SUNDAY,OCTOBER 5th, TRIAL DISCUSSION

[callmetree]

here we go. good morning all hope we are all nice today!

[callmetree]

i'm happy to say i'll be taking a rest from the discussions today. going to the beach and tonight i get to go watch my beloved pittsburg steelers play just hope they win!! WOO HOO

[kellabeck]

The 13-connection is so eerie and to think it all happened in Vegas!!

The armed robbery-- 13th of September
Days of trial -- 13
Hours of deliberations -- 13
Years since unjust acquittal 13 to the day!!

I just love it.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_w...impson_ve.html

[caphill]

This article says it all.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081004/D93JVED80.html

" This case against Simpson was won the moment the jury was chosen", according to the consultant who helped prosecution pick the panel.

[caphill]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081005/D93K36180.html

Many of the jury panel admitted they disagreed with the acquittal verdict and some admitted they agreed with the civil trial verdict. There was no way they could separate and set aside those emotions and feelings about OJ.

The jury was stacked and packed for a payback verdict, IMO.

Originally Posted by caphill

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081005/D93K36180.html

Many of the jury panel admitted they disagreed with the acquittal verdict and some admitted they agreed with the civil trial verdict. There was no way they could separate and set aside those emotions and feelings about OJ.

The jury was stacked and packed for a payback verdict, IMO.

And, one juror personally felt OJ was innocent of the double murders.

[caphill]

Originally Posted by RGG

And, one juror personally felt OJ was innocent of the double murders.

Or so they said.

Originally Posted by caphill

Or so they said.

I thought that was part of their answers while under oath and to be considered for jury duty? It's doubtful many folks would lie and knowingly commit perjury.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Me such a Dumb Dora this morning..got confused and posted on other thread....so brought over my post from this morning..I thought (LOL) it was so insightful too...Hee hee

It crosses my mind reading this that Scotto has assumed the same persona as all Simpson groupies!! They talk the talk...but dont walk the walk. These people try to prove a negative, and actually believe (???) their own spin and lies. Scotto must know (deep down) there are no witnesses that can come foreward to change the truth of the matter...yet for some reason think just by stating it makes it so..How delusional is that...must be sad to live like that...The very foundation of truth, honesty and trust is missing..so they have built their houses on sand, slowly sinking into the quadmire of lies, deceit and manipulation.. rather sad to me

Dont get me wrong, I dont have sympathy for any of them (except Cashmore) as they have made their unholy bed, infested with snakes, fleas and waste products ( cant say what I want..lol) they eventually end up losers..Just look at where Christy Prody is now..??

LMS
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I was responding to a post referring to Scotto's mission of finding witnesses to come foreward and tell the truth..???LOL


LMS

Originally Posted by caphill

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081005/D93K36180.html

Many of the jury panel admitted they disagreed with the acquittal verdict and some admitted they agreed with the civil trial verdict. There was no way they could separate and set aside those emotions and feelings about OJ.

The jury was stacked and packed for a payback verdict, IMO.

What OJ and his thugs did was illegal. No doubt. It's not the jury's fault, it's OJ's sense of entitlement that caused him to be where he is.

You can whine all day about that, but this verdict won't be overturned. The world is finally safe from OJ. imo

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Originally Posted by kellabeck

The 13-connection is so eerie and to think it all happened in Vegas!!

The armed robbery-- 13th of September
Days of trial -- 13
Hours of deliberations -- 13
Years since unjust acquittal 13 to the day!!

I just love it.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_w...impson_ve.html

There's another one to add..

Verdict date---10 (month) 3rd (day)....yiks! (10+3)

LMS

Originally Posted by kellabeck

The 13-connection is so eerie and to think it all happened in Vegas!!

The armed robbery-- 13th of September
Days of trial -- 13
Hours of deliberations -- 13
Years since unjust acquittal 13 to the day!!

I just love it.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_w...impson_ve.html

Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

There's another one to add..

Verdict date---10 (month) 3rd (day)....yiks! (10+3)

LMS

Divine intervention. There's no way anyone can blame the jury for all that. imo

Originally Posted by Joan Weiss

Divine intervention. There's no way anyone can blame the jury for all that. imo

I think that OJ was guilty of killing those two people, but I really believe I could have been a fair juror in this case. In fact, imo the man was treated badly by the general public after the acquittal.

