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bkwits · #1 01-15-2009, 11:37 AM

Starting new thread. Come on over.

GentleBreeze · #2 01-15-2009, 11:43 AM

I am bringing my post over from the other thread.

01-15-2009, 10:33 AM
GentleBreeze
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HotNostril
Yes, it is. It's also consistent with where they found the boys gun. The boys gun was the murder weapon.

Reply:

Yes, I also think this boy's gun was the murder weapon.

Also I think many are giving the two dead victims way too much credit on their supposedly abilities that day.

While we would like to believe that we would be fully prepared in case of a violent attack upon us from right out of the blue many times that is not the case.]

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com...reparation.htm

This massively complex cocktail of factors is collectively known as the adrenal stress response.

We change in a crisis -- and not always for the better. Our physical and mental acuity are greatly reduced and we are functioning in a very primitive and raw state.

Not only is functioning more difficult, but our perceptions are altered. That is to say our internal 'reality' may not be an accurate reflection of the external 'actuality.' Unfortunately, in this condition what we are going to be reacting to is our internal reality.

The adrenal response can easily create two totally different problems. One is that it renders you incapable of action. Two is it causes you to go berserk on someone ... neither is good.

imo
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Good_Gawd · #3 01-15-2009, 11:51 AM

Well you two posters can think it was the murder weapon all you want. I'll believe it when the further testing comes back. If in fact they ever get what they want from that testing. LOL

JD1974 · #4 01-15-2009, 11:53 AM

Wonder how many times they will have to test it before then?? Second opinion, 3rd, 4th?

Good_Gawd · #5 01-15-2009, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD1974

Wonder how many times they will have to test it before then?? Second opinion, 3rd, 4th?

Until someone will say it was the murder weapon. moo

wolfi_2 · #6 01-15-2009, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mzmarymac

Good morning folks! I am here in sunny Chicago-so what if it IS 14 below zero and negative 30 with the wind chill! LOL! My kids are home from school today and I am "working from home."

Anyone know where Justice Dawg has been? Haven't seen her post in quite some time and miss her!

Also-anyone know if there has been a ruling from the appeals court on dropping the 1st charge?

I'm still praying for this little guy. He didn't do this!

Only a new entry from the 13th January, but I don't know what it mean's

http://www.cofad1.state.az.us/casefiles/sa/sa080294.pdf

JD1974 · #7 01-15-2009, 12:12 PM

iamithink that is a really good question. Could be Tim was walking back from a white car and was shot....

Also hopefully someone did take samples from every blood spot outside.

Good_Gawd · #8 01-15-2009, 12:13 PM

I read on that Apache site yesterday that the defense asked if the Grandmother (Liz?) could visit the child everyday while his mother is away. Did the judge OK that?

suzanne · #9 01-15-2009, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mzmarymac

Good morning folks! I am here in sunny Chicago-so what if it IS 14 below zero and negative 30 with the wind chill! LOL! My kids are home from school today and I am "working from home."

Anyone know where Justice Dawg has been? Haven't seen her post in quite some time and miss her!

Also-anyone know if there has been a ruling from the appeals court on dropping the 1st charge?

I'm still praying for this little guy. He didn't do this!

I miss Justice Dawg too.I'm still praying for this little guy too.

mina · #10 01-15-2009, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mzmarymac

Good morning folks! I am here in sunny Chicago-so what if it IS 14 below zero and negative 30 with the wind chill! LOL! My kids are home from school today and I am "working from home."

I'm up in Madison, WI, so I'm shivering along with you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mzmarymac

Thanks for that Wolfi! I think it just means they are considering the petition at this time but have not ruled on it yet.

What is to consider? The judge doesn't want to rule on it unless he has determined competency. If the boy is deemed incompetent on one charge, he should be incompetent on the other, right?

This prosecutor is so overreaching here it makes me sick to my stomach. Basically, they just want insurance to try the kid on one of the charges when he is older.

What's with all these wimpy judges being too afraid to make a decision (while a little boy sits in jail)?

FurthurBB · #11 01-15-2009, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GentleBreeze

I am bringing my post over from the other thread.

01-15-2009, 10:33 AM
GentleBreeze
Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Nestled In Southern Hospitality
Posts: 9,984

Quote:
Originally Posted by HotNostril
Yes, it is. It's also consistent with where they found the boys gun. The boys gun was the murder weapon.

Reply:

Yes, I also think this boy's gun was the murder weapon.

Also I think many are giving the two dead victims way too much credit on their supposedly abilities that day.

While we would like to believe that we would be fully prepared in case of a violent attack upon us from right out of the blue many times that is not the case.]

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com...reparation.htm

This massively complex cocktail of factors is collectively known as the adrenal stress response.

