Jan. 2 - Jan. 12

[Lindsey]

May 2009 bring Justice for Michelle and her family and friends.

[Lindsey]

Brought over from the last thread. Good points Cardinal and Silsbee.

Originally Posted by Cardinal
I don't think Michelle had yet gone to bed that night. I think she was still up and about, dealing with all the last-minute preparations for the Homecoming Weekend house party. Maybe the killer was surprised that she was still up.

I still think the point being made in the SW was that Michelle's keys were - atypically - on the kitchen counter. And maybe Meredith put her keys on the hood of the SUV when she was leaving the house - after picking them up from the kitchen counter. She was likely carrying Cassidy, and would have needed a free hand to raise the garage door. At that point, she probably didn't care where she laid the keys. If, after raising the door, she was met with arriving WCSO officers, she might not have picked up her keys afterward. I don't imagine she was allowed back into the house after that, and I think her car is the one referenced in the N&O article, so she apparently didn't drive home. So maybe her keys were returned to her later by LE, and she never realized where she left them.

Good Morning Card. I also believe that Michelle had not yet gone to bed - it's just a feeling based on some of the info we know.

I still have the same question - was Michelle's car backed in? Wasn't there something closer to lay her keys on rather than the hood of Michelle's car? Actually I think I would have put Cassie down then opened the garage door.

Why didn't LE just ask Meredith about the keys? There was a reason it was included in the SW. If the issue was already resolved then why did they need to reference it at all?

I am curious to know at what point LE knew the keys were MF's? They seemed to still be confused about the issue of the keys in the summer of 2007.

Sils

[Leanne Weich]

Originally Posted by confused

I think Cardinal is right . I think the killer backed MY's car out and pulled theirs in the garage. I think at this point the killer loaded the kid in MY's car and took off. I think when she returned she backed her car out of the garage and then laid her keys on the hood of MY car. After she pulled MY's car back in the garage she was busy getting the child out and forgot the keys. Thats why the keys she pitched on the counter were MY's keys. Thats the last car she drove. I can see no other way the mix up in the keys would work. I think LE in spite of the friendship between her and one of their own is suspicious of her. Why put that stuff in a warrant if they were not?

If that is the case, why do you suppose no SWs have been issued in Meredith's name and that LE continue to issue SWs pertaining to JY only. Also, as far as I can ascertain, the friendship between Meredith and Det. Spivey is a business related friendship as opposed to a deep personal relationship. This is not abnormal during the course of an investigation for family of the victim to become "friendly" with officer/s working the case, imo. My brother was killed 27 years ago and I still exchange Christmas cards with the lead investigator on his case and speak to him and, occasionally, have lunch with him when I'm back in South Africa.

My guess as to why that was put in the SW is because the crime scene photos will have to be handed to the defence at discovery and they are keeping this case all tidy and 100% above board.

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by confused

I think Cardinal is right . I think the killer backed MY's car out and pulled theirs in the garage. I think at this point the killer loaded the kid in MY's car and took off. I think when she returned she backed her car out of the garage and then laid her keys on the hood of MY car. After she pulled MY's car back in the garage she was busy getting the child out and forgot the keys. Thats why the keys she pitched on the counter were MY's keys. Thats the last car she drove. I can see no other way the mix up in the keys would work. I think LE in spite of the friendship between her and one of their own is suspicious of her. Why put that stuff in a warrant if they were not?

In addition to the posts by onederwomyn and Leanne, don't you think the keys would have fallen off the hood onto the driveway if the car were driven?

Also, by your theory, Meredith's car was in the driveway from the time she returned with Cassidy until the WCSO arrived - she couldn't have left the house, her keys were on Michelle's car. Don't you think it was a little risky to leave her car in the driveway all that time?

[Cardinal]

Hi, Sils,

I would think that Meredith had to walk past Michelle's car to get to the garage door, and would have been standing beside it at that time. Regardless of the position of the car, the hood of an SUV would have been the most likely surface to place the keys.

As for putting Cassidy down, under normal circumstances, maybe. But at that point, my guess is that Meredith was in her version of "grabbing the child and running out of the house", and I doubt she would have released her under those circumstances. Besides, if the WCSO were arriving with sirens screaming, Cassidy may have bee clinging to Meredith.

