Illegal Immigration Crime Skyrockets in Arizona

On October 2nd, the Maricopa County, Arizona District Attorney’s office released crime statistics that prove this point. Overall, while illegals represent only nine percent of the population in Maricopa County (which includes Phoenix) they are responsible for approximately 22% of the crimes committed. Here is a breakdown of statistics by crime category. Illegal aliens account for:

• 33.5% of those sentenced for manufacture, sale or transport of drugs.
• 35.8% of those sentenced for kidnapping.
• 20.3% of those sentenced for felony DUI.
• 16.5% of those sentenced for violent crimes.
• 18.5% of those sentenced for property crimes.
• 44.0% of those sentenced for forgery and fraud.
• 85.3% of those convicted of criminal impersonation or false ID.
• 96.0% of those convicted of human smuggling.

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It's a border state, there's nothing you can do about it.
The east coast is flooded drugs and Cuban refugees, and the western states deal with immigration from Mexico.
It is what it is.
BTW, I expect terrorism to utilize the lax borders with Canada, if they need to, tho from what I read last week, the FBI knows of Al Quaeda cells in the US but cant do anything about them because they've broken no laws.
There is no easy answer to any of it.

Originally Posted by SuzzannaSuch

So what? People do what they must to feed a hungry child who is crying from the pain of hunger. I don't condemn them, I pray for them. Walk a mile in their shoes and then remember the 2nd commandment.

We have homeless people who have hungry children, who are citizens and if they went into a grocery store and stole food they would be arrested for shoplifting because it is against the law. Being from another country does not mean our laws do not apply to them.

Ovr, g'morning,
I am curious about what you think the answer to immigration is. I know that here in NJ we really don't have a problem with it at all, as we're not a border state. The bulk, like nearly 100%, is not done by illegals here.
It's really easy for me to sit here and say the answer is to just adjust to them being here, but in all fairness, I should try and see things from the perspective of those who have their daily lives infringed upon by it.

Seeing as how we're in a crisis I don't see how we can realistically send them all back home. I have also read on C-SPAN or wherever, that once the babyboomers retire they will create a vacuum in the workforce (and on Medicare) that will need filling. Many feel the illegals, once they are legals, will fill those roles. Somehow it's been figured out we don't have enuf kids to fill them.
why they don't stop outsourcing and bring those jobs back, I don't know other than to say it's too costly. So, maybe the job answer isn't going to be in bringing back outsourced jobs, but creating new careers with new jobs?
I wish I had the answer.
A lot of immigrants are on Welfare, yet the welfare system has holes in it, so that's something we need to fix. Look at the FLDS folks, they abuse the system also, and are it's greatest contributors in those states where polygamy is rampant.
It's beyond me how an illegal has a house or a car, unless they have a visa. Somehow that doesn't seem right.
I don't know how we should deal with any of it, no answer comes without troubles or great cost. Do we send back everyone including the kids we've let become citizens?

Originally Posted by GardenGirl

Ovr, g'morning,
I am curious about what you think the answer to immigration is. I know that here in NJ we really don't have a problem with it at all, as we're not a border state. The bulk, like nearly 100%, is not done by illegals here.
It's really easy for me to sit here and say the answer is to just adjust to them being here, but in all fairness, I should try and see things from the perspective of those who have their daily lives infringed upon by it.

Seeing as how we're in a crisis I don't see how we can realistically send them all back home. I have also read on C-SPAN or wherever, that once the babyboomers retire they will create a vacuum in the workforce (and on Medicare) that will need filling. Many feel the illegals, once they are legals, will fill those roles. Somehow it's been figured out we don't have enuf kids to fill them.
why they don't stop outsourcing and bring those jobs back, I don't know other than to say it's too costly. So, maybe the job answer isn't going to be in bringing back outsourced jobs, but creating new careers with new jobs?
I wish I had the answer.
A lot of immigrants are on Welfare, yet the welfare system has holes in it, so that's something we need to fix. Look at the FLDS folks, they abuse the system also, and are it's greatest contributors in those states where polygamy is rampant.
It's beyond me how an illegal has a house or a car, unless they have a visa. Somehow that doesn't seem right.
I don't know how we should deal with any of it, no answer comes without troubles or great cost. Do we send back everyone including the kids we've let become citizens?

Hello GardenGirl,
I do believe anyone here illegally needs to be sent back home and for several reasons. First because they broke the law. Second because there are those who have followed the process to enter our country legally who are still waiting to come here and to let those who didn't go through the process stay is unfair to those who have respected our laws. Third those who are here illegally have not gone through the medical screening to be checked for diseases that exist in third world countries, just imagine if a parent has some airborne disease and gives it to their child and their child is in the same class room as your child or my child or any one's child.
I live less than 2 hours from the border of Mexico, our schools are over crowded, teachers who were close to retirement have lost their jobs because they were not bilingual teachers. Illegal immigrants do not pay for their children to attend school but yet we still have to not only provide an education for them but we also provide breakfast and lunch and after school programs. In California more than 20,000 teachers and staff are getting layoff notices due to the budget crisis. Our Governor is planning on cutting $4.8 billion from the states education fund. In the county I live in we have more foreclosures than any other state. Our unemployment rate is 7.7% that's the highest it has ever been since 1996. We also have the highest population of illegal immigrants.
In my opinion we would not have this problem if our immigration laws were enforced. If we need jobs filled we have 8 or 9 visa programs. We are not hurting because we dont have enough people to fill jobs we are hurting because we have to many here illegally who are willing to work for less than minimum wage and are taking jobs not only from American citizens but also from those here legally on work visas.
In my opinion we need to secure our ports and borders, enforce our laws and then we can reform our immigration process and those who have ignored our laws need to go to the back of the line and wait their turn in their own country.

