Ten reasons why Phil Spector did not murder Lana Clarkson

Just the Facts Mam’, just the Facts.

The idea is simple, only single facts admitted into Evidence in the Harvey Phillip Spector trial #1, no attorney statements, just witness statements and items. All facts, to the best of your ability, should be uncontested by either side.

I will start by adding a few “single facts” to try and demonstrate what I am suggesting that we try to do.



-Lana Jean Clarkson, (DoB, April 5th, 1962), was found, shot dead by a single bullet on the morning of February 3rd, 2003.

-The location of this death was “The Pyrenees Castle” located at 1700 Grandview in Alhambra, California.

-The “Pyrenees Castle” was and is owned by Harvey Phillip Spector.

-The gun that fired the fatal shot was a aluminum framed Colt Cobra with a two inch barrel

-The Colt Cobra was owned by Harvey Phillip Spector

ByGollyGee

[Jayne]

The defendant did not take the stand.

Often during the trial viewers could see PS's hands shaking/trembling.

However, the defendant did stand and extend his arm with his hand and forefinger depicting holding a gun - his hand did not shake or tremble.

-Harvey Phillip Spector stood and demonstrated holding a gun at the request of defense attorney Christopher Plourd.

-The ladies white jacket worn by Harvey Phillip Spector has high speed blood spatter from Lana Jean Clarkson on the front of it.

-Lana Clarkson's blood was on the wet diaper on the bathroom floor.

ByGollyGee

-Brass deadbolt thumblatch was missing on back door and was found on foyer floor

-Blood on thumblatch bolt was DNA tested and matched Lana Jean Clarkson' DNA

-Colt Cobra was found under Lana Jean Clarkson's left leg

-Harvey Phillip Spectors linen ladies jacket was found in second floor dressing room

ByGollyGee

-Interesting fact just in from trial #2, Harvey Phillip Spector attorney Doron Weinberg asks Dorothy Melvin about gun waving and she states that Harvery got mad at someone who thought he was Dudley Moore and chased then down a New York Street with a gun.

-Another interesting just in from trial 2, Vincent Tannazzo private investigators license is provided by his brother's license for the business.

ByGollyGee

[Spectorfan8]

Not one of those women ever pressed charges against Mr. Phillip Spector.

-Dr Lois Pena performed the autopsy on Lana Jean Clarkson

-Dr. Michael Baden attended the autopsy of Lana Jean Clarkson

-The cause of death was a .38 caliber pistol shot that transected Lana Clarkson's spine at the C1 vertebra

-The manner of death was ruled a homicide by Dr. Lois Pena

ByGollyGee

[tartangirl]

-Harvey Phillip Spector drank heavily on the night of Feb. 02, 2003.

-Harvey Phillip Spector had two daquiris with Romy Schneider.

-Harvey Phillip Spector had two Navy Grogs at Trader Vic's.

-Navy Grog ~ 3/4 ounce fresh lime juice, 1/2 ounce grapefruit juice, 3/4 ounce allspice syrup, and 2 ounces each dark Jamaican rum (NAVY
RUM) and Demerara rum.

-Harvey Phillip Spector ordered champagne at The House of Blues
and 151 Rum.

-Harvey Phillip Spector becomes violent after drinking alcohol.



~as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her~

-Lana Jean Clarkson was sitting upright in a chair when the fatal bullet was fired.

-Blood spatter (>2.1mm) can only go in a straight line and down by gravity and air resistance, it cannot make a turn in mid-air.

-It is impossible for blood spatter from the fatal gun shot to hit the top portion of Lana Jean Clarkson's (from the waist up) slip dress from an interoral gunshot wound.

[Jayne]

IIRC, Diane Ogden testified in PS1, that Phil Spector directed her upstairs to the bedroom at gunpoint and that that although she wanted to (or would have?) "made love to him", but Why would he do it like that?

and IIRC, that she slept there while PS had the gun pointing toward her, face or head?

[kennedy06]

PS1

Lana did not recognize him as a celebrity or a man when he tried to enter.

Sophia H. and another employee quickly informed LC of his wealth and importance in the music world.

Euphrathes L. instructed LC to treat Spector "golden."

S.H. asked he be seated in her section.

