Top ten reasons lana clarkson did not kill herself

[Jayne]

10. She left no suicide note and she went to work that evening 2/2/03..with New Shoes..and an upbeat attitude.

9. She and her mother (no matter who paid for what) just bought her PAIRS of new shoes for her job..so she could interject, meet, greet, and make connections.

8. She'd been plugging her "demo video" to show her comic talents..as she'd always been in a rather different hollywood persona as Barbarian Queen..and she really wanted to keep at her craft and art.

7. She was always upbeat with her BESTEST Friend..PIE (face)..who took the stand and essentially threw cream (mud) in her face.

6. Lana never tried to hurt herself (as far as anyone knows)..was never institutionalized for self destructive behaviour.

5. She had contact with her family often and as far as we know..there was no indication of any "worries".

4. She did contact friends in emails..and in her dramatic "pose". But none ever said she was ready to kill herself.

3. She got a job at the HOB...GREAT..she could interject..network..and I'd bet you anything Pie told her it was a great place to work (since Pie probably never offered her a job at her place??!)

2. She did her job...very pretty woman...listened to her bosses..they told her to treat PS..who she didn't recognize (whether she "knew" of him or not). She went home with him for "just one drink"...that night...

1. PS has been known to use guns against people..particularly women..who he wants to control.

Lana Clarkson is Dead.

PLEASE EDIT...

[GPSpector]

Good list.

Now I'd like to see a Top 10 list as to why PS did not shot Lana. This way the NG's can show their facts without opinion.

[Barbara fl.]

I doubt that any list can be created showing why PS didn't do this crime.....My honest opinion is that this should never have happened and Phil Spector should have received help long ago and it would not have happened.

I feel that he should be committed and call it a day....He certainly did not do it on purpose....He has an illness that no one wanted to challenge and the people around him could have done something about it....

I'm sorry but that is my honest opinion...

[spydernweb2006]

I would like to add 4 other reasons why Lana did NOT kill herself:

1. She had PRE PAID her rent. This speaks volumes to the she was desperate for cash theory or depressed cause she couldnt pay her bills.

2. Her Mother AND Her real best friend Neely ( the realtor) BOTH spoke to Lana that day before she went to work. BOTH knew Lana very well and NEITHER saw any form of sadness, depression or any indicators of what was to come. Both testified to Lana talking happily about up and comming work and personal issues.

3. She had an acting/commercial job lined up for the following weeks. So she was still obtaining some sucess in the acting field, not just supporting hreself with the HoB job. She was NOT a failure in the acting profession.

4. There is NO WAY Lana could have known that Phil Spector owned or had any firearms in his home or that she would even BE at his home that day to plan a suicide. Just think of the astronomical odds it would take that a person would decide ok on this date I am gonna shoot myself then to go to a stranger's home, find a gun and do it. Heck she didnt even KNOW who Phil Spector was till she was told at the HoB's.

** edited to add #4

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

1. False eyelashes are expensive, if she could not afford shoes and her mother had to buy them for her, why would she have taken off the eyelashes and then left them in the bathroom? She had her purse right there over her shoulder!

2. If the back door was not locked, why would the thumblatch come off in Phil's hand and get Lana's blood on it? He would not have to unbolt the door!

3. Despite Rosin Rosen's assertions, Adriano DeSousa spoke fluent English when on the stand. (Rosin, a sticky substance to make musical bows squeek better)

ByGollyGee

[wasapi]

Originally Posted by Barbara fl.

I doubt that any list can be created showing why PS didn't do this crime.....My honest opinion is that this should never have happened and Phil Spector should have received help long ago and it would not have happened.

I feel that he should be committed and call it a day....He certainly did not do it on purpose....He has an illness that no one wanted to challenge and the people around him could have done something about it....

I'm sorry but that is my honest opinion...

Barbara,

There is nothing to be "sorry" for. It is your honest opinion, and happens to be an opinion that I completely agree with.

Loss of a person's life is always tragic, but when it is a death that could have been prevented, it exacerbates the tradgedy. Had his illness been treated . . .

