California, the first Third World State

TAXPAYER REVOLUTION is launching a June 2010 ballot initiative to protect California's taxpayers from the government's failure to enforce federal laws.

PETITIONS AVAILABLE EARLY 2009

http://www.taxpayerrevolution.org/in...tpage&Itemid=1

[Details]

Mmmm - nice. That should set up a good constitutional challenge on the question - is a baby born to an illegal a citizen? Or, as someone not "subject to our jurisdiction", in other words, not forced to be here (the original purpose of this amendment - to protect the children of slaves from being deported as non-citizens), not here with our permission, not citizens, is their child a citizen, as normal, of the same country as they are.

[Carol25]

Originally Posted by OvrAndOvrAgn

TAXPAYER REVOLUTION is launching a June 2010 ballot initiative to protect California's taxpayers from the government's failure to enforce federal laws.

PETITIONS AVAILABLE EARLY 2009

http://www.taxpayerrevolution.org/in...tpage&Itemid=1

Excellent news!! I hope this goes well! Of all of the initiatives I have heard Schwartzenegger is going to do, raising taxes and all, I haven't heard anything about the illegal immigration problem being addressed!

How about the state legislator's passing a law about HUGE fines for hiring illegals?

(there is more to this story)

PRESS RELEASE
California's Budget Problems Exacerbated by Illegal Immigration
Last update: 7:52 p.m. EST Nov. 7, 2008
SANTA BARBARA, Calif., Nov 07, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Costs of Illegal Immigration to State Match Amount of the Budget Deficit
The costs of illegal immigration to California are likely much higher. A 2007 study by Philip J. Romero, formerly a research economist at RAND, top economic adviser to Governor Pete Wilson and later Dean of the University of Oregon School of Business, estimated that illegal aliens in California receive somewhere between $10 and $38 billion more in state services than they pay in state taxes.
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...32794B069A1%7D

In Wednesday's, The Desert Sun front page was this
headline: “Governor to call in lawmakers to heal budget.” What is so difficult about this budget crisis? Pass legislative bill HR 1940. This is an important immigration citizenship reforming bill and it is coming before state of California legislators.
If passed, illegal aliens will be denied all public benefits. This bill has been modeled after a bill passed in Oklahoma which prohibits illegal aliens from applying for welfare for babies born in the United States by illegal aliens, called “Anchor Babies.” Recipients of this aid, based on an anchor baby, can receive direct deposited checks into their bank accounts for up to 18 years to support their babies. We have a $14 billion deficit in California. Taxpayers are paying for illegal aliens' medical, welfare and education bills. Write or e-mail state Congress Rep. Denise Ducheny or to whomever is your state representative or state senator.
http://www.mydesert.com/article/2008...30/1026/news12

[California]

Originally Posted by OvrAndOvrAgn

TAXPAYER REVOLUTION is launching a June 2010 ballot initiative to protect California's taxpayers from the government's failure to enforce federal laws.

PETITIONS AVAILABLE EARLY 2009

http://www.taxpayerrevolution.org/in...tpage&Itemid=1

I hope it isn't another waste of time the SC will just say is unconstitutional.

imo

[Details]

The SC is unpredictable - but they might well agree with this. If so - one little court case, and we'll have birthright citizenship for illegals gone, for the entire country. It'd be a wonderful thing. And I think they've got a very good Constitutional case. The amendment was added to prevent children of slaves from being deported as non-citizens - slaves weren't citizens. But they were under the control of the USA. Illegals come here without our permission, and hide out to remain - definitely not under our control, nor citizens - so it is a pretty good point that birthright citizenship does not apply to illegals.

[Roux]

When I heard on the news last night that CA is requesting bail out money my first thought was, too much has been spent on "undocumented" aliens. It has been my understanding that non-citizens have received extremely generous medical, educational, social service benefits in California. Terribly unfair to expect the taxpayers of other states to now pay the shortfall. No doubt there are other factors involved but I daresay the illegal problem is a huge factor.

Originally Posted by SuzzannaSuch

Native CA girl here. I will vote against anything that prohibits equal rights and benefits for those who inhabited this land before it was stolen from them.
Love they Neighbor as Thyself....This is the will of God.

This land was not stolen from anyone a war was fought for this land and we won. That is how things were done. Also our tax dollars should not pay to support the very people who are invading this country illegally. Your lack of loyalty to your country and your fellow Americans is really sad.

Originally Posted by Roux

When I heard on the news last night that CA is requesting bail out money my first thought was, too much has been spent on "undocumented" aliens. It has been my understanding that non-citizens have received extremely generous medical, educational, social service benefits in California. Terribly unfair to expect the taxpayers of other states to now pay the shortfall. No doubt there are other factors involved but I daresay the illegal problem is a huge factor.

