Beginning Oct 31

Ellie · #1 10-31-2008, 10:33 AM

Wow, do I actually get to start a whole new thread?

Post away! Glad to see we're past the shoe situation (and Lana's mom paid for the shoes, there's no way Lana would have let her mom buy her 7 pairs of shoes if she was planning to end it all any time soon...).

Moving on.

tartangirl · #2 10-31-2008, 10:40 AM

Good Halloween Morning, Thanks for the thread.

Just posted on the other thread that LKB is on Lisa Bloom now. They have been talking about PS1 and PS2 a little bit.

Still wish we were all watching it together but this will have to do until the closing statement and the verdict I suppose...

The shoes, guess that will be brought back again too....when they revisit it during the trial.

as always, my opinion, Justice for Lana and those who love her~

hiitsme · #3 10-31-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mcannie1965

Lana's state of mind will be an issue in the retrial. The defense contends it was suicide. The same witness' will probably testify in the retrial.

By Harriet RyanCourt TV

LOS ANGELES — Lana Clarkson was disappointed in her career and worried about her future as an aging actress in Hollywood in the months before her death, two former friends told jurors at Phil Spector's murder trial Tuesday.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/specto...07-pm_ctv.html

MHO

Assuming it will be Punkin Pie and Jennifer Hayes, that's great news for the prosecution. They are hardly qualified to discuss Lana Clarkson's "undiagnosed" depression. MOO

bballgrl · #4 10-31-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hiitsme

Assuming it will be Punkin Pie and Jennifer Hayes, that's great news for the prosecution. They are hardly qualified to discuss Lana Clarkson's "undiagnosed" depression. MOO

Perhaps P Pie will actually wear decent clothing this time around? If she makes a solid first impression, that could be good for the defense. Although, I still doubt the jury will buy anything she is selling

Hi itsme.... LOL

#5 10-31-2008, 11:28 AM

Whew! I was starting to think our precious board was gone forever. I left after SP1, now I have to start my post count all over again!

Anyway, I guess KTLA is airing some, but not all, coverage? I missed AJ's opening....

Now I know what I will be doing when the election is over next week!

Lyndawitha"Y · #6 10-31-2008, 12:05 PM

Not sure if this is the right place to post this link..and have not seen any links to video of opening statements..so here a little blurp about the opening of PS2:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27431464/

LMS

warhorse46 · #7 10-31-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mcannie1965

Lana's state of mind will be an issue in the retrial. The defense contends it was suicide. The same witness' will probably testify in the retrial.

By Harriet RyanCourt TV

LOS ANGELES — Lana Clarkson was disappointed in her career and worried about her future as an aging actress in Hollywood in the months before her death, two former friends told jurors at Phil Spector's murder trial Tuesday.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/specto...07-pm_ctv.html

MHO

From your own link

<<Even as they detailed Clarkson's anxiety about her work, however, both men said she never spoke of taking her own life and they did not consider her suicidal.

Asked by a defense attorney about his reaction to an e-mail in which Clarkson said she was going to "tidy up my affairs and chuck it all," Schapiro said he found it "a bit overdramatic." (VIDEO)

Later, he agreed with a prosecutor's assessment of Clarkson as "high maintenance."

"She was given to overdramatics and sort of describing situations in terms..." he said.

"More dire than they were?" suggested the prosecutor.

"Yes," Schapiro said.>>

warhorse46 · #8 10-31-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PJnFlorida

Whew! I was starting to think our precious board was gone forever. I left after SP1, now I have to start my post count all over again!

Anyway, I guess KTLA is airing some, but not all, coverage? I missed AJ's opening....

Now I know what I will be doing when the election is over next week!

None of the trial is being aired live.

kennedy06 · #9 10-31-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

Not sure if this is the right place to post this link..and have not seen any links to video of opening statements..so here a little blurp about the opening of PS2:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27431464/

LMS

Thank You Lynda, I was never able to view the check offering video before. The one about the hair was good too. The changes are so subtle that I had almost forgotten there were so many different looks. JMO

roytoy · #10 10-31-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SFWS

You are correct about seeing the physical face of Phil Spector, the appearence of the toad's mind and personality came later.

When people laugh hard, saliva can be expelled when seeing something very funny.

MHO
SFWS

some people, especially when overimbibing, go to the loo and don't sit.

#11 10-31-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by warhorse46

None of the trial is being aired live.

I haven't checked KTLA yet. I had read this on Sprockets blog,

From my understanding it's because there isn't that much media interest in Spector 2 and because of the high cost of covering a long trial. No one really knows how long the trial will last this time around.