I have learned this year that just because something is not at your back door, it's still a relevant issue. I never thought about universal healthcare until my husband had a heart attack and a subsequent open heart surgery. He was 49, and we were insured. Still and all, it's cost us over 30k in non-coverable stuff.
Same with immigration. It's not an issue I personally deal with, we in NJ remain enamoured with them as they work hard and have well-behaved children who are so cute.
I must say I agree with the fact that the rules and laws arent' being followed. I have no idea why, I don't even know why Cuban's are allowed to stay if they make a toe touch sand in Florida. I don't know why we have the anchor babies allowed to actually do the anchoring, seems to me the laws regarding them only add to the problem.
Over here we hear that the border's by you are impossible to enforce, we have that in Canada too, but we're mostly concerned about terrorists than anybody else.
I don't know how much it would be to send them back, but do you think if they stayed we could get them into a better welfare to work program? Wouldn't it cost tons of cash we don't have to send them back? And, what about their babies, if they're citizens now, what do we do with them, put them all into foster care? That's a pricey solution too.
Sounds like we need to tighten the borders, reform welfare etc,. but I don't know what's best with regards to those all ready here.
What a mess.

GardenGirl I hope your husband is doing better. I know how expensive medical costs can be without insurance and paying those bills take a life time. When illegal immigrants use our hospitals and dont have insurance either we the tax payers pay for their bill or the hospital ends up having to close their doors for good. 69 hospitals here in California have shut their doors for good.
I dont know how much it costs to deport them since if our laws were enforced and every employer had to use the E-Verify system I believe a lot of illegal immigrants would leave on their own, but if we were to let them stay and give them amnesty it would cost us the tax payers at least $2.6 Trillion http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1490.cfm
Having a baby born in this country does not mean the parents should be able to stay.

Hi Ovr,
Hubby's back to work and getting there, but it's a long haul. The heart healthy diet is difficult to adjust to, and any 'cheating' can't be hidden as his ankles will swell a little. I am diligent with the diet, but long for a slice of pizza, which we've not had since Super Bowl Weekend!! I'm just so grateful he's alive, he dodged a bullet for sure. Tim Russert, not so lucky.
I asked a few locals here what they thought about immigration, not the least of whom was my mother, a very left-wing Democrat. I thought she would yak about amnesty, but instead she said it's a real problem and needs to be addressed.
She thinks there needs to be a wall or whatever built and has no idea why it's never been done yet. She thinks the entire welfare and hospital billing system needs to be overhauled and, just like we had to pay back a week of unemployment due to an overpay, illegals should be billed/sued etc. She mentioned some area of the country that was in the news earlier this year that needs workers for pulling crops, she forgot which state, and she indicated that maybe there needs to be a way to send them to these depressed areas that are looking for help, and then demand they become citizens, and quickly at that.
She also reminded me that there is an illegal problem in Chicago with Irish, some 14,000 of them are there, coming in through Canada I presume.
Our entire policy needs a revamp, and you have made me realize there are GaJillion dollars roaming around out there that we could be using more efficiently.
Why do we never elect an economist to be President, I wonder??

[Annie143]

Ditto to everything Ovr and GG have said here. And the current two candidates have dodged the bullet on illegal immigration and will do nothing about it.

Lets go after the legislatures and vote out people who have voted for illegal immigrates if we have a choice.

I am mad about this and have been for several years but I am only one voice faxing, telephoning, marching, etc. Sometimes I get discouraged.

[Details]

Originally Posted by SuzzannaSuch

So what? People do what they must to feed a hungry child who is crying from the pain of hunger. I don't condemn them, I pray for them. Walk a mile in their shoes and then remember the 2nd commandment.

They give coyotes a few hundred to a thousand dollars to be brought here - that's not people who cannot afford to feed their children. It's people making an investment they hope will make them more money.

GardenGirl I am so happy to hear that your husband is doing good. That had to be a scary time for you. Now every time I have Dominos pizza I will think of you
Your mom is a wise woman!!!! Our country is in a lot of trouble and it scares me to think that if we don't do something to stop this then what kind of country will we be leaving for our children and grandchildren. We owe it to them to do what we can to make sure that they are left with the same country our grandparents left for us.

Annie I know how you feel since sometimes I feel discouraged too but then I think back to how it was the citizens who stopped the last 2 amnesty bills and that reminds me that I am not the only one upset by the issue of illegal immigration.