We change in a crisis -- and not always for the better. Our physical and mental acuity are greatly reduced and we are functioning in a very primitive and raw state.

Not only is functioning more difficult, but our perceptions are altered. That is to say our internal 'reality' may not be an accurate reflection of the external 'actuality.' Unfortunately, in this condition what we are going to be reacting to is our internal reality.

The adrenal response can easily create two totally different problems. One is that it renders you incapable of action. Two is it causes you to go berserk on someone ... neither is good.

imo
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I am glad that you did because I do not agree with all this site is saying and I am a biologist. In a flight or fight response your brain function is not at all lacking, just your digestive and excretory systems. Sometimes people cannot think logically because of panic, but, many people can think much more clearly. It is good to write that it may happen on a self defense site, but, relying on the site alone gives the wrong impression of the actual physical changes that happen. IMO

#12 01-15-2009, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Details

And two shots to the chest in almost the same location - how does that happen with a single shot? The guy stays standing and waits while you reload? No matter how fast you are - that just doesn't fit!

I brought this post over from the other thread. I think this is an extremely compelling argument.

We are supposed to believe that the first shot incapacitated VR so that he could not overpower the boy and take away the gun...yet he remained upright while the child reloaded and shot him one more time???

You can't have it both ways IMO.

Details · #13 01-15-2009, 02:13 PM

Tim was shot in the chest, not VR.

And the killer likely took a few seconds between some shots - as when he's lining up the shot he wants to take - and of course, fast shots when someone is coming at him and he wants to take them down.

suzanne · #14 01-15-2009, 02:31 PM

well.I keep this little boy in my prayers and I pray the therapist is his friend and helps him and doesn't hurt him in any way.

#15 01-15-2009, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Details

Tim was shot in the chest, not VR.

And the killer likely took a few seconds between some shots - as when he's lining up the shot he wants to take - and of course, fast shots when someone is coming at him and he wants to take them down.

Whoops, my mistake. I hope I didn't confuse too many people by swapping victim's wounds.

GentleBreeze · #16 01-15-2009, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kara

I brought this post over from the other thread. I think this is an extremely compelling argument.

We are supposed to believe that the first shot incapacitated VR so that he could not overpower the boy and take away the gun...yet he remained upright while the child reloaded and shot him one more time???

You can't have it both ways IMO.

How do we know the exact position of the victim when they were shot or even where the shooter stood when they fired each time?

As far as I am aware the trajectory data has not been released to the media.

The ME stated that two of the shots fired at VR came from below him when he was up on the stairs. Imo those shots were to his elbow and his back. I don't think it would be feasible that Romero would then turn around to face or confront the shooter knowing he would be shot again, this time frontally. Romero had no weapon. The shooter did.

imoo

ExPI · #17 01-15-2009, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Gentlebreeze sid:
The ME stated that two of the shots fired at VR came from below him when he was up on the stairs.

Do you have a link to the ME's statement? I thought VR was shot in the left bicep and ribs, front to back; two head shots; and a back wound through the right shoulder blade and downward into the abdomen.

GentleBreeze · #18 01-15-2009, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExPI

Do you have a link to the ME's statement? I thought VR was shot in the left bicep and ribs, front to back; two head shots; and a back wound through the right shoulder blade and downward into the abdomen.

Here ya go.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/no...VprKFwW0A.cspx

Pima County Pathologist Cynthia Porterfield wrote “Examination of the entrance wound reveals no evidence of close range firing” for three of Romero’s gunshot wounds and five of Roman’s gunshot wounds.

This also shows that one close up shot was fired into each victim.

ExPI · #19 01-15-2009, 03:09 PM

Thanks, Gentlebreeze. I see we again have a problem with the police report. I was reading the Guinn report that Iamithink has kindly posted. This case is a total mess!

Details · #20 01-15-2009, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamithink

He may have been shot first in the left arm as he was going up stairs, then he may have turned with his right shoulder was facing the top of the stairs, then he was shot in the right shoulder blade which desended down towards the chest and ending towards the abdomin. Then shot in the head which did him in and he collapsed face down.

It would take two shooters to do that.

It would take something faster than a singleshot to do that.

Good_Gawd · #21 01-15-2009, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamithink

Yes, I agree. I also believe there had to be more than one shooter. The boy said he saw someone go into the house when he saw the white car.

Those men could have been being shot at the same time.
That would explain the timeline.

muska · #22 01-15-2009, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Details

It would take something faster than a singleshot to do that.

Does an automatic weapon like the Mossberg always shoot fast or can the shooter use it to shoot slowly as in indiviual timed shots? I read that the Mossberg can "if desired be used as a single shot weapon,"but I don't know exactly what that means. I am just wondering if the Mossberg could have made timed popping noises or not.