Wednesday, October 1 Discussion

[AnnInOhio]

Here we go. Welcome to the juice legal bar.

Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

Here we go. Welcome to the juice legal bar.

Good morning Ann. (FYI...that's my middle name)

I need to get in a workout before testimony begins but I'll be back.

Originally Posted by Kara

Good morning Ann. (FYI...that's my middle name)

I need to get in a workout before testimony begins but I'll be back.

My middle name, too, but with an E, like Anne of Green Gables.
The bridegroom is supposed to testify today, I think.

[JBL]

Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

Here we go. Welcome to the juice legal bar.

1 OJ in a "can" please.

Morning all. My drink of choice this morning will have to be coffee, and maybe some toast.

So, next is Thomas Scotto and possibly detective Caldwell once again, or did they scratch Caldwell?

[JBL]

Not sure if Yales bringing back Caldwell or not. He did tell Caldwell to be available or something to that nature but after Grasso's flopping bore of a cross who knows. Yale stated to the Judge they only have 1 left so we'll see.

Bryson said they had 5

[AnnInOhio]

Originally Posted by JBL

1 OJ in a "can" please.

They're working on that!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Good Morning everybody, Just like a bad penny, I turn up along with the lint in your pocket...LOL

Anyway, I hear that Scotto is going to be the witness on the stand today, and will be speaking to his interactions with the "Flipped" fellow conspirators...Probably to do with seeking money for legal representation...If that be the case, I just wonder how the jury will look at this.. For example, these guys got into this mess because of OJ and their association with OJ and since they didnt have finances to pay for lawyers, why not ask for some help or backing to get legal advice/ representation. I really dont blame them, the old saying "But for OJ" they wouldnt be in this mess!!

Am I the only one who feels that way/

LMS

[AnnInOhio]

Well they just clarified something for me on TruTV that I didn't fully understand Monday. I wasn't sure why the judge wouldn't allow Beardsley to testify to what OJ said to him after the incident (I noticed Yale did not try to say it wasn't being asked for the truth, but to clarify Beardsley's state of mind). Yale was attempting to show OJ wasn't trying to slant Beardlsey's testimony. Beth says it was because we are now on the defense case and if the defense wants to get in statements by Simpson they have to put OJ on the stand.

Scotto will be the next witness.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Originally Posted by JBL

Not sure if Yales bringing back Caldwell or not. He did tell Caldwell to be available or something to that nature but after Grasso's flopping bore of a cross who knows. Yale stated to the Judge they only have 1 left so we'll see.

Bryson said they had 5

JBL, I think I heard that because Bryson and Co. plan on calling Caldwell, that they (Yale/Grasso) would defer to them to call him.but will still get a chace to question him..Right?...Wrong??? Also, Scotto ony OJ witness left, obviously OJ not going to testify. and not sure if Mr. Roger's has any rebuttal case????

LMS

[JBL]

Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

Good Morning everybody, Just like a bad penny, I turn up along with the lint in your pocket...LOL

Anyway, I hear that Scotto is going to be the witness on the stand today, and will be speaking to his interactions with the "Flipped" fellow conspirators...Probably to do with seeking money for legal representation...If that be the case, I just wonder how the jury will look at this.. For example, these guys got into this mess because of OJ and their association with OJ and since they didnt have finances to pay for lawyers, why not ask for some help or backing to get legal advice/ representation. I really dont blame them, the old saying "But for OJ" they wouldnt be in this mess!!

Am I the only one who feels that way/

LMS

ITA!

I immediately took that message as I already spilled everything and told the truth but I'll sway it in your favor if you help fund a defense for me.

[AnnInOhio]

Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

Good Morning everybody, Just like a bad penny, I turn up along with the lint in your pocket...LOL

Anyway, I hear that Scotto is going to be the witness on the stand today, and will be speaking to his interactions with the "Flipped" fellow conspirators...Probably to do with seeking money for legal representation...If that be the case, I just wonder how the jury will look at this.. For example, these guys got into this mess because of OJ and their association with OJ and since they didnt have finances to pay for lawyers, why not ask for some help or backing to get legal advice/ representation. I really dont blame them, the old saying "But for OJ" they wouldnt be in this mess!!

Am I the only one who feels that way/

LMS

I'm with you. Even if I had money for my own attorney I'd be going back on OJ to recoup my expenses if he got me into that mess. Maybe they'll all sue OJ in civil court if he skates on this!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

I'm with you. Even if I had money for my own attorney I'd be going back on OJ to recoup my expenses if he got me into that mess. Maybe they'll all sue OJ in civil court if he skates on this!

