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[alterEgo©]

Let's try this again.......

[Tia]

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

Let's try this again.......

I just typed out this loooooooooong post, and everything was gone! Thanks for starting a new thread.

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

Ain't that the truth. You get ganged up on and bashed and baited simply because you question what has been presented.

And it seems obvious to the most casual observer that the DA has the same type questions as he has not sought an indictment.

But you don't see the DA's office getting the immature remarks directed at him like those directed at you by so-called adults.

You are missing the point AE, there is a poster I skip over most of the time because the nastiness pointed toward the Fisher's, and the constant immature "gloating", among other things. I caught that one today because I thought the original post I quoted was very mean and hateful, coming from someone who then claims to want justice for Michelle. You can't type that you want justice for Michelle, after you gloated all day about how many days a named slayer has a small child in his care. I just doesn't make sense. And yes, I just shouldn't stoop to that level by responding.

Since we KNOW Jason has been declared Michelle's slayer in a civil court, as FACT, why are Fisher's career choices, weight, etc.......an issue? They simply want to see Cassidy who was a large part of their lives before Michelle was murdered. In their hearts they know Jason murdered Michelle and most here are of the same opinion, so of course they are seeking custody and filing a civil suit. I'd do the same if Michelle was my child or sister. I, as many others here, simply cannot wrap my brain around why Jason has never done one thing to help LE and lawyered up right away. That behavior leaves most of us under the impression that he is hiding something. The email to his sister, that it would "blow over" and comparing it to another case.....he obviously KNOWS exactly what he is doing if he is following other spousal murders.

I would much rather argue the intelligent points of the case, like WHY HASN'T THE DA SOUGHT AN INDICTMENT??!! What's the holdup?, rather than have to defend the Fisher's all day because one poster seems to enjoy watching the pain they are enduring.

Linda and Meredith have never been named Michelle's Slayer and we have never heard that they haven't cooperated, or that they were the focus of the investigation.

During the Peterson trial, you could get banned for speaking badly about Amber for those same reasons, we never heard she didn't cooperate, wasn't named a slayer, and was not the focus of the investigation.

I guess maybe I am still stuck on the "old rules"?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

Let's try this again.......

We have been told over and over again to discuss posts, not posters.
We have also been told to ignore certain posters.

I was in the middle of a post too.
About whether Jason had scratches or marks on him.

My response was that,
No, I don't know if Jason had any marks on him, anymore, than anyone knows if he was wearing gloves or even if he went back to Raleigh for certain that nite.

Kat

[alterEgo©]

Tia, I understand your frustration about what you see posted and your need to defend those you feel in your heart have been wronged the most greivous of wrongs on the planet.

But you have to also factor in all the posts proclaiming an arrest 'any day now'. And while that prediction may at some point come to fruition, it has been just as tiring to read those predictions.

Probably not an equal comparison, but I am truely trying to extend an olive branch. I have seen some very interesting thoughts and interpretations of case law posted since the civil suits have been filed. I would much rather discuss those issues than who-posted-what-and-what-kind-of-person-does-it-make-them.

So why hasn't the DA sought and indictment? I posted case law awhile back that dealt with evidence rising above suspicion and I think that is where the evidence stands right now.

I also wonder if the WD ruling will meet the 'clear and convincing' burden of proof for the court to strip Jason of his constitutionally protected status as Cassidy's natural parent and determine what is in her best interest.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

Tia, I understand your frustration about what you see posted and your need to defend those you feel in your heart have been wronged the most greivous of wrongs on the planet.

But you have to also factor in all the posts proclaiming an arrest 'any day now'. And while that prediction may at some point come to fruition, it has been just as tiring to read those predictions.

Probably not an equal comparison, but I am truely trying to extend an olive branch. I have seen some very interesting thoughts and interpretations of case law posted since the civil suits have been filed. I would much rather discuss those issues than who-posted-what-and-what-kind-of-person-does-it-make-them.

So why hasn't the DA sought and indictment? I posted case law awhile back that dealt with evidence rising above suspicion and I think that is where the evidence stands right now.

I also wonder if the WD ruling will meet the 'clear and convincing' burden of proof for the court to strip Jason of his constitutionally protected status as Cassidy's natural parent and determine what is in her best interest.

