Fisher/Young Case - 2/9

BSNBREVARDNC · #1 02-09-2009, 06:32 PM

I thought that there had to be a hearing of some sort before the insurance money, etc. went to anybody. I know LF won the WDS, but I still think there is a hearing on damages.

5swab5 · #2 02-09-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BSNBREVARDNC

You can't get blood from a turnip. I noticed that is was not addressed in the agreement so there will probably not be any child support being paid. I doubt it was an issue any way. (IMO)

You are sure right about that. Jason's earning potential has hit the skids as it is right now, and I don't think the State pays but about a dollar a day for stamping out license plates. MOO

kingbuff · #3 02-09-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunderbird

No need to move, she already owns a home in Fuquay Varina NC.

I remember posts from long ago that Meredith would not let Linda stay in the house with her....for some reason. I don't remember any links to the info, but the 'insider' seemed sure of her facts. Maybe she'll move into the townhouse....if she gets it.

kingbuff · #4 02-09-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BSNBREVARDNC

I thought that there had to be a hearing of some sort before the insurance money, etc. went to anybody. I know LF won the WDS, but I still think there is a hearing on damages.

You think whoever claims it will be subject to a depo? That might be interesting.

Stellagant · #5 02-09-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by alterEgo©

I would think Cassidy's SS benefits from Michelle's death would xfer to Meredith. I would also think Meredith would be able to draw against the LI proceeds or other monetary assets in Michelle's estate to provide care and support of Cassidy. Since Jason has no income, she wouldn't stand to collect much in support from him.

Well, let's see: The benefits should stay with Jason because he also gets them as spouse....Meredith is sharing legal custody, she doesn't have primary legal custody....The LI proceeds aren't in Michelle's estate.

It's time CY gets a lawyer to protect her interests, imo.

Barbara2 · #6 02-09-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

Well, let's see: The benefits should stay with Jason because he also gets them as spouse....Meredith is sharing legal custody, she doesn't have primary legal custody....The LI proceeds aren't in Michelle's estate.

It's time CY gets a lawyer to protect her interests, imo.

He doesn't get them as spouse. The WDS designates him as predeceased ahead of his spouse. As far as they are concerned, he is not "alive" to collect any benefits. IMO

Stellagant · #7 02-09-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kingbuff

BTW, you think Linda is moving to Raleigh? Interesting.

That just might be a change in circumstances that Jason doesn't approve of and asks the Judge to order a psych evaluation.

Barbara2 · #8 02-09-2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

That just might be a change in circumstances that Jason doesn't approve of and asks the Judge to order a psych evaluation.

According to the order, blood relatives are allowed to reside in the home. If he didn't want Linda there, it should have been stipulated. IMO

Stellagant · #9 02-09-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbara2

He doesn't get them as spouse. The WDS designates him as predeceased ahead of his spouse. As far as they are concerned, he is not "alive" to collect any benefits. IMO

GMAB. Jason's worked since Michelle's death and has contributed to FICA, paid taxes. The Social Security Administration doesn't consider Jason deceased.

Wyn · #10 02-09-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbara2

According to the order, blood relatives are allowed to reside in the home. If he didn't want Linda there, it should have been stipulated. IMO

I can't decide if they just didn't read the order, or if they just don't understand the order?

Stellagant · #11 02-09-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbara2

According to the order, blood relatives are allowed to reside in the home. If he didn't want Linda there, it should have been stipulated. IMO

Linda didn't live in the home at the time the Order was consented to. Read it.

Wyn · #12 02-09-2009, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

Linda didn't live in the home at the time the Order was consented to. Read it.

Page five, number seven. Take your own advice and "Read it".

Barbara2 · #13 02-09-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

GMAB. Jason's worked since Michelle's death and has contributed to FICA, paid taxes. The Social Security Administration doesn't consider Jason deceased.

What do Jason's taxes have to do with Cassidy getting SSI? I pay taxes too but I don't think they are going to pay me anything. Meredith has primary custody. She is responsible for the day to day care of Cassidy and therefore should receive the benefits to support her. IMO

jerry50 · #14 02-09-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

GMAB. Jason's worked since Michelle's death and has contributed to FICA, paid taxes. The Social Security Administration doesn't consider Jason deceased.