Yet, it was PS who chose to surround himself with yes-people, with people unwilling or afraid to challenge him. I find it sad that the people who truely cared about him enough to want him to have his illness treated, are the very ones PS chose to banish from his life.

And that is often what happens with mental illness. As the illness progresses, they think those who want them helped are 'the enemy'. Then, the people only caring about profitting in some way - the vultures disguised as friends and lovers - swoop down and take advantage.

[Jayne]

OK OK..I started this thread..
and I'm trying NOW to put myself in Lana's
Shoes. (no pun)

I was having a difficult time meeting bills. BUT I paid my rent. (OK..I.me Jayne (you Tarzan?! couldn't help it..sorry)...I'd pay my rent whether offing myeslf or not. Just ask Cheetah...)

If I got a NEW job where I had to be ON MY FEET..and needed shoes to make it happen...YEP..I would go buy them..even if MOM insisted on paying...

If my life "sucked" at the moment or moments, I'd probably email my"friends/colleagues"...talk about it..maybe sounding despondent..maybe even downright critical..all in the drama of a drama queen to her friends?..and maybe even "hunting for a meal"? A bit self absorbed and selfish perhaps..but not critical or lending itself to suicidal.

Pull oneself up by the bootstraps..put out that (IMO ridiculous and "iffy") tape to try to get some backing for the Comedy thingie?

Take that job at the HOB..since maybe it was the most likely one she could get and still be able to network (believe me...artists are not stupid...if they are worth their worth..they know where and how to network..even if they do not become famous)..

She knew she'd be on her feet all night...I'd bet her mother wanted to be sure she had "nice, comfortable shoes"..so they went shopping.

Lana didn't have a big bank account..and Moms being Moms could and would have bought those shoes regardless. I bet they'd have returned several..later...but later was TOO LATE after 2/3/03.

Lana wanted to "get ahead"..and 2/2-3/03 was an opportune moment to "network" and be "nice" to a KNOWN patron to the HOB?

Lana was trained (I'd guess..assume...by law) to know how to handle a prop gun (unloaded, that is)..so she'd know when or if it was loaded.

With her hands/wrists being in the condition they were, I cannot imagine she'd finagle that Colt in such a way to shoot herself..in SUCH A WAY as the shot was SHOT..

However, I can see where there would be evidence of her trying to protect herself...or where PS picked up Lana's blood in the clean up procedure and some of it got on the gun..even if she never had the opportunity or chance to defend herself with her hands at that strategic moment or place.

DW is up to something...I can sense it...he's going for mistrial...and he's going to try his best to counteract the DA theory ... so far..he's not done a poor job at it..as I can tell...I haven't been in the courtroom. He's banking up all his eggs in his basket. I just hope AJ sees the weasel in the chicken coop.

jmo

J

[True2Blues]

Lana didn't own a gun, didn't possess any ammo and there is no evidence that she had any interest in guns or shooting outside of acting roles.

It makes no sense that she would suddenly think, "Oh I know, I'll put a gun in my mouth and kill myself."

[Jayne]

Originally Posted by True2Blues

Lana didn't own a gun, didn't possess any ammo and there is no evidence that she had any interest in guns or shooting outside of acting roles.

It makes no sense that she would suddenly think, "Oh I know, I'll put a gun in my mouth and kill myself."

As much as I agree..and I DO...she was trained..as an "actor/ess" as to the handling of guns...she knew or should have known if it was loaded...if the bullets were real ones (or blanks)..and how to handle it.

IF IF IF..she found PS's gun..and momentarily...decided..THIS IS IT....so be it..then she did.


BUT I'd still wonder why..WHY did PS have a loaded gun..so accessible..and the holster was still in the drawer? Were I LC..and thank God I wasn't..I'd have taken the WHOLE THING...gun and holster...go into the bathroom...remove my eyelashes that were annoying me and put them on the back of the toilet where I just "Threw up"...go back out to the foyer...PUT the holster back into the drawer (NAH...why??) or maybe not..I don't in a NY Minute think that LC was setting up PS...by putting a holster back in that drawer..then just shooting herself in his foyer.

NOPE..I'd have blown my brains out..right there..in the bathroom...