We have all been making an effort to keep the Board open, in case something happens. That is all we can do.
Otherwise, we lose the entire thread and all the posts are gone.


On the subject again, of no indictment/arrest, I think it is safe to say
something is clearly wrong..
Donnie spoke of a missing piece, and assured people that progress was being made since Jan. 2007.
t would be great to get a real official update though!
I think there was a lot of disappointment when the Feb 4th hearing came and went. Maybe some people were expecting a showdown
between the Fishers and Jason in court.
There have been a lot of dates that have come and gone with high expectations and no results.
Truly, a hard case to follow..

Kat

[Tia]

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

Tia, I understand your frustration about what you see posted and your need to defend those you feel in your heart have been wronged the most greivous of wrongs on the planet.

But you have to also factor in all the posts proclaiming an arrest 'any day now'. And while that prediction may at some point come to fruition, it has been just as tiring to read those predictions.

Probably not an equal comparison, but I am truely trying to extend an olive branch. I have seen some very interesting thoughts and interpretations of case law posted since the civil suits have been filed. I would much rather discuss those issues than who-posted-what-and-what-kind-of-person-does-it-make-them.

So why hasn't the DA sought and indictment? I posted case law awhile back that dealt with evidence rising above suspicion and I think that is where the evidence stands right now.

I also wonder if the WD ruling will meet the 'clear and convincing' burden of proof for the court to strip Jason of his constitutionally protected status as Cassidy's natural parent and determine what is in her best interest.

I believe he would have to be convicted in a criminal court for that right to be taken away. But, again, I know very little of NC family law.

[alterEgo©]

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

I was in the middle of a post too.
About whether Jason had scratches or marks on him.

My response was that,
No, I don't know if Jason had any marks on him, anymore, than anyone knows if he was wearing gloves or even if he went back to Raleigh for certain that nite.

Kat

LE certainly had suspicions that whoever murdered Michelle had some type of marks on him/her because there was a mighty struggle in that bedroom. If Jason has no such marks, it certainly points the arrow to doubt.

[Barbara2]

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

LE certainly had suspicions that whoever murdered Michelle had some type of marks on him/her because there was a mighty struggle in that bedroom. If Jason has no such marks, it certainly points the arrow to doubt.

I disagree. I think that LE followed all avenues and possibilities in the beginning. They looked for marks but the absence of marks isn't proof of anything. It could be gloves. It could be that the victim thrashed around trying to get away and therefore there was evidence of a struggle but that doesn't mean she got her hands on him. I just don't see that as ruling him out. IMO

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by Barbara2

I disagree. I think that LE followed all avenues and possibilities in the beginning. They looked for marks but the absence of marks isn't proof of anything. It could be gloves. It could be that the victim thrashed around trying to get away and therefore there was evidence of a struggle but that doesn't mean she got her hands on him. I just don't see that as ruling him out. IMO

Me either. Wasnt there some marks on his hands at the funeral?

[alterEgo©]

Originally Posted by Tia

I believe he would have to be convicted in a criminal court for that right to be taken away. But, again, I know very little of NC family law.

I would think if that were the case, the Fisher's would not have been able to offer the WD ruling as grounds to terminate his parental rights.

However, the statute does read that the parent has to be convicted of the murder of the other parent, as you stated.

I can find very little case law because not very many rulings in custody cases can be appealed.

[Tia]

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

Tia, I understand your frustration about what you see posted and your need to defend those you feel in your heart have been wronged the most greivous of wrongs on the planet.

But you have to also factor in all the posts proclaiming an arrest 'any day now'. And while that prediction may at some point come to fruition, it has been just as tiring to read those predictions.

Probably not an equal comparison, but I am truely trying to extend an olive branch. I have seen some very interesting thoughts and interpretations of case law posted since the civil suits have been filed. I would much rather discuss those issues than who-posted-what-and-what-kind-of-person-does-it-make-them.

So why hasn't the DA sought and indictment? I posted case law awhile back that dealt with evidence rising above suspicion and I think that is where the evidence stands right now.

I also wonder if the WD ruling will meet the 'clear and convincing' burden of proof for the court to strip Jason of his constitutionally protected status as Cassidy's natural parent and determine what is in her best interest.