The SS benefits that Cassidy is eligible for have nothing to do with how often JY worked and how much money he has put in his FICA account. She is eligible because of her Mother's employment history and payment to FICA.

awareness · #15 02-09-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyn

Page five, number seven. Take your own advice and "Read it".

Dont feel bad, there's a few people on this thread who can't seem to read clearly.

MO that Linda can go visit Cassidy and Meredith at any time she's in Meredith's care as primary physical custodian - which as we all know they'll be living in the house Linda owns. Not only is she included as "blood relative" and was given phone time per #11 "Telephone Contact" in the agreement -- but there's nothing written in the agreement that would EXCLUDE Linda from contacting/visiting/moving in with Cassidy/Meredith at all.

But some people can't read that and imply there's something more sinister about Linda since she wasnt granted the title of custodian at all.

JMO/IMO

Stellagant · #16 02-09-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyn

Page five, number seven. Take your own advice and "Read it".

I did read it. Linda Fisher is listed as a citizen of Sayville, NY. Jason didn't consent to her having physical custody.

Stellagant · #17 02-09-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbara2

What do Jason's taxes have to do with Cassidy getting SSI? I pay taxes too but I don't think they are going to pay me anything. Meredith has primary custody. She is responsible for the day to day care of Cassidy and therefore should receive the benefits to support her. IMO

Survivor benefits are paid to families. You think SS is paid directly to CY and she endorses the check each month? GMAB

awareness · #18 02-09-2009, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

I did read it. Linda Fisher is listed as a citizen of Sayville, NY. Jason didn't consent to her having physical custody.

Again, just because Linda was not specifically named - does not mean she is EXCLUDED.

#8 of the agreement under "FINDINGS OF FACT" indicates all parties, this would include Linda, agree that its in Cassidy's best interest for Meredith and Jason to share legal and physical custody.

Linda can OBVIOUSLY call Cassidy when she's with the Youngs. She can also go visit and stay overnight, even move in since she's a "Blood Relative" - so long as Cassidy is with Meredith.

Who cares that she's not listed as "Custodian", its not reflecting on Linda's charachter at all.

JMO/IMO

Wyn · #19 02-09-2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

I did read it. Linda Fisher is listed as a citizen of Sayville, NY. Jason didn't consent to her having physical custody.

Who cares if "Jason didn't consent to her having physical custody"? She's a blood relative, she can spend the night in the house, spend the week in the house, spend the next year in the house, with Cassidy. She's her grandmother. You seriously think Jason isn't going to pick Cassidy up, and at some point, leave her with Pat Young? Meredith didn't consent to Pat Young having physical custody either.

Barbara2 · #20 02-09-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

Survivor benefits are paid to families. You think SS is paid directly to CY and she endorses the check each month? GMAB

Yes they are, and as Cassidy's primary caregiver, the benefits will be paid to Meredith for the support of Cassidy. IMO

Stellagant · #21 02-09-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by awareness

Again, just because Linda was not specifically named - does not mean she is EXCLUDED.

#8 of the agreement under "FINDINGS OF FACT" indicates all parties, this would include Linda, agree that its in Cassidy's best interest for Meredith and Jason to share legal and physical custody.

Linda can OBVIOUSLY call Cassidy when she's with the Youngs. She can also go visit and stay overnight, even move in since she's a "Blood Relative".

Who cares that she's not listed as "Custodian", its not reflecting on Linda's charachter at all.

JMO/IMO

Linda Fisher was a plaintiff and lived in Sayville at the time of the agreement. If she moves in with Meredith, Jason does have the right to petition the Court because this represents a change in circumstance that concerns the best interest of the child.

Wyn · #22 02-09-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

Survivor benefits are paid to families. You think SS is paid directly to CY and she endorses the check each month? GMAB

Meredith will have primary physical custody. She will receive the SS benefits on Cassidy's behalf because they don't split checks. Jason can ask to be informed on how the money is spent. But he won't get to line his pockets with the money. I'm so sorry you don't understand how any of this works. Google is your friend.

Stellagant · #23 02-09-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbara2

Yes they are, and as Cassidy's primary caregiver, the benefits will be paid to Meredith for the support of Cassidy. IMO

Meredith is only sharing legal custody, she is not Cassidy's parent. Jason will continue to receive both his and Cassidy's benefits. Meredith doesn't have legal access to Michelle's social security benefits.

