Friday, 1/9/09

[Politigal]

TGIF folks!

On the infamous call made to the courthouse that Friday morning....why is it that Gricar didn't ask if anyone was looking for him, or if he had any messages?

Originally Posted by Politigal

TGIF folks!

On the infamous call made to the courthouse that Friday morning....why is it that Gricar didn't ask if anyone was looking for him, or if he had any messages?

Good question, Pgal. If this was a "spur of the moment" absence, one that supposedly needed an email out to the rest of the staff to alert them, one might think either RG might ask or PF might volunteer something about what was transpiring at the office that morning.

Other questions we've considered before:

• Why no mention by either regarding when RG might return home?
  
• Why no mention by either regarding dinner plans, Gamble Mill or otherwise?

Perhaps it was normal for PF and RG to have such short conversations with so little information exchanged, but IMHO many or most couples would at least touch on one or both of the above questions in such a situation.

Last, why was the phone found turned off when RG apparently prided himself on being "reachable" by his staff?

[gstickley]

Originally Posted by Politigal

TGIF folks!

On the infamous call made to the courthouse that Friday morning....why is it that Gricar didn't ask if anyone was looking for him, or if he had any messages?

I worked in the same office for 30+ years, with several different "supervisors". Every time one would take regular days off, be on another assignment, or be on vacation, each & every supervisor would call in to "see if anyone was looking for him or if he had any messages" or to see what was going on that he thought he should know about. I can't imagine Mr. Gricar not asking any of those questions, as he was supposed to be off work on Fri. morning (or off the whole day, depending on the story) & was taking the afternoon off too. I can't imagine him not asking if anything might have come up thus far that morning in case he needed to change his plans & go on to work, since MS was gone.

[Politigal]

The State is now investigating ADA Lance Marshall

http://www.centredaily.com/news/loca...y/1050646.html

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally Posted by Politigal

TGIF folks!

On the infamous call made to the courthouse that Friday morning....why is it that Gricar didn't ask if anyone was looking for him, or if he had any messages?

He had voice mail and could respond to anything urgent. Why don't I return my phone messages immediately? Because sometimes they are not urgent.

I know they've never told the public this, but I wonder if LE has ever determined at what point during the day RG's phone was turned off. Directly after the 11:19-ish phone call? Between 5-6 when the Mini apparently arrived in the SOS lot? At some other point? It would be helpful to know.

And of course, one can't know that voice mails have come in--and can't know whether they are urgent or not--when the phone is turned off.

[gstickley]

Originally Posted by UndertheRadar

I know they've never told the public this, but I wonder if LE has ever determined at what point during the day RG's phone was turned off. Directly after the 11:19-ish phone call? Between 5-6 when the Mini apparently arrived in the SOS lot? At some other point? It would be helpful to know.

And of course, one can't know that voice mails have come in--and can't know whether they are urgent or not--when the phone is turned off.

Have to keep this info. "close to the vest". After all, it's a "suicide". Well, maybe it's a "walkaway". Well, guess it coulda been a "foul play", but now we'll never never know.

[J. J. in Phila]

First, UTR, it was reported that the cell was off.

Originally Posted by logicworks

An 'unplanned' day off and no questions asked by RG, raises yet more 'red flags' regarding CHANGE. All of a sudden the detail oriented DA changes character after 20 plus years, and doesn't care about what is going on in the office?

Once again, this CHANGE is said to have taken place after 9:00 PM on Thursday evening, when he was obviously still detail oriented enough to be following his pattern of going back into work, this time for three hours.

This 'newly-changed-after-9pm' character being offered is still concerned about the dog, yet no longer cares about the office; doesn't ask any questions, immediately shuts off his cell phone to insure no one at the office can contact him and then just disappears. Something is drastically wrong with this 'picture' being painted over the man's known character.
JMO

LW, 4/14/05 was an "'unplanned' day off," except he returned. The phone, as noted, isn't unusual, because he could turn it on and check his voice mail. And again, there is not too much that is urgent and cannot be put off for 4-6 hours.

[Cloudbuster]

Originally Posted by Politigal

The State is now investigating ADA Lance Marshall

http://www.centredaily.com/news/loca...y/1050646.html

Thanks for the article Pgal!!! Marshall resigns on his own, that usually makes ya wonder what else he might want left far away. What I don't understand is why MM called the AG"s office to look at this case? But yet he couldn't do that for the RG case?

IMO way more going on than meets the eye.

[Politigal]

Judge orders Madeira to provide records in Roger's murder case

http://www.centredaily.com/news/loca...y/1042820.html

And....

Madeira was also asked to show Lunsford anything that explains why Assistant District Attorney Karen Kuebler rescinded a mandatory minimum sentence in Starr’s prosecution and instead ask for a probationary sentence.

Crowley called that “extremely odd,” and said, “perhaps they didn’t want Mr. Starr in Centre County jail with Mr. Rogers.”

So....Madeira withheld evidence (re: Starr) in the case....and Kuebler kept Starr out of jail.

It just gets deeper & deeper.

Originally Posted by logicworks

Wanted to add to this post---- something else I just realized regarding CHANGE----

He's NOT changed as of 9:00pm on Thursday evening;
he IS changed the next morning, when he rolls over, goes back to sleep after saying 'no work this morning',
BUT when he's out on route 192, he's again NOT changed.

He calls as she says he was asked to do thus portraying that he's still caring about following up on his domestic obligations to her; he's still caring about the dog and whether it gets fed, goes out, or whatever it is the dog needed, less than half hour after he supposedly left home.

If the goal was to leave the car in Lewisburg for the SO, he cares enough to point a direction toward it, at which time he then again changes and shuts his cell phone off.
He then changes again, back to caring as he parks the car in a public lot where it isn't likely to be damaged.

THEN after doing all of this 'caring' PF describes as being typical of him toward her, he then changes again, gets out of the car and walks away for ever------remaining forever totally changed.

It, taken as fact, is simply too silly to even contemplate-----
JMO

As a smart, seasoned DA, RG was adept at planning strategy for his cases, and that would involve always thinking three steps ahead about what his opposition in court would do, being ready to "get the jump" on the defense and being ready to counter their moves.

If 4/15/05 represents the results of a long-planned strategy, it, too, represents a change, because it shows really illogical planning.

Why would RG reveal his location in that phone call, leaving the breadcrumb trail for PF and LE if he was planning a Great Escape?

Why would he then turn off the phone, which might have been an early red flag had PF or any staff member tried to reach him that afternoon?

Why call attention to himself by supposedly moving the Mini around in the SOS lot?

Why supposedly hang around Lewisburg for 24 hours, according to Bennett's sighting waiting right in the SOS out in the open, when he would surely know PF and probably LE would be looking for him?

Why supposedly hang around in Wilkes-Barre, a short drive from Lewisburg, two days after he was last "seen" in Lewisburg, if this is a Great Escape that's been carefully planned? Why not high tail it as far as he could get away from Pennsylvania where he'd be less likely to be recognized? Why supposedly dress in a suit (which by all accounts, he did not take from the house) and look like his DA photos and video, rather than dressing in a way that didn't look like "Ray Gricar" in all his file footage? Why talk about the Cleveland Indians when he would surely know news reports would at least mention his Cleveland roots, even if there was no mention of his love of the baseball team?

None of this is strategy, unless it's the strategy of someone who is practically begging to be discovered before he can get away.

[J. J. in Phila]

UTR, the cell call would two things, if this is a walkaway:

1. If get's the police to start searching an area where the Mini isn't. What did they do initially, ground and searches of Route 192.

2. It eventually takes PEF to the car and. eliminates any thought that he technically stole the Mini