Michelle Young - Dec. 22 thru Jan. 1

[Lindsey]

As we celebrate Christmas this week with our families and friends, let us remember the families and friends who loved Michelle and will always miss her beautiful smile and wonderful personality. I'm sure her presence would be the greatest gift of all if it were only possible.



Justice for Michelle and her loved ones is high on my Christmas wish list.

[enigma™]

I concur. Justice for Michelle and Rylan, and all who loved them.

Is there a GJ this week? I misplaced my schedule, again!

[Wyn]

When the Youngs all gather for Christmas let's hope they also remember what a wonderful person Michelle was and how her family is heartbroken over her loss. Let them realize that their actions affect others outside their little insular world (which isn't quite so insular anymore). This may very well be the VERY LAST Christmas that Jason and Cassidy are together with them.

My hope is that Santa brings someone in that family a conscious.


"Then peeled the bells more loud and deep,
GOD is not dead nor does He sleep.
The wrong shall fail, the right prevail,
With peace on earth, good will to men."

[Leanne Weich]

Great sentiment Lindsey and will be very near the top of my Christmas wish list. In fact if it weren't for the fact that I can't celebrate this year with my own grandkids because of not being allowed to fly, it would be my number one wish. I hope Cassidy gets to experience the joyfulness that all 3 year olds look so forward to. Do you people (as in Americans) have a lot of carrollers going from house to house and Carols by Candlelight at Churches and in parks? My grandkids love going to the nearest big park with their glow sticks and candles and singing all their favorite carols learned at Kindie.

I, too will be praying for some happy moments for Linda and Meredith as they reflect on Christmases past when Michelle was still an alive and vibrant person.

[annalyzer]

Cassidy must be five years old now?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by annalyzer

Cassidy must be five years old now?

C will be 5 in March...

Kat

[annalyzer]

Originally Posted by onederwomyn

Michelle and RYLAN...

Michelle and baby boy Rylan

[jerzeegirl]

ok so i had a revelation last night after reading the custody pdf for the second time,

the allegation of jason having another affair besides MM and having this said person staying at the house in the month prior to micheles death, could this woman have stayed with him in the house while michele was in NY? Maybe michele knew nothing because she wasnt there?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by jerzeegirl

ok so i had a revelation last night after reading the custody pdf for the second time,

the allegation of jason having another affair besides MM and having this said person staying at the house in the month prior to micheles death, could this woman have stayed with him in the house while michele was in NY? Maybe michele knew nothing because she wasnt there?

Hard to say, Jerzee...

I just find it difficult to believe with Michelle being pregnant that Jason would have done this, but who knows..

I am curious as to why he would take this woman to day care to pick up C though...(if he did)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by annalyzer

Michelle and baby boy Rylan

Thank you, Anna,
I should have included the baby.


Kat

[Leanne Weich]

Originally Posted by jerzeegirl

ok so i had a revelation last night after reading the custody pdf for the second time,

the allegation of jason having another affair besides MM and having this said person staying at the house in the month prior to micheles death, could this woman have stayed with him in the house while michele was in NY? Maybe michele knew nothing because she wasnt there?

I guess it is a possibility and, if so, I'd be most interested in the day care worker's or any other parents who were fetching kids as to the dynamic between JY and th mystery woman.

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by jerzeegirl

ok so i had a revelation last night after reading the custody pdf for the second time,

the allegation of jason having another affair besides MM and having this said person staying at the house in the month prior to micheles death, could this woman have stayed with him in the house while michele was in NY? Maybe michele knew nothing because she wasnt there?

Now that's an interesting possibility, jerzee. Good to see you, btw.

(you too, oneder )

If that's true, do you think Michelle would have found signs of other woman's occupancy upon her return? Or is it possible that Cassidy said something that clued her in?

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

Hard to say, Jerzee...

I just find it difficult to believe with Michelle being pregnant that Jason would have done this, but who knows..

I am curious as to why he would take this woman to day care to pick up C though...(if he did)

Kat

Why would Michelle being pregnant have anything to do with it, Kat? As for the daycare pickup, maybe he wanted other woman to bond with her?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Why would Michelle being pregnant have anything to do with it, Kat? As for the daycare pickup, maybe he wanted other woman to bond with her?