Wyn · #24 02-09-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

Linda Fisher was a plaintiff and lived in Sayville at the time of the agreement. If she moves in with Meredith, Jason does have the right to petition the Court because this represents a change in circumstance that concerns the best interest of the child.

It's already covered in the part of the order you don't seem to understand, under "blood relative". Did you know that if Meredith gets married, her new husband can live in the same house too?

Barbara2 · #25 02-09-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

Meredith is only sharing legal custody, she is not Cassidy's parent. Jason will continue to receive both his and Cassidy's benefits. Meredith doesn't have legal access to Michelle's social security benefits.

Jason turned over primary custody to Meredith. She will receive the benefits as the primary caregiver for for child. IMO

Wyn · #26 02-09-2009, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

Meredith is only sharing legal custody, she is not Cassidy's parent. Jason will continue to receive both his and Cassidy's benefits. Meredith doesn't have legal access to Michelle's social security benefits.

What, NO link?

Stellagant · #27 02-09-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyn

Meredith will have primary physical custody. She will receive the SS benefits on Cassidy's behalf because they don't split checks. Jason can ask to be informed on how the money is spent. But he won't get to line his pockets with the money. I'm so sorry you don't understand how any of this works. Google is your friend.

No, Meredith can't receive Cassidy's benefits because Meredith isn't Cassidy's parent, Jason is.

You might want to re-read the consent order. No financials are mentioned, including child support, social security, nada.

Stellagant · #28 02-09-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Barbara2

Jason turned over primary custody to Meredith. She will receive the benefits as the primary caregiver for for child. IMO

Jason did not turn over primary legal custody to Meredith. I wish her luck if she thinks a Social Security Administrative Judge is going to agree she should be paid rather than the child's legal father, Michelle's husband.

5swab5 · #29 02-09-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyn

Meredith will have primary physical custody. She will receive the SS benefits on Cassidy's behalf because they don't split checks. Jason can ask to be informed on how the money is spent. But he won't get to line his pockets with the money. I'm so sorry you don't understand how any of this works. Google is your friend.

Yep, the thoughts of the slayer being able to use any of Michelle's Social Security benefits for anything, just isn't right.

Hopefully the WDS will keep him away from his "blood money". MOO

Barbara2 · #30 02-09-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

Jason did not turn over primary legal custody to Meredith. I wish her luck if she thinks a Social Security Administrative Judge is going to agree she should be paid rather than the child's legal father, Michelle's husband.

Whatever you say.

Stellagant · #31 02-09-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyn

It's already covered in the part of the order you don't seem to understand, under "blood relative". Did you know that if Meredith gets married, her new husband can live in the same house too?

Sure. I also know Jason could petition the court because that also represents a substantial change in circumstance that could affect his child's best interests.

Wyn · #32 02-09-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kingbuff

I remember posts from long ago that Meredith would not let Linda stay in the house with her....for some reason. I don't remember any links to the info, but the 'insider' seemed sure of her facts. Maybe she'll move into the townhouse....if she gets it.

Looks like someone's agenda is still to spread misinformation. One wonders for what purpose.

Stellagant · #33 02-09-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 5swab5

Yep, the thoughts of the slayer being able to use any of Michelle's Social Security benefits for anything, just isn't right.

Hopefully the WDS will keep him away from his "blood money". MOO

The WDS is off the table now because of the consent order and it can't be revisted. If Meredith was after social security money or child support, she should have played it through and asked a Judge to decide. She opted to settle with an agreement that makes no mention of child support and can be easily challenged because Jason's parental rights are intact.

Wyn · #34 02-09-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

Sure. I also know Jason could petition the court because that also represents a substantial change in circumstance that could affect his child's best interests.

Actually just moving back to Wake County would represent a "substantial change". Having her grandmother come for overnight visits does not. I find it amazing that someone would post something so wrong regarding a loving grandmother's visits as "circumstance that could affect his child's best interests".

