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Good_Gawd · #1 01-19-2009, 09:18 AM

Autopsy Reports:

Two Copper-coated bullets are found.
One in each man.
Both Copper-coated bullets found in the arm wounds of each man.

http://www.firearmsid.com/Bullets/bullet1.htm

Good_Gawd · #2 01-19-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gmr32

Oh yeah. Let's read it people. 2 shooters.

Yeppers. ITA!

muska · #3 01-19-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mina

I think I finally found the links to the autopsy reports:

http://www.november2008stjohnsdouble...eroautopsy.pdf
http://www.november2008stjohnsdouble...ansautopsy.pdf

Great find!! If you don't see the report right away, you might just have to scroll down a little. At first I thought I wasn't going to be able to see it.

FurthurBB · #4 01-19-2009, 09:59 AM

This makes me really want to know what kind of bullets were in that box. Are they .17s or are they various .22s? If there are not various .22s then the state has a serious problem. IMO

FurthurBB · #5 01-19-2009, 10:19 AM

What is up with Tim he had both atherosclerosis and CPOD. That is very odd for a person of only 35. He must have smoked like 3 packs a day and eaten every bad thing known to man. IMO

Good_Gawd · #6 01-19-2009, 10:35 AM

WELL! I was over on the other thread wondering why nobody was talking to me. Thanks for the Heads up guys!

Good_Gawd · #7 01-19-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by FurthurBB

What is up with Tim he had both atherosclerosis and CPOD. That is very odd for a person of only 35. He must have smoked like 3 packs a day and eaten every bad thing known to man. IMO

39 I think. Still too young. IMO

mrrogers · #8 01-20-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Good_Gawd

39 I think. Still too young. IMO

with all that going on he sounded like a walking time bomb

Good_Gawd · #9 01-19-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by iamithink

could be from smoking drugs???

Stupid for someone with CPOD to smoke anything.

muska · #10 01-19-2009, 11:59 AM

More info on gun/shell/shell casing identification....mentions the copper coated bullets. Go to the page tiltled caliber to see a picture of all possible .22 caliber bullets.

http://www.firearmsid.com/Bullets/bullet1.htm

Good_Gawd · #11 01-19-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by muska

More info on gun/shell/shell casing identification....mentions the copper coated bullets. Go to the page tiltled caliber to see a picture of all possible .22 caliber bullets.

http://www.firearmsid.com/Bullets/bullet1.htm

We need to send Mayberry LE there.

Good_Gawd · #12 01-19-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by minnesotamom

just curious was tim's daughters his bio children? the guy sounds like he had a shady past and was wondering? i really don't want to question the deceased since they can't defend themselves. i am so surprised even though it it in his past that vince would have a man like that in and around his only son. i am curious though who did the little boy have a better friendship with tiffany or tim? i do hope and pray that brewer/wood get this boy out of there real soon.

You just quoted part of CA v Giles. Awesome.

Anyway,
I think they are his. He was a heck of a white boy to be living on and buried at an Indian reservation. I Know Tanya is an Indian. Maybe she went on the war path.

Good_Gawd · #13 01-19-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by iamithink

granted, but he did smoke cigs

Two different name brands.

Crispy · #14 01-19-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by iamithink

the 2 men had layered clothing it seems and jackets. did the boy have on a jacket at any time that day or evening??

I haven't seen anything where they mentioned him wearing a jacket.

mrrogers · #15 01-20-2009, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by minnesotamom

just curious was tim's daughters his bio children? the guy sounds like he had a shady past and was wondering? i really don't want to question the deceased since they can't defend themselves. i am so surprised even though it it in his past that vince would have a man like that in and around his only son. i am curious though who did the little boy have a better friendship with tiffany or tim? i do hope and pray that brewer/wood get this boy out of there real soon.

i RAN HIS name thru the az law system there s no record for drugs just a few speeding etc

mrrogers · #16 01-20-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FurthurBB