Oh, so you are not glad to see me, !!


J/K
Hey Card...

I have no idea, except maybe it was innocent...
I would hate to think Jason thought so little of Michelle knowing that she would later learn of this.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

Oh, so you are not glad to see me, !!


J/K
Hey Card...

I have no idea, except maybe it was innocent...
I would hate to think Jason thought so little of Michelle knowing that she would later learn of this.

Kat

Sorry, Kat. LOL Of course I'm glad to see you, too - it has just been a while since I saw jerzee or oneder. Hope you're having a lovely holiday season.

I understand your reluctance to see Jason in a bad light, but from I what I've read, not only was he spinning a fantasy future with MM, he had some other woman in his and Michelle's home. And if jerzee is right, and Michelle was in NY at the time, perhaps even in his and Michelle's bed.

I'm sorry, Kat - I'm willing to withhold judgment on murder, but if these allegations regarding the other woman, on top of (no pun intended) his affair with MM, are true, I don't understand how anyone can think that Jason had any regard at all for Michelle.

JMO

[annalyzer]

Originally Posted by Cardinal

Why would Michelle being pregnant have anything to do with it, Kat? As for the daycare pickup, maybe he wanted other woman to bond with her?

Or she just happened to be with him when it was time to pick his child up. Was this supposed to have happened while Michelle was alive or later in Brevard?

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

Oh, so you are not glad to see me, !!


J/K
Hey Card...

I have no idea, except maybe it was innocent...
I would hate to think Jason thought so little of Michelle knowing that she would later learn of this.

Kat

I suspect that Jason thought so little of Michelle and baby boy Rylan that he killed them both and hence; he abandoned Cassidy without a mother and baby brother. Jason is a heartless creep! IMO.

[annalyzer]

Originally Posted by tiny paw-prints

I suspect that Jason thought so little of Michelle and baby boy Rylan that he killed them both and hence; he abandoned Cassidy without a mother and baby brother. Jason is a heartless creep! IMO.

I wonder if he'll fight this custody suit, fight to keep his daughter?

Someone remind me what date to look forward to finding out, please.

[Barbara2]

Originally Posted by annalyzer

I wonder if he'll fight this custody suit, fight to keep his daughter?

Someone remind me what date to look forward to finding out, please.

I know it was February, I believe the 4th.

[annalyzer]

Also wanted to know, does Jason have to undergo a psych eval just because LF wants him to or does a judge have to order it? Or has a judge already ordered it based on LF's allegations in the suit?

[annalyzer]

Originally Posted by Barbara2

I know it was February, I believe the 4th.

Thanks Barbara. Not too far off. That'll be here before we know it!

[jerry50]

Originally Posted by Barbara2

I know it was February, I believe the 4th.

I think that that is the court date but I read somewhere that he has to respond to the suit within 30 days.

[enigma™]

Originally Posted by jerry50

I think that that is the court date but I read somewhere that he has to respond to the suit within 30 days.

It has been posted that he must respond, in writing, by 1/17/09. The court date is 2/4/09.

[kingbuff]

Don't want to make anyone mad, but doesn't this custody suit seem strange to you? From what I have read, Michelle did not want the Fishers raising her daughter. And now the Fishers want a judge to overrule a dead mother's judgment? Seems strange to me.

[Barbara2]

Originally Posted by kingbuff

Don't want to make anyone mad, but doesn't this custody suit seem strange to you? From what I have read, Michelle did not want the Fishers raising her daughter. And now the Fishers want a judge to overrule a dead mother's judgment? Seems strange to me.

I've not read what Michelle wanted regarding her daughter. I have a strong feeling that she wanted to raise her daughter herself. From the pictures I have seen, she and her mother had a very close relationship and Cassidy was very close to Michelle's mother and sister. If you have a link to your claim, I would be interested in seeing it. TIA

[Jester]

Originally Posted by kingbuff

Don't want to make anyone mad, but doesn't this custody suit seem strange to you? From what I have read, Michelle did not want the Fishers raising her daughter. And now the Fishers want a judge to overrule a dead mother's judgment? Seems strange to me.