NOPE..better...I'd have done it the MMonroe way...stolen PS's gun (if that was the way to do it)...got into the car...got back home..and crawled up in that pink bed...taken the pill overdose..and that would have been it...OR..yeah..if she stole the gun..used it.

This entire case...is too surreal...woman murdered in the home of a music icon...

PBAs..never called the police. WHY? you can answer that as best as I can....JOB...INCOME..REPUTATION

Lana Clarkson never had that chance..and why? I really don't know...maybe none of us will ever know..

but something happened that evening that took PS beyond his usual, horrible HABITS..PATTERNS..

Can't ask Lana what she had to do with it..she's dead.

Can't ask Phil what he had to do with it...he won't take the stand.

circumstantial to the HILT...

DW is very smart..but I think he's treading on very thin ice...albeit...pretty blue ice...he's got an Ace in his pocket...sort of...

I think I see where he's going...and I'm leagues behind AJ and the DA crew from LA...so they probably have it under control..


:0

jmo

j

[PKizner]

Her wrists. This is what I keep coming back to in my mind after having had surgery on my left wrist for bilateral carpal tunnel syndrome. She broke both of them badly, and that affects strength and fine motor skills. There is no way she fired that gun, IMO.

[sunstar]

Originally Posted by True2Blues

Lana didn't own a gun, didn't possess any ammo and there is no evidence that she had any interest in guns or shooting outside of acting roles.

It makes no sense that she would suddenly think, "Oh I know, I'll put a gun in my mouth and kill myself."

I think this is one of the most important reasons. We're expected to believe that suddenly because she'd agreed after much persuasion to go to PS's house and after seeing he had a gun she decided to kill herself right there in the atrium of his house? That's so surreal I'll never believe it. And further, if she had done that, why didn't he call 911? MOO

[hiitsme]

Originally Posted by sunstar

I think this is one of the most important reasons. We're expected to believe that suddenly because she'd agreed after much persuasion to go to PS's house and after seeing he had a gun she decided to kill herself right there in the atrium of his house? That's so surreal I'll never believe it. And further, if she had done that, why didn't he call 911? MOO

I could not agree with you more. No matter what the circumstances, any INNOCENT human being would have called 911 immediately, or if impaired would have screamed for someone else to do so. Instead, Phil Spector, gun in hand blurts out, I think I killed somebody! It's amazing what spin, power and money will do to infiltrate reasonable doubt in the mind of a juror, rather than search for the truth. This is MOO.

[True2Blues]

Originally Posted by snowbird01

I don't belived she had a "sudden onset" suicide urge. (nor an earlier planned one) If she were going to off herself I think she would have taken pills and made sure she looked OK to whoever had to find her.
As some poster pointed out earlier: one crazed and disconsolate woman did shoot herself on her live television show. Pretty unusual, but like most suicides that was an angry "I'll show ya!" drama kind of thing. What would be Lana's reason for shooting herself In The Face? What would be the drama she wanted to show...... to who? Certainly not PS. She didn't even know the guy.

I agree. I've never bought into the Sudden Impulse story myself. There's more to "Impulse suicides" than the defense seems to realize.

[Jayne]

Originally Posted by sunstar

I think this is one of the most important reasons. We're expected to believe that suddenly because she'd agreed after much persuasion to go to PS's house and after seeing he had a gun she decided to kill herself right there in the atrium of his house? That's so surreal I'll never believe it. And further, if she had done that, why didn't he call 911? MOO

cause he did it...

911..call for help/assistance...

911...call for help/assistance/I Didn't do it? or I did it?

don't call 911...'cause I had something to do with it?

PS is no idiot...if there were an emergency he couldn't handle..he'd call 911..wouldn't he? He was handling the "emergency"...or covering up the scene of the crime...that's it..but how incredibly stupid could he be...walk out to his driver..with a gun in his hand and not figure the driver would call 911? Maybe he figured..he wouldn't but got scared...that he (Adriano) would....so he/PS went about cleaning up the scene as best he could..before LE showed up..

that's how I see it...that's how many people would see it..but there will be those..probably jurors included who figure..nah...he was just tidying up the house for guests? (sorry..sarcasm)

jmo

J

[True2Blues]

Originally Posted by hiitsme

I could not agree with you more. No matter what the circumstances, any INNOCENT human being would have called 911 immediately, or if impaired would have screamed for someone else to do so. Instead, Phil Spector, gun in hand blurts out, I think I killed somebody! It's amazing what spin, power and money will do to infiltrate reasonable doubt in the mind of a juror, rather than search for the truth. This is MOO.