“In North Carolina, parents have a constitutionally protected right to the care, custody, and control of their children,” Nicole Taylor, a family law attorney who is not associated with the Young custody case, said. (...) In Taylor’s expert opinion, the biggest thing working against Jason Young at this point is his failure to respond to the wrongful death lawsuit earlier this month, which resulted in the civil court declaring him his wife's killer. “That, in my opinion, would be enough for the district court judge to find he's acted inconsistent with his parental rights or is obviously unfit to continue custody of the child,” she said.
http://news14.com/content/local_news...y/Default.aspx

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Me either. Wasnt there some marks on his hands at the funeral?

Where did that come from?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by Tia

“In North Carolina, parents have a constitutionally protected right to the care, custody, and control of their children,” Nicole Taylor, a family law attorney who is not associated with the Young custody case, said. (...) In Taylor’s expert opinion, the biggest thing working against Jason Young at this point is his failure to respond to the wrongful death lawsuit earlier this month, which resulted in the civil court declaring him his wife's killer. “That, in my opinion, would be enough for the district court judge to find he's acted inconsistent with his parental rights or is obviously unfit to continue custody of the child,” she said.
http://news14.com/content/local_news...y/Default.aspx

The link doesn't work ?

Kat

[Leanne Weich]

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

LE certainly had suspicions that whoever murdered Michelle had some type of marks on him/her because there was a mighty struggle in that bedroom. If Jason has no such marks, it certainly points the arrow to doubt.

Surely though it is always possible JY had long sleeves on and Michelle may not have been able to reach his face to scratch him. I can see a person putting up a mighty struggle while being pinned on a bed or being on the floor and being kicked and not being able to actually make a mark on the attacker.

When I was married the first time, my husband beat the living daylights out of me and, even when he almost killed me, I did everything I could to avoid his fists and feet but didn't dare hit him back for fear of him escalating any further. I don't know if Jason ever hit Michelle during their marriage but, if he did, maybe she didn't retaliate physically but tried to get away from him. BTW, I'm certainly not saying he did hit her just speculating on reasons why he may not have had marks on him if he in fact killed her.

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

Where did that come from?

Kat

If i recall right my step-son told me this and he was at the funeral.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by Thomas

If i recall right my step-son told me this and he was at the funeral.

And, he saw Jason's hands?

Kat

[Tia]

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

The link doesn't work ?

Kat

Try this.

http://news14.com/content/local_news...y/Default.aspx

[alterEgo©]

Originally Posted by Barbara2

I disagree. I think that LE followed all avenues and possibilities in the beginning. They looked for marks but the absence of marks isn't proof of anything. It could be gloves. It could be that the victim thrashed around trying to get away and therefore there was evidence of a struggle but that doesn't mean she got her hands on him. I just don't see that as ruling him out. IMO

There were other types of marks LE was looking for in the NTIO besides scratches on his hands.

and i didn't say lack of marks ruled him out, I said lack of marks pointed the arrow to doubt.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by Tia

Try this.

http://news14.com/content/local_news...y/Default.aspx

Thank you, much better.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Well kat I guess he did Jason didn't wear gloves to the funeral.

I see.
So, those marks must have been noticed and photographed by L E. at some point.
Is there a link?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

There were other types of marks LE was looking for in the NTIO besides scratches on his hands.

and i didn't say lack of marks ruled him out, I said lack of marks pointed the arrow to doubt.

I would think in a struggle such as the one L E mentioned, that somehow Michelle connected to him.
I always wondered about fingernail scrapings.
You know, we still don't know the weapon.