I still think the PC in the SW was designed to justify a SW for Michelle's SUV, and that the issue was more the location of Michelle's keys than Meredith's. Regardless, it seems their confusion has been cleared up, since there has been no mention of the keys in subsequent warrants.

All JMO

[Silsbee]

Originally Posted by confused

I think Cardinal is right . I think the killer backed MY's car out and pulled theirs in the garage. I think at this point the killer loaded the kid in MY's car and took off. I think when she returned she backed her car out of the garage and then laid her keys on the hood of MY car. After she pulled MY's car back in the garage she was busy getting the child out and forgot the keys. Thats why the keys she pitched on the counter were MY's keys. Thats the last car she drove. I can see no other way the mix up in the keys would work. I think LE in spite of the friendship between her and one of their own is suspicious of her. Why put that stuff in a warrant if they were not?

I can't imagine anyone going through this much trouble - not even Jason.

Sils

[annalyzer]

Originally Posted by Lindsey

Brought over from the last thread. Good points Cardinal and Silsbee.



Good Morning Card. I also believe that Michelle had not yet gone to bed - it's just a feeling based on some of the info we know.

I still have the same question - was Michelle's car backed in? Wasn't there something closer to lay her keys on rather than the hood of Michelle's car? Actually I think I would have put Cassie down then opened the garage door.
Why didn't LE just ask Meredith about the keys? There was a reason it was included in the SW. If the issue was already resolved then why did they need to reference it at all?

I am curious to know at what point LE knew the keys were MF's? They seemed to still be confused about the issue of the keys in the summer of 2007.

Sils

What was she doing holding Cassie when she arrived at Michelle's house?

[Silsbee]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Hi, Sils,

I would think that Meredith had to walk past Michelle's car to get to the garage door, and would have been standing beside it at that time. Regardless of the position of the car, the hood of an SUV would have been the most likely surface to place the keys.

As for putting Cassidy down, under normal circumstances, maybe. But at that point, my guess is that Meredith was in her version of "grabbing the child and running out of the house", and I doubt she would have released her under those circumstances. Besides, if the WCSO were arriving with sirens screaming, Cassidy may have bee clinging to Meredith.

I still think the PC in the SW was designed to justify a SW for Michelle's SUV, and that the issue was more the location of Michelle's keys than Meredith's. Regardless, it seems their confusion has been cleared up, since there has been no mention of the keys in subsequent warrants.

All JMO

I guess everyone was busy today - not much happening tonight.

I also thought of the fact that the garage door should have already been opened when she left the house with CY. There really would have been no reason to lay them down.

The fact that she was murdered isn't enough to look at her car? So do you think Michelle's keys weren't suppose to be in that location? I am wondering how they would know that.

The bottom line of the SW was to obtain blood evidence to show Cassie was removed from the home after the murder. Who do you think they thought took CY from the home?

Sils

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by Silsbee

I guess everyone was busy today - not much happening tonight.

~snipped for emphasis~

The bottom line of the SW was to obtain blood evidence to show Cassie was removed from the home after the murder. Who do you think they thought took CY from the home?

Sils

I think they thought Jason's accomplice removed Cassidy from the house.

Whether or not that's true, I don't know.

[Silsbee]

Originally Posted by annalyzer

What was she doing holding Cassie when she arrived at Michelle's house?

This was actually in response to Card thinking that when MF left with CY she laid her keys on Michelle's car in order to open the garage door but after thinking about it I don't think the garage door needed to be opened. I think it stayed open after MF got there.

Sils

[annalyzer]

Originally Posted by Silsbee

This was actually in response to Card thinking that when MF left with CY she laid her keys on Michelle's car in order to open the garage door but after thinking about it I don't think the garage door needed to be opened. I think it stayed open after MF got there.

Sils

Oh ok Sils.

[Lindsey]

Originally Posted by Silsbee

I guess everyone was busy today - not much happening tonight.

I also thought of the fact that the garage door should have already been opened when she left the house with CY. There really would have been no reason to lay them down.

The fact that she was murdered isn't enough to look at her car? So do you think Michelle's keys weren't suppose to be in that location? I am wondering how they would know that.

The bottom line of the SW was to obtain blood evidence to show Cassie was removed from the home after the murder. Who do you think they thought took CY from the home?

Sils

Hey Sils,

Yes, very busy day recovering from the holidays. Hope yours were good.

