Jan 12 - Jan. 18

[Lindsey]

This looks like a good time to start a new thread and a good post to bring over from the old thread to start it.

Originally Posted by achristie
The reason it is easy to conclude that JY is guilty is, for me, based on the evidence as we know it thus far. I will agree that the evidence is sparse, yet it all leads back to him. This board and it's discussion has everything to do with semantics, spin and parsing. That may apply to you or it may not. We all like to read and analyze each and every detail and nuance. You are no different in that respect. I believe the reason he has not been arrested is possibly due to poor police work in the beginning. I don't believe, as perhaps you do, that it points to anyone else being the murderer. The concern I have is that JY may just get away with murder. May satisfy his supporters but certainly leaves me unsettled. Just sayin' MOO Aggie

Originally Posted by Silsbee

I disagree with your assessment that the discussion on this board is only about spin, etc. I think my posts speak for themselves. I have always been respectful when posting on this board and others.

I understand why people believe he is guilty. I am open and willing to discuss other possibilities - that does not change the fact that Jason is the main suspect. If the reason he has not been arrested is due to poor police work then justice for Michelle and Rylan may never come and that would truly be a tragedy.

Sils

[annalyzer]

Hi Lindsey! Thanks for starting the new thread. I am so looking forward to the custody hearing and finding out what Jason is going to do. It's in Feb right?

[alterEgo©]

orginally posted by achristie

As for the blood in the shower? It was reported early on by an insider that there were blood swipes on all three walls of the shower in the master bath. We heard this early on , long before it was released via a search warrant.

which search warrant described blood swipes on all 3 walls of the shower in the master bath?

[achristie]

Originally Posted by Lindsey

This looks like a good time to start a new thread and a good post to bring over from the old thread to start it.

Please note that the highlighted areas were not highlighted by the author in her original post.

Thanks, Achristie

[cg007]

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

which search warrant described blood swipes on all 3 walls of the shower in the master bath?

I remember this also. We all thought it was strange that the murderer took some time to take a shower when they were done. Do some research alterego...you were participating in the discussion. I believe you also know where to find the fact that they removed a shower tile.........jmo

[alterEgo©]

Originally Posted by cg007

I remember this also. We all thought it was strange that the murderer took some time to take a shower when they were done. Do some research alterego...you were participating in the discussion. I believe you also know where to find the fact that they removed a shower tile.........jmo

Again I ask, which search warrant described blood swipes on all 3 walls of the shower in the master bath?

[Tia]

Originally Posted by annalyzer

Hi Lindsey! Thanks for starting the new thread. I am so looking forward to the custody hearing and finding out what Jason is going to do. It's in Feb right?

Do you think he will show up?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by cg007

I remember this also. We all thought it was strange that the murderer took some time to take a shower when they were done. Do some research alterego...you were participating in the discussion. I believe you also know where to find the fact that they removed a shower tile.........jmo

Where does it say this at?

I never heard of a shower tile being removed either.
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by Tia

Do you think he will show up?

I do, I think he will come forward....for C's sake.

If he doesn't, then he is going to have one less defender.
At least, in that matter.


Kat

[Tia]

Originally Posted by cg007

I remember this also. We all thought it was strange that the murderer took some time to take a shower when they were done. Do some research alterego...you were participating in the discussion. I believe you also know where to find the fact that they removed a shower tile.........jmo

IIRC, I think the retired teacher posted that information.

[Lindsey]

Originally Posted by annalyzer

Hi Lindsey! Thanks for starting the new thread. I am so looking forward to the custody hearing and finding out what Jason is going to do. It's in Feb right?

Hey Anna! Yes, it will be the beginning of Feb ... the 4th I think. I'm really interested too. Surely he won't just let this slide by the same way as the WD suit?

[Lindsey]

Originally Posted by achristie

Please note that the highlighted areas were not highlighted by the author in her original post.

Thanks, Achristie

I'm sorry I didn't note that the bolded part of your post was bolded by Silsbee to indicate (what I understood to be) the main thing Silsbee was responding to. I apologize.

[JD1974]

Originally Posted by Lindsey

Hey Anna! Yes, it will be the beginning of Feb ... the 4th I think. I'm really interested too. Surely he won't just let this slide by the same way as the WD suit?

