Saturday, 01/03/09

[gstickley]

Good morning.

If you haven't read today's CDT, you might want to do so now; however, you might need a strong cup of coffee (or a much stronger drink!)

It seems one of the esteemed ADA's in Centre Co. has been axed. How embarrassing for his family. MM ought to be pretty embarrassed too.

Isn't LM the ADA who took the Vargas-Mendez (or Mendez-Vargas) case down the drain after RG disappeared? It's hard to keep up with all the "embarrassing" press about the DA's office, but I think LM was also responsible for several other "bad press days" too.

Thanks to the new female reporter; maybe she will continue to "dig up the dirt".

[gstickley]

Does anyone remember any public comments made by LM about RG's disappearance in the last 3 yrs., 8 mos., 20 days? If LM was a 10-yr. ADA, he had to have been employed by RG & worked with him. I find it odd that LM wouldn't have at least made a statement (unless there's one I don't know about) about his boss's/co-worker's disappearance.

[J. J. in Phila]

I think a number of us assumed it was related to case conduct. There seems to have been a police report of the text messages, and a quite long paper trail. It looks like there were made available from the victim or the police.

Ironically, this is good example of why stuff relating to RFG should be released. It will eventually leak out.

[ladyheartfixer]

since we are all in this together (so to speak with the one thread)...and before I go on I want to thank Coldwater for allowing us to continue to discuss this case...

I have a couple questions...I may have asked them before..I am sure someone has...and I just need an answer...I'll explain later if anything pans out...

When the car was opened after being found...was it specifically stated that it smelled like cigarette smoke? or that it smelled like smoke? I know they found trace ashes on the passenger side floor...but was it specifically stated by LE or whoever was there when it was opened? Secondly...was the car opened by LE when it was found...or did they wait for a key to arrive?

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally Posted by ladyheartfixer

since we are all in this together (so to speak with the one thread)...and before I go on I want to thank Coldwater for allowing us to continue to discuss this case...

I have a couple questions...I may have asked them before..I am sure someone has...and I just need an answer...I'll explain later if anything pans out...

When the car was opened after being found...was it specifically stated that it smelled like cigarette smoke? or that it smelled like smoke? I know they found trace ashes on the passenger side floor...but was it specifically stated by LE or whoever was there when it was opened? Secondly...was the car opened by LE when it was found...or did they wait for a key to arrive?

From what I've told, the PSP opened it, without a key, and smelled cigarette smoke. The ashes were from a cigarette.

[sherrijean981]

Originally Posted by J. J. in Phila

I think a number of us assumed it was related to case conduct. There seems to have been a police report of the text messages, and a quite long paper trail. It looks like there were made available from the victim or the police.

Ironically, this is good example of why stuff relating to RFG should be released. It will eventually leak out.

While reading the story on LM and the fact he used a county phone and computer and the chance this wasn't the first time he did it, maybe his computer and phone will take us back to 2004/2005. What are the chances he was doing the same time RG was in office and he found out about it? Maybe he was being called in RG's office too? And if one victim kept all the emails from him, maybe there were some when RG was in office and they were sent to his computer? Maybe he was meeting with other victim's of LM? VM case was going on at that time and his wife was pushing for his release. When LM got the case after RG disappeared the guy gets off.

JJ, you need to talk to Det. Matt Rickard about checking these things out.

I said 2009 was going to be a good year and I have very good feelings about it.

Hope you all had a wonderful holiday and now lets get the New Year going with new info.

[Politigal]

curiouser & curiouser....

Centre County is looking a little like a hot vacation spot if you want to skirt the law.

We've got a District Attorney who apparently thinks he's above the law & withholds evidence in a murder case. (Madeira)

We've got an assistant District Attorney who is alledgedly sending explicit text messages to a woman he's supposed to be representing in a domestic violence case. (Marshall)

We've got another assistant District Attorney who was too sick to go to trial in a rape case, yet he was well enough to be out campaigning for a judgeship. (Sloane)

And then of course....we have a *missing* District Attorney that no one seems to care about. (GRICAR)

Wonder what Nathan Boob and Karen Kuebler are up to?

[gstickley]

Hey, Pgal.

Ya left out MS.

You remember him, don't you? He's the ADA who was "in charge" after RG disappeared; the one who found "the mysterious book"; the one who called for "grief counselors" the day RG was due back to work, the one who spoke of RG as though he already knew RG wouldn't be coming back . . .

Of course, we haven't heard anything from him in ages. Is he still there? Does he ever try any cases?

[Politigal]

Originally Posted by gstickley

Hey, Pgal.

Ya left out MS.

You remember him, don't you? He's the ADA who was "in charge" after RG disappeared; the one who found "the mysterious book"; the one who called for "grief counselors" the day RG was due back to work, the one who spoke of RG as though he already knew RG wouldn't be coming back . . .

Of course, we haven't heard anything from him in ages. Is he still there? Does he ever try any cases?

Yep, Smith's comments/actions (or lack thereof) were odd for sure.

It's puzzling to me that Smith, Sloane & Arnold were the only ones who ever commented about Gricar's disappearance too. Why didn't Marshall, Boob or Kuebler stand up for him?