Why do you think they waited 8 months to check Michelle's SUV for blood evidence? It's been posted here many times that her car was being driven all those months, Nov - July. Do you think it was after new investigators came on the case and noticed some 'oddities' in the crime scene photos? Nothing else makes sense to me.

I can't help but wonder what else they might have missed in those early days, weeks, and months that could have made a difference in solving this case and having the evidence to prove it, whether it was Jason or someone else.

All JMO

[JD1974]

Originally Posted by Silsbee

This was actually in response to Card thinking that when MF left with CY she laid her keys on Michelle's car in order to open the garage door but after thinking about it I don't think the garage door needed to be opened. I think it stayed open after MF got there.

Sils

What bothers me is this, when Meredith got the the house she was not in a panic, she had no reason to be..as far as she knew nothing was wrong. So why does she not remember doing it? Why does she say she put her keys on the counter, still no reason to panic at this point...she may have thought some things looked odd but she was thinking normally at this point. Normally you put keys on the counter as you are entering the house, when Meredith entered the house she had no idea what had happened yet, so why did she not remember putting Michelle's keys on the counter and her keys on the car? It had to be her that did it because it was her normal spot to put her keys, they just happened to be Michelles.

I can understand after finding Michelle and panicking that she would maybe confuse the keys, but by the time she found Michelle she had already mixed up the keys, there was no panic at that time...therefore she should of been able to recall what she had done with the keys.

[tiny paw-prints]

I'm hoping the custody hearing reveals some more information about Michelle's killer and surrounding facts leading up to night she was murdered.

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by JD1974

What bothers me is this, when Meredith got the the house she was not in a panic, she had no reason to be..as far as she knew nothing was wrong. So why does she not remember doing it? Why does she say she put her keys on the counter, still no reason to panic at this point...she may have thought some things looked odd but she was thinking normally at this point. Normally you put keys on the counter as you are entering the house, when Meredith entered the house she had no idea what had happened yet, so why did she not remember putting Michelle's keys on the counter and her keys on the car? It had to be her that did it because it was her normal spot to put her keys, they just happened to be Michelles.

I can understand after finding Michelle and panicking that she would maybe confuse the keys, but by the time she found Michelle she had already mixed up the keys, there was no panic at that time...therefore she should of been able to recall what she had done with the keys.

Where does it say that Meredith put Michelle's keys on the counter?

And how do you know when Meredith's keys were laid on Michelle's car? I mean, how do you know they were put there when she entered the house as opposed to when she was leaving the house?

[Barbara2]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Where does it say that Meredith put Michelle's keys on the counter?

And how do you know when Meredith's keys were laid on Michelle's car? I mean, how do you know they were put there when she entered the house as opposed to when she was leaving the house?

Not to mention that she may have been just slightly thrown off when she got to the house and found Michelle's car in the driveway. She was under the impression that Michelle was not at home. Add to that the dog "freaking out" in whatever capacity that happened would have been unnerving, IMO.

[Barbara2]

Originally Posted by Barbara2

Not to mention that she may have been just slightly thrown off when she got to the house and found Michelle's car in the driveway. She was under the impression that Michelle was not at home. Add to that the dog "freaking out" in whatever capacity that happened would have been unnerving, IMO.

I meant the garage. (Have to correct before the "nitpickers" show up.)

[annalyzer]

Originally Posted by tiny paw-prints

I'm hoping the custody hearing reveals some more information about Michelle's killer and surrounding facts leading up to night she was murdered.

Me too. When is the hearing again?

[enigma™]

Originally Posted by annalyzer

me too. When is the hearing again?

2/4/09 iirc

[Hey Paula]

Originally Posted by JD1974

What bothers me is this, when Meredith got the the house she was not in a panic, she had no reason to be..as far as she knew nothing was wrong. So why does she not remember doing it? Why does she say she put her keys on the counter, still no reason to panic at this point...she may have thought some things looked odd but she was thinking normally at this point. Normally you put keys on the counter as you are entering the house, when Meredith entered the house she had no idea what had happened yet, so why did she not remember putting Michelle's keys on the counter and her keys on the car? It had to be her that did it because it was her normal spot to put her keys, they just happened to be Michelles.

I can understand after finding Michelle and panicking that she would maybe confuse the keys, but by the time she found Michelle she had already mixed up the keys, there was no panic at that time...therefore she should of been able to recall what she had done with the keys.