If he lets this custody suit slide then I no longer will be able to say he may not have done it. The WD suit, Cassidy recieved the money, so I can write that off. No way can you write off someone not fighting for their child.

[Lindsey]

Originally Posted by cg007

I remember this also. We all thought it was strange that the murderer took some time to take a shower when they were done. Do some research alterego...you were participating in the discussion. I believe you also know where to find the fact that they removed a shower tile.........jmo

I didn't know a shower tile was removed. Where can I find this fact? TIA

[JD1974]

Originally Posted by Lindsey

I didn't know a shower tile was removed. Where can I find this fact? TIA

I remember the discussion of blood in the shower. I also remember they had to go back and mesaure bloody footprints IIRC in the bathroom. I don't remember them removing a tile from the shower though?

[Lindsey]

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

Where does it say this at?

I never heard of a shower tile being removed either.
Kat

Hey Kat, news to me too about the tile. I thought I had missed it during the months I wasn't posting but if you haven't heard it either I don't feel so bad. I wonder if it's true.

[alterEgo©]

Originally Posted by Tia

Do you think he will show up?

What will be interesting is if responds by next Tues or not. If he doesn't then it will be re-do of the WDS in that a default judgement will be sought and granted.

[Lindsey]

Originally Posted by DesertDreams

Achristie: On the other thread which is continued here, you had asked me to expound on the issue of the victim's fingernail scrapings. What I meant was she certainly must have had someone's skin under her nails as she fought. If it was JY, it would have been an easy case to solve. I think that the person who committed this crime was not someone who's DNA LE could identify. If it was JY's dna, they would have had him immediately.

Good point. However if she did scratch herself trying to remove someone's hand from her throat, her DNA will be under her nails. I need to go back and read what was said about that so many months/years ago. Was it from the AR that we got that info?

[alterEgo©]

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

Where does it say this at?

I never heard of a shower tile being removed either.
Kat

Me either, or a SW detailing blood in the shower.

[alterEgo©]

Originally Posted by Lindsey

Good point. However if she did scratch herself trying to remove someone's hand from her throat, her DNA will be under her nails. I need to go back and read what was said about that so many months/years ago. Was it from the AR that we got that info?

Yes, the AR detailed linear scratches on her neck as those that would be made by fingernails.

[Lindsey]

Originally Posted by JD1974

If he lets this custody suit slide then I no longer will be able to say he may not have done it. The WD suit, Cassidy recieved the money, so I can write that off. No way can you write off someone not fighting for their child.

I agree. I cannot imagine not fighting for your child. There might be good reasons but I surely can't think of any.

[alterEgo©]

Originally Posted by Lindsey

I agree. I cannot imagine not fighting for your child. There might be good reasons but I surely can't think of any.

Because if he fights it and says anything that remotely contradicts the evidence, they'll nail him with an indictment.

[Lindsey]

I hate to leave a good discussion but my break is almost over. I checked the media sites before starting to post but didn't see anything new today. Maybe later.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by Lindsey

I agree. I cannot imagine not fighting for your child. There might be good reasons but I surely can't think of any.

Me either, and I think this is one thing we are all in agreement with.

This is not about Jason now, this becomes all about C.

"Jason, you get down there and you fight for your daughter, or she will always wonder why you didn't."

Plus, I can still defend you.....which is not alway easy..


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

Because if he fights it and says anything that remotely contradicts the evidence, they'll nail him with an indictment.

Well, then that is the way it will play out.
Because, there won't be any excuses this time.

Kat

[Tia]

Originally Posted by DesertDreams

Well, after thinking about this case over and over for many months, IMHO, and if anybody wants it, I think this murder was committed by a husband/boyfriend of a woman JY was seeing. It fits all the criteria. I know my fellow posters are thinking why wouldn't the husband/boyfriend go after JY, but it has been documented throughout history that sometimes the person who was cheated on thinks it much more painful to kill the loved ones of the person who caused him such pain and let him live to deal with the aftermath of what he did. JMO, but I've seen it happen before.

That theory would be much more believable if Jason did even one tiny thing to assist LE in the investigation.