It's really very sad to me... he got a second chance to be a decent person, and he blew it. I didn't hear much about the robbery until it came to trial, so I listened carefully to the evidence, and I would have had to vote guilty this time. The only thing that is bothering me about it is that his so-called friends turned against him, and they will not serve much time, if any at all. The stuff was not his, it was not stolen (though he might have believed it was), and he did plan the whole thing and bring weapons....... no doubt in my mind about any of that.

And, yes, I'm white, so my opinion doesn't count, I guess, when the defendant is a person of color. Too bad they couldn't find 12 black ex-football greats who were also actors and who had killed their wives. Then he would have had a jury of his peers. jmo

[callmetree]

Originally Posted by Citygirl

No matter who thought he was guilty or not guilty of the murders..
as soon a the tape with his voice on it..was played..sayin what he did ..
the trial was over..guilty..
no better evidence in the world than bein caught on tape.

home for awhile and had to stop by. i totally agree with you citygirl.

[callmetree]

Originally Posted by Joan Weiss

What OJ and his thugs did was illegal. No doubt. It's not the jury's fault, it's OJ's sense of entitlement that caused him to be where he is.

You can whine all day about that, but this verdict won't be overturned. The world is finally safe from OJ. imo

this in my opinion is a VERY good thing.

[callmetree]

Originally Posted by warrkat

I think that OJ was guilty of killing those two people, but I really believe I could have been a fair juror in this case. In fact, imo the man was treated badly by the general public after the acquittal.

It's really very sad to me... he got a second chance to be a decent person, and he blew it. I didn't hear much about the robbery until it came to trial, so I listened carefully to the evidence, and I would have had to vote guilty this time. The only thing that is bothering me about it is that his so-called friends turned against him, and they will not serve much time, if any at all. The stuff was not his, it was not stolen (though he might have believed it was), and he did plan the whole thing and bring weapons....... no doubt in my mind about any of that.

And, yes, I'm white, so my opinion doesn't count, I guess, when the defendant is a person of color. Too bad they couldn't find 12 black ex-football greats who were also actors and who had killed their wives. Then he would have had a jury of his peers. jmo

great post warrkat! the only thing i disagree with is that in my heart i could not in all honesty say i could seperate the two trials. as far as him being treated bad ,he brought alot of that on himself. JMOO

[fbgweezer]

good morning everyone. Has anyone read the transcripts of the tapes? and, if you have, were you surprised at how many times reference was made to yale?

also, anyone have a link to a transcript of the mcclintin (sp) tape?

[Cornblossom]

When I disagreed with the first verdict,I was told to get over it,accept the jury decision,the jury has spoken................

Originally Posted by callmetree

great post warrkat! the only thing i disagree with is that in my heart i could not in all honesty say i could seperate the two trials. as far as him being treated bad ,he brought alot of that on himself. JMOO

I really think I could. When he did the murders, I SO wanted him to be not guilty, but the evidence was there....... he did it. Don't really remember what convinced me; probably the DNA.

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

good morning everyone. Has anyone read the transcripts of the tapes? and, if you have, were you surprised at how many times reference was made to yale?
also, anyone have a link to a transcript of the mcclintin (sp) tape?

This one?
http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/medi...transcript.pdf

If that's not the one - check the media page - all the tapes are there:
http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media.html

Also - some new items added for the rest of you folks - like the Juror Questionnaire Forms etc...some of their answers are FUNNY

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Originally Posted by snowbird01

Alot of people's actions my be looked into - Galanter, Lucarini (sp?) for 2. Mike Gilbert says he's ready to take his medicine - now that he has milked some of what he can out of his book....though sales have increased since his appearance on Dr. Phil!
Note: it came out on the Dr. Phil show that despite the fact that the flyleaf on Mike's book says the proceeds all go to charity - in fact only about 20% goes to charity.

Who else do we think will get getting a closer look from LE?

I am just speculating here, but just what we've heard in this trial alone, I would think Scotto, Beardsley, Fromong, Galanter & Co., plus others..Follow the paper trail, follow the timeline of various events, check out 3rd and 4th party affiliations..pseudo "Corporations"..liasons to these Corporations..very fertile ground. But it's not so much LE..but the Feds and Taxman (IRS) who need to look into dealings this past decade or so!!

Where there is smoke..there's fire....But it all is a huge "Can of Worms" who get intertwined with each other..so will take time to sort out truth from deceit/lies..