I think Meredith might have been feeling some apprehension when she arrived at the house, saw that Michelle's vehicle was there (when her sister should have been working) and the dog was "freaking out". She must have wondered why Michelle wasn't tending to the dog, since she was home. It would have been a normal reaction for Meredith to put/throw her keys on the closest thing (Michelle's car) if the dog was jumping all over her ("freaking out") and to have forgotten them there after she went upstairs (likely to find Michelle) and witnessed the horror.

Meredith likely remained at the house for several hours, waiting for LE and being interviewed by them. I imagine many people would have forgotten or not have been consciously aware of where they'd put their keys after undergoing such a horrific tragedy. But because it's Meredith's habit to put her keys on the kitchen counter, she could've easily thought Michelle's keys were hers. I have no doubt I would've done the same if, God forbid, I were in Meredith's shoes.

[JHP]

Originally Posted by Hey Paula

I think Meredith might have been feeling some apprehension when she arrived at the house, saw that Michelle's vehicle was there (when her sister should have been working) and the dog was "freaking out". She must have wondered why Michelle wasn't tending to the dog, since she was home. It would have been a normal reaction for Meredith to put/throw her keys on the closest thing (Michelle's car) if the dog was jumping all over her ("freaking out") and to have forgotten them there after she went upstairs (likely to find Michelle) and witnessed the horror.

Meredith likely remained at the house for several hours, waiting for LE and being interviewed by them. I imagine many people would have forgotten or not have been consciously aware of where they'd put their keys after undergoing such a horrific tragedy. But because it's Meredith's habit to put her keys on the kitchen counter, she could've easily thought Michelle's keys were hers. I have no doubt I would've done the same if, God forbid, I were in Meredith's shoes.

Maybe she even laid the keys on the car thinking she could sneak in without Michelle knowing. Her keys might jingle. Remember she was supposed to be getting a "secret document" for Jason.

I just don't think the placement of the keys is a big deal AT ALL and I don't think after seeing the S/W's that we have Meredith is a suspect in the least.

I think the next month will be very telling. It will be interesting to see if Cassidy is important enough to fight for. Or if Jason's freedom is the most important of all.

JMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally Posted by JHP

Maybe she even laid the keys on the car thinking she could sneak in without Michelle knowing. Her keys might jingle. Remember she was supposed to be getting a "secret document" for Jason.

I just don't think the placement of the keys is a big deal AT ALL and I don't think after seeing the S/W's that we have Meredith is a suspect in the least.

I think the next month will be very telling. It will be interesting to see if Cassidy is important enough to fight for. Or if Jason's freedom is the most important of all.

JMO

ITA, as I don't believe the keys are an issue with LE. I believe it's mentioned in the s/w only because the crime scene photos show a set of keys on "the victim's vehicle", which requires an explanation, especially from a Defense standpoint; nothing more, nothing less.

I also believe JY will be arrested after the custody suit matter is settled. I think Woodrow Wilson's line is appropriate re how LE/DA views this: "Never murder a man who is committing suicide." JY is piling on the CE for the DA's case through his inaction, e.g., failure to collect the proceeds from Michelle's life insurance policy, failure to respond to the WDS, and his likely failure to personally respond to the custody suit.

Because JY neglected to respond to the WDS, thereby allowing himself to be deemed "the slayer" of Cassidy's mother, which this poor child will learn as she matures, I don't think he will personally respond to the custody suit either. I believe JY is totally absorbed in protecting himself; nothing and no one else truly matters.

IMO

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by JHP

Maybe she even laid the keys on the car thinking she could sneak in without Michelle knowing. Her keys might jingle. Remember she was supposed to be getting a "secret document" for Jason.

I just don't think the placement of the keys is a big deal AT ALL and I don't think after seeing the S/W's that we have Meredith is a suspect in the least.

I think the next month will be very telling. It will be interesting to see if Cassidy is important enough to fight for. Or if Jason's freedom is the most important of all.

JMO

I think the upcoming custody matter is much more interesting than the keys. Doesn't Jason have to file a response within 30 days of having been served with the suit? That's less than 2 weeks away.

And I think you've pinpointed the crux of the matter - Is Cassidy more important to Jason than maintaining his silence and distance from Michelle's murder?