You're exactly right. Normal people would scream, run, stand and stare and then snap out of it and run and scream, call 911, yell for someone else to make the call. Tell someone you think you killed someone and then try to clean up? I don't think so.

[True2Blues]

Originally Posted by snowbird01

Oh, I think they do realize - they just hope the jury doesn't realize.

Jayne is skeering me y'all. She's feeling Something Wicked This Way Comes. Ya, I know its a book.
I'm afraid she may be right. Surely Doran must has something up his sleeve besides whine and b**ch; and I, too, hope AJ is ready for it.

You're right, I'm sure they do realize.

As for what the defense is up to, nothing would surprise me after the last bunch.

[Jayne]

My theory..as to the defense..I am not going to post..

it's underhanded...through the back door..and I may be entirely WRONG..but I think I have an idea of what they are going after...but it's legal..sort of..unfortunately..if my Guess is correct...

Doran is going for the Appeal...he's not Phil's trial attorney..he's his "back up"...more or less..

IF Doran tries this case..he's going to back himself up against a wall...that's how I see it...

but he has ammunition...and I do hope and think AJ can see it coming...

PBAs are Doran's nightmares...and he's trying to usurp them....

IMO..he's building a case against PS..albeit for PS...

AJ will have many sleepless nights, I'd guess..but Doran...his days are numbered, IMO. He's in the wrong place at the wrong time...but he's trying his best..and I'm loving watching/hearing about it.

jmo

j

[spydernweb2006]

One other thing that really sends my hinky meter flying is the bruise on the back of Lana's tounge that was NOT from the shot. I cannot see someone sticking a gun into their own mouth so hard they bruise their tounge in such a manner then going OOOPS the gun is not the right place to kill myself so let me reposisition. It defies logic. IN MY MIND I see Phil jamming the gun into Lana's mouth and Lana attempting to push it away when it discharges as a more likely senerio. That bruise speaks volumes to me and says to me in no way was this a self inflicted incident.

JMHO

Hugs,
Spyder

I am offended that you would call "a Top 10 list as to why PS did not shot Lana." a silly idea. You are calling a fellow poster and a family member who cares very deeply about the outcome of the trial "silly". If you would, please read down the forum threads and you will find just such a thread that was started three days ago by myself and what I listed was not "opinion".

ByGollyGee

Originally Posted by Searching

What a silly idea. This is an opinion message board and without actually participating in the trial and knowing absolutely all the facts all anyone can do is express opinions. Besides numerous opinions have been given as to the possibility of suicide which you and a few others choose to ignore. So what would be the point.

[kennedy06]

I didn't find the idea silly at all. I thought it was offering not only a balanced but, also a fair approach to looking at the trial facts on this board. JMO

[GPSpector]

I find it odd that most of the NG's want to assume where I stand on this case and yet, when I ask for a Top 10 list as to why my father did not pull the trigger, I'm called "silly". More proof that some of these posters are not here to be serious and discuss this case like adults.

[Jayne]

replace on of "my" 10..with:

Lana Clarkson did not have the "formed" intent to commit suicide...

There many treatises on the elements of suicide (even though CA doesn't recognize them as a crime..DUH??? can you prosecute a dead person?..NO..but you can prosecute one who aids, advises, encourages suicide..and it's a felony..of course you can't prosecute a suicide..if it's a real suicide..):