I'm wondering why you think Michelle didn't want her mother and sister to raise Cassidy? Are you basing this on rumors of a will stating that, in the event both parents are deceased, Heather and her husband were chosen as guardians?

What that means to me, if it is true, is that Jason and Michelle wanted a related, married couple of roughly their own age, who planned a family, to raise their children.

Since Jason is alive, and is probably acting in ways such that Michelle would object, I'm not sure it's relevant to consider her choice in the event both parents were deceased.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by confused

I would imagine the judge will order them all to have one.

I would agree with that. A judge would most likely request a psychological, and home, assessment for all parties. She may also assign a lawyer to oversee this process, and to make a recommendation to the court.

[enigma™]

There is nothing strange about it. After Michelle's brutal murder by the slayer, Michelle's mother and sister decided Cassidy would be in better hands with them, rather than a court-proclaimed "slayer".

Buff, how would you proceed if this happened to someone in your family? Would you wait and hope that justice would be served? Would you find that justice is slow, and when time is running out, would you then proceed? I am curious. I believe that the Fisher's waited until they had no choice but to proceed in the manner they are proceeding. I cannot find fault with this, as I believe they have had legal counsel along the way that provided them with the specifics of how the legal system works, specifically in the state of NC. How would you have acted?

[jerry50]

Originally Posted by kingbuff

Don't want to make anyone mad, but doesn't this custody suit seem strange to you? From what I have read, Michelle did not want the Fishers raising her daughter. And now the Fishers want a judge to overrule a dead mother's judgment? Seems strange to me.

You may be reading in the wrong places. There is no verifiable proof that Michelle did not want her family around her children. Linda had purchased a home nearby so that she could provide daycare when Michelle went back to work after the birth of Rylan.
Do you remember seeing the picture that was taken at the daycare of Meredith and Cassidy? That little girl was on the top of the world. Her smile was incredible and anyone could see how happy she was to be with her aunt.
What do you think the judge will think when he sees tha tJY did not care enough to respond to the WDS? It showed that JY did not mind being labeled a killer in a court of law which essentially makes him unemployable.
There will be statements and appearances from all of their friends who will testify to what Michelle wanted.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by tizzer

I believe, in this type of suit, Jason would have to request and pay for it.

Is it standard for the plaintiff to ask for costs, and is it standard for a judge to let people cover their own costs? If an independent lawyer is assigned for Cassidy, by the courts, would the costs be covered by the courts?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by jerry50

You may be reading in the wrong places. There is no verifiable proof that Michelle did not want her family around her children. Linda had purchased a home nearby so that she could provide daycare when Michelle went back to work after the birth of Rylan.
Do you remember seeing the picture that was taken at the daycare of Meredith and Cassidy? That little girl was on the top of the world. Her smile was incredible and anyone could see how happy she was to be with her aunt.
What do you think the judge will think when he sees tha tJY did not care enough to respond to the WDS? It showed that JY did not mind being labeled a killer in a court of law which essentially makes him unemployable.
There will be statements and appearances from all of their friends who will testify to what Michelle wanted.

Wait a sec now, that is not exactly true.

L F had purchased that home for MF to live in, although she would probably reside there too someday.

But, we don't know when, and we never heard before this custody suit was filed, that she was coming to NC to live and to help Michelle with the new baby.

Good grief, no wonder Michelle was seeing a therapist.

With all that was going on, I don't know how she got through the day.



Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by kingbuff

Don't want to make anyone mad, but doesn't this custody suit seem strange to you? From what I have read, Michelle did not want the Fishers raising her daughter. And now the Fishers want a judge to overrule a dead mother's judgment? Seems strange to me.

The only thing, strange to me would be if anyone knew of all these allegations and did nothing to protect C. in all that time.

So, either the allegations can not be proved, or no one was worried about C enough to counter them.

So, which one is it?
Kat

[Lindsey]

Originally Posted by jerry50

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Linda had purchased a home nearby so that she could provide daycare when Michelle went back to work after the birth of Rylan.

<snip >

Not exactly. Linda purchased a home nearby in January 2006 for Meredith to live in. Michelle wasn't even pregnant in Jan 2006.