Kathy S., the woman he took along to the HOB, was sent home by PS because she refused to order an alcoholic beverage.

PS left a $450 tip which was to be shared with security, herself and LC.

He first asked S. H. to go home with him, she declined.

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http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/051507_ctv.html

JMO

[kennedy06]

PS1

PS appeared to be under the influence when he placed his drink order at the HOB. He ordered Bacardi rum 151 "up".

The waitress S. H. said he was a little slurrish and loud when she took his order.


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http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/051507_ctv.html

[GPSpector]

Originally Posted by ByGollyGee

-It is impossible for blood spatter from the fatal gun shot to hit the top portion of Lana Jean Clarkson's (from the waist up) slip dress from an interoral gunshot wound.

- Possible only with the help of deflection.

[GPSpector]

- My father wears a weave, not a wig.

- The fact is, I do not know why Rachelle does not know this.

[Jayne]

Spitz (IIRC the correct witness) compared shooting calves point blank (or nearly?) in the head..to the way Lana was shot.

Same witness spoke about rabbit hearts, removed, keep beating....and I do believe he mentioned chickens running about after their heads chopped off (though I may be incorrect on the last one..sorry).

[Jayne]

Originally Posted by GPSpector

- My father wears a weave, not a wig.

- The fact is, I do not know why Rachelle does not know this.

Rachelle knows it or she doesn't. I think she's probably "lying"..and why should she care? Why would she "turn him in" if she's his wife? And if she were a REAL wife/partner..why would she say anything than "IT's NOBODYS BUSINESS" (what I do..wasn't that Billy Holiday??? OT..)

Wig..Weave..Caps..False Teeth. COME ON..who the Heck Cares..UNLESS someone outright lies and says "it's real" (DUH..False Teeth and WIGS are REAL..they must have a LAWYER on board advising them?)

Frankly..I don't care...I have (and had) elderly parents..I've had my own "medical and tragic" issues.

And if anyone said to me is that HAIR your own? I'd certainly say YES. It's none of their danged business..whether it is false, weaved or a wig.

I DON'T care what PS wears on his head or anywhere else..I ONLY CARE about what was IN HIS HEAD in February 2003..when Lana Clarkson ended up dead. Purple Hair..No Hair...don't care. And, I'd NEVER DISPARAGE him for his choice of hair. (although it was a bit humorours about his choice of clothing hair etc. in PS1.)

[kennedy06]

PS1

As they sped towards the mansion after leaving the HOB they watched the 1950 film Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye in the back of PS sedan.

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http://www.courttv.com/trials/spector/060507_ctv.html


A few short clips of the movie appear in this link, one without sound, one with sound.

http://www.noiroftheweek.com/2008/07...dbye-1950.html


This movie was originally banned in Ohio because of the violent nature of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_Tomorrow_Goodbye

JMO Although insignificant, it is still a fact in this trial.

[Spectorfan8]

It stinks that we cannot see this trial live, like the first trial.

At least we tried our best to get a live feed.

[Spectorfan8]

Mr. Spector's driver, AD, called 911 from outside the house.

[tartangirl]

- Harvey Phillip Spector told Adriano de Souza I think I killed somebody

- Harvey Phillip Spector had a gun in his hand with blood showing.

- There were 13 telephones in the faux castle.

- No 911 calls were made from the faux castle.



~as always, Justice for Lana and those who love her ~

-From the top of my 4' high work bench, I placed a 1/8 teaspoon of ketsup (Heinz) within one inch of the edge, hit puddle with 16oz. framing at full speed, furtherest drop landed on floor 4' 3" away from the work bench edge (horizontal measurement).

-The Colt Cobra that fired the fatal shot to Lana Jean Clarkson had a single action trigger pull of 11 pounds.

-The Colt Cobra that fired the fatal shot to Lana Jean Clarkson had a cocked trigger pull of 3 pounds.

-A .38 special bullet is really .358 inches in diameter.