There is one fly in the ointment tho, as why would all these grown men cop a plea and admit wrong doing, if they didnt do anything wrong...I can see a kid, getting scared or confused during interroation, but no these savy guys who have been around the block a few times!!!..Course I leave Cashmore out of that equation..IMO

The jury must have to ask themselves something along those lines dont you think?

LMS

[AnnInOhio]

Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

There is one fly in the ointment tho, as why would all these grown men cop a plea and admit wrong doing, if they didnt do anything wrong...I can see a kid, getting scared or confused during interroation, but no these savy guys who have been around the block a few times!!!..Course I leave Cashmore out of that equation..IMO

The jury must have to ask themselves something along those lines dont you think?

LMS

Just as Riccio conned OJ, OJ conned his co-defendants. He made them believe nobody would dare call the police, they weren't doing anything illegal, they were on solid footing because the "stuff" was OJ's. OJ told them he wanted his personal stuff back. After the fact they realized they had been duped. The guys with "OJ's stuff" didn't see it the way OJ did and called the cops. They saw themselves on hotel video on TV. They were had and the cops were going to have them dead-to-rights.

[JBL]

Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

I'm with you. Even if I had money for my own attorney I'd be going back on OJ to recoup my expenses if he got me into that mess. Maybe they'll all sue OJ in civil court if he skates on this!

CJ apologized and offered to spot Cashmore and McClinton to go with his lawyer. Cashmore saw the red flags in doing that and then we hear from McClinton that the Luccerini team's defense was going to be there were NO GUNS!

Sounds like they were being offered help out of the frying pan and into the fire.

[AnnInOhio]

Originally Posted by JBL

CJ apologized and offered to spot Cashmore and McClinton to go with his lawyer. Cashmore saw the red flags in doing that and then we hear from McClinton that the Luccerini team's defense was going to be there were NO GUNS!

Sounds like they were being offered help out of the frying pan and into the fire.

CJ offered more than OJ did! I think it says something about Cashmore and McClinton's character (or maybe legal savvy) to be unwilling to go down the No Guns defense road.

[JBL]

Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

Just as Riccio conned OJ, OJ conned his co-defendants. He made them believe nobody would dare call the police, they weren't doing anything illegal, they were on solid footing because the "stuff" was OJ's. OJ told them he wanted his personal stuff back. After the fact they realized they had been duped. The guys with "OJ's stuff" didn't see it the way OJ did and called the cops. They saw themselves on hotel video on TV. They were had and the cops were going to have them dead-to-rights.

I'm still on the fence and totter back and forth regarding Riccio. Riccio called OJ with what he had and offered to help get it back if he signed some books for him. Not what I call being conned.

Personally I don't think Beardsley has any pictures of family and Beardsley was pulling the con to make it more "personal". There has been no proof other then Beardsley word that these exist and he can access them. He's recently elluded to the fact that it was not Gilbert who had possession of them to begin with. Gilbert was the only one missing from that room and all along the pictures were said not to be there because Gilbert wasn't there due to a push up of the "sting operation".

Also all of OJ's talk to everyone had to do with retrieving expensive memorbilia and never about I want my personal family's pictures history my childhood growing up back. NEVER.

All the testimony from the defendants only talked about the price of the marketable collectors gameballs and such.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Originally Posted by JBL

CJ apologized and offered to spot Cashmore and McClinton to go with his lawyer. Cashmore saw the red flags in doing that and then we hear from McClinton that the Luccerini team's defense was going to be there were NO GUNS!

Sounds like they were being offered help out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Leaving Cashmore out of the equation, I agree in that they also knew what side their bread was buttered on...I think just knew it would be a lose...lose situation for them..and I'm not sure, but werent they talking long before those audio tapes came into the mix...What a mess OJ and Riccio created..!!!

LMS

[JBL]

Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

CJ offered more than OJ did! I think it says something about Cashmore and McClinton's character (or maybe legal savvy) to be unwilling to go down the No Guns defense road.

ITA again.

OJ conned everyone that this just a pick up of his legally owned possessions. He's going to go verify this stuff is his and he needs help carrying it out.

To Alexander and McClinton - Everything is legal but these guys may give him a hard time about removing it as the dealers may be packing and he wants back up.

The only conman in the picture is OJ and I'd even throw in Beardsley.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Slightly different topic..after hearing about the interviews of Gilbert and the Goldman's on Dr. Phil, I think this whole incident is going to start a Domino Effect, and OJ's hidden things are going to get exposed, along with the "Off Record" manoeuvering of Simpson assets getting investigated on a federal level..This whole thing is going to end up being a "Can of Worms"..at least that my opinion.

