2/9 Double homicide

bkwits · #1 02-09-2009, 11:00 AM

New thread for today

wolfi_2 · #2 02-09-2009, 11:03 AM

Quoted from last thread

-Aradia5-
On the video on the right at the end of it it says court this week is to see if CR can stay home with his mom.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/no...hT-AEZCsQ.cspx

or

http://www.abc15.com/mediacenter/loc...xv.dayport.com
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I hope that is true, I can’t imagine, how I would tell my child that he must go back in isolation.

bkwits · #3 02-09-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wolfi_2

Quoted from last thread

-Aradia5-
On the video on the right at the end of it it says court this week is to see if CR can stay home with his mom.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/no...hT-AEZCsQ.cspx

or

http://www.abc15.com/mediacenter/loc...xv.dayport.com
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I hope that is true, I can’t imagine, how I would tell my child that he must go back in isolation.

I wonder if the court will post some new files today.

wolfi_2 · #4 02-09-2009, 12:07 PM

About Leroy Romero, it’s very suspiciously for me, to tell family members nobody should speak to the investigators.

And as far I read in the moment, the boy is that kind of boy, the most of us like to have!

IAMME · #5 02-09-2009, 12:25 PM

Notice how they keep going back to Nicole? Do you guys think she is a suspect?

Or better yet why don't we work on a new suspect list???

Nicole
guys in the primered car

Who else is new?

muska · #6 02-09-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfi_2

About Leroy Romero, it’s very suspiciously for me, to tell family members nobody should speak to the investigators.

And as far I read in the moment, the boy is that kind of boy, the most of us like to have!

That does seem pretty awful. Why didn't the family make sure the boy didn't talk to the police without a lawyer if they're going to worry so much about themselves? It sounds like Leroy was worried the police would report negatively about them............sure doesn't sound like he had much confidence in the police, at least not after the fact.

mrrogers · #7 02-09-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by muska

That does seem pretty awful. Why didn't the family make sure the boy didn't talk to the police without a lawyer if they're going to worry so much about themselves? It sounds like Leroy was worried the police would report negatively about them............sure doesn't sound like he had much confidence in the police, at least not after the fact.

the police refused to let anyone in with the boy thats why
u think thats bad he wants the boy in fostercare or locked up
hes turned his back on the boy

muska · #8 02-09-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mrrogers

the police refused to let anyone in with the boy thats why
u think thats bad he wants the boy in fostercare or locked up
hes turned his back on the boy

I saw on one of the comment pages that someone was suggesting foster care. I think Eryn has shown that she is very capable of handling the situation and the child's care. He needs to be with someone who loves him, someone who can make him feel safe.

freddief · #9 02-09-2009, 12:50 PM

I've never read so much trash on this website. Blaming family members and friends, impugning their reputations. IMO CR did the crime. He'll probably get out this week because the courts don't know how to handle this...not because he's innocent. IMO

Crispy · #10 02-09-2009, 01:07 PM

So we have court again this Thursday the 12th.

I wonder why no transcripts are being put up on the website and everything is being done in a closed hearing.

IAMME · #11 02-09-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Crispy

So we have court again this Thursday the 12th.

I wonder why no transcripts are being put up on the website and everything is being done in a closed hearing.

Maybe the finally realized they are dealing with a juvenile and that MOST juvenile records are not made into media fodder? Of course I may be giving them WAY too much credit....imo

Aradia5 · #12 02-09-2009, 01:42 PM

Here is the link

http://www.co.apache.az.us/pdfs/CountyMGR/request.pdf

.25 per page

How can we help if some on this board didn't pay for this stuff?? We had to! It is public record!

rusure? · #13 02-09-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Aradia5

Here is the link

http://www.co.apache.az.us/pdfs/CountyMGR/request.pdf

.25 per page

How can we help if some on this board didn't pay for this stuff?? We had to! It is public record!

So, does this mean it can be discussed now?

PensiveOne · #14 02-09-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by freddief

I've never read so much trash on this website. Blaming family members and friends, impugning their reputations. IMO CR did the crime. He'll probably get out this week because the courts don't know how to handle this...not because he's innocent. IMO

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/no...hT-AEZCsQ.cspx

Cherishlove · #15 02-09-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by freddief

I've never read so much trash on this website. Blaming family members and friends, impugning their reputations. IMO CR did the crime. He'll probably get out this week because the courts don't know how to handle this...not because he's innocent. IMO

That's your opinion but there are many people who feel he is innocent. The stuff reported on this tread regarding the drugs and someone threatening Mr. Romans life was on the news yesterday. You can buy the records they are discussing, it's public knowledge.

petessake · #16 02-09-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jem

I continue to believe he did not kill these men. I DO believe he had a very unstable homelife, from these latest news reports, and these new records. I believe a lot of the wrong influence was allowed. I believe it was a mistake to have Tim Romans in the home. I believe Eryn knows her son, and she certainly is standing by him. I have always thought it was a drug or passion crime, aimed at Tim. Vince may have been somewhat involved, or was simply in the way. I also believe it's not over yet. But we are getting closer to the end.

i agree a lot of what you say. lets just hope this nightmare is over real soon for this little boy and his mother. waiting for brewer/wood to exonerate this poor little boy! lets hope this is a week for good, solid news!