And speaking of Arnold, here's the old article about Madeira firing her...I guess I missed this tidbit before -- that Madeira blamed it on the Director of Human Resources Mark Hendrickson and County Commissioners. However, Hendrickson claimed that neither he *nor* the Commissioners had anything to do with it. Does that mean Madeira simply can't be trusted???

http://www.voicesweb.org/archive/february06/Page17.pdf

[Politigal]

Originally Posted by logicworks

Thanks for the link to the article. Can he be trusted? Read the comments after today's article on Marshall, and I think you will see what Centre Countians think about trusting him. Also check this out while you're there-----looks like JKA commented on the Marshall issue with some 'history'.

This county has gone so far downhill since RG disappeared, it is unbelievable. Without a leader or someone with experience like JKA who had 19 years under her belt with RG, there is an absence of leadership of the same calibre as RG's.

The others there ------I wouldn't follow anywhere and will guess other names might soon be showing in the news along with Marshall.
Oh, the tangled web----
JMO

I had not read the comments below the article - thanks for the heads up

http://www.centredaily.com/news/loca...y/1039463.html

So, there was even *another* assistant District Attorney with issues per JK Arnold --

the other involved a second ADA who was alleged to have made sexual overtures to police officers.

I'm just wondering if this was a male or female.....

I also love this part by JKA -- pretty much says it all about Madeira IMO.

Madeira's obfuscation efforts

TRANSITIVE VERB:
ob·fus·cat·ed , ob·fus·cat·ing , ob·fus·cates

1. To make so confused or opaque as to be difficult to perceive or understand: "A great effort was made . . . to obscure or obfuscate the truth" (Robert Conquest).
2. To render indistinct or dim; darken: The fog obfuscated the shore.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally Posted by sherrijean981

While reading the story on LM and the fact he used a county phone and computer and the chance this wasn't the first time he did it, maybe his computer and phone will take us back to 2004/2005. What are the chances he was doing the same time RG was in office and he found out about it? Maybe he was being called in RG's office too? And if one victim kept all the emails from him, maybe there were some when RG was in office and they were sent to his computer? Maybe he was meeting with other victim's of LM? VM case was going on at that time and his wife was pushing for his release. When LM got the case after RG disappeared the guy gets off.

JJ, you need to talk to Det. Matt Rickard about checking these things out.

I said 2009 was going to be a good year and I have very good feelings about it.

Hope you all had a wonderful holiday and now lets get the New Year going with new info.

If I were to talk to MR, I'm not certain he'd listen. I do get the feeling he's aware of this situation.

I should note that JKA said that it was leaked by the police. Interesting.

[gstickley]

[quote=Politigal;12609771]I had not read the comments below the article - thanks for the heads up
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Make sure you read the "comments" under yesterday's article also; someone commented on another ADA too.

[J. J. in Phila]

I've been going over this revelation and looking at with if there was a situation like thing that was the cause of RFG being "distraught." Not necessarily with Marshall, but with someone in the office. Okay, maybe.

Would that have prompted a meeting with RFG in Lewisburg? Probably not. We see how this was handled, a conference in the office, not a clandestine meeting out of town.

[Politigal]

On the Lance Marshall issue...why is it that the CDT was able to get copies of his text messages....yet they weren't able to get a list of Gricar's calls?

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally Posted by Politigal

On the Lance Marshall issue...why is it that the CDT was able to get copies of his text messages....yet they weren't able to get a list of Gricar's calls?

They were leaked by the State College Police, according to the poster "jka."

How do I know things? Because either I look them up, or someone tells me.

[Politigal]

Originally Posted by Politigal

On the Lance Marshall issue...why is it that the CDT was able to get copies of his text messages....yet they weren't able to get a list of Gricar's calls?

After re-reading the CDT article, it's clear that the woman who was a victim of domestic violence was the party who provided the text messages to the CDT.

I wouldn't trust her agenda either...It could have been sort of a mutual flirting relationship. Still, Marshall should not have done what he allegedly did.

And on the other unnamed ADA who allegedly made sexual overtures to police officers, former asst DA JKA wrote in the comments section of the CDT that police leaked those details to the CDT because they were angry at the way Madeira was trying to sweep it under the rug...(my interpretation.)

[J. J. in Phila]

I doubt if propositioning a cop is illegal. It's a bit different if the prosecutor is coming on to the girl friend of someone he's prosecuting.

[Politigal]

Delving deeper into the unknown asst DA who was making sexual overtures toward police....JKA wrote that the CDT asked her if she had knowledge of this in 2006.

Didn't Carolyn Fenton become an ADA in '06?

[Cloudbuster]

I just choked on my tea reading this but Im not surprised.

During opening statements, Assistant District Attorney Lance Marshall discussed dissension in the prosecutor's office about whether Paxson should have been charged in the first place. Two veteran prosecutors in the office -- acting in place of missing District Attorney Ray Gricar -- declined to prosecute Paxson in 2005 and that information became public during the run-up to trial.

http://www.legalassistantblog.com/node/16071

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The Centre County district attorney that tried the case, Lance T. Marshall, said he was concerned about a jury trial as well.

