Wednesday, 10/1 DAY 107

Good morning sleuthies.

Interesting comments from Leonard Padilla last night on Nancy Grace:


PADILLA: Cindy put her hands around Casey`s throat and practically choked her out that night. It scared the hell out of Casey. It had never happened before.

GRACE: Why?

PADILLA: Because of the money she stole from her parents. She was so upset about that, that she just could not control herself, and if you listen to George, he`ll tell you, he lives -- he lives with a controlling woman and a controlling daughter.

GRACE: Now, where did you get the information that she actually put her hands around mom Casey`s throat?

PADILLA: You can ask Casey`s brother, Lee. He`ll tell you.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../30/ng.01.html

So, it was lee who revealed the choking incident. During this show Dr. Kobilinsky said that chloroform DOES NOT remove or degrade DNA.

Very interesting to me that all the attorneys, defense and prosecutors on last night's show felt that Zenaida Gonzoles has an excellent civil case against casey anthony. Zenaida is also on the witness list, along with over 80 other people.

[bewitched]

Originally Posted by Regina.Lampert

Interesting comments from Leonard Padilla last night on Nancy Grace:


PADILLA: Cindy put her hands around Casey`s throat and practically choked her out that night. It scared the hell out of Casey. It had never happened before.

GRACE: Why?

PADILLA: Because of the money she stole from her parents. She was so upset about that, that she just could not control herself, and if you listen to George, he`ll tell you, he lives -- he lives with a controlling woman and a controlling daughter.

GRACE: Now, where did you get the information that she actually put her hands around mom Casey`s throat?

PADILLA: You can ask Casey`s brother, Lee. He`ll tell you.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../30/ng.01.html

So, it was lee who revealed the choking incident. During this show Dr. Kobilinsky said that chloroform DOES NOT remove or degrade DNA.

Very interesting to me that all the attorneys, defense and prosecutors on last night's show felt that Zenaida Gonzoles has an excellent civil case against casey anthony. Zenaida is also on the witness list, along with over 80 other people.

Thanks so much for posting this - now that I know that choloroform does not remove or degrade DNA, I feel that Caylee will finally get the justice she deserves. I am positive that the stain will have Caylees DNA and that will be the end of it. Case Closed. Casey will finally get what is comming to her - BIG JAIL TIME - Thank you god - at least Caylee will get the justice she deserves and maybe just maybe Casey will lead them to her body so she can get a peaceful resting place.

Justice for that sweet sweet baby

Dawn

[lonetraveler]

Originally Posted by Regina.Lampert

Interesting comments from Leonard Padilla last night on Nancy Grace:

PADILLA: Cindy put her hands around Casey`s throat and practically choked her out that night. It scared the hell out of Casey. It had never happened before.

GRACE: Why?

PADILLA: Because of the money she stole from her parents. She was so upset about that, that she just could not control herself, and if you listen to George, he`ll tell you, he lives -- he lives with a controlling woman and a controlling daughter.

GRACE: Now, where did you get the information that she actually put her hands around mom Casey`s throat?

PADILLA: You can ask Casey`s brother, Lee. He`ll tell you.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../30/ng.01.html

So, it was lee who revealed the choking incident. During this show Dr. Kobilinsky said that chloroform DOES NOT remove or degrade DNA.

Very interesting to me that all the attorneys, defense and prosecutors on last night's show felt that Zenaida Gonzoles has an excellent civil case against casey anthony. Zenaida is also on the witness list, along with over 80 other people.

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I can't find the link right this minute, but I remember the choking incident but I remember that it was stated that George had done the choking, not Cindy. I hope someone can help me find this information, I don't think that I dreamed it. I think I read it in the document dump. Help anyone???

[desmom]

Originally Posted by lonetraveler

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I can't find the link right this minute, but I remember the choking incident but I remember that it was stated that George had done the choking, not Cindy. I hope someone can help me find this information, I don't think that I dreamed it. I think I read it in the document dump. Help anyone???

Didn't both stories come from BH?

Cindy choked Casey June 15 after she found out Casey ripped off her gps.