KTLA is not covering it gavel to gavel, just the beginning, maybe some testimony here and there, closings, verdict and sentencing.

warhorse46 · #12 10-31-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mcannie1965

A person needs to know they are depressed BEFORE they have it "diagnosed!" Or why would they go to a doctor unless they recognized a depression? Even if it is never diagnosed, it doesn't mean the person wasn't suffering from depressions. Friends may recognize it. Of course friends can discuss it. They saw her moods and actions.

The jury will have Lana's words she was depressed. Her emails will no doubt be entered into evidence. What her friends testify to will be backed up by Lana's own words.

She had a depression so severe she trashed her apartment.

From Lana's emails:

"Well, I'm gonna hit the hay. I'm beat after tidying up my pad. I really trashed it in the midst of my depression. Trying to hold my head up high and know that God Samp: Guru has many wonderful things for me. For us all."

http://www.courttv.com/trials/specto...ls.html?page=6

MHO

Once again you are incorrect. A person does not need to know they are depressed to seek medical treatment. Most just know something is not right with them, then they go to a doctor & are diagnosed. Just like when a person is having pain in their chest, they do not know if they are having a myocardial infraction or a severe case of heart burn or an episode of anxiety, they just know something is not right so they go to a doctor to be diagnosed.

kipswife · #13 10-31-2008, 12:46 PM

is pumkin pies real name pumkin pie? i didnt notice her on the witness list but did see henry lee's name and wrecht's name.

kipswife · #14 10-31-2008, 12:55 PM

Phil Spector is guilty. if he goes to jail, all the better but the truth is the truth. believe what you want, no one will make anyone change their mind. He is a guilty, sad, pitifully man. the majority agrees, the others dont matter.

here's drinking to ps, may we never be like him or like him.

joolz · #15 10-31-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mcannie1965

Correct!

But she went to his castle with him, didn't she? I guess his looks weren't an issue with her.

And why did the prosecution only show old photos of Lana Clarkson? And they were old photos, as evidenced by PP's youth and attractive looks in the photos.Why didn't they show more recent photos? What did she look like at that point in her life? Old and tired looking? Whatever the case, the prosecution had a reason for showing only old photographs.

MHO

Have you ever been the the House of Blues in L.A.? They don't hire women who are "old and tired looking" to be hostesses anywhere, let alone the VIP lounge.

Ellie · #16 10-31-2008, 01:05 PM

I believe this picture was taken very shortly before Phil killed Lana.... old and tired looking? Hardly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lana_Clarkson

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Originally Posted by joolz

Have you ever been the the House of Blues in L.A.? They don't hire women who are "old and tired looking" to be hostesses anywhere, let alone the VIP lounge.

hiitsme · #17 10-31-2008, 01:11 PM

The only castles I've been in were on a guided tour. If someone invited me to Mr. Spector's castle and I walked into that, my first thought would have been this must be the set for the Addams Family and get me out of here!

hiitsme · #18 10-31-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kipswife

is pumkin pies real name pumkin pie? i didnt notice her on the witness list but did see henry lee's name and wrecht's name.

Her last name is Laughlin ( Eileen Elizabeth or something close)

hiitsme · #19 10-31-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ?WudScoobyDo

His castle looks pretty nice from the outside.

It did from the pictures shown during PS1. Have you seen it in person?
Maybe he justed needed a new interior decorator.

kipswife · #20 10-31-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hiitsme

It did from the pictures shown during PS1. Have you seen it in person?
Maybe he justed needed a new interior decorator.

i read somewhere that the castle use to be apartments at one point before it got turned back into a house

hiitsme · #21 10-31-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ?WudScoobyDo

His castle looks pretty nice from the outside.

It did from the pictures shown during the first trial. Perhaps he just needs to hire an interior decorator.

kennedy06 · #22 10-31-2008, 02:28 PM

I had remembered there is information out there on the web about how the Castle once was and how he came about buying it, but I couldn't remember exactly where I had read it. I looked over on Michelle's blog and while scanning the posts I came across what I believe might be an answer to a question I asked yesterday. The question being wouldn't the help might know if that gun was kept in that drawer. Now it is not an exact answer but the few words does indicate something at least to me that maybe it was. Doesn't indicate if it was there that night but.... I don't know if I can paste it here but:

post titled unfair and unbalanced. 4th paragraph

http://mcontrolblogs.blogspot.com/20...1_archive.html

JMO

JConnolly · #23 10-31-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mcannie1965

Correct!

But she went to his castle with him, didn't she? I guess his looks weren't an issue with her.