ByGollyGee

[Jayne]

Where can we post comments to these? 3 pound pull even at the "second pull" is a lot for someone with arthritis, let alone injured wrists..holding the gun BACKWARDS..

where do we post these? Or are we to suspect the JURY gets this? (HAHA..I know the jury isn't reading this...it was just for argument's sake)

(after all..you did the ketchup thing..Golly Gee and Bud and his wife...in his backyard "demo" from PS1..doing all those self tried "demonstrations" (not to mention my own..which I never mentioned, btw..but for a few..but not scientific enough to claim them on the threads).


back to the "not"..Not Guilty Thread..no...I'll start another...MUCH LIKE "Letterman's Top Ten"..TOP TEN REASONS why Lana didn't kill herself" to post how I am quite sure Lana MIGHT NOT have killed herself.

May take some time..so don't go looking just yet..gotta think this out..

Let me preface this thread by saying that what I write in this entry is NOT my opinion but is a view from 3,000 miles away. I did watch a swimming pool in Palm Springs dump about a third of its water on the ground during an earthquake which convinced me that California is not a habitable place, at least for me.

I am not a fan of Phil Spector, nor did I enjoy the music he produced. I might also state that I never saw “Barbarian Queen” or any of Lana Clarkson’s movies. I am writing this for the several sincere “Not Guilty” and fence sitters and not for the poison writers.

I will not attempt to defend these items but I do, out of fairness to the defense, want to acknowledge that every defendant has a right to a fair trial. The items are not listed in any order of importance.

1. Phil Spector is highly intelligent.
2. There were never any charges filed by the PBA witnesses.
3. People are trying to make money off this sad situation.
4. His defense and selection of lawyers, with the exception of Shapiro, has been poor.
5. His ability to control his actions that morning was impaired by alcohol.
6. Lana Clarkson had expressed depressive thoughts.
7. Lana Clarkson had been taught which end of a gun is the working end.
8. Lana Clarkson had a Blood Alcohol Content of .12.
9. Phil Spector has pled “not guilty” and is presumed innocent
10. Phil Spector had no motive to commit murder.

ByGollyGee

[Jayne]

Bravo! GollyGee...very excellent post -

Indeed acknowledged by NG, G and NS (not sure's)...

[spydernweb2006]

There is forensic evidence to show that Lana and the gun were wiped and an attempted clean up of the crime scene was done PRIOR to the police arriving....

JMHO

Hugs,

Spyder

[sunstar]

Originally Posted by LandSharkII©

Spector had forty minutes alone in the house before law enforcement was able to take him into custody.

LE had to use Taser on PS to surrender.

Fortunately for Phil, one Taser prong did not attach to him so it did not shock him. Fortunately for LE, a dandalion seed came by and fell on him knocking him to the ground!

ByGollyGee

Originally Posted by sunstar

LE had to use Taser on PS to surrender.

[Sedonia Sunset]

Originally Posted by ByGollyGee

Fortunately for Phil, one Taser prong did not attach to him so it did not shock him. Fortunately for LE, a dandalion seed came by and fell on him knocking him to the ground!

ByGollyGee

Phil later claimed that the police had tasered him with 100,000 volts of electricity

[palomine]

Originally Posted by ByGollyGee

Let me preface this thread by saying that what I write in this entry is NOT my opinion but is a view from 3,000 miles away. I did watch a swimming pool in Palm Springs dump about a third of its water on the ground during an earthquake which convinced me that California is not a habitable place, at least for me.

I am not a fan of Phil Spector, nor did I enjoy the music he produced. I might also state that I never saw “Barbarian Queen” or any of Lana Clarkson’s movies. I am writing this for the several sincere “Not Guilty” and fence sitters and not for the poison writers.

I will not attempt to defend these items but I do, out of fairness to the defense, want to acknowledge that every defendant has a right to a fair trial. The items are not listed in any order of importance.

1. Phil Spector is highly intelligent.
2. There were never any charges filed by the PBA witnesses.
3. People are trying to make money off this sad situation.
4. His defense and selection of lawyers, with the exception of Shapiro, has been poor.
5. His ability to control his actions that morning was impaired by alcohol.
6. Lana Clarkson had expressed depressive thoughts.
7. Lana Clarkson had been taught which end of a gun is the working end.
8. Lana Clarkson had a Blood Alcohol Content of .12.
9. Phil Spector has pled “not guilty” and is presumed innocent
10. Phil Spector had no motive to commit murder.