I guess each state has their own laws, policies and procedures but in my state the custody complaint wouldn't have been filed in Wake County. It would have to be filed in the county where the defendant resides. Linda is a resident of NY, not NC, unless again the laws are different there. (You're not a resident unless it's your primary home. Just being a property owner doesn't qualify.)

I can see why the WDS was filed in Wake Co since that's where the murder took place but I'm surprised at the custody complaint being filed there.

All JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally Posted by Lindsey

Not exactly. Linda purchased a home nearby in January 2006 for Meredith to live in. Michelle wasn't even pregnant in Jan 2006.

I guess each state has their own laws, policies and procedures but in my state the custody complaint wouldn't have been filed in Wake County. It would have to be filed in the county where the defendant resides. Linda is a resident of NY, not NC, unless again the laws are different there. (You're not a resident unless it's your primary home. Just being a property owner doesn't qualify.)

I can see why the WDS was filed in Wake Co since that's where the murder took place but I'm surprised at the custody complaint being filed there.

All JMO

Hi Lin !!!



I just posted something similar, maybe L F could be planning on moving to NC now?

It would help the case, I guess.

I hate to think of what is in store for C if she is taken away.

Kat

[Jester]

Originally Posted by tizzer

Its not unheard of, but I think in this case, since Linda is requesting the psych eval, she may have to pay for it. As would Jason if he requested it.

Its a pretty normal request in a custody suit, but who pays for what is up to the judge.

Thanks. I did notice the request for costs at the end of the affidavit, and I'm familiar with that being standard, but I know that different places will decide that differently. Where I am, it's standard to pretty much ignore the request.

[Lindsey]

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

Hi Lin !!!



I just posted something similar, maybe L F could be planning on moving to NC now?

It would help the case, I guess.

I hate to think of what is in store for C if she is taken away.

Kat

Hey Kat

You were posting while I was still typing I guess. lol

I wonder if Linda will move to NC, if she wins custody, or if she'll sell that house and take Cassidy to NY.

All that yanking her around can't be good for her, IMO. I hope the decision will be based on what really is best for Cassidy and not just what the grownups want. And I'm talking about the grownups on both sides. My only concern is Cassidy's well-being and justice for Michelle and her son.

[im4justice]

Originally Posted by Lindsey

Hey Kat

You were posting while I was still typing I guess. lol

I wonder if Linda will move to NC, if she wins custody, or if she'll sell that house and take Cassidy to NY.

All that yanking her around can't be good for her, IMO. I hope the decision will be based on what really is best for Cassidy and not just what the grownups want. And I'm talking about the grownups on both sides. My only concern is Cassidy's well-being and justice for Michelle and her son.

Yes I agree. Too bad she had to be yanked as you put it from Heather's home and then to another , Pat Youngs.

[jerry50]

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

Hi Lin !!!



I just posted something similar, maybe L F could be planning on moving to NC now?

It would help the case, I guess.

I hate to think of what is in store for C if she is taken away.

Kat

I think Cassidy's future is going to be disfunctional no matter what happens. She has not had a place to call "home" since the day she was taken from the only home she remembered where her Mother lay dead in puddles of her own blood. She has been shuttled between Heather's and Pat's with no permanent stability.
Her dad chose not to defend himself in a court of law and has been branded a wife killer by a judge. Who will employ him? He cannot give her a life of any normalcy.
And whether anyone wants to admit it or not, LE is putting together a murder 1 indictment which will more than likely put him in prison for the rest of his life.
It appears that while living with the Young's that no attempt has been made for Cassidy to carry on a relationship with her Mother's side of the family. That is not in the best interest of Cassidy no matter how you spin it. Are there any pictures up of Michelle in the Young's house? Does anyone sit with her and talk about how much her Mother loved her? She has suffered an immense loss that will follow her throughout the rest of her life.

[kingbuff]

Originally Posted by im4justice

Yes I agree. Too bad she had to be yanked as you put it from Heather's home and then to another , Pat Youngs.

A house is just a house. It's her dad that makes it home.

[caffeinated]

Originally Posted by kingbuff

A house is just a house. It's her dad that makes it home.

This is true for most dads, Jason not included. My opinion is that Cassidy is way down on his list for protecting, I bet his list only consists of him. JMOO