And why did the prosecution only show old photos of Lana Clarkson? And they were old photos, as evidenced by PP's youth and attractive looks in the photos.Why didn't they show more recent photos? What did she look like at that point in her life? Old and tired looking? Whatever the case, the prosecution had a reason for showing only old photographs.

MHO

PS was probably way more interested in what LC looked like, as opposed to vice versa. Don't forget... SHE was eventually told exactly WHO he was, and to treat him golden. So, I don't believe that her opinion or impression of HIS LOOKS had any bearing whatsoever, in that respect I agree w/you. They weren't an issue with her. She finally broke down and reluctantly accepted his invitation, and it's my opinion she did so only because of what the HOB told her... who he was and how to treat him. I can't remember if it was a no-no for HOB employees to "go home" with a patron tho. Most definitely, it goes without saying that she should never have done that! Regardless of "who" he was.

Anyway, about the photos and age thereof. How do you know that they were so "old" ?? It sounds to me like you're basing that on how PP "looked" youthful and attractive in the photos... so are you saying she no longer looks youthful and attractive? Or have you seen more recent photos (c 2003) of PP that make her look unattractive? I know that makeup and lighting, etc., can make an unattractive person look pretty good.

I don't buy that all the photos of LC were "old" and that any more recent ones would EVER show her "old and tired" -- that wasn't very nice! And I'm curious...

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Whatever the case, the prosecution had a reason for showing only old photographs.

I understand this is your opinion, but truly, I sure can't see any reason that 'old' photographs would benefit either side. Can you elaborate on what possible motive the prosecution could've had??

The last photo I ever saw taken of Lana Clarkson showed her DEAD. That wasn't an old photo then...

(I'm not feeling too well today, I hope I made sense)

kipswife · #24 10-31-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LandSharkII©

Cyril might testify, he might not testify. Same as before.

If Henry Lee is also on the witness list... don't think for one second he'll be testifying.

Ain't gonna happen.

i doubt we will be seeing dr. lee this time around. i cant imagine the new defense will use half of the witnesses from last time. they are trying to get him off and the last time the jury hung on 10:2 for conviction. DA will do a third trial if they hang again because this case calls for conviction. the witness list is pretty long

kennedy06 · #25 10-31-2008, 02:48 PM

Here is some info on the castle and a comment by PS about the purchase of it. I think there are more details out there to be found. Photos of its original look are easy to find, but LOL I find those pictures most fitting for today, they remind me of the house in Dark Shadows!

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/apr/08/local/me-then8

picture of it back when

http://www.cityofalhambra.org/community/castle.html

JMO

warhorse46 · #26 10-31-2008, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcannie1965

Why then did the prosecution only show old photos of Lana Clarkson?

MHO

Incorrect. The pictures of Lana the prosecution used were a year or less old. The ones of her @ a party with the casts still on her arms were less than a year old & the professional head shot one used most often was taken only weeks before her death. That was in the testimony in the first trial.

warhorse46 · #27 10-31-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mcannie1965

Once again you are incorrect with sweeping statements. That doesn't apply to all persons who have depressions. Some recognize the depression and seek medical treatment, which means they recognize the depression.

I think you also know that some persons suffering from depressions will go on shopping sprees, and can have risky and dangerous behavior. And that suicides are not always planned out, but can be spontaneous--a sudden impulse.

MHO

MHO

Apparently you did not read my post very close or you would have seen the word MOST.

True2Blues · #28 10-31-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mcannie1965

I think it is safe to assume Lana saw what Phil looked like BEFORE she left with him to go to his castle!

Also, IIRC, Lana's DNA was found on his private parts, according to testimony.

The procecution contends he straddled Lana, and shoved the gun in her mouth and killed her. This theory doesn't fit the jacket forensics.

There was a void on her dress, where there was no blood. If this is the case, if Phil was straddling her his arm would have intercepted the blood spatter. The sleeve was pristine.

Theory based on the jacket forensics: He walked in the room, saw her with the gun doing role playing or kinky gun play, and in an excited defensive gesture he put his arm across his face and turned slightly to the side when the gun went off. There was blood on the backside of the jacket.

MHO

The DNA was found on his scrotum, along with other unidentified male DNA, as I recall.

As far as straddling Lana goes, I don't recall the Prosecution saying that was the undoubted case. In fact, the animation they used in the last trial showed PS standing beside Lana, not straddling her.

roytoy · #29 10-31-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mcannie1965

Correct!

But she went to his castle with him, didn't she? I guess his looks weren't an issue with her.

And why did the prosecution only show old photos of Lana Clarkson? And they were old photos, as evidenced by PP's youth and attractive looks in the photos.Why didn't they show more recent photos? What did she look like at that point in her life? Old and tired looking? Whatever the case, the prosecution had a reason for showing only old photographs.