George choked Casey when she was bailed out of jail the lst time.

jmo

[rosejustrose]

Originally Posted by desmom

Didn't both stories come from BH?

Cindy choked Casey June 15 after she found out Casey ripped off her gps.

George choked Casey when she was bailed out of jail the lst time.

jmo

How pathetic, first Cindy and then George couldn't get it right. IMO, Lee should take a shot at it. Something's got to give in this case. I don't believe the George choking story. IMO, there is no doubt Cindy did. JMO.

[lonetraveler]

Originally Posted by Barefooted

My memory is so bad I often get a 'visual' in my mind to help me remember things like this. I definately remember the original hint of this story, it was George with the hands around her neck, because I thought at the time, boy he has a temper...plate glass window, choking your own kid....Now I have to picture Cindy in that role, and I can't do it. How come it took so long for this story to get more attention? I think its major that anybody had their hands around her neck...I beleive it happened, I am just not sure whose version is accurate.

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I can almost swear that it is located in Lee Anthony's statement. I'm going back to see.

[rosejustrose]

Originally Posted by lonetraveler

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I can almost swear that it is located in Lee Anthony's statement. I'm going back to see.

IIRC, I remember Rick posting that George grabbed his father around the neck and threw him through a window. I don't ever recall reading anywhere else about him hurting Casey. JMO.

[msgatorslayer]

Originally Posted by Dunnie

Murder 1? I think so. Florida has the death penalty.... bye, bye Ms. Casey.

I hope I'm wrong cause I think Casey does deserve the DP for killing her child. But I'd be surprised if the State seeks it against her. Women are rarely put on DR and I think Florida has only had a handful, ever. One being Aileen Wuornos, of course, and then there was a black widow type woman that I remember.

[WillowInFlight]

Originally Posted by MrLucky917

I guess choking runs in the family...

Not that I don't believe Rick, but I wonder why George wasn't arrested for that.

Hi Jo! Sure seems like everyday they release another nugget of information to the public and we seem to be moving towards something. I thought over 80 witnesses was a lot for a trial about child neglect and lying to police.

[Kathlb]

Good Morning everyone! I hope for more news today that we are getting closer to a charge. I noticed yesterday and last night that Nancy, her producers, etc. all had a printed list of the people on the witness list. I wonder when we'll get it or if we will?

[n/t]

Good Morning!

I wish NG would have another forensics expert on her show to debunk or confirm Dr. K's opinions. I'm not sure I totally believe what he has to say anymore. Does anyone here know if what he said is true about the chloroform?

As for LP, well....I think y'all know my thoughts on him by now. lol.

[Kathlb]

Originally Posted by n/t

Good Morning!

I wish NG would have another forensics expert on her show to debunk or confirm Dr. K's opinions. I'm not sure I totally believe what he has to say anymore. Does anyone here know if what he said is true about the chloroform?

As for LP, well....I think y'all know my thoughts on him by now. lol.

Yeah, I'd say ol' Kobe's input is a "teeeny" bit slanted now. Not that he was wrong on the chloroform, he was probably right or he wouldn't have stated it on natl. tv. MOO :-)

[n/t]

Originally Posted by Kathlb

Yeah, I'd say ol' Kobe's input is a "teeeny" bit slanted now. Not that he was wrong on the chloroform, he was probably right or he wouldn't have stated it on natl. tv. MOO :-)

I believe chloroform is used to extract DNA but what happens after. Is the DNA degraded, compromised and/or destroyed? Only because he said it on TV doesn't necessarily make it true. He could be saying it for a reason and that's to defend whatever may have taken place in the trunk of that car when the Anthonys had possession of it.

I'd love another expert opinion.

[n/t]

Originally Posted by Jolae

After all the debauchery on the part of the" expert" witnesses in the Spector trial, I find it difficult to believe these people. IE Henry Lee, Mike Baden. Opinions CAN be bought.


Caylee, not forgotten by some

Exactly........