1. intent (the formed (in the mind) intent to commit suicide..i.e. kill oneself..that's basically it..it must be voluntary and intentionally (NY law specifically states (or did...last I knew of one cannot commit such a crime if "insane")..CA doesn't even recognize it. Good? or Bad? Depends...I guess..on which side you're on. CA doesn't give a rats ars what the victim was "thinking"..HMMM.. Interesting, huh? NO ONE..can ever be convicted of suicide..and so I'd say in all fairness..no one can ever use it as a defense. OOPS..I guess they can? So..then who is on trial? PS or LC..and even if found guilty..then what? There IS no guilty. What there IS..is implication of PS in Lana's demise..be it assisted..advised..aided...encouraged..suicide. Maybe CA filed a limited charge? (I'd have added it..frankly..or argue/argued it..what if he got her inebriated enough..not knowing he was coming within the realms of assisted suicide..but was playing along with her..he gets her to PLAY WITH THE GUN (OOOOH..last defense team?)...What were they thinking? Had all that been there..last year...he'd be ham on the table for Thanksgiving, imo.) But..I don't know..I just read the laws..and interpret them as I do..and I mean no harm to anyone.

Nothing more to it..it isn't a lie in wait or heat of passion..or involuntary manslaughter..it has to be Intentional.

NOW...as much as I wouldn't want to go there..as a "last risk "defense/offense"...because it could indeed backfire...What about Lana being a few sheets behind the wind...and with her recent UpBeat Attitude..but PERHAPS..in a drunken state..Thanks to ol PS..they want to claim she shot herself? With WHOSE GUN?? Talk about a felony..even if not murder. OH..but do they NOW have to revise the charges?

I don't think so...I mean, that it will happen. (Ya know Suicide is still a crime in some (haven't caught up and it really doesn't matter..really it doesn't) other states...kinda weird, huh?)

Here's my take...on a very skeery..way..Lana could not have had the intent to commit suicide (OK..she was took drun? HOW did she get that way? Hmm? assisted?..OK..bad curve to travel..and if she were..WHERE did she find that gun in HER CONDITION?).

Lana didn't have the intent to commit suicide..despite all the "last defense and maybe this one" doesn't even come close to the "quintessential suicide victim"..doesn't...it doesn't..

CA doesn't give one hoot if someone commits suicide..but they surely do if one aids, advises or encourages it. CPC 401.

Now..Lana is not on trial..or so we seem to think (sorry I do use "we" a lot..so please do not be offended..it's just semantics).

This may seem all too easy for DW..I've done some research ...he's one accomplished attorney...would like his hourly pay out for research!

This is not about aiding and advising a suicide victim..it's all about someone (outside CA law..since there is none)..who just took her life in PS's castle..No aiding..no encouragement..nothing. Sounds pretty simple to me.. YEP...she did it. HOW? With a Colt revolver..that was PS's..with BAD BAD BAD ammunition in it..and I dont' care if she was drunk as a skunk...she didn't find that gun all by herself..she certainly did not put the ammunition in it (which she OUGHT to have known better about..any one who went through the training for "hollywood/etc." would know that.. She didn't even have it..it was in PS's house...and if she WAS that drunk..HOW did she find it? Bottom line..she didn't find it...she didn't find the gun..it was shoved in her face..and maybe she was too tired..too weak..too ticked off too manybe and unable to respond for whatever reasons..including a danged barrel in your mouth, on your tongue and more than half way down your throat?

PS had a not so willing victim..but the events of that evening..were..as some of our esteemed posters have said was "an accident waiting to happen".

Poor Lana...had she only said "NO" and gone home...but that isn't how it happened...I'd say her's was probably around the highway..50/65..his was more like 80 to 120.

I "heart" PS license place...

I bleed PS..that's how I read it..

no offense intended at all..to anyone...just had an evening of going back over some things and trying to think about them..

[hiitsme]

Originally Posted by Searching

:The reason it is silly is because it has been discussed Ad Infinitum. You and a few others do not like the reasonable well thought out explanations and proceed to call those that post same "ignorant" and "baiter's." Which IMO is further proof that some posters are not here to discuss this case like adults. So I ask again, what would be the point? Furthermore the redundancy of your ? is becoming ridiculous. The ? should be what unequivocal proof is there that PS pulled the trigger. Answer: NONE

In my view, uniquivocal proof, as you say, is tantamount to a confession. In this day and age, even credible eye witnesses are ripped to shreds in order to "muddy the waters." I don't believe that unequivocal proof is a necessarily element to finding a person guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The circumstantial evidence in this case is powerful and I for one believe he is guilty based on that evidence.