Cherishlove · #17 02-09-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by freddief

I've never read so much trash on this website. Blaming family members and friends, impugning their reputations. IMO CR did the crime. He'll probably get out this week because the courts don't know how to handle this...not because he's innocent. IMO

But it's okay for you to say bad things about this little boy?

Aradia5 · #18 02-09-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Linda777NJ

There is no purchase necessary.

Did you get yours yet ?

Aradia5 · #19 02-09-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jem

I continue to believe he did not kill these men. I DO believe he had a very unstable homelife, from these latest news reports, and these new records. I believe a lot of the wrong influence was allowed. I believe it was a mistake to have Tim Romans in the home. I believe Eryn knows her son, and she certainly is standing by him. I have always thought it was a drug or passion crime, aimed at Tim. Vince may have been somewhat involved, or was simply in the way. I also believe it's not over yet. But we are getting closer to the end.

ITA

mrrogers · #20 02-09-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfi_2

About Leroy Romero, it’s very suspiciously for me, to tell family members nobody should speak to the investigators.

And as far I read in the moment, the boy is that kind of boy, the most of us like to have!

well if hed a dug his heels in at the house and not caved this might not have happened

petessake · #21 02-09-2009, 03:22 PM

how far is st.johns from the tempe area? on jan 10th they arrested the leader of the group that sold methamphetamines in tempe, mesa and phoenix areas. arrests more than 80 drug dealers that targeted everyone from small-scale dealers to mid-level supporters etc. it is over on the az family news site.

steffaroob4 · #22 02-09-2009, 03:23 PM

http://november2008stjohnsdoublehomicide.com/
Not sure how this works, but maybe it might help.

If you figure out how it works, please PM me and tell how to do it.

mrrogers · #23 02-09-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

I don't think so by her post.

Coldwater
Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 466

How about posting the link to report or don't post at all.

The link that Aradia gave http://www.co.apache.az.us/pdfs/CountyMGR/request.pdf is not a link to the report but a request site.

But maybe someone can ask Coldwater.

I have never seen when quotes are used or discussions stated from information that hasn't been in the media, being allowed without having an actual link to the report(s) themselves the posters are discussing and quoting.

Maybe the Apache County Clerk of the Court will have them available on their site later today. Then every posters will have a link to the actual reports.

imoo

i just cannot believe you complained about something you didnt have to cw
there is nothing in the tos that limit this type of discussion
so because one person doesnt have something no one can talk thats a very mature attitude
just because you havent seen it gb doesnt mean it cant be done this is the 21st century
would you be so kind as to show me a link to where it cant be done
thanking you in advance for your cooperation

mrrogers · #24 02-09-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by petessake

how far is st.johns from the tempe area? on jan 10th they arrested the leader of the group that sold methamphetamines in tempe, mesa and phoenix areas. arrests more than 80 drug dealers that targeted everyone from small-scale dealers to mid-level supporters etc. it is over on the az family news site.

its about a 4 hour drive

rusure? · #25 02-09-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by petessake

how far is st.johns from the tempe area? on jan 10th they arrested the leader of the group that sold methamphetamines in tempe, mesa and phoenix areas. arrests more than 80 drug dealers that targeted everyone from small-scale dealers to mid-level supporters etc. it is over on the az family news site.

Wonder if one of the ones arrested is the person who threatened to kill TR?

GentleBreeze · #26 02-09-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bkwits

I asked Coldwater and am waiting for a reply. As far as I know this report is not linkeable directly. It has to be ordered. You can't link to something that is not posted online, as far as I know. At least three links have been given where one can order this report. That is how most of the posters got the report. I am waiting for Coldwater's reply.

Maybe I am confused. Posters last night were asking to see the link to the report and then it was obvious imo, shortly thereafter, they had been given the report by someone, because they started commenting on the reports, themselves. I suppose that was done through PMs or emails. So if that can be done why cant the link be put on the board for all IS posters to read for themselves and make their own comments?

It had to come in a format of a pdf, didn't it? Then why not link just the pdf report.

I just don't understand all the secrecy.

imo

bkwits · #27 02-09-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

Maybe I am confused. Posters last night were asking to see the link to the report and then it was obvious imo, shortly thereafter, they had been given the report by someone, because they started commenting on the reports, themselves. I suppose that was done through PMs or emails. So if that can be done why cant the link be put on the board for all IS posters to read for themselves and make their own comments?

