Dec 15th-21st

Crispy · #1 12-15-2008, 02:07 PM

Oh my! We need some things to happen with this case. I'm growing quite tired of waiting.

bkwits · #2 12-15-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Crispy

Oh my! We need some things to happen with this case. I'm growing quite tired of waiting.

I've been trolling other websites and blogs. What I have found that most posters are overwhelming against charging the child with murder, and most are skeptical of the "confession." I would say those who watched the video are extremely skeptical.

Now, am I correct in saying that the shell casings were found near the bodies. Wouldn't that mean the two men were each shot at close range?

Crispy · #3 12-15-2008, 03:56 PM

They did say most were found near TR. With VR, they were at the top and bottom of the staircase IIRC, I'm not sure the distance from there to his body.

I wonder if they are going to release some of the evidence reports when they get them back. I would like to see the boys clothes and some more witness statements, especially Tanya Romans

muska · #4 12-15-2008, 04:25 PM

There is a new request for additional disclosure at the Supreme Court site. Is this how court proceedings always occur. You'd think the prosecution could share new info without waiting for a formal request.

bkwits · #5 12-15-2008, 04:31 PM

I know very little about firearms. Can anyone tell me if a .22 handgun could have been used. Does a handgun leave shell casings, or only a long gun?

CANDYKISSES · #6 12-15-2008, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Crispy

Oh my! We need some things to happen with this case. I'm growing quite tired of waiting.

Nancy Grace is on Dr. Phil right now discussing this case and the pros and cons too.

Crispy · #7 12-15-2008, 05:14 PM

UGG I'm sorry I missed that. Maybe I can catch it on a replay or on his website.

#8 12-15-2008, 05:39 PM

You lost me. I thought nobody was talking.

suzanne · #9 12-15-2008, 05:46 PM

Well,that's nice.I missed it too.What did she say?

#10 12-15-2008, 06:00 PM

Discussing the case on Dr. Phil now.

#11 12-15-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mzmarymac

I'm at work...what are they saying?

right now they're talking about the boy that was kept chained up and escaped running to a gym.

#12 12-15-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 4rdturbo

On the title thread it says "trial 12/22", is that true? I haven't heard much lately in the media. Can someone please post a link with the trial date. Thanks much!

12/22 is a status hearing to see if the boy is competent to stand trial.

It was the trial date long ago, this stuff is just taking forever!
They said ballistics won't be in until the end of January!

bkwits · #13 12-15-2008, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Justice_Dawg

12/22 is a status hearing to see if the boy is competent to stand trial.

It was the trial date long ago, this stuff is just taking forever!
They said ballistics won't be in until the end of January!

And in the latest posting of the Dec. 8 status hearing, Pros. was saying how the state crime labs had pushed this case "to the front". It typically takes a YEAR, they said.

bkwits · #14 12-15-2008, 07:12 PM

Oh, BTW, also in the Dec. 8 hearing, Pros. wants to drop both murder counts. Judge wants competency hearing first.

IMO, Brewer needs help with this case.

wolfi_2 · #15 12-15-2008, 07:20 PM

here is the link to the story

http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/sli...ew=&versionID=

#16 12-15-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bkwits

Oh, BTW, also in the Dec. 8 hearing, Pros. wants to drop both murder counts. Judge wants competency hearing first.

IMO, Brewer needs help with this case.

Why do you say that?

#17 12-15-2008, 07:25 PM

Not much really. Everyone was pretty much in agreement that the kid needs long term help and the argument came when NG said it needed to be mandated through the court to insure it would happen.

I didn't actually hear the entire thing...I was on the phone for a good part of it

bkwits · #18 12-15-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Justice_Dawg

Why do you say that?

Well, the judge seemed to take Brewer to task about a couple of things...i.e. Why wasn't Brewer nagging the crime lab like he (the judge) used to do. I assume that was when he was a lawyer.

He kept asking Brewer if he was a clone. IOW, how could he be in two places at once or two people. Carylon and Candelaria are at every hearing and meeting, it seems. Now, I don't think this was a reflection on Brewer. I think Brewer is overwhelmed with it. IMO

muska · #19 12-15-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bkwits

Well, the judge seemed to take Brewer to task about a couple of things...i.e. Why wasn't Brewer nagging the crime lab like he (the judge) used to do. I assume that was when he was a lawyer.

He kept asking Brewer if he was a clone. IOW, how could he be in two places at once or two people. Carylon and Candelaria are at every hearing and meeting, it seems. Now, I don't think this was a reflection on Brewer. I think Brewer is overwhelmed with it. IMO

I haven't had a chance to read much but at the beginning, the judge also seemed to think that Dr. Cady should have had more info than just the interview with the boy. Seemed to think it could be a problem at trial. From the transcript of the 19th, the judge also seemed annoyed that Brewer didn't seem that interested in getting the boy's records. Hopefully, he's doing things this way, for whatever reason, in the boy's best interest and not for a lack of time.

muska · #20 12-15-2008, 07:55 PM

I read somewhere that there are like 2 or 3 trials per year in Apache County....everything, pretty much, is decided by plea bargains. Do you think the number of cases that go to trial can really be that low?

#21 12-15-2008, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bkwits

Well, the judge seemed to take Brewer to task about a couple of things...i.e. Why wasn't Brewer nagging the crime lab like he (the judge) used to do. I assume that was when he was a lawyer.