[Marfa]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Also, if the Lexus had been driven that day by anyone who had a hand in the carnage upstairs LE would have found blood evidence in it and we'd know it by now. All this speculation of pulling the Lexus in and out of the garage and the Honda back and forth really seems unlikelyl, IMO... I vaguely remember reading way back that both the Lexus and Honda were impounded that day anyway. Anyone remember that ?

Likewise, if Jason truly had a hand in this carnage, would his vehicle not have had some sort of blood evidence in it as well. Wouldn't the same conclusion apply to all parties under suspicion?

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by Marfa

Likewise, if Jason truly had a hand in this carnage, would his vehicle not have had some sort of blood evidence in it as well. Wouldn't the same conclusion apply to all parties under suspicion?

I think a distinction can be made for someone who had a closet full of clean clothes at the scene.

[Hey Paula]

Originally Posted by Marfa

Likewise, if Jason truly had a hand in this carnage, would his vehicle not have had some sort of blood evidence in it as well. Wouldn't the same conclusion apply to all parties under suspicion?

When this case was being discussed in the media, I recall it being mentioned that blood was found on/in JY's vehicle.

[Marfa]

Originally Posted by Hey Paula

I also believe JY will be arrested after the custody suit matter is settled.
IMO

Seems to me the "custody suit matter" would be settled far quicker in Linda's favor if Jason were to be arrested and charged. I can't believe LE or the DA lazy enough to wait for a civil matter settlement to pursue a criminal matter that was so heinous.

[Marfa]

Originally Posted by Hey Paula

When this case was being discussed in the media, I recall it being mentioned that blood was found on/in JY's vehicle.

I think when this was being discussed in the media, the supposed blood evidence had to be tested to determine if it actually was blood and the results of those tests were never publicly revealed.

[Hey Paula]

Originally Posted by Marfa

Seems to me the "custody suit matter" would be settled far quicker in Linda's favor if Jason were to be arrested and charged. I can't believe LE or the DA lazy enough to wait for a civil matter settlement to pursue a criminal matter that was so heinous.

JY's failure to act in both civil matters is additional and substantial CE, which can be used in the criminal trial, via testimony from Linda Fisher, if JY refuses to testify in his own defense.

IMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally Posted by Marfa

I think when this was being discussed in the media, the supposed blood evidence had to be tested to determine if it actually was blood and the results of those tests were never publicly revealed.

Yes, I know, and I wonder why it was never publicly revealed.

[Leanne Weich]

Originally Posted by Marfa

Seems to me the "custody suit matter" would be settled far quicker in Linda's favor if Jason were to be arrested and charged. I can't believe LE or the DA lazy enough to wait for a civil matter settlement to pursue a criminal matter that was so heinous.

ITA and do agree with (I think it was Lindsey) who said the fresh eyes brought in to look at the case have found something that doesn't add up. I think they may feel that this was a hit and are looking into that or that he had an accomplice who helped in the clean up.

[JHP]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

I think the upcoming custody matter is much more interesting than the keys. Doesn't Jason have to file a response within 30 days of having been served with the suit? That's less than 2 weeks away.

And I think you've pinpointed the crux of the matter - Is Cassidy more important to Jason than maintaining his silence and distance from Michelle's murder?

January 17, is the date that was posted here as the due date. However thats a saturday. So maybe it's the 19th, anyhow it will be quite interesting. We probably won't find out until February 4 what the response is will we?
I think we will find out alot if Jason chooses to answer, like who his attorney is for this. If it's Smith or someone from his practice.
He will be deposed at some point and also have to go through an evaluation.

The next month will be interesting.
I think the Young family took the will as being the final answer to Cassidy's custody. I hope that isn't the case here.

JMO

[JHP]

Originally Posted by Hey Paula

ITA, as I don't believe the keys are an issue with LE. I believe it's mentioned in the s/w only because the crime scene photos show a set of keys on "the victim's vehicle", which requires an explanation, especially from a Defense standpoint; nothing more, nothing less.

I also believe JY will be arrested after the custody suit matter is settled. I think Woodrow Wilson's line is appropriate re how LE/DA views this: "Never murder a man who is committing suicide." JY is piling on the CE for the DA's case through his inaction, e.g., failure to collect the proceeds from Michelle's life insurance policy, failure to respond to the WDS, and his likely failure to personally respond to the custody suit.