“Dr. Rorke and Dr. Morton, they’re heavyweights. We’re not suggesting they’re not heavyweights in this field.” Marshall said. “But if the scientists can’t agree on how this baby died, how can 12 people?”

http://www.raynesmccarty.com/news/detail.php?ID=67

[Cloudbuster]

I was reading some of my old posts and found where the Vine system came to be in 2004. Just a rehash.

By Kathleen Haughney
Collegian Staff Writer
Within the next week, crime victims in Centre County will be able to track the status of their offenders with the assistance of a new program called the Victim Information and Notification Everyday system (VINE).



http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive...04dnews-04.asp

I wonder if Ray knew someone had gotton out of prision by way of the VINE system? That may have bothered him two weeks before? Looking over his shoulder makes me wonder?
I forgot to ad that this system is for not just victims but DAs and LE ect.


Conklin added that the commissioners had received positive feedback from area law enforcement about their decision to implement VINE, particularly the Centre County Women's Resource Center and Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar.

Gricar said he did not understand why other areas in Pennsylvania have not implemented this technology, but is pleased the commissioners decided to do so in Centre County.

"I see nothing but positives for crime victims," he said.

Dawn McKee, Women's Resource Center education and outreach director, said the center often sees women who are concerned about the status of their offenders, particularly in cases of sexual or domestic assaults

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Cind maybe someone gave Rg files of some sort maybe even encrpted ones by way of internet. Maybe that happened 2 weeks prior to the disappearance. Maybe someone was unloading something they did'nt want in their possession. Or they brought that information directly to RG. The old saying Let Harry deal with it comes to mind lol. So Harry ends up being RG. Now whats RG to do with the information? Maybe he contacted the wrong person and that person blabed to another person and so the Storm begins to surface with currant running in someones lightning path. Under currants uprooting.

[Cloudbuster]

Another LM case?
http://nationalwriterssyndicate.com/...t/view/448/32/

[Cloudbuster]

http://www.statecollegelaw.com/Nudity_ppost.html
http://www.personal.psu.edu/jph13/wmart.html
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg01147.html
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive...ers_filed.aspx
http://www.southflorida.com/specials...,3384995.story
351 Greens Valley Road http://fight-a-dui.com/2006/10/
http://www.statecollegejaycees.org/A...Newsletter.pdf
http://www.tantoday.com/forums/salon...lon-owner.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/ho...tml?page=7&c=y
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/ho...tml?page=7&c=y
Candidates for the position must be tenacious, hardworking and dedicated to the job, Gricar said, but he doesn't know who will be filling his shoes.

"He has been a Centre County fixture for so many years," said Lance Marshall, Centre County assistant district attorney. "He is an amazing crime fighter, prosecuting cases since before I was born. He is going to be missed."http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2004/01/01-15-04tdc/01-15-04dnews-03.asp

http://blogs.centredaily.com/happy_v...nding-alo.html

[sherrijean981]

Originally Posted by Politigal

Yep, Smith's comments/actions (or lack thereof) were odd for sure.

It's puzzling to me that Smith, Sloane & Arnold were the only ones who ever commented about Gricar's disappearance too. Why didn't Marshall, Boob or Kuebler stand up for him?

And speaking of Arnold, here's the old article about Madeira firing her...I guess I missed this tidbit before -- that Madeira blamed it on the Director of Human Resources Mark Hendrickson and County Commissioners. However, Hendrickson claimed that neither he *nor* the Commissioners had anything to do with it. Does that mean Madeira simply can't be trusted???

http://www.voicesweb.org/archive/february06/Page17.pdf

I just came from the CDT site and the article on LM with all the pages of comments. I believe the one comment is from Karen Arnold (JKA). If so the CDT had called her to try and get info from her about someone in the DA's office and supposedly the police leaked the info to the media. Someone was hitting on police officers. Maybe it did go back to when RG was still in office and no one ever said anything. I can't believe it was something that one woman triggered.

[SuperKyle]

Originally Posted by gstickley

Hey, Pgal.

Ya left out MS.

You remember him, don't you? He's the ADA who was "in charge" after RG disappeared; the one who found "the mysterious book"; the one who called for "grief counselors" the day RG was due back to work, the one who spoke of RG as though he already knew RG wouldn't be coming back . . .

Of course, we haven't heard anything from him in ages. Is he still there? Does he ever try any cases?

That guy has always made me suspicious for some reason. Gone all weekend camping... I wonder with who exactly and were they with him the whole time??? When did he leave? Many curious things in there for a guy who was next in command so to speak.

[Cloudbuster]

Originally Posted by SuperKyle

That guy has always made me suspicious for some reason. Gone all weekend camping... I wonder with who exactly and were they with him the whole time??? When did he leave? Many curious things in there for a guy who was next in command so to speak.

He was supposedly off 4-15-2005 same day Ray was off. He supposedly went on a family camping trip in Pittsburgh PA. JKA tried calling him on his cell a few times. He didn't get the message till he was supposedly just coming out of the Liberty tunnels in Pittsburgh. On his way back home.