Did it make a nice squishy sound when you swatted it? I usually have to wash my monitor screen 2 - 3 times a day. Ah, for a piece of Rinky Dink draw on the screen plastic!

ByGollyGee

Originally Posted by snowbird01

There, there dear.

[hiitsme]

Originally Posted by Searching

Allow me to proffer a hypothetical scenario. Let's say we both work in the same office for say an insurance co. Around the office it is well know that I keep cash in my desk drawer. It is well know around the office that you are having financial problems. Your desk happenes to be in close proximity to mine. I get up to go somewhere and while gone you are seen loitering at my desk. When I return some cash is missing. After asking around the office it is determined that you were the only one seen standing at my desk during the period I was gone. Circumstantial evidence dictates that you are culpabe for the missing cash. I accuse you of theft. The facts are: there is missing cash, you were seen at my desk while I was gone and your finacial problems are well known. That's powerful circumstantial evidence. BTW so called credible eye witnesses have proven not to be so credible in numerous cases.

And your point is?? I hardly think that a person who is having financial problems, regardless of the circumstances should be labeled a thief. Where's the unequivocal proof in your hypothetical?

[GPSpector]

I think it's just as likely that the money was miscounted before leaving the desk.

It's just as believable as my father "attempting" to use the phone and failing to complete a 911 call.

The scientific evidence is the jacket.

Another user on the Forum recently posted the sentence “The scientific evidence is in the jacket” which reminded me of the promises made during the first Harvey Phillip Spector trial. If you remember, Linda Kenny Baden stated in her opening statements that “Science will show that Phillip Spector is innocent” and, in my usual obnoxious manner, I will examine a few “facts” and some observations that we all can perform. I will try and be as fair and as impartial as I can. I will put a “-“ to start a “fact” and a “*” to start “empirical evidence” (Observational evidence). I am not a ballistics expert nor do I try to present myself as one. What follows is pure math and personal observation that any reader can perform.

- Cartridge was a Smith & Wesson .158 grains +P with a velocity of 800 feet per second and with an impact of 185 foot pounds

- The gun used to fire this cartridge was a Colt Cobra pre-1972 model with a 2” barrel (Aluminum frame)

- The gun was inserted into Lana Jean Clarkson’s mouth 2 inches (from the position of the stellite wound)

- The Colt Cobra weighs 15 ounces and with cartridges 16 ounces (one pound)

- The recoil of this gun would measure 19 foot pounds per second with a standard 6 grains of powder in retail S&W .38 Special +P ammo

- The bullet will exit the gun in 2 ms (.002 seconds) after the firing pin hits the primer

- The center of momentum of the Colt Cobra is 1.5 inches above the center of the opposition force (the hand) thus giving a vertical force of 4 foot/pounds and a backward force of 15 foot/pounds

* This will cause the average person’s arm to start a movement backwards and somewhat smaller upwards vector at the instant the gun was fired (even before the bullet exits the barrel). Imagine dropping a 4 pound object from a height of one foot on your hand or a 15 pound object dropping from a height of one foot. You can now understand why Lana Clarkson’s front upper teeth were imbedded on the front sight of Phil Spector’s gun.

* Place your right fist in front of your mouth as if aiming a gun with a 2” barrel 2”’s into your mouth and open your mouth wide.

- Blood spatter (spatter is defined as 2.0 or less millimeters in size) can only go in a straight line

- Bullet will impact the lining at the back of the mouth in another 2 ms

* The fist holding the gun will cast a shadow or void on anything in front of Lana Clarkson’s face

- Back spatter will start to exit the mouth (equal but opposite reaction) in another 4 ms

* A ladies white linen jacket on a human form directly in front of Lana Clarkson’s face, standing 3 feet way, will only have blood spatter from the gun shot on the right hand side if the gun were held in the right hand. The rest of the jacket will be in the “shadow or void” cast by the fist and arm holding the gun. The arm, moving upwards and backwards from the recoil has not yet had time to clear the mouth but has exposed the front of the bottom of the right arm to possible spatter.