[n/t]

Originally Posted by Barefooted

Arggghhh, that was the end of MY innocence, that trial w/ all the bought and paid for experts. Lost some faith in judicial system and I sure would like to be able to put it back up there on its pedestal where it used to be for me...

You know, we keep hearing how the Anthonys are broke, blah blah and have no money. I believe it was mentioned again on NG last night when they discussed the civil suit.

So, who's paying these people? The lawyers, Dr. K?

[day2day]

Good morning everyone!
I have been up since 4 am. Early report day for this girl-so between reports i have been reading ..reading and readin more on this case.
Two more things I have read -REALLY bother me.
The first(and i will search for a link)....Has anyone heard Cindy mention that George had worked in the backyard and his hands were BLEEDING?
Now -why o WHY would she even MENTION something like that? i was looking at pics of the backyard search and there was ALOT of little flags out there. Im just wondering WHAT they found there.

The second thing that bothers me (this morning)-A member of a message board contacted Noreen Renier. Noreen seemed as though she was willing to help-Cindy called and she asked for newspaper articles-an item of Casey's and an item of Caylee's. Cindy refused to send her anything. Now WHY in the world would she ask for someones help and then refuse to help THEM? BTW according to the email she has offered her services for free to the OCSO


jmo

[Katt2]

Originally Posted by n/t

You know, we keep hearing how the Anthonys are broke, blah blah and have no money. I believe it was mentioned again on NG last night when they discussed the civil suit.

So, who's paying these people? The lawyers, Dr. K?

I don't know the particulars in this case but there are some "experts" and lawyers who will do it just for the notoriety in high profile cases.

[Amy]

Originally Posted by n/t

You know, we keep hearing how the Anthonys are broke, blah blah and have no money. I believe it was mentioned again on NG last night when they discussed the civil suit.

So, who's paying these people? The lawyers, Dr. K?

They have those book/movie/photo-op plans. No matter how the case ends up, they will have $$ coming in for those. There should be some bucks around to pay the lawyers. Oh, and don't forget their national exposure. I am sure they are counting on the publicity. Advertising they don't have to pay for.

Dr K isn't someone they hired, he is part of NG's scene. I don't know if the TH's go on those shows for exposure, to get their names up there, or if the show pays them for their "expertise."

[nc1948]

Originally Posted by n/t

You know, we keep hearing how the Anthonys are broke, blah blah and have no money. I believe it was mentioned again on NG last night when they discussed the civil suit.

So, who's paying these people? The lawyers, Dr. K?

I am nosey, I want to know who is paying their mortgage/lights/phone/food/gas. Hey, those things cost and have to be paid monthly. Where are they getting the money for living expenses?

[Pebbles]

Originally Posted by n/t

You know, we keep hearing how the Anthonys are broke, blah blah and have no money. I believe it was mentioned again on NG last night when they discussed the civil suit.

So, who's paying these people? The lawyers, Dr. K?

I constantly wonder about that also.

I am so afraid that little Caylee will never receive the justice she deserves.

I heard this morning that Casey is pleading "not guilty" to the charges she is now facing. Then I see her going to see JB chewing gum and acting like she doesn't have a care in the world. I get the feeling sometimes that the family is laughing at everyone. The Anthonys feel they are above the law and nothing is going to happen to them.

I heard the Anthonys attorney call the protesters "criminals". What about Casey.

Nejamie (not sure of the spelling right now) said yesterday at the homeowner's meeting with the city of Orlando that it is sad that the Athonys have to leave their house to pray. What about Caylee and the fact that her mother will not tell anyone what really happened to her.

Why are so many people defending the actions of the Anthonys and Casey. By doing that, they are showing the Anthonys and Casey that their actions are acceptable. I wish Caylee could get a high priced attorney!


No more birthdays, Christmas, Halloween, first day of school for Caylee. I wonder how Casey will celebrate Christmas this year?



Caylee I wish you could tell us where you are!

[k_can004]

Originally Posted by Jolae

After all the debauchery on the part of the" expert" witnesses in the Spector trial, I find it difficult to believe these people. IE Henry Lee, Mike Baden. Opinions CAN be bought.