[JHP]

Originally Posted by DesertDreams

Think about it. Let me know what you guys think.

It is an interesting theory, but then I come back to all of the things that IMO point to Jason.
I would love to think it was someone other then Jason who killed Michelle.
As far as the fingernails. If the Murderer had on long sleeves and gloves maybe Michelle didn't get anyone elses skin other then hers under her nails.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by DesertDreams

Achristie: On the other thread which is continued here, you had asked me to expound on the issue of the victim's fingernail scrapings. What I meant was she certainly must have had someone's skin under her nails as she fought. If it was JY, it would have been an easy case to solve. I think that the person who committed this crime was not someone who's DNA LE could identify. If it was JY's dna, they would have had him immediately.

Good point, DD...

That would have been a sure thing to bring about an arrest of Jason.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by JD1974

If he lets this custody suit slide then I no longer will be able to say he may not have done it. The WD suit, Cassidy recieved the money, so I can write that off. No way can you write off someone not fighting for their child.

Hi JD,
Looks like we are all bailing on Jason for this one.!!

I think he will come through though.

Come on, Jason, step up.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by alterEgo©

Me either, or a SW detailing blood in the shower.

Well, let's see if someone can come up with a link.

Kat

[JD1974]

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

Hi JD,
Looks like we are all bailing on Jason for this one.!!

I think he will come through though.

Come on, Jason, step up.

Kat

I know I will if he doesn't at least respond. Get it postponed. I would try to get it away from that judge asap.

[Tia]

Originally Posted by DesertDreams

TIA, it is believable if you put yourself in JY's shoes in this possible scenario and he knows he is guilty by his deeds that caused the murder of MY and the baby. Not everyone is courageous enough to step forward and say hey, you know what I f***ed up but I never knew it would come to this. Some people just get scared and back away.

Its just that he has never acted like he cared much either way about Michelle and Rylan. Everyone knows he had an affair with MM, so what would make him afraid to talk now? There isn't much more he can do, IMO, to make himself look any worse.

Also, if he had anyone to blame, don't you think he'd be screaming it? Or his lawyer would?

[JD1974]

Originally Posted by JHP

It is an interesting theory, but then I come back to all of the things that IMO point to Jason.
I would love to think it was someone other then Jason who killed Michelle.
As far as the fingernails. If the Murderer had on long sleeves and gloves maybe Michelle didn't get anyone elses skin other then hers under her nails.

JMO

I have never been attacked, so I cannot say for certain what I would do but most mug shots I have seen of perps where the victim fought back had marks on their face, neck area. I would think I would go for the eyes or between the legs to disable him (if it is a guy of course) but I guess shock has to be a factor also.

[JD1974]

Originally Posted by Tia

Its just that he has never acted like he cared much either way about Michelle and Rylan. Everyone knows he had an affair with MM, so what would make him afraid to talk now? There isn't much more he can do, IMO, to make himself look any worse.

Also, if he had anyone to blame, don't you think he'd be screaming it? Or his lawyer would?

Good point but what if he doesn't know who did it? An affair with MM and who knows how many others? Plus if LE thought he did it from the start would they have believed him anyway?

[JHP]

Originally Posted by DesertDreams

JHP, with all due respect, whether the murderer was wearing long sleeves, gloves, etc., she would have scratched his face, neck, eyes, pulled hair, anything she could have gotten hold of . I just don't think the person who did this was anyone whom law enforcement had dna on. UNLESS they botched it, which is always a possiblity.

I am thinking Michelle was sound asleep when she was attacked. My thinking is if she was overtaken then, she might not have been able to fight back much except to try and pull the hands off her neck.

I hope LE didn't botch this one. Sometimes these things take a long time.

[JHP]

Originally Posted by JD1974

Good point but what if he doesn't know who did it? An affair with MM and who knows how many others? Plus if LE thought he did it from the start would they have believed him anyway?

Something was mentioned in the custody lawsuit about someone other then MM in the month before Michelle died.
I really hope Jason answers this lawsuit because we might get some answers then.

JMO

[JD1974]

Originally Posted by DesertDreams

JHP, I totally believe she was attacked unawares but the crime scene indicated she woke up and fought very hard. The room was in total disarray and tended to indicate a very hard fight. Therefore I think there must have had to be DNA. RIP Michelle.