LMS

[AnnInOhio]

I don't understand why everyone thinks the kidnapping charge is "overcharging". Enveigling the victims into a hotel room - and not letting them leave - was an important part of this crime. They couldn't have done it in the parking lot, they couldn't have done it without luring the victims to a specific spot for the purpose of robbing them. And it had to be a spot where the victims could be contained until OJ got his "stuff".

[AnnInOhio]

Originally Posted by JBL

ITA again.

OJ conned everyone that this just a pick up of his legally owned possessions. He's going to go verify this stuff is his and he needs help carrying it out.

To Alexander and McClinton - Everything is legal but these guys may give him a hard time about removing it as the dealers may be packing and he wants back up.

The only conman in the picture is OJ and I'd even throw in Beardsley.

Well, Riccio is clearly a con man! I think he should have been charged at least as an accessory - he certainly was not the victim he attempted to portray! And I'm assuming you think Beardsley's culpability was his "after the fact" flip-flop actions?

[AnnInOhio]

Originally Posted by snowbird01

I thought I remember reading that Scotto said to Alexsander "let me know if I can do anything for you"; and then when Alexander tried to take him up on that Scotto was outraged by the request.

Just something funny: I read in the LV Review Journal that when LE went to arrest Cashmore he answered the door buck naked! That poor guy's elevator doesn't go anywhere near the top, does it?
Did we ever understand why he had to come to court the 2nd time in prison clothes and shackles?

Cashmore or Beardsley??

[AnnInOhio]

Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

Slightly different topic..after hearing about the interviews of Gilbert and the Goldman's on Dr. Phil, I think this whole incident is going to start a Domino Effect, and OJ's hidden things are going to get exposed, along with the "Off Record" manoeuvering of Simpson assets getting investigated on a federal level..This whole thing is going to end up being a "Can of Worms"..at least that my opinion.

LMS

It's always been an "open secret". I don't trust Gilbert to do anything that isn't self-serving. OJ's sister and Arnelle have probably moved a lot of the items from where they were when Gilbert hid them. Gilbert doesn't have ALL of the items. I'd like to know who his other two partners are who own the Bronco...I'm betting Yale is one! Is there a statue of limitations involved?

[AnnInOhio]

Originally Posted by snowbird01

I thought I remember reading that Scotto said to Alexsander "let me know if I can do anything for you"; and then when Alexander tried to take him up on that Scotto was outraged by the request.

Just something funny: I read in the LV Review Journal that when LE went to arrest Cashmore he answered the door buck naked! That poor guy's elevator doesn't go anywhere near the top, does it?
Did we ever understand why he had to come to court the 2nd time in prison clothes and shackles?

Scotto's being put on to try to discredit the flippers. I hope somebody asks him if he and his soon-to-be wife drove a white car that day!

[JBL]

Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

Slightly different topic..after hearing about the interviews of Gilbert and the Goldman's on Dr. Phil, I think this whole incident is going to start a Domino Effect, and OJ's hidden things are going to get exposed, along with the "Off Record" manoeuvering of Simpson assets getting investigated on a federal level..This whole thing is going to end up being a "Can of Worms"..at least that my opinion.

LMS

I still don't trust Gilbert but he does have that first domino flipped and opened that door to the Goldmans. I'm not sure how much he'll help once they get in the door.

[JBL]

Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

Scotto's being put on to try to discredit the flippers. I hope somebody asks him if he and his soon-to-be wife drove a white car that day!

I'd expect one of my kids questions in response before he answers:

Did "anyone" see me driving a white car?

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

It's always been an "open secret". I don't trust Gilbert to do anything that isn't self-serving. OJ's sister and Arnelle have probably moved a lot of the items from where they were when Gilbert hid them. Gilbert doesn't have ALL of the items. I'd like to know who his other two partners are who own the Bronco...I'm betting Yale is one! Is there a statue of limitations involved?

Statute of Limitations would not apply for his lack of paying the Civil Judgement, as it was renewed early this year, thus those pesky Derrogatories OJ signed, and renewed turnover orders to Gilbert and Fromong...I rather doubt that Beardsley got a turnover order..but could be wrong...but doubt it. OJ also owes a huge amt in back taxes, which dont go away with time either..As to Yale, he didnt come on boards until around 2000..so didnt have a hand in the original hidding of assets but most certainly manoeuvored money and deals since he took over the role of legal rep.

Gilbert seems to be going through a mass of guilt complex emotions, including he needs money to replace his lose of income from his past wheeling and dealing. I am only speculating here, but I think he may be facing his demons now, as maybe has some sort of health issues, and losses of family relationships due to his associations...I could be wrong there, but just get that sense

LMS

[JBL]

I am leary of anyone who would claim being the BFF of OJ.