* The slip dress will only have blood spatter from the gun shot on the horizontal sections of the dress, not on upper body. The blood spatter will end on the slip dress where it is in the shadow of the jacket.

So what have we determined? The person who shot or caused the Colt Cobra to fire was right handed. The Ladies white linen jacket tells us this. It also tells us that the person who wore the Ladies white linen jacket was directly in front of Lana Clarkson and 3 feet away at the time of the gun shot. As it is impossible for a person to suffer a complete transaction of the cervical spinal chord and to then sit down, the only other person at 1700 Grandview, Alhambra on the morning of February 3rd, 2003 was Harvey Phillip Spector. That is what the jacket tells me scientifically.

ByGollyGee

[kennedy06]

Wow thanks for that.

Ok but, I'm about PS height 5'4 (IIRC for PS) granted he is a man but, his arm length would be in proper proportion for his natural height right? Well I took an arm measurement holding the tip of the measurnig tape against my palm with the tips of my fingers, in the griping or holding position. The length of my arm to my torso was 22", why is 36" the suggested distance? I mean unless he has very long arms wouldn't he have to been closer? JMO

[GPSpector]

Originally Posted by kennedy06

Wow thanks for that.

Ok but, I'm about PS height 5'4 (IIRC for PS) granted he is a man but, his arm length would be in proper proportion for his natural height right? Well I took an arm measurement holding the tip of the measurnig tape against my palm with the tips of my fingers, in the griping or holding position. The length of my arm to my torso was 22", why is 36" the suggested distance? I mean unless he has very long arms wouldn't he have to been closer? JMO

I agree with your comment. Also, the further you are from the blast, the larger the void. If the closest part of the jacket was 3' away, it is possible that the entire jacket would have been in the "void" considering my fathers height. The only chance of getting blood on it would have been from a downward direction as the spatter looses momentum and starts to fall downward due to gravity.

The Spatter pattern actually indicates that the closest part of the jacket was a lot closer then 3" due to the direction that the spatter hit and this is supported by the comment "The blood spatter will end on the slip dress where it is in the shadow of the jacket.". Lana's legs were not long enough for the jacket to cause the "void" by the jacket if the jacket was 3' away. I would guess the jacket to be about 1' at the center front of jacket.
But that is just a guess from what little I know of the laws of physics.

In creating the sequence, I kept remembering the photo's of Lana Jean Clarkson's body position with the legs splayed forward. This would have forces him to stand to one side (does not fit blood spatter evidence) or straddle her legs with his. This would have helped him control Lana better but would then require him to bend forward, using his left arm and hand to hold her hair (some evidence regarding this was admitted in the first trial) while placing the gun into her mouth. This then would also explain how the jacket then created a blood spatter void from the hem of the dress to her knees as it would hang away from his body. This would place his feet about 3 feet away but allow his arms to get much closer. If you can manage to pull up the white linen jacket with all the little pasted on arrows, you almost can distinguish the shadow of the fist holding a gun on the front. Remember, we are talking about spatter, the little small droplets, not the smears or transfers. There was blood inside his right pocket that was not from the gun shot as well as others. We are talking about the "high velocity" spatter.


I am a retired engineer, a person who fits things and facts together so they make sense to me. This does not mean that "it is what happened" but what I find probable that happened. Harvey Phillip Spector has not taken the stand but there were only two people in that house, the one that is alive stated in court "Not Guilty" and we have to determine what happened as the people just as the jury has to do. In some of his lawyer's statements, Phil was on the other side of the room but as Linda Kenny Baden stated "Science will tell the truth" Spatter does not "skip" or "jump rope" or make turns in mid flight. It also does not go beyond 4 of 5 feet when spattered from a source at a height of 4 feet. Maybe if Phil stood there with a bucket of blood, he could cast it 10 or 12 feet, but that is a bucket not a droplet. The defense team better dig up some good "facts" and not promise empty science and then deliver that "emptiness" to the jury. They will not get away with it twice.

ByGollyGee

[GPSpector]

Golly Gee, that all makes clear sense to me. In fact, I think I posted the same scenario and facts last year. I'm glad that you too see the science in the case.

I just wish the did not point the finger at my father but it does seem to.