You are so right!! In ONE month alone and in ONE county alone (L.A. County) illegal immigrants received $37 million in food stamps.

[Rangerx1]

Hatred has nothing to do with expecting people to follow our laws to be here.

[Roux]

Originally Posted by SuzzannaSuch

So what if they receive food stamps? Is it not human nature to feed your family? Equal rights are Human rights. The bush era is over. We are entering a new phase in this country where hatred is becoming null and void.
All people should be afforded food , housing and clothing regardless of the color of their skin.

Americans are the most generous people on the face of the earth. Who contributes when there is an earthquake, sunami, famine? Americans do, in far greater numbers; not the Japanese, French, extremely wealthy middle eastern oil countries. How many Christian groups go to other countries to help people build houses, drill wells, etc? And they go to every continent on this planet.

It is highly offensive to insinuate that the "bush era" promulgated hatred and racial prejudice. Many of us simply want the laws of our country to be obeyed. You are right in saying that all people should be afforded food, housing and clothing and their OWN countries should provide it, not our government.

Originally Posted by SuzzannaSuch

So what if they receive food stamps? Is it not human nature to feed your family? Equal rights are Human rights. The bush era is over. We are entering a new phase in this country where hatred is becoming null and void.
All people should be afforded food , housing and clothing regardless of the color of their skin.

I do not hate anyone and I sure in the hell am not a racist. I would not enter another country illegally and expect to have the same rights as the citizens. That is something that has to be earned and not given away like it meant absolutely nothing. This country was built on the rule of laws and if we allowed the rest of the world to come here and ignore our laws, then it wouldn't take long before this country would be destroyed forever.

Originally Posted by sherp

Send the hospital a dollar a week via your bill pay, for the rest of your life. We don't have debtors prisons anymore. The legals or illegals are getting a bill also.
Anyone in need of emergency care should be taken care of in our hospials in my opinion.

I dont think anyone has said anything about legal immigrants.
Illegal immigrants use the emergency rooms like it is their doctors office. Over 80 hospitals have had to close here in California as a direct result of the rising number of illegal aliens and their non-reimbursed tax on the system. This means the senior citizens or any other American citizen in those areas who really need emergency care have to travel who knows how far to the nearest open hospital.

California - The First (but not last) Third World State
The Rough Road Ahead
In 1994 Pete Wilson was re-elected Governor of California on the wave of popularity of Proposition 187, the measure aimed at cutting off state funding for illegal aliens. Left wing radicals fought back and, with the help of a cowardly Republican Party, they were able to stop 187 and keep the public trough open to anyone who wanted to partake. Seventeen years ago we said we were importing poverty and that the state would eventually face bankruptcy. That has now happened.
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2008120...rld-state.html

All the things you post regarding California are true. So please could someone explain why we are in the worst fiscal mess in our states history?

I am a welfare worker 11 years now. Born and raised in California I have never seen people suffering financially as they are now. We have people who were earning $200 to $300 thousand a year now standing in welfare lines.

California can do one thing it can serve as an example to other states and countries of how not to run your government.

It's common sense you cannot provide free medical, education, welfare money, law enforcement and food stamps to people who don't pay back into the system. That is what California's politicians have chosen to do for decades and now it is catching up to them.

Originally Posted by OvrAndOvrAgn

California - The First (but not last) Third World State
The Rough Road Ahead
In 1994 Pete Wilson was re-elected Governor of California on the wave of popularity of Proposition 187, the measure aimed at cutting off state funding for illegal aliens. Left wing radicals fought back and, with the help of a cowardly Republican Party, they were able to stop 187 and keep the public trough open to anyone who wanted to partake. Seventeen years ago we said we were importing poverty and that the state would eventually face bankruptcy. That has now happened.
We also said that the state was importing ignorance as evidenced by the dropout rate among Hispanics. Now comes a study that says; "The growing mismatch between the needs of the economy and the education levels of the workforce is likely to put pressure on state social programs, increase economic inequality, and limit the path of the state's economic growth..." The study singles out Hispanics as the root of the problem.
Illegal immigration is taking the United States on a path toward disaster -- California is already there. Left unchecked, Barack Obama will lead the entire nation down the road to Third-World status, and, as we are importing revolution as well, the ride will be very rough indeed.
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2008120...rld-state.html

The voters/citizens/taxpayers approved Prop 187 then our liberal court overturned it. I wonder what kind of financial situation California would be in now had they enforced Prop 187 as the voters had wanted? Just imagine our schools wouldn't be 2nd worst in the nation, our neighborhoods would not be full of foreclosed homes, the programs benefits for the elderly and disabled would be available, our hospitals and emergency rooms would not be closed, our prisons would not be over capacity, our parks not full of litter and trash, who is going to pay to straighten this mess up now? The voters who were in favor of prop 187. Maybe the political leaders/courts should listen to the people they serve and the people who pay their salary.