ByGollyGee

!.(Golly Gee dosen't enjoy music produced by Phil Spector)Wow, you don't like the Beatles(The Long and Winding Road) (as a group) or individually (John (War is Over) and George (My Sweet Lord), the Ronettes (Baby I Love You, Be My Baby), The Cystals (He Hit Me), the Supremes, the Stones, the Righteous Brothers(You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'), The Drifters, etc Now that's just wrong

Phil Spector can't be that intelligent if after he killed Lana, he actually said "I think I killed someone"

The PBA witnesses were his friends, friends react differently when threatened by someone they care about

Phil Spector is also making money from this sad situation, so why shouldn't others

He picked his Lawyers, Maybe he put the names in a hat and pulled them out randomly but he still hired them ( I believe that goes back to his intelligence)

Nobody forced alcohol onto Phil Spector but he did try to force it on others!

Everyone gets depressed, fortunately most depressed people are not invited back to Phil Spector's castle

Yes. Lana Clarkson knew which end of the gun worked, but she was not heavily armed like Phil who had an arsenal of weapons

Lana's blood alcohol was high, we weren't there we don't know how that alcohol got into her system

Well I will give you the fact that he pled not guilty, I don't presume him to be innocent ( he can't be the incident happened in his castle)

No motive, come on he was a freak and a total stranger diss him what else was he going to do, kill himself? that would have been too easy

[sunstar]

Originally Posted by Sedonia Sunset

Phil later claimed that the police had tasered him with 100,000 volts of electricity

He exaggerates a little. MOO

[Jayne]

And, he has a "potty" mouth.

[spydernweb2006]

Here are a couple more facts:

Lana's wrist, both of them had been broken badly in the year prior and she had just recovered enough to work. Her wrists were likely weaker then most people's due to non use by casting and lack of use.

Lana had a bruise in the far back side of her tounge that was NOT from the gun being fired. It appeared to be a pre death injury and due to the location could NOT have been caused by her biting her tounge. A forgien object had to cause the brusing.

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

[SeaMaiden]

"10. Phil Spector had no motive to commit murder."

PS had no motive to abuse his children, his ex-wife Ronnie Spector, & lots of other women, but he did so anyways.

He's a truly sick & violent man with a substance abuse problem. NO ONE knows his motives, not even PS himself.

IMO

Be careful about your assumptions. E911 calls are handled totally different than normal calls and routed differently. From the moment you finish pressing the last 1 in the number there are computer records generated by the ALI lookup before the call is sent to an emergency dispatch center.

ByGollyGee

Originally Posted by Searching

SO? He may have attempted to. You do not know for certain that he did not try.

[GPSpector]

Originally Posted by snowbird01

What a shame it got spoiled. Fact: some posters just do not deal in facts.

Seems some also do not want a fair trial, they just want their views of Justice served regardless of the facts.

[GPSpector]

Originally Posted by SeaMaiden

"10. Phil Spector had no motive to commit murder."

PS had no motive to abuse his children, his ex-wife Ronnie Spector, & lots of other women, but he did so anyways.

He's a truly sick & violent man with a substance abuse problem. NO ONE knows his motives, not even PS himself.

IMO

As true as your statement may be, it should have been posted in the other thread. This thread is limited to reasons why people believe my father did not pull the trigger.

[roytoy]

doesn't mean he did try, either. pure speculation. moo.

[kennedy06]

I'll give a little room for shock, but if he was capable of griping a door handle, so why not a phone receiver? If he could manipulate his hands to remove a jacket then why not be able to manipulate them to push 3 button? In this age can you still dial 0 or tap your receiver buttons several times to get an operator? Just saying if the excuse was used maybe he had forgotten about the 3 numbers, he could still have attempted and used the previous methods of calling for help he may have known. JMO

[roytoy]

Originally Posted by Searching

Exactly

correct. there is not one shred of factual evidence that says that PS tried to use one of the dozen phones counted at his home/crime scene.

[kennedy06]

Originally Posted by Searching

The only thing you know for certain is that he did not call 911. You do not know if he attempted to call. You do not know if he spent 40 minutes alone. No one had a stop watch. You do not know if any scene was staged. Nope.

If he wasn't alone then who was he with, AD was calling for help? JMO