[alterEgo©]

Originally Posted by Tia

“In North Carolina, parents have a constitutionally protected right to the care, custody, and control of their children,” Nicole Taylor, a family law attorney who is not associated with the Young custody case, said. (...) In Taylor’s expert opinion, the biggest thing working against Jason Young at this point is his failure to respond to the wrongful death lawsuit earlier this month, which resulted in the civil court declaring him his wife's killer. “That, in my opinion, would be enough for the district court judge to find he's acted inconsistent with his parental rights or is obviously unfit to continue custody of the child,” she said.
http://news14.com/content/local_news...y/Default.aspx

§ 7B‑1111. Grounds for terminating parental rights.
(a) The court may terminate the parental rights upon a finding of one or more of the following:
(8) The parent...has committed murder or voluntary manslaughter of the other parent of the child. The petitioner has the burden of proving any of these offenses in the termination of parental rights hearing by (i) proving the elements of the offense or (ii) offering proof that a court of competent jurisdiction has convicted the parent of the offense, whether or not the conviction was by way of a jury verdict or any kind of plea
(b) The burden in such proceedings shall be upon the petitioner or movant to prove the facts justifying such termination by clear and convincing evidence

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedL...hapter_7B.html

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

I see.
So, those marks must have been noticed and photographed by L E. at some point.
Is there a link?

No kat My step-son doesnt work for the News and Observer so there's no link. But I can assure you he didn't make this up him and Jason were friends.

[Tia]

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

§ 7B‑1111. Grounds for terminating parental rights.
(a) The court may terminate the parental rights upon a finding of one or more of the following:
(8) The parent...has committed murder or voluntary manslaughter of the other parent of the child. The petitioner has the burden of proving any of these offenses in the termination of parental rights hearing by (i) proving the elements of the offense or (ii) offering proof that a court of competent jurisdiction has convicted the parent of the offense, whether or not the conviction was by way of a jury verdict or any kind of plea
(b) The burden in such proceedings shall be upon the petitioner or movant to prove the facts justifying such termination by clear and convincing evidence

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedL...hapter_7B.html

I know.

But the reality is, the final decision for Cassidy is going to be based on ONE judge, no jury and the evidence presented at that time. Believe it or not, child custody rulings are very loosely based on the actual statutes. The "best interest of the child" seems to over-ride the statutes in most cases. So I believe the attorney in the article was expressing just that.......that based on Jason's actions, he is not in a good place since he didn't respond to a civil suit. Its all going to depend on the judge's "mood" that day for lack of a better way to explain it. This could be why Jason wanted the COV, he knows this as fact. He may want a judge that he and/or his family have some "connection" to.

We have a specific "magistrates" in my couny to over see custody cases. The first question is always, "who is the magistrate overseeing your case". The attorneys in my county know who is who, and how to deal with them. They know the magistrate, what they respond to, what will help a person get custody, what not to do with that particular judge, etc..........

It is no surpirse to me that Jason would want to be as far away as possible from the Judge who was originally going to oversee his case since Brad Cooper lost in his custody battle.

[Leanne Weich]

Tia, during my years of working, I've known attorneys hold off on filing custody suits until a judge of their choice was rostered in the family court because they knew which types of allegations would play favourably for their client. Also, an attorney who has a good rapport with a judge would rather go before him/her. I'd imagine you've got a good chance of being right that the Young family may have a connection to the judges in Transylvania County.

[Tia]

Originally Posted by Leanne Weich

Tia, during my years of working, I've known attorneys hold off on filing custody suits until a judge of their choice was rostered in the family court because they knew which types of allegations would play favourably for their client. Also, an attorney who has a good rapport with a judge would rather go before him/her. I'd imagine you've got a good chance of being right that the Young family may have a connection to the judges in Transylvania County.

Its sad, but thats the way it seems to work.

The story you posted earlier about your ex.......thats just horrible. I cannot imagine that, but as you stated, I can see just balling up, covering my face, and trying to protect myself.

[alterEgo©]

Yup, one judge. And the ruling made will have very little chance for appeal.

I don't think the judge assigned to the case prompted the COV, Jason and his witnesses are several hours from Raleigh and there is a legitimate convience issue for his witnesses.

And yes, courts hearing custody matters have a very wide berth in application of law on a case by case basis. Because of this, it makes it almost impossible to predict how a judge will rule in one case based on how they ruled in another case. Too many variables.

Brad Cooper's attys were severely outlawyered.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

Yup, one judge. And the ruling made will have very little chance for appeal.

I don't think the judge assigned to the case prompted the COV, Jason and his witnesses are several hours from Raleigh and there is a legitimate convience issue for his witnesses.