Caylee, not forgotten by some

ITA..... Goodmorning all!!!

[Ladyhawk]

Here's what I found on chloroform and DNA degradation.

http://books.google.com/books?id=MkO...um=5&ct=result

"Efficient DNA extraction procedures, as well as accurate DNA quantification methods, are critical steps involved in the process of successful DNA analysis of such samples. The phenol-chloroform method is a sensitive method for the extraction of DNA from a wide variety of forensic samples, although it is known to be laborious compared with singletube extraction methods."

This leads me to think that cloroform does not degrade the sample otherwise they wouldn't use it.

Then there is this...
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=19949700

"The degradation activity was lost on pretreatment of the DNA with a phenol-chloroform mixture, and the activity was recovered by pretreatment with a mixture of DMSO and a buffer containing surfactants. Mn2+, Co2+, Ni2+, Cu2+, Zn2+, and Cd2+, as transition element metal ions, were effective as to the degradation into dNMP."

This leads me to think that cloroform actually stops the degradation process.

All of the above is for what it's worth but all I could easily find that I can understand.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by TREE TREE

Good Morning.......I believe he is right that it will not degrade DNA.....BUT will it clean?.......Could someone have thought it might grabbed it in a hurry to clean and deodorise that trunk needing something strong....and threw some extra in for good measure. ANOTHER nugget we found out on NG the reporter w/ the red hair said neighbors saw them.......did not say who.......cleaning the car.

As far as what Lenny said.......well he`s a lawyer also and I find it hard to believe he would say that bringing Lee in to it. Also Lenny had several days in there where not much was moving on the bail out......he could of changed his mind at any minute so Lee was probably cooperating as much as possible w/ security issues and just blurted it out not knowing just how BAD that sounds for Casey. Lenny is slick and probably had all kinds of Q`s pertaining to security and who knows what else he learned. Pretty Slick indeed.......

I have to run but read the last few post by Stef (rest of her name escapes me) from last night it was probably in last 4 pages last night......And she came up with a real good theory of the flurry of calls. If I can find her name I wll be right back with it.......

I like the theory that the phone calls were not because something happened to Caylee/cry for help. She would never admit to hurting Caylee esp. a few short hours after the big blow up between her and Mommy Dearest. She had JUST left in a huff.

BUT I also don't believe she was calling her parents to watch Caylee either basically for the same reasons. She took off with that baby and I can't see her begging her parents for babysitter duty right after Cindy supposedly tried to strangle her.

[GrannyB]

Originally Posted by jammies

I like the theory that the phone calls were not because something happened to Caylee/cry for help. She would never admit to hurting Caylee esp. a few short hours after the big blow up between her and Mommy Dearest. She had JUST left in a huff.

BUT I also don't believe she was calling her parents to watch Caylee either basically for the same reasons. She took off with that baby and I can't see her begging her parents for babysitter duty right after Cindy supposedly tried to strangle her.

Or maybe she left the night before, came home and no one was there. She wondered where they were and where was Caylee and started calling to find out. I don't recall anyone ever saying she left. In fact Cindy and George claim she was there.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by GrannyB

Or maybe she left the night before, came home and no one was there. She wondered where they were and where was Caylee and started calling to find out. I don't recall anyone ever saying she left. In fact Cindy and George claim she was there.

Do we know where the phone calls originated? Did the cell phone towers show she was at home? (sorry, not up on the tower pings)

[GrannyB]

Originally Posted by jammies

Do we know where the phone calls originated? Did the cell phone towers show she was at home? (sorry, not up on the tower pings)

I haven't had to energy to try and figure out the pings.
She could have been just calling to say she was coming home.
I just throwing it out there.

Originally Posted by jammies

Do we know where the phone calls originated? Did the cell phone towers show she was at home? (sorry, not up on the tower pings)

Morning J. WS has done some intensive research on those cell phone calls, interesting theories. For example, on 6/27 the day she supposedly ran out of gas and left the car at Amscot, it appears she was travelling all over the place prior to that. The call to Tony to pick her up at Amscot, appears to have been made from THE ANTHONY RESIDENCE. Interesting in that she did have food items with her when Lazarro picked her up at Amscot.