Because JY neglected to respond to the WDS, thereby allowing himself to be deemed "the slayer" of Cassidy's mother, which this poor child will learn as she matures, I don't think he will personally respond to the custody suit either. I believe JY is totally absorbed in protecting himself; nothing and no one else truly matters.

IMO

I know, But a big question for me is did his legal advisor tell him not to respond?
Was it his great attorney Mr. Smith? Different legal advice? or did he make this foolish decision on his own?

Poor Cassidy I feel for her and the Fishers every day.
JMO

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by JHP

January 17, is the date that was posted here as the due date. However thats a saturday. So maybe it's the 19th, anyhow it will be quite interesting. We probably won't find out until February 4 what the response is will we?
I think we will find out alot if Jason chooses to answer, like who his attorney is for this. If it's Smith or someone from his practice.
He will be deposed at some point and also have to go through an evaluation.

The next month will be interesting.
I think the Young family took the will as being the final answer to Cassidy's custody. I hope that isn't the case here.

JMO

I don't think the guardianship recommendation in Michelle's Will will be a huge factor. In the first place, the recommendation was made in the event Jason predeceased Michelle. In the second place, it's only a recommendation and is not binding. In the third place, unless one of the Youngs also files for custody, I don't think they're a party to the proceeding.

JMO

[Silsbee]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

I think the upcoming custody matter is much more interesting than the keys. Doesn't Jason have to file a response within 30 days of having been served with the suit? That's less than 2 weeks away.

And I think you've pinpointed the crux of the matter - Is Cassidy more important to Jason than maintaining his silence and distance from Michelle's murder?

I think the custody case will definitely be more interesting. What does Jason have to do in regards to a response? Also is it unusual that Linda and Meredith are filing suit together? Will the fact that Linda lives in NY and Meredith lives in NC be of concern to the court? IIRC somewhere in the suit it says they are filing jointly/individually. Who exactly is trying to get physical custody?

Sils

[Hey Paula]

Originally Posted by JHP

I know, But a big question for me is did his legal advisor tell him not to respond?
Was it his great attorney Mr. Smith? Different legal advice? or did he make this foolish decision on his own?

Poor Cassidy I feel for her and the Fishers every day.
JMO

In the end, I don't think it truly matters what legal advice someone receives. Everyone has a free will, and if his daughter's perception of him were paramount, he would not have allowed himself to be deemed her mother's murderer, especially if he is innocent. JY's nonresponse is powerful CE, as it will also be if he fails to personally respond to the custody suit.

Regardless of his attorney's advice, I believe Linda Fisher can testify to JY's failure to respond to the civil matters.

My heart breaks for them too. Cassidy and the Fishers are victims too in this tragedy.

IMO

[JHP]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

I don't think the guardianship recommendation in Michelle's Will will be a huge factor. In the first place, the recommendation was made in the event Jason predeceased Michelle. In the second place, it's only a recommendation and is not binding. In the third place, unless one of the Youngs also files for custody, I don't think they're a party to the proceeding.

JMO

I was hoping that under the circumstances it would not be a factor.

The next few weeks will be busy. I hope for Cassidys sake a good decision is made.

[bookie]

Originally Posted by Hey Paula

Yes, I know, and I wonder why it was never publicly revealed.

Because it turned out not to be blood is my guess.

[JHP]

Originally Posted by Hey Paula

In the end, I don't think it truly matters what legal advice someone receives. Everyone has a free will, and if his daughter's perception of him were paramount, he would not have allowed himself to be deemed her mother's murderer, especially if he is innocent. JY's nonresponse is powerful CE, as it will also be if he fails to personally respond to the custody suit.

Regardless of his attorney's advice, I believe Linda Fisher can testify to JY's failure to respond to the civil matters.

My heart breaks for them too. Cassidy and the Fishers are victims too in this tragedy.

IMO

Oh, I happen to think there are some really top notch lawyers out there and some just mediocre ones.
You have a fool for a client if you represnt yourself.

I think whoevers idea it was not to respond to the Slayer charge was foolish.
JMO

[Hey Paula]

Originally Posted by bookie

Because it turned out not to be blood is my guess.

Either that, or LE doesn't want to publicly confirm blood was found on/in JY's vehicle, nor for JY/his attorney to know it.

Due to the amount blood at the crime scene, even if JY took a shower, it's conceivable that some blood might have still been found on/his JY's vehicle, which could have either been his or Michelle's.

IMO