California spends almost $2.2 billion annually to educate illegal immigrant students in grades K-12

As the state cuts its health care budget to try to make ends meet, the increase in uncompensated care for immigrants has forced some hospitals to reduce staff, increase rates, cut back services, and close maternity wards and trauma centers. In the last decade, 60 California emergency rooms have closed. 41/ California hospital losses totaled $390 million in 2001, up from $325 million in 2000 and $316 million in 1999. The crisis reaches throughout the state, with 80 percent of emergency departments reporting losses. 42/

One-third of the patients treated by the Los Angeles county health system each year are illegal aliens, according to county health officials. In 2002, the county spent $350 million providing health care to illegal aliens, according to the Department of Health Services. Officials said that if that money had been available, the county could have avoided the closure of 16 health clinics and possibly two hospitals, as well as cuts in services. 43/

California’s border counties incurred $79 million in emergency care for illegal aliens, the highest cost in the country. 73/ San Diego County paid $50.3 million during 1999 for criminal justice services and medical care related to illegal aliens. Imperial County spent $5.4 million on illegal aliens in 1999, according to a study on behalf of the United States-Mexico Border Counties Coalition. It costs each person living legally in San Diego and Imperial counties about $18.56 per year to pay for the costs incurred by illegal immigration. 74/

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...h_research4d63

Now add up what it costs to provide health care, education, social services, incarceration in county jails and state prisons, law enforcement and court services and court costs and all the other expenses for the illegal aliens in the state of California and subtract that.
Illegal immigration is against the law and it is against the law for a reason.

Also think about how much our economy has changed since the dates on what you posted. We can not afford illegal immigration and we should not have to pay for illegal immigration.

[Charms]

Tis the Season.
We really need to eradicate the hate and fear.
People from other countries are no threat to anyone, all they desire is a better quality of life. That is not a threat, it is a human right.
Can someone please provide a chart of criminal activity associated with so-called illegals and those who are US citizens who committ assaults, rapes and murders. I'd like to see a comparison, for the sake of debate.

Originally Posted by Charms

Tis the Season.
We really need to eradicate the hate and fear.
People from other countries are no threat to anyone, all they desire is a better quality of life. That is not a threat, it is a human right.
Can someone please provide a chart of criminal activity associated with so-called illegals and those who are US citizens who committ assaults, rapes and murders. I'd like to see a comparison, for the sake of debate.

Excuse me???? People from other countries are no threat? Then please explain 9/11 to me. You do remember that day dont you? And that was not the first attack on the WTC by people from another country.
In Mexico this year 5000 people have been killed because of the drug wars and it is now coming over the border to this country. That is a huge threat. These people kill others without giving it a second thought. They kill children without feeling an ounce of guilt and the way they kill them is brutal. They kill our BP Agents who are trying to protect our country all so they can try and get their drugs here.
Many illegal immigrants get away with the crimes they commit since we dont know who they are and if they are here illegally from Mexico many run back to Mexico after committing their crime here. So there is no way to know exactly how many crimes they commit.
It is important for us to know who is here that is one reason why we have an immigration process. It would be so irresponsible for us to let people come here without knowing who they are.

Originally Posted by Charms

Tis the Season.
We really need to eradicate the hate and fear.
People from other countries are no threat to anyone, all they desire is a better quality of life. That is not a threat, it is a human right.
Can someone please provide a chart of criminal activity associated with so-called illegals and those who are US citizens who committ assaults, rapes and murders. I'd like to see a comparison, for the sake of debate.

I typed in "crimes committed by illegal immigrants" on Google Website and I had 100's of articles to choose from. This is a portion of the first article, but if this doesn't fit your specifications "google it" and you will have many to choose from!

WARNING: The following statistics may affect the "myth" most Americans have been told "that illegal immigrants come here because they desire a better quality of life."

http://www.capoliticalnews.com/s/spip.php?article25
INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.

97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.

66% plus of all births in California are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

These statistics don't exactly fit the common myth that they just come here because they desire b

[JD1974]

Originally Posted by Charms

Tis the Season.
We really need to eradicate the hate and fear.
People from other countries are no threat to anyone, all they desire is a better quality of life. That is not a threat, it is a human right.
Can someone please provide a chart of criminal activity associated with so-called illegals and those who are US citizens who committ assaults, rapes and murders. I'd like to see a comparison, for the sake of debate.

Every person who comes here searching for a better life is more than welcome imo as long as they do it legally! Why is it so hard to understand that I as an American have to follow the laws of my country, if I break them I go to jail...if they come here legally that's fine.

We also have the right to keep some people who may do harm to our citizens out of our country, how do we know who these people are if they come illegally? When I think of illegals, I think of the people who are waiting years to be able to come here because they want to do the right thing, those people are the ones who deserve to be allowed in.