What is up with Tim he had both atherosclerosis and CPOD. That is very odd for a person of only 35. He must have smoked like 3 packs a day and eaten every bad thing known to man. IMO

with the problems he had i doubt he had more than another 5 years

Perplexed1 · #17 01-20-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mrrogers

with the problems he had i doubt he had more than another 5 years

Indians aren't the healthiest people. My dad died early, as well as his dad. We had many birth defects in our Indian family. Too much in-breeding? Plus unhealthy habits. IMO

Jacobtk · #18 01-19-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FurthurBB

This makes me really want to know what kind of bullets were in that box. Are they .17s or are they various .22s? If there are not various .22s then the state has a serious problem. IMO

From the picture of the box it looks like all the bullets are the same. There is one round that is somewhat clear at the top corner of the lower right of the boy. It looks like a .22 LR (the top of the round looks like the the flatten top of a .22 LR). The other visible rounds seem to look the same.

I think this is probably why the state released an incomplete, apparently edited report to the media. The finding of different types of .22 caliber rounds not only means that there were two shooters, but it undermines the state's case that the boy planned the shootings. Even if the boy was involved, the state would have a very hard time proving that he shot both men without being manipulated, coerced or threatened.

Details · #19 01-19-2009, 01:23 PM

The fact they found no .22 bullets says quite something too. Where do they propose the boy got his bullets?

Reading the autopsy, the one thing I'd want to be sure of is that they really are different bullets - not that they just simply omitted the word Copper now and again. But two shooters really fits a lot better, especially with the shots from both upstairs and down on the father.

Crispy · #20 01-19-2009, 01:41 PM

For some reason it bugs me, that for Romans, all but one shot was in a right to left direction. I'm not sure yet why it bugs me or why it stood out to me.

Good_Gawd · #21 01-19-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by January

So they have this information which they should have had within weeks of the shooting, and still this boy is sitting in jail.

Unless the killer had a mix of bullets, we don't know. LE said there were no .22 bullets in the house besides the .17 bullets they took. Good Gawd that is funny.

Autopsy seems to point to two guns and two shooters. imo

I still think the child is NO THREAT and should be released.

Good_Gawd · #22 01-19-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Donuts

You are not alone with those feelings.

Nope.

Cherishlove · #23 01-19-2009, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by minnesotamom

the more i try to put the pieces of the puzzle together the top two suspects are women. there are a few others, but the top two are spouses of the deceased. i just can't shake that feeling.

Well one was cheated on and the other out partying shortly afterward, makes most people wonder. I just have a really hard time with what they have done to the little boy. The so called confession was a joke, and a terrible thing they did to that little boy.

muska · #24 01-19-2009, 11:27 AM

Here's a short article that give a little info about the types of ballistics' evidence that can be created at a crime scene:

http://www.rock-hill.k12.sc.us/teach...ballistics.htm

Good_Gawd · #25 01-19-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by muska

Here's a short article that give a little info about the types of ballistics' evidence that can be created at a crime scene:

http://www.rock-hill.k12.sc.us/teach...ballistics.htm

The gun found by Vincent Price's body wasn't the murder weapon. Clear as day.

Good_Gawd · #26 01-19-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by iamithink

what happened to the other thread? I thought I got blocked for some reason.

I don't know. I thought nobody was talking to me.

#27 01-20-2009, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by minnesotamom

the more i try to put the pieces of the puzzle together the top two suspects are women. there are a few others, but the top two are spouses of the deceased. i just can't shake that feeling.

Wonder how much insurance money that adds up to?

mrrogers · #28 01-20-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Good_Gawd

Autopsy Reports:

Two Copper-coated bullets are found.
One in each man.
Both Copper-coated bullets found in the arm wounds of each man.

http://www.firearmsid.com/Bullets/bullet1.htm

this could be a breakthrough as the bullet in the gun was not copper coated
copper coated 22s arent that common but then to they could have used them then put a different one in the gun to throw everyone off
we are not dealing with fools instead put all the stuff together the head shots the lung shot the heart shot dont seem very randomly placed and i dont think c could do that good with a moving target