And yes, courts hearing custody matters have a very wide berth in application of law on a case by case basis. Because of this, it makes it almost impossible to predict how a judge will rule in one case based on how they ruled in another case. Too many variables.

Brad Cooper's attys were severely outlawyered.

Jason can not catch a break, can he?
If he responds, he has hidden motives or a judge in his pocket.
If he doesn't respond, he doesn't care about his daughter.

Kat

[Tia]

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

Yup, one judge. And the ruling made will have very little chance for appeal.

I don't think the judge assigned to the case prompted the COV, Jason and his witnesses are several hours from Raleigh and there is a legitimate convience issue for his witnesses.

And yes, courts hearing custody matters have a very wide berth in application of law on a case by case basis. Because of this, it makes it almost impossible to predict how a judge will rule in one case based on how they ruled in another case. Too many variables.

Brad Cooper's attys were severely outlawyered.

No, I think Jason's attorney advised the COV, maybe she knew the judge?

And yes, that is a good argument for Jason to ask for the COV. If I were his attorney, I would have done the same thing.

[alterEgo©]

Originally Posted by Tia

No, I think Jason's attorney advised the COV, maybe she knew the judge?

And yes, that is a good argument for Jason to ask for the COV. If I were his attorney, I would have done the same thing.

More than likely a cost issue for paying for the witnesses to travel to Raleigh

[Leanne Weich]

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

More than likely a cost issue for paying for the witnesses to travel to Raleigh

If that's the case, it will be funny if he loses and has to pay the Fisher's costs which will also include travelling costs.

[tarheelfan]

Although I've been here for a while reading posts regarding Michelle's murder, this is my first post. I couldn't refrain from stating my feelings any longer as my anger and confusion is growing by the day.

It was my assumption this board was a place to discuss and analyze the case, but I guess I've been proven wrong. The continued criticism and downright bashing of Linda and Michelle Fisher is beyond my comprehension. They have done nothing to arouse suspicion regarding Michelle's murder. LE has never pointed fingers at them, much less investigated them. They are simply 2 heart broken women who have lost someone dear to them. Thanks to JY, they've had VERY limited contact with the only thing left of Michelle, her precious daughter Cassidy.

They've been criticized for waiting so long to file for custody, even being compared to the Cooper case when in essence the cases are completely different in that respect. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read the NC laws regarding grandparents and custody. They followed the advice of their attorney and waited until they had a chance....ie: Slayer Young.

JY is assumed innocent by some because an arrest hasn't been made. Again, it doesn't take much to research high profile cases in NC's history and find not all of them are quickly solved with an arrest. For heaven's sake, look at Ann Miller whose case was handled by one of Raleigh's finest detectives. It took 4 years to finally get an arrest and conviction. All this continued discussion regarding "time" is frivolous and in no way lessens JY's involvement in the case.

Yes, I think Slayer Young is guilty as sin. I think he premeditated and carried out the horrendous murder of Michelle with extreme brutality. My reasons are numerous, but the blatant ones are.....he was named Slayer in Civil Court, the onging investigation with LE considering him a suspect, his lack of cooperation with LE, the motel photos, the evidence in the SWs, his total insensitivy towards the Fishers regading Cassidy and for Cassidy herself by taking away her Mother's family whom by the way she was extremely close to.....I could go on.

I hope this board can go back to what it was intended to be....a place to discuss this case and share ideas regarding the case and it's evidence. I do enjoy the posts of many here, but will also say there are a few posters here I sincerely wish would find another place to spread their wrath and ignorance.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by confused

Well I don't find anything funny about this whole thing. This win and lose thing sounds like you are talking about a poker game. This is JY's daughter. I have no doubt she is the center of his life. Money shouldn't enter into this. I believe he said for the convience not the cost but I could be wrong. I have looked at all the warrants and emails in the warrants. I think that LE has proved beyond a doubt that JY married MY for the wrong reason and that reason was she was carrying his child. I find that honorable . I don't find any proof that he murdered his wife actually I find a lot in the warrants that say he couldn't have been the one that killed her. I think LE went into this investigation with the mind set that JY and only JY could have done this. There is something that points in another direction or JY would have been arrested many months ago.

I always go back to the word "complicated", that L E used from the very beginning.
What led them to use that word so early in the investigation?