It is so hard to think of what that poor woman went through before she died. If Jason did this I really hope they can prove it. That's what bothers me about comments for LE they say they cannot release the reason he hasn't been arrested because it would compromise the case? How? Obviously if he did it he knows what they are hung up on because it had to be something he did purposely to cover up for himself. They can't place him at the scene at the time of the murder, I honestly can't think of anything else, if that is the case, then that is huge. Can anyone else think of something else that would fit in with LE's comments about it? It can't be dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's, there is something that is big that is holding up an arrest....something that they know will be reasonable doubt, or else why not go with what they have?

[jerry50]

Originally Posted by DesertDreams

From all accounts JY is reputed to have a narcissistic personality. Therefore, I don't think he would have stepped up and said "oh, yeah, it might have been so and so or so and so who I've been seeing". He wants to maintain a good reputation. I am not saying the affair with MM had anything to do with this. I am suggesting that since history tends to repeat itself there may have been more than one of the MM type flings and someone's husband or boyfriend may have freaked out. This is just my opinion. If this is not the case my apologies, but in a case like this, everything needs to be looked at. Remember this was a huge rage crime. Not the standard case for a guy who just wants to pretend the unborn child and wife never happened. This was vicious. Not the standard type of murder for a guy who just wants out of his marriage with his pregnant wife. There are easier ways out.

If JY was worried about his reputation he would have done things differently from the start. He has lost most if not all of his friends because of his silence and their opinions he is guilty. If he cared he would not have let the WDS pass without a response from his lawyer. It is quite easy to delay interviews so it should not have been a problem to answer the WDS for the truly innocent. There has been no public outcry from him that he has been named the slayer of his wife and unborn son.
I have followed about every true crime case since Ed Gein that has been in the news. The rage at this scene did not come from an angry spouse. If JY had been the victim I would say otherwise.

The case has all the markings of a spousal murder. There were many reasons for the rage from a person who did not want to be bothered with a divorced spouse, child care payments for 2 children and a tarnished image among his friends for dumping his wife for her best friend.
He stood to be the recipient of a $1 million dollar life insurance payout.
He hated his wife so much that he had a sexual relationship with her best friend. He stood to gain more from her death than any other person.

[jerry50]

Originally Posted by DesertDreams

You might be surprised to learn about what a scorned lover can do. There was a case that I know of several years ago wherein a married female school principal had an affair with a much younger male teacher who was also married. The principal's husband found out about the affair and broke into the home of the principal's lover. He killed not only his wife's lover, but the other man's wife and their young child. I guess in his twisted logic, he let his own wife live so she could suffer the consequences of her behavior. It happens, sadly enough.

I have no problem with a scorned lover, check out Michelle and Steve Andrews of Fort Meyers.
I just don't see it fitting this case. JY was seen on video leaving his room at the hotel. A car fitting his car's description was seen at his home shortly after the murder occured, all the while he claims to be at the hotal. His clothes caught on tape that night cannot be accounted for. His silence. His lack of integrity and character by screwing his wife's best friend and then he wants us to believe that he was searching Ebay for his wife's anniversary gift. Leaving a piece of paper on his desk that he calls someone to pick up and when that person is in the home cooincidentally finds a bludgeoned corpse.Here he worries that MIchelle might have a surprise spoiled but has no interest in finding her killer. Something is wrong with this picture.

[5swab5]

Originally Posted by DesertDreams

Well, after thinking about this case over and over for many months, IMHO, and if anybody wants it, I think this murder was committed by a husband/boyfriend of a woman JY was seeing. It fits all the criteria. I know my fellow posters are thinking why wouldn't the husband/boyfriend go after JY, but it has been documented throughout history that sometimes the person who was cheated on thinks it much more painful to kill the loved ones of the person who caused him such pain and let him live to deal with the aftermath of what he did. JMO, but I've seen it happen before.

How nice of this phantom "husband/boyfriend" of one of Jason's lovers to leave Jason's daughter and dog unharmed.

Not to mention, even taking a shower before he left...so he wouldn't track blood all over Jason's carpet. Pffffft!

MOO