They met when OJ moved down to Florida evading court orders and hiding his finances. I mean come on now.

[AnnInOhio]

Originally Posted by snowbird01

OOPS brain burp - Beardlsey - sorry about that. I'm rushing out - have to go deliver an RV to Menphis today - will be gone all day. Please don't let OJ get on that stand without me! Don't think he will, but ya never know.......LOL

Fill it full of gas before you leave!

Okay....I got my workout done and had breakfast (a heart healthy bowl of oatmeal with milk for strong bones).

I'm ready to get this show on the road.

[AnnInOhio]

Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

Statute of Limitations would not apply for his lack of paying the Civil Judgement, as it was renewed early this year, thus those pesky Derrogatories OJ signed, and renewed turnover orders to Gilbert and Fromong...I rather doubt that Beardsley got a turnover order..but could be wrong...but doubt it. OJ also owes a huge amt in back taxes, which dont go away with time either..As to Yale, he didnt come on boards until around 2000..so didnt have a hand in the original hidding of assets but most certainly manoeuvored money and deals since he took over the role of legal rep.

Gilbert seems to be going through a mass of guilt complex emotions, including he needs money to replace his lose of income from his past wheeling and dealing. I am only speculating here, but I think he may be facing his demons now, as maybe has some sort of health issues, and losses of family relationships due to his associations...I could be wrong there, but just get that sense

LMS

I mean statue of limitations on Gilbert's uncharged conspiracy to hide assets/avoid a court turnover order. If I heard OJ's voice on those tapes saying how much he hopes to get me cornered in a room somewhere I know I'd be nervous! I think he initially thought he was going to have to admit his complicity under oath on the stand and had better cover his you-know-what. I bet he's kicking his own you-know-what right now and will look for a way to climb back under a rock. Because he didn't testify, I think everything will go back to status quo. I just hope he doesn't sell many books.

[AnnInOhio]

Originally Posted by Kara

Okay....I got my workout done and had breakfast (a heart healthy bowl of oatmeal with milk for strong bones).

I'm ready to get this show on the road.

Atta girl! I thought about doing that - but guess that doesn't count.

Originally Posted by snowbird01

OOPS brain burp - Beardlsey - sorry about that. I'm rushing out - have to go deliver an RV to Menphis today - will be gone all day. Please don't let OJ get on that stand without me! Don't think he will, but ya never know.......LOL

Is that about 5 hr trip for you? Golly snowbird!

If OJ takes the stand we'll record it for you. k?

[JBL]

Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

Atta girl! I thought about doing that - but guess that doesn't count.

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QUESTION

Where did the police recover all the stuff from? OJ didn't have it in his room did he? I must have missed hearing once the stuff was loaded into the vans, where it was stored.

Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

Atta girl! I thought about doing that - but guess that doesn't count.

I used to think about it...now I don't kow what to do with myself if I don't exercise.

I still get sleepy every morning though...if they don't start this trial soon I'm sure a nap will claim me. (that will probably happen anyway.....)

That's why I love this forum, anything I miss while sleeping I can read about when I wake up.

Originally Posted by RGG

QUESTION

Where did the police recover all the stuff from? OJ didn't have it in his room did he? I must have missed hearing once the stuff was loaded into the vans, where it was stored.

They didn't recover all of it, did they? The stuff that was loaded into the white SUV has disappeared. It was only the stuff that the other guys were holding that was recovered, if I'm not mistaken.

[JBL]

Originally Posted by RGG

QUESTION

Where did the police recover all the stuff from? OJ didn't have it in his room did he? I must have missed hearing once the stuff was loaded into the vans, where it was stored.

I know Cashmere turned stuff in, well to his lawyer anyways and it was picked up there by LE.

LE retrieved sunglasses (LOL) back from Alexanders suitcase.

Maybe CJ turned stuff into his lawyer also? Sketchy on that one.

KTLA feed is still black......c'mon 8 minutes before court should be in session 8am start no?

[AnnInOhio]

District Court Judge Stewart Bell, Judicial Media Liason for this case, is on with Lisa today. His role is to be available to answer media questions about what the law is or about court procedure. He doesn't discuss the facts or strategy or anything like that, but if the media needs answers so they can share with the public the true facts he is available to them. Judge Glass was assigned randomly to this case via computer draw.
Armed Robbery w/use of weapon carries 2-15 year sentence for the robbery with add'l enhancement of 1-15 consecutive for use of weapon, non probationable. Therefore, the least you can get is 3-7.5 years in prison and most is 12-30 years.
Sentencing never takes place right away. A Pre-sentence investigation report is prepared to give the Court the background of the defendent, things the Court might not otherwise know so the Court can decide appropriate sentencing.