And, what was complicated?
The crime scene?
The alibi(s).?
The evidence ?
The motive?

Kat

[kingbuff]

Seems to me, Tarheelfan, that some posters, as they 'discuss and analyze' the case, do see something suspicious in the behavior of the two heartbroken women you mention. So you think they should copy you and stay mute about their suspicions? Doesn't work that way on this board. What you call 'bashing' they call 'discussing'.

[Hector]

Kat, you don't get it and you never will, because you don't want to. I, like Tarheelfan, have been reading this board from day 1. This is my first post. I too felt compelled to speak out, spurred on by Tarheelfan's fine example. Tarheelfan, I commend you for your clarity and for speaking out against the venom that has been hatefully and unfairly spewed on Mrs. Fisher and Meredith Fisher, who are very tragic victims in this case. Kat, some of the cr*p you have posted about Meredith's appearance is just shameful. There is no justification for being vicious to a murder vistim's sister. And Stellagant, you say Mrs. Fisher reminds you of Virgie Arthur, Anna Nicole Smith's mother. Hmmm, another poster named JustTheFacts, an ardent Jason supporter, said the same thing waaaay back when. Reincarnation, anyone? You guys should feel free to twist the facts any ridiculous way you want to make Jason look innocent (what a joke), just lay off the vicious personal attacks. No matter what, Meredith's physical appearance can have no bearing on who killed Michelle and Baby Rylan. Your opinion regarding Mrs. Fisher can have no bearing on who killed Michelle and Baby Rylan. How about we discuss the case. Kat, feel free to put me on ignore right now, which I will also do with you, because I know you will just be "confused" by what I have to say. Heck

[kingbuff]

In your bashing of Jason, Tarheelfan, you mention his 'insensitivity' regarding Cassie and the Fishers. What you call 'insensitivity' others call common sense. In your analyzing of the case, have you discovered any reason, other than 'insensitivity', for Jason's actions? Just curious if your statement contributes to discussion and analyzing of the events surrounding the murder.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by kingbuff

In your bashing of Jason, Tarheelfan, you mention his 'insensitivity' regarding Cassie and the Fishers. What you call 'insensitivity' others call common sense. In your analyzing of the case, have you discovered any reason, other than 'insensitivity', for Jason's actions? Just curious if your statement contributes to discussion and analyzing of the events surrounding the murder.

Well, KIngbuff , it's like this.
We are supposed to forget about the allegations of some trust fund, we are supposed to think it is normal to walk into a horrific, brutal, murder scene and not know it, we are supposed to think nothing out of the ordinary of the 911 call!!
Oh, and the keys?
Nahh, nothing.........just simply misplaced on the hood of Michelle's car , oh, but then, they needed to be explained in a s/w.
"All persons close to Michelle are being looked at"
When L E says that phrase is no longer true, and there has been an arrest, then we won't look.

Kat

[kingbuff]

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

I always go back to the word "complicated", that L E used from the very beginning.
What led them to use that word so early in the investigation?

And, what was complicated?
The crime scene?
The alibi(s).?
The evidence ?
The motive?

Kat

I've never understood the sheriff's comment, either. Perhaps he was referring to the careless crime scene investigation? Don't know. Perhaps he was referring to the extra tooth Jason's sister found? Don't know, but that extra tooth must present problems for the police and DA. Don't you think?

[Hector]

Originally Posted by confused

I,ve read all morning and I don't see anything about MF's physical appearance. Where did you read that? CW says to discuss the post not the posters and in your first post you have named 3 posters.

I never said it was today. I said it has been going on for a long time and I finally decided to stand up and say something. If you've been paying attention (and I know I've seen your posts many, many times) you have seen exactly what I am talking about. Quite frankly, the comments about physical appearance have been the least of the vitriol that has been hurled Mrs. Fisher and Meredith Fisher's way. It is disgusting.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by Tia

It looks like he was banned. I am hoping he shows up somewhere else so I can find out more about the finger cuts!!

I think he said something about cuts on the hand too, I want to know too.!!
I hate it when someone just vanishes into thin air when they hold precious info like that. I mean, this could be big, huge even.
Like that prediction of an sure arrest back on 3-31-07.

Kat