It had to come in a format of a pdf, didn't it? Then why not link just the pdf report.

I just don't understand all the secrecy.

imo

There is no secrecy. It is public information. You can get it just like I did. If I mentioned something that was printed in a book, would I have to scan and print the book. No that is infringement, isn't it? Maybe this would be also. I don't know. As far as I can tell, there is nothing in TOS to prevent the discussion. Why don't you get the report for yourself? I don't understand your complaining. It is readily available to you.

IMHO

GentleBreeze · #28 02-09-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mrrogers

i just cannot believe you complained about something you didnt have to cw
there is nothing in the tos that limit this type of discussion
so because one person doesnt have something no one can talk thats a very mature attitude
just because you havent seen it gb doesnt mean it cant be done this is the 21st century
would you be so kind as to show me a link to where it cant be done
thanking you in advance for your cooperation

Here ya go. Right from the boss.

02-09-2009, 11:57 AM
Coldwater
Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 466

How about posting the link to report or don't post at all.

Aradia5 · #29 02-09-2009, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rusure?

Wonder if one of the ones arrested is the person who threatened to kill TR?

That would be AWESOME!

bkwits · #30 02-09-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

Here ya go. Right from the boss.

02-09-2009, 11:57 AM
Coldwater
Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 466

How about posting the link to report or don't post at all.

That is taken out of context of the quote she was addressing. I think you know that, though.

bkwits · #31 02-09-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Donuts

I've looked all over and I can't find it.

Aradia5 posted this one.

http://www.co.apache.az.us/pdfs/CountyMGR/request.pdf

Jacobtk · #32 02-09-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by freddief

I've never read so much trash on this website. Blaming family members and friends, impugning their reputations.

It is not unusual. The state decided to release a report to the media that unfortunately raises a lot of questions about the family members. The speculation could have remained just that had Carlyon not tried this poorly played gamble. The statements reported on news casts make very horrible implications about both the victims and because the media simply put statements on television without any context, it is no surprise that people will question the family members' characters.

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IMO CR did the crime. He'll probably get out this week because the courts don't know how to handle this...not because he's innocent. IMO

At this point the only reason he will remain out of jail is if Hines tells the judge that the boy could not handle being imprisoned (which should be apparent, but one would be surprised by how oblivious and unconcerned adults, particularly those with power, actually are). There is also the possibility that the defense has turned over evidence that points away from the boy. There is also the possibility that the defense needs more time to interview those on the witness list. If the boy's guilt was apparent, it would be beyond unwise for the judge to release a child who impulsively tries to kill people for no given reason.

mrrogers · #33 02-09-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by muska

I saw on one of the comment pages that someone was suggesting foster care. I think Eryn has shown that she is very capable of handling the situation and the child's care. He needs to be with someone who loves him, someone who can make him feel safe.

yea shes got a nice lawyer also to help talked to him last week

bkwits · #34 02-09-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Linda777NJ

There is no purchase necessary.

Can you tell us where to get the report?

dgfred · #35 02-09-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jem

I guess we might as well close up shop then.

That's what I was thinking

.

I thought it was a discussion/message/forum. How can one theorize different possibilities if there is no link to verify... if it is something one is thinking over and not verified. I'm not trying to cause any trouble, just confused.

muska · #36 02-09-2009, 05:01 PM

It seems like two ways to get the information have been posted. Don't they count as links?

bkwits · #37 02-09-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dgfred

That's what I was thinking

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I thought it was a discussion/message/forum. How can one theorize different possibilities if there is no link to verify... if it is something one is thinking over and not verified. I'm not trying to cause any trouble, just confused.

I am confused by your post. Could you explain further?

bkwits · #38 02-09-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacobtk

I have no problem posting to every single newscast that has discussed the released report. It seems ridiculous that anyone would be barred from discussing what was reported on the news given that the information comes directly from the state.
ci
Or perhaps something else is at play.

I've thought of that too. When writing a report or essay, it is permissable to cite discussions with people, books, journals, Internet, television shows. Just about any source as long as it can be verified. If we quote info from a book, there isn't necessarily an Internet link to it. This is thoroughly confusing.

IMO

mrrogers · #39 02-09-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bkwits

I wonder if the court will post some new files today.

usually they post at 430pm az time

dgfred · #40 02-09-2009, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jem

Another one of the sayings from the southwest. I'm telling you, I grew up saying "I'll kill you", or "I'm gonna kill her/him" all the time. Different expressions for different areas. And I've NEVER killed anyone. Oops, some are gonna come after me

Here in NC they even say it all the time on the Andy Griffith show:

Barney says what he can do to Ernest T. Bass and Andy says 'he'll kill ya' , doesn't mean acutually would kill but you get the message.