Some are theorizing it was Jesse Grund who was driving her around.

[FrankieBones1]

Originally Posted by n/t

Good Morning!

I wish NG would have another forensics expert on her show to debunk or confirm Dr. K's opinions. I'm not sure I totally believe what he has to say anymore. Does anyone here know if what he said is true about the chloroform?

As for LP, well....I think y'all know my thoughts on him by now. lol.

I think it might be a good idea to look at the transcripts of Nancy's show before he decided to go to the dark side and compare those to his words now.

[bballgrl]

OMG Day 107 - How incredibley sad. I really want to see some justice for Caylee and an end to the Anthony gang games!

Hi - this is my first time posting but found your site and have been lurking for awhile.

I don't know if it's because I have a daughter that's 3 years old with brown hair or what it actually is...but I just have so many emotions over this case. I first heard about it when I saw a news brief where it stated that a "lying mother was arrested" and have followed the case since then.

I first believed that an accident "must" have happened and Casey did panic and tried to cover it up - but after reading and hearing the transcripts - I really believe that she caused precious Caylee's death. It just makes me sick to think she drove around with that baby in her trunk. That baby - HER baby - was rotting in her trunk.

I find myself watching Nancy Grace every night. Nancy makes me mad sometimes but I'm so glad that she's keeping this case in the forefront. I don't take any calls or anything while the show is on.

I pray that Casey is proven guilty. If not, what does that show the rest of the world -- Go ahead commit a murder -- BUT -- don't report it for 30 days (heck don't report it at all) and if you're asked about it LIE, LIE & LIE. After 30 days no one will be able to find the body - feed the body to the darn alligators in you have to -- and THAT'S how you'll get off. That's just not right!

And, although the Anthony's (grandparents) are really frustrating me now - I cried when I read Cindy's comment to Lee & Casey that she didn't want Lee to just check up on Caylee (that first night) that in fact Cindy wanted to hold her. Ahh - that just tears me up.

I'm so glad there's this site to vent - because I think my family is sick of hearing from me about it.

[MyrDawn]

Hi, and welcome!

This case is very emotional for many of us. It's so hard to believe that Casey could have disposed of her little girl without showing any emotion about it at all. Just lies and more lies. Her family is so strange! They've told so many lies, I don't believe a word they say any longer.

Why not join us on the daily thread? http://boards.insessiontrials.com/sh...341878&page=14

[SavannahStar]

Originally Posted by Coldwater

When did this become the "stuffed animal, toy board" -
everyone forgot the off topic notice again after about 7 repeats???
Yes this is a warning.

Thank you, CW.

[Ellie]

Originally Posted by SavannahStar

Thank you, CW.

Yes, thank you CW. You guys are wonderful but man, it takes at least an hour to get caught up when I start reading at 7AM, and I have to scroll through pages and pages of stuff before I find even one line that contains any real info. Sorry, hate me if you want, but I was kind of wondering if anyone would want to start a separate thread with only updates to the case? I know we have a 'links' thread, but some wonderful poster here, for example, watched Nancy Grace one night and pretty much summed the whole show up in one long post. That's the kind of update I'm looking for. Again, you guys rock and I appreciate all of you for your updates and ideas, but I don't have a lot of time every day and really, my boss would have my head if he knew I was logged onto this site all day!

Oh, and just to toss out there the backpack and monkeys thing. Dora the Explorer, which is the name of the backpack GA said Caylee was wearing when she walked out the door that day with Casey, has monkeys on her show. The backpack almost assuredly had monkeys on it. It was Caylee's backpack. There's your tie-in, your relevance.

[tiny paw-prints]

Originally Posted by Coldwater

When did this become the "stuffed animal, toy board" -
everyone forgot the off topic notice again after about 7 repeats???
Yes this is a warning.

Thanks for the much needed warning CW!

I counted about 10-15 pages in this thread about monkey backpacks and plenty of idle chatter, squirrel and monkey jokes.