

Originally Posted by LandSharkII©

How 'accidental suicide' is construed as 'possible' when the very definition of the word suicide is the 'intentional killing of oneself' is beyond any reasonable comprehension.

Thank you.

[hiitsme]

Originally Posted by kennedy06

The only person I have ever heard of in history that used a capsule such as that when they knew they were going down, to avoid their possible fate, had the first name Adolf but they used a gun also.

I recall that one too! But clips of the actual trial I'm thinking of were shown on TV and seconds after the guilty verdict was read, the defendent slipped the poison and took a drink of water in front of everyone in the court. I think he collapsed but don't know if he subsequently died. OT, I know, but just of those things that popped into my mind after reading Wasapi's post.

[My 2 Cents]

Officer Page ALSO testified that he did in fact HEAR SPECTOR yelling things, but he was too focused on other important things (yeah, like his life and the safety of his fellow officers) - to take note of what the exact statements PS was spewing - - he stated that even when the recorder was turned on, he was not paying attention to what PS said - he focused on other urgent things and wasn't paying attention to that.

[oodi1]

My 2 Cents,

No offense, but I think you're preaching to the choir. The only thing Searching is searching for is an argument. It may be best to follow the instructions on the signs at the zoo... DON'T FEED THE ANIMALS!

[My 2 Cents]

Originally Posted by oodi1

My 2 Cents,

No offense, but I think you're preaching to the choir. The only thing Searching is searching for is an argument. It may be best to follow the instructions on the signs at the zoo... DON'T FEED THE ANIMALS!

You're right . . . "Don't Feed the Animals".
IGNORE will be my word-of-the-day.

[oodi1]

Originally Posted by ~FallenAngel

Does the defense plan on calling pumpkin pie this time?

At this point, she may be more credible than the defense "experts."

[hiitsme]

Originally Posted by oodi1

At this point, she may be more credible than the defense "experts."

So true! I envision her appearing like a schoolmarm this time, somewhat like Casey Anthony at her recent court hearing. Just remembering how Pie betrayed her "best friend" is so sad.

[oodi1]

Originally Posted by hiitsme

So true! I envision her appearing like a schoolmarm this time, somewhat like Casey Anthony at her recent court hearing. Just remembering how Pie betrayed her "best friend" is so sad.

Exactly! With friends like that, who needs enemies?

[GPSpector]

Originally Posted by My 2 Cents

Officer Page ALSO testified that he did in fact HEAR SPECTOR yelling things, but he was too focused on other important things (yeah, like his life and the safety of his fellow officers) - to take note of what the exact statements PS was spewing - - he stated that even when the recorder was turned on, he was not paying attention to what PS said - he focused on other urgent things and wasn't paying attention to that.

That would make sense, since there were no real conversations with my father and any of the police Officers there. Just 2 comments I think, but no real conversations, as I noted it that post of "excited utterances".

Originally Posted by wasapi

Speaking of Mr. Dunne. I don't recall if this is from a Vanity Fair article or an interview with him (perhaps some else knows and can help me out with the origin). Mr. Dunne made a statement that it is common knowledge amongst court personnel that Mr. Spector has a cyniade capsule in his pocket, that he can not legally be searched for it, but if a guilty verdict is announced, baliffs have been ordered to grab him immediaetly before he is able to reach for it.

Had I read this statement from any other reporter, I would question it more. But it seems Mr. Dunne has frequently been made privay to information other reporters have not.

I will search for the link, but does anyone else recall reading this?

http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/featu...12/dunne200712

[oodi1]

Originally Posted by OffwtheHEAD

Why does Phil Spector have this phobia about people leaving or being alone? Many people have lost a parent at an early age...

A 'normal' person should know if you treat others well, they will not leave you. I just do not understand the psychology here. He treats his kids poorly, except Nicole. He keeps his wife as a virtual prisoner, as well as his oldest kids....

We need a shrink to join the board.

I've always thought it was part of the "Little Man Syndrome" and some of the insecurities that go along with that. It would be nice to have some input from a professional. Whatever the problem(s) is/are doesn't excuse the behavior, but might help explain it.

[i h8 clowns]

Originally Posted by NYGalPal

I bet you made this up. How embarassing for you.

I was being SARCASTIC. Or at least I thought I was.
I actually thought I was being funny. It was a response to the poster 'searching' implying that Lana's wrist couldn't be that bad, or HOB would not have hired her. My posts was trying to point our how comical I thought that remark was. For one, Lana was a hostess, not a busboy, and the fact that her wrists are too weak to angle them the way weinburg or the defense suggests and then to pull a trigger at that odd angle would hardly be a question on a EMPLOYMENT APPLICATION.

Geeee, tough room (or maybe I'm just not that funny)