Jason's only concern is HIS best interest which is why he is handing over primary physical custody of Cassidy to Meredith. His best interest is to avoid a courtroom, depositions, and pysch exams. Items that would be coming his way again if he decided he wanted to petition the court for change. I'm surprised you don't get it. Or maybe you do but just don't want to concede that you are, as usual, wrong.

Wyn · #35 02-09-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

The WDS is off the table now because of the consent order and it can't be revisted. If Meredith was after social security money or child support, she should have played it through and asked a Judge to decide. She opted to settle with an agreement that makes no mention of child support and can be easily challenged because Jason's parental rights are intact.

Why do you keep bringing up child support? I doubt Meredith wanted or considered asking for child support. The social security benefits don't have to be stipulated. They are what they are.

Stellagant · #36 02-09-2009, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyn

Actually just moving back to Wake County would represent a "substantial change". Having her grandmother come for overnight visits does not. I find it amazing that someone would post something so wrong regarding a loving grandmother's visits as "circumstance that could affect his child's best interests".

Jason's only concern is HIS best interest which is why he is handing over primary physical custody of Cassidy to Meredith. His best interest is to avoid a courtroom, depositions, and pysch exams. Items that would be coming his way again if he decided he wanted to petition the court for change. I'm surprised you don't get it. Or maybe you do but just don't want to concede that you are, as usual, wrong.

I agree, CY's moving back to Wake County does represent a substantial change and if CY affected adversely, Jason should raise it as an issue to be resolved by the Judge. Don't we all want what is best for Cassidy?

I didn't suggest Linda Fisher can't visit when Meredith has physical custody. Moving into the home with Cassidy is what I was addressing. It's a substantial change. Jason negotiated that agreement with the understanding his MIL was a citizen of Sayville, NY.

Stellagant · #37 02-09-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyn

Why do you keep bringing up child support? I doubt Meredith wanted or considered asking for child support. The social security benefits don't have to be stipulated. They are what they are.

Because child support is part of the custody process. Social security benefits aren't addressed in the consent order. Social Security isn't going to pay Michelle's benefits to anyone other than to Jason without a court order.

Wyn · #38 02-09-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

I agree, CY's moving back to Wake County does represent a substantial change and if CY affected adversely, Jason should raise it as an issue to be resolved by the Judge. Don't we all want what is best for Cassidy?
I didn't suggest Linda Fisher can't visit when Meredith has physical custody. Moving into the home with Cassidy is what I was addressing. It's a substantial change. Jason negotiated that agreement with the understanding his MIL was a citizen of Sayville, NY.

It doesn't appear that you do. She gets to live with her beloved aunt who reminds her so much of her mother. She finally gets to see the loving grandmother whenever. But you just keep trying to find loopholes so that Jason can find away to change the agreement! Don't you realize that Jason won't want to change the agreement? He has no desire to go to court. Or even come back to Wake County. He voluntarily signed order.

My guess is that a house full of blood relatives could move in with Meredith and Cassidy and Jason wouldn't care. He's NOT going to take a chance on going to court. No matter how badly you wish to believe he didn't do this for his own gain.

It's turning into "Groundhog Day" here again. I'm sorry you don't understand the facts surrounding WHY Jason did what he did. Maybe "King Buff" can explain it to you?

Cardinal · #39 02-09-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

I agree, CY's moving back to Wake County does represent a substantial change and if CY affected adversely, Jason should raise it as an issue to be resolved by the Judge. Don't we all want what is best for Cassidy?

I didn't suggest Linda Fisher can't visit when Meredith has physical custody. Moving into the home with Cassidy is what I was addressing. It's a substantial change. Jason negotiated that agreement with the understanding his MIL was a citizen of Sayville, NY.

And Meredith negotiated that agreement with the understanding that Jason was a resident of Transylvania County, NC. If Jason moves to Georgia, is that also a substantial change that could adversely affect Cassidy? Couldn't Meredith then file for full custody?

Wyn · #40 02-09-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Stellagant

Because child support is part of the custody process. Social security benefits aren't addressed in the consent order. Social Security isn't going to pay Michelle's benefits to anyone other than to Jason without a court order.

Meredith has a court order showing she will have PRIMARY PHYSICAL custody of Cassidy. She will have Cassidy's birth certificate, etc. Everything she needs to show the SS Administration that Cassidy's benefit checks legally should be mailed to a Wake County address.