LMS

[callmetree]

Originally Posted by warrkat

I really think I could. When he did the murders, I SO wanted him to be not guilty, but the evidence was there....... he did it. Don't really remember what convinced me; probably the DNA.

when the muders first happened i didn't want to think he had anything to do with them. i think what really turned me was when he had his ride in the white bronco. i also didn't know he had abused his wife. i REALLY used to like him as a person and football player. i can't actually put into words here what i think of him now. it's not good though.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Originally Posted by snowbird01

good thoughts.
Now I wonder whether any government entities have the budget and manpower to follow thru on any or all of that - or will it have to be the private attorneys of the Brown family and/or the Goldmans.
Whooeee - going to be expensive to unravel all that, isn't it?

Once again, I am only speculating, but I think a good place to start would be to audit Yale's accounting firm..His whole client list has been OJ for the past 8 years..tho if like here in Canada..I think they can only go back 7 years. I am sure Yale's trust accounts need to be explored for balancing, credits and debits and where the trail leads to..It is not easy to hide things when looked at forensically...Many Big Name Accounting Firms have been exposed!! just in the past few years (wont name names tho).

Thats why Cash Business companies are difficult to nail down..That's of course the business entities OJ has been affiliating with this past decade. So much money can be moved about, launderd, transfered under the table and so on. This money movement can only get caught when caught in act..suerveillanced, taped, witnessed11 Yowza..kind of like what happened in this caper..Taped, witnessed!! Caught, booked, charged, tried and convicted...of course if you chose to plead out and ask for mercy, then penalties arent so severe.

LMS

[fbgweezer]

Originally Posted by RGG

This one?
http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/medi...transcript.pdf

If that's not the one - check the media page - all the tapes are there:
http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media.html

Also - some new items added for the rest of you folks - like the Juror Questionnaire Forms etc...some of their answers are FUNNY

thank you! for the excellent reference page.

[fbgweezer]

Originally Posted by snowbird01

good thoughts.
Now I wonder whether any government entities have the budget and manpower to follow thru on any or all of that - or will it have to be the private attorneys of the Brown family and/or the Goldmans.
Whooeee - going to be expensive to unravel all that, isn't it?

but oh so interesting and could be very, very profitable. like who was there the night rockingham was packed up, where it all went, and which lawyer took the bentley as partial payment, etc.

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

thank you! for the excellent reference page.

Glad you enjoy it. If you're keen on it, you can note the jurors names are listed and then link them up to their Questionnaire forms. I forgot which one was floor person - number 7???

[Cornblossom]

Originally Posted by RGG

Glad you enjoy it. If you're keen on it, you can note the jurors names are listed and then link them up to their Questionnaire forms. I forgot which one was floor person - number 7???

#3 foreperson I thought

[QueeeenBeeee]

Originally Posted by kellabeck

The 13-connection is so eerie and to think it all happened in Vegas!!

The armed robbery-- 13th of September
Days of trial -- 13
Hours of deliberations -- 13
Years since unjust acquittal 13 to the day!!

I just love it.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_w...impson_ve.html

Hello everyone!

And we can add to this list the fact that Ron and Nicole's bodies were discovered on June 13th



13?? Not a good number for oj

[QueeeenBeeee]

Originally Posted by RGG

And, one juror personally felt OJ was innocent of the double murders.

Hi!

Yes, and I do believe it was the mechanical engineer, the foreperson!

I'm sorry I don't have a link at my fingertips right now, but i did read this just this morning......

so I'll add imo............

[Cornblossom]

Originally Posted by QueeeenBeeee

Hi!

Yes, and I do believe it was the mechanical engineer, the foreperson!

I'm sorry I don't have a link at my fingertips right now, but i did read this just this morning......

so I'll add imo............

#7 did not feel his guilt was proven in trial 1 and she didn't think he should have been tried in the civil suit because it negates the first trial.

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/medi...stions/007.PDF

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

thank you! for the excellent reference page.

I probably messed you up with the wrong McClinton tape:
http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/medi...transcript.pdf

so sorry.

Originally Posted by Cornblossom

#7 did not feel his guilt was proven in trial 1 and she didn't think he should have been tried in the civil suit because it negates the first trial.

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/medi...stions/007.PDF

Oh me, oh my. I've only looked at nmbr 1 and 7. Guess I'll wait for somebody smarter to figure it out.