MHO

kind of hard to show more recent photos of a person who was murdered 5 years ago.

Ellie · #30 10-31-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by warhorse46

Incorrect. The pictures of Lana the prosecution used were a year or less old. The ones of her @ a party with the casts still on her arms were less than a year old & the professional head shot one used most often was taken only weeks before her death. That was in the testimony in the first trial.

THANK YOU, warhorse46!! That's what I thought--- the picture of Lana in the blue shirt was taken very close to the day she was killed, I was looking for a link but could't find one, so I'm glad you concur.

GPSpector · #31 10-31-2008, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcannie1965

Lana's state of mind will be an issue in the retrial. The defense contends it was suicide. The same witness' will probably testify in the retrial.

By Harriet RyanCourt TV

LOS ANGELES — Lana Clarkson was disappointed in her career and worried about her future as an aging actress in Hollywood in the months before her death, two former friends told jurors at Phil Spector's murder trial Tuesday.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/specto...07-pm_ctv.html

MHO

This article is from OCT 7, 2007. No longer can it be considered for this case unless the same witness take the stand THIS YEAR.

No reply is needed.

bballgrl · #32 10-31-2008, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mcannie1965

Why then did the prosecution only show old photos of Lana Clarkson?

MHO

How do you know they were old? I was sure they were pretty recent...

roytoy · #33 10-31-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mcannie1965

I meant when the Lana Clarkson "old" photographs at te first trial, hadn't been recent. I wasn't talking about photos AFTER the murder!

MHO

well, the recent years have not been kind to p pie.

the headshot photo was taken right before she was murdered, she had just approved the proof and had not even gotten the photos yet before she was murdered.

since she was murdered over 5 years ago, obviously ms. pie has aged. poorly.

roytoy · #34 10-31-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mcannie1965

The photo of Lana with the casts on her wrists were taken in 2002. She had fallen and broke her wrists in December of 2001. Doing the math the photo with Lana with casts on her wrists, was 4 or 5 years old when at the time of the first trial.

MHO

she was murdered in february 2003. what do you not understand?

hiitsme · #35 10-31-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ellie

THANK YOU, warhorse46!! That's what I thought--- the picture of Lana in the blue shirt was taken very close to the day she was killed, I was looking for a link but could't find one, so I'm glad you concur.

I think I remember that it was Lana's mom on the witness stand who said when that beautiful picture of Lana was taken. And yes, I'm sure she said it was taken within months of her death. I'm mentioning this from memory, so I have no links.

bballgrl · #36 10-31-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by roytoy

she was murdered in february 2003. what do you not understand?

You can lead a horse to water....

bballgrl · #37 10-31-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mcannie1965

Professional photographs can be airibrushed to a person look younger. I am sure Lana wouldnt want photos of herself looking old and tired, if that is the case.

Those photos of PP were old photos at the time of the first trial. They weren't talem AFTER Lana's death. Lana was in pictures with PP, and in the photos with the both of them, PP looked young and very attractive!

mho

IMO - PP was NEVER attractive and could not hold a candle to Lana. I think that may have been the reason for her saying what she did about Lana after her death... It's called jealousy. (JMHO)

roytoy · #38 10-31-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mcannie1965

Professional photographs can be airibrushed to a person look younger. I am sure Lana wouldnt want photos of herself looking old and tired, if that is the case.

Those photos of PP were old photos at the time of the first trial. They weren't talem AFTER Lana's death. Lana was in pictures with PP, and in the photos with the both of them, PP looked young and very attractive!

mho

i have no idea whether any retouching was done on lana's headshots. she was murdered 5 years ago, and in those 5 years, pp has gone to heck in a handbasket. you'd have to ask her why the years have not been kind to her.

she did look dreadful when she testified last year to the mass xmas letter she sent out in 2003. moo.

Lyndawitha"Y · #39 10-31-2008, 05:59 PM

I found this link on KTLA..regarding yesterday's halting of trial due to juror falling an breaking his foot....

http://www.ktla.com/landing_news/?Te...746&feedID=171

It seems we're going to be a day late and a dollar short on this trial..but will try to keep up to date as best I can...LOL

LMS

BTW...has anyone ound the video of opening statements yet??

Lyndawitha"Y · #40 10-31-2008, 06:28 PM

Just found Utube site..so far nothing other than initial blurb..but they did say the jury was made up of 6 men and 5 women..with 6 alternate jurors...

When they start downloading actual video of trial.I will put in the link....

LMS