[Details]

To GardenGirl's question:

The economic crisis and illegal immigration are tightly linked. Take the jobs away from illegals, and our economy will improve as our citizens can get jobs, as the job market tightens enough to raise salaries, as we don't have to pay welfare to the unemployed, as the newly employed citizens have money to spend, as their salaries are spent in our stores rather than in sending it back to Mexico.

Many illegals will go home on their own - as has already happened. Providing a ride to others will be cost effective - every plane ticket for an illegal family means thousands less in school, hospital, police, and other costs, as well as new jobs open for our citizens that we no longer need to pay unemployment and welfare for. That plane ticket home is a great bargain!

[Carol25]

Originally Posted by Details

To GardenGirl's question:

The economic crisis and illegal immigration are tightly linked. Take the jobs away from illegals, and our economy will improve as our citizens can get jobs, as the job market tightens enough to raise salaries, as we don't have to pay welfare to the unemployed, as the newly employed citizens have money to spend, as their salaries are spent in our stores rather than in sending it back to Mexico.

Many illegals will go home on their own - as has already happened. Providing a ride to others will be cost effective - every plane ticket for an illegal family means thousands less in school, hospital, police, and other costs, as well as new jobs open for our citizens that we no longer need to pay unemployment and welfare for. That plane ticket home is a great bargain!

If the ride home was provided by the offending employer it would BE very cost effective, now wouldn't it? Not only would the offending employer be forced to provide that ride to the employee, but his family as well! At this point, I believe there would be a great many unemployed illegals walking home!

Now there's a law that should be passed!

[Details]

Originally Posted by Carol25

If the ride home was provided by the offending employer it would BE very cost effective, now wouldn't it? Not only would the offending employer be forced to provide that ride to the employee, but his family as well! At this point, I believe there would be a great many unemployed illegals walking home!

Now there's a law that should be passed!

Ah, now let's not let that offending employer get off that easy - a fine that is substantially higher than the benefit the employer has gotten all these years by hiring illegals is what there should be. The ticket home would be a cheap out for them, compared to that.

[Carol25]

Originally Posted by Details

Ah, now let's not let that offending employer get off that easy - a fine that is substantially higher than the benefit the employer has gotten all these years by hiring illegals is what there should be. The ticket home would be a cheap out for them, compared to that.

Ah, but you are assuming they have but a few illegal immigrant employees. I am assumming the have a hundred or more. Then add to that, they have to raise their wages to the going rate and have union representation in their workplace.

So, say 100 employees with 3 children and a wife (family of 5) at $200 a ticket, would be a $1000 per employee... yes, that's cheap! That would be only $100,000. Okay, finding the national average for the wage, then let's add an additional $10.00 an hour. That better? Plus benefits. Better now? Of course arresting the owner for breaking the law.

Oh, oh. Now someone has to buy the Company. Credit is tight. Back to the drawing board....

[Carol25]

Originally Posted by SuzzannaSuch

So what? People do what they must to feed a hungry child who is crying from the pain of hunger. I don't condemn them, I pray for them. Walk a mile in their shoes and then remember the 2nd commandment.

Suzzanna, you have a good heart. But you must realize that those who choose to bring their children illegally through a border put their child at risk of danger. Do you not care of what they are doing there? Would you risk your child's life and put them in danger that way? Certainly we know there is food in that country. They must work very hard to get it, but it is there. I would rather work very hard to get food for my child that put his life in jeopardy.

Other's have paid good money to get them and their families to this country to get "the good life." Again to earn more money and reap the rewards we have here. But still they are at risk. The money they paid would be spent on food for their children for quite a long time. In the meantime the could wait and come over legally. Never to worry about hiding from anyone.

I love children very much, but I don't relate well to those who put them in danger.

[Details]

Originally Posted by Carol25

Ah, but you are assuming they have but a few illegal immigrant employees. I am assumming the have a hundred or more. Then add to that, they have to raise their wages to the going rate and have union representation in their workplace.

So, say 100 employees with 3 children and a wife (family of 5) at $200 a ticket, would be a $1000 per employee... yes, that's cheap! That would be only $100,000. Okay, finding the national average for the wage, then let's add an additional $10.00 an hour. That better? Plus benefits. Better now? Of course arresting the owner for breaking the law.

Oh, oh. Now someone has to buy the Company. Credit is tight. Back to the drawing board....

I don't mind someone who has built a company on the basis of illegal operations losing their company. Better if it can be salvaged, and giving them time to pay the penalty is appropriate - but for decades now, this company has been profiting, and gaining an unfair advantage over it's ethical competitors - the penalty should not be light.

There is no accountability with the companies that hire them. What kind of BS system is that?
They are more than happy to get the low-cost help, but that should only be allowed if there's a real shortage of American workers. What's our unemployment?
The whole system's a mess, and, I think, might be a cash cow, tho none of us are getting the milk.
This is why Dems are more for a Federal system for some of this stuff, just to mainstream it all...........
O. I can't wait to find out how many dollars are going down the proverbial drain as it slips through the govt's fingers.

I want to start a Presidential election thread over here. Someone tattled on me and I was put in time-out, and CW forgot to reinstall me. Do you think she'll be mad at me?
Prolly.
GG