[fbgweezer]

so on the tapes they talk about having signed affidavits for the civil trial that they didn't have any of orenthal's stuff, didn't help hide any of orenthal's stuff, and didn't know where any of orenthal's stuff was but also talked about the night rockingham was packed up and the stuff hidden: can they be in legal trouble now with that court? how about fromong's testimony in the civil trial on orenthal's behalf?

and orenthal talks about that night and where all the stuff went. other than saying the place 'looked less congested' does anyone know if he ever reported anything stolen? can he be charged with perjury and hiding assets?

[fbgweezer]

Originally Posted by RGG

I probably messed you up with the wrong McClinton tape:
http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/medi...transcript.pdf

so sorry.

if you did, I didn't know it this one had the conversation about the gun and that's what I was looking for. was there more than one mcclinton tape?

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

so on the tapes they talk about having signed affidavits for the civil trial that they didn't have any of orenthal's stuff, didn't help hide any of orenthal's stuff, and didn't know where any of orenthal's stuff was but also talked about the night rockingham was packed up and the stuff hidden: can they be in legal trouble now with that court? how about fromong's testimony in the civil trial on orenthal's behalf?

and orenthal talks about that night and where all the stuff went. other than saying the place 'looked less congested' does anyone know if he ever reported anything stolen? can he be charged with perjury and hiding assets?

THEY? Who is doing the talking? I thought OJ was gone from his house when Arnelle, Gilbert and whomever else heard the law was coming to confiscate OJ's belongings for Goldman....and they packed up stuff and skedaddled?

Or am I talking oranges and apples here?

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

if you did, I didn't know it this one had the conversation about the gun and that's what I was looking for. was there more than one mcclinton tape?

Oh - so glad you got the one you were looking for. When you pull up the link with all the transcripts/audio - most of them belong to Ricco - the Michael McClinton is this one (side B) http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/medi...transcript.pdf

[fbgweezer]

Originally Posted by RGG

THEY? Who is doing the talking? I thought OJ was gone from his house when Arnelle, Gilbert and whomever else heard the law was coming to confiscate OJ's belongings for Goldman....and they packed up stuff and skedaddled?

Or am I talking oranges and apples here?

sorry -- I wasn't clear: I assumed it was fromong talking about himself, gilbert and the other associates -- to include lawyers. orenthal says that that night was 'the last time' he saw his stuff -- so I assumed he was there. wonder if anyone ever found out who tipped rockingham that the stuff was going to be confiscated. . . .

[Cornblossom]

Originally Posted by QueeeenBeeee

Thank you Ms. Corny!! You're the hostest with the mostest links

and on a personal note, hope you're well my friend.....I've missed yall!

Too busy with CASA........meeting myself coming and going

I'd feel better if the Cubs had made it to the World series(I hear hell will freeze over if they ever do LMAO)but can't complain LOL Nice to see you. Someone else deserves the link credit..I just happened finished reading #7 when I read your post.

Originally Posted by forensicpsy

Simpson will be serving his time at High Desert State Prison in Nevada.

I'm looking for something official but cannot find it - where did you see that High Desert will be his destination?
Here's all I found (so far):
SIC:
"Nevada CO wrote on October 04, 2008 02:28 AM: Most of you would like to know how Mr. Simpson’s first day will be in the Nevada Department of Corrections.

It will begin at the Clark County Detention Center in Las Vegas. He with eleven souls will be leaving CCDC in a Blue Van. He will be in restraints but not buckled onto a bench seat. The van will depart CCDS in the late afternoon and arrive about 40 minutes later at the intake center at High Desert State Prison.

He along with the others will be greeted in the “Intake Center”. He will be stripped out and given an Orange Jumpsuit to identify by staff as well as fellow inmates of there arrival. After being fingerprinted and photographed they will be escorted to the “Fish Tank” where he will be housed. Due to his celebrity status he will be classified for Administrative segregation better knows as “PC” for his own protection.

He will be fed his first meal as a inmate with the Nevada Department of Corrections. Lights out will be at 2100. Mr. Simpson will be getting a lower bunk for medical reason. "

from this site:http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=2&gl=us

and here:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10052008...ice_132226.htm

however, it all sounds speculative to me at this point.

Now this is NOT going to go over well, at all! I doubt anyone would see this as just:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008...enced-more-16/

Even if OJ and or CJ are segregated, this is nothing America needs as we try to heal so many wounds of our multi-races!