[Carol25]

Originally Posted by chrgrfan

The voters/citizens/taxpayers approved Prop 187 then our liberal court overturned it. I wonder what kind of financial situation California would be in now had they enforced Prop 187 as the voters had wanted? Just imagine our schools wouldn't be 2nd worst in the nation, our neighborhoods would not be full of foreclosed homes, the programs benefits for the elderly and disabled would be available, our hospitals and emergency rooms would not be closed, our prisons would not be over capacity, our parks not full of litter and trash, who is going to pay to straighten this mess up now? The voters who were in favor of prop 187. Maybe the political leaders/courts should listen to the people they serve and the people who pay their salary.

Why wasn't it appealed to the Supreme Court? It is the taxpayers money. It is not to say the illegal immigrants cannot have these services. It's just that the state will not pay for them. The state will put in place rules whereby illegals can pay for education, medical services or any other services which citizens enjoy by their status of citizenship. If they cannot afford it, its best they return to their homeland where they are citizens and can enjoy their given services. State funds go to services for tax payers. Very simple.

[vonna]

Originally Posted by chrgrfan

The voters/citizens/taxpayers approved Prop 187 then our liberal court overturned it. I wonder what kind of financial situation California would be in now had they enforced Prop 187 as the voters had wanted? Just imagine our schools wouldn't be 2nd worst in the nation, our neighborhoods would not be full of foreclosed homes, the programs benefits for the elderly and disabled would be available, our hospitals and emergency rooms would not be closed, our prisons would not be over capacity, our parks not full of litter and trash, who is going to pay to straighten this mess up now? The voters who were in favor of prop 187. Maybe the political leaders/courts should listen to the people they serve and the people who pay their salary.

Well said and too true!!!!!!

[Keno]

Sen. Dianne Feinstein on illegal immigrants who are housed in our prisons etc.in California

http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/i..._id=&Issue_id=


Hope the link works

[Keno]

some more numbers

http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/p/p...well120605.htm

[Keno]

some more numbers

http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/p/p...well120605.htm

In 2003, Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-Cal.) said her state spent about $980 million on emergency services for undocumented immigrants. That same year, the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors estimated public hospitals and clinics in LA County spent $340 million a year to treat illegal aliens.

[Carol25]

It IS a matter of security as well as an economic disaster as we see in California.

We are having difficulty staying on top of our economy without the extra burden of employing, furnishing the education, hospitalization and housing for illegals. It is just a matter of common sense.

[Keno]

Our ER's are in trouble again. We may be seeing more and more ER's closing down. Then what? In the last few months I have had to go to our ER and I am shocked at how many non-speaking patients are in there. They are coming to our local hospital because theirs have been closed down. Big debates going on in our local newspaper about this problem as well.

Doctors MUST deliver an illegal immigrants baby even though they will not get paid. My GYN doc writes often in our local paper about this . He is FED UP as are the rest of the doctors. It's insane and should not be happening.

[vonna]

Originally Posted by chrgrfan

The voters/citizens/taxpayers approved Prop 187 then our liberal court overturned it. I wonder what kind of financial situation California would be in now had they enforced Prop 187 as the voters had wanted? Just imagine our schools wouldn't be 2nd worst in the nation, our neighborhoods would not be full of foreclosed homes, the programs benefits for the elderly and disabled would be available, our hospitals and emergency rooms would not be closed, our prisons would not be over capacity, our parks not full of litter and trash, who is going to pay to straighten this mess up now? The voters who were in favor of prop 187. Maybe the political leaders/courts should listen to the people they serve and the people who pay their salary.

Exactly!!! Very well stated.

[vonna]

Originally Posted by vonna

Exactly!!! Very well stated.

And now - to make matters worse we have Nadya Suleman, aka, Octomom - the woman who recently gave birth to octuplets while having 6 children at home being cared for by her mother. This will cost the state over a million for the hospitalization and care for the infants until they are old enough to join their siblings in their cramped quarters. This person should not be rewarded for her lack of responsibility. She has no husband - and hasn't been gainfully employed for many years but has been collecting disability for an alleged back problem which did not prevent her from carry 14 children.

[sjohnson2]

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives...ornia_taxp.php
To quote a few comments from the article

• Create a second type of California birth certificate for children born to illegal aliens and others who are not permanent residents. The current certificate would be limited to children with at least one parent who submits an affidavit stating that he or she is a citizen or a permanent legal resident (Social Security Number verified);

• Restrict illegal alien parents from applying for child-only CalWORKS benefits (TANF) for their U.S. born child by requiring lawful presence of all applicants; and

• Limit public benefits by requiring a signed affidavit under penalty of perjury that one is a citizen or qualified alien, and using the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) Program to verify legal residency.

Overall, I like the sounds of it
Sam ... immigration lawyer