He kept asking Brewer if he was a clone. IOW, how could he be in two places at once or two people. Carylon and Candelaria are at every hearing and meeting, it seems. Now, I don't think this was a reflection on Brewer. I think Brewer is overwhelmed with it. IMO

The judge was a prosecutor. Page 12.

#22 12-15-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LindaNJ1216

Not much really. Everyone was pretty much in agreement that the kid needs long term help and the argument came when NG said it needed to be mandated through the court to insure it would happen.

I didn't actually hear the entire thing...I was on the phone for a good part of it

They know nothing about the case.

Moo

bkwits · #23 12-15-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Justice_Dawg

They know nothing about the case.

Moo

From the blurb I read about the Dr. Phil show today, I would very much agree with you.

bkwits · #24 12-15-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Justice_Dawg

The judge was a prosecutor. Page 12.

Thanks, it takes a sharp eye to catch that.

#25 12-15-2008, 08:56 PM

Lt. Donny Jones withholding something?
hmmmmmmmmmmm

bkwits · #26 12-15-2008, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Justice_Dawg

Lt. Donny Jones withholding something?
hmmmmmmmmmmm

What, what?

#27 12-15-2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bkwits

What, what?

Defense is requesting more info from that Lt.
Specifically.

REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURE.pdf

IMO= Good sign.
What does he know, and whay does he have?
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Now the in-chambers meeting. The Boy is in danger. I'd bet my life on it.

Did you notice where Carlyon said to the judge something about NOT having enough info before charging the boy in open court.

muska · #28 12-16-2008, 12:03 AM

Short article about Candelaria:

http://www.votewhiting.com/blog/2008...trouble-again/

Read the comments at the bottom. One compares him to Mike Nyfong.

#29 12-16-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by muska

Short article about Candelaria:

http://www.votewhiting.com/blog/2008...trouble-again/

Read the comments at the bottom. One compares him to Mike Nyfong.

I am so glad he lost the election!!!

bkwits · #30 12-16-2008, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Justice_Dawg

Defense is requesting more info from that Lt.
Specifically.

REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURE.pdf

IMO= Good sign.
What does he know, and whay does he have?
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Now the in-chambers meeting. The Boy is in danger. I'd bet my life on it.

Did you notice where Carlyon said to the judge something about NOT having enough info before charging the boy in open court.

Yeah, I do but not clearly. I'm going back to read it again.

bkwits · #31 12-16-2008, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Justice_Dawg

Defense is requesting more info from that Lt.
Specifically.

REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURE.pdf

IMO= Good sign.
What does he know, and whay does he have?
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Now the in-chambers meeting. The Boy is in danger. I'd bet my life on it.

Did you notice where Carlyon said to the judge something about NOT having enough info before charging the boy in open court.

Was that at the bottom of pg 21, top of page 22 in the status hearing of 12/8?

#32 12-16-2008, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bkwits

Was that at the bottom of pg 21, top of page 22 in the status hearing of 12/8?

You got it.

muska · #33 12-16-2008, 09:55 AM

I was very pleasantly surprised that Nancy Grace said the first goal is help for the boy and that he doesn't belong in a juvenile detention center. In the past, I've usually found her very negative. I wonder if this Paul Mones would help out on this case if he were asked.....he has 25 years experience in cases like this. You can't really beat that. It was encouraging that all of the experts agreed that the boy does not belong in detention.

suzanne · #34 12-16-2008, 09:59 AM

Yeah,I am glad Nancy Grace said that too.

muska · #35 12-16-2008, 10:35 AM

I finally got to read the transcript from the 8th. It seemed pretty casual for Carlyon to say he "thought" he could get to the court on the 22nd, that he "hoped" he would have a babysitter for his kids. He had two weeks from the 8th. That comment just bothered me.

#36 12-16-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by muska

I was very pleasantly surprised that Nancy Grace said the first goal is help for the boy and that he doesn't belong in a juvenile detention center. In the past, I've usually found her very negative. I wonder if this Paul Mones would help out on this case if he were asked.....he has 25 years experience in cases like this. You can't really beat that. It was encouraging that all of the experts agreed that the boy does not belong in detention.

Not bashing Wood or Brewer, but someone high profile should step up and rattle some cages.

#37 12-16-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by muska

I finally got to read the transcript from the 8th. It seemed pretty casual for Carlyon to say he "thought" he could get to the court on the 22nd, that he "hoped" he would have a babysitter for his kids. He had two weeks from the 8th. That comment just bothered me.

Did you take it as he isn't taking this case seriously?

muska · #38 12-16-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Justice_Dawg

Not bashing Wood or Brewer, but someone high profile should step up and rattle some cages.

Maybe this show will get other talk show hosts to take an interest in this case.

muska · #39 12-16-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Justice_Dawg

Did you take it as he isn't taking this case seriously?

like he doesn't want to be too inconvenienced....I hope that's not how he feels but who knows at this point........maybe he didn't mean anything by it

#40 12-16-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by muska

like he doesn't want to be too inconvenienced....I hope that's not how he feels but who knows at this point........maybe he didn't mean anything by it

IMO- He knows all charges will be dropped and cannot ever be refiled due to the boys incompetency.

He made his bed...