Weekend thread 9/27-9/28

[callmetree]

morning all. hope it's ok to continue our discussion of the trial here. also hope you all have a great weekend.

Morning hiitsme - the prosecution did very well with their star witness! The transcript told it like it is!

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/medi...transcript.pdf

[callmetree]

Originally Posted by RGG

Morning hiitsme - the prosecution did very well with their star witness! The transcript told it like it is!

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/medi...transcript.pdf

i totally agree with you.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Originally Posted by RGG

Morning hiitsme - the prosecution did very well with their star witness! The transcript told it like it is!

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/medi...transcript.pdf

Wow..TYVm..Quite the reading RGG..I just wonder what Yale or Grasso can do with this?..If McClinton just told the story, they could just poo poo that and say it was self-serving..and that he would say anything to get a deal..But with that tape..hmmmm It is quite clear that there was a gun and OJ not only knew about it..but asked for there to be heat..then one more step he (OJ) even admitts asking CJ to bring abunch of big guys to look menacing..Sooo, Riccio did not arrange for this posse and firearms..his role was to get the sellers there under false pretense..Wow..McClinton's story is right on, and corroberated by OJ himself..

LMS

Okay, so I haven't been following this case much, I'll admit it. I understand that if OJ is convicted in this case, he could be sentenced to life in prison? I can't stand the jerk, but isn't that a bit harsh considering there weren't any injuries during this heist? I just wonder if he's being punished for the murders a teensy bit in this case? He didn't even bring the gun, so I just don't get it.

Any thoughts? (Please don't get mad at me since I dont know much about this case.)

JMO

[JBL]

Originally Posted by Wok Inn

Okay, so I haven't been following this case much, I'll admit it. I understand that if OJ is convicted in this case, he could be sentenced to life in prison? I can't stand the jerk, but isn't that a bit harsh considering there weren't any injuries during this heist? I just wonder if he's being punished for the murders a teensy bit in this case? He didn't even bring the gun, so I just don't get it.

Any thoughts? (Please don't get mad at me since I dont know much about this case.)

JMO

Life in prison is the maximum these sentences carry. I doubt even if guilty that will be imposed. The jury doesn't make the sentence just guilty or not guilty.

Maximum sentences are supposed to deter criminals that that is out there. If any one thinks these sentences carry to high of a sentence then write the legislature, senators what ever. This has nothing to do with because it's OJ. It's what the charges carry. These are NOT special OJ sentences.

[JBL]

To answer your question. NO not to harsh. If I was being robbed - intimidated what ever I would want to see the criminal sentenced to the max. I'd never insult a victim of a crime and say yea it was wrong but arn't you being to "harsh" on that guy that pulled a gun on you to intimidate you.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Originally Posted by Wok Inn

Okay, so I haven't been following this case much, I'll admit it. I understand that if OJ is convicted in this case, he could be sentenced to life in prison? I can't stand the jerk, but isn't that a bit harsh considering there weren't any injuries during this heist? I just wonder if he's being punished for the murders a teensy bit in this case? He didn't even bring the gun, so I just don't get it.

Any thoughts? (Please don't get mad at me since I dont know much about this case.)

JMO

I think you can feel just they way you wish..but if you read that transcript and hear the tape..you will get the sense of just who the real OJ is..He is so arrogant feels so entitled that he can do whatever he wants..He's like that big bully at school..who claims his rights, but disregads everybody's elses rights. Life in prison for OJ is not like life in prison for a younger person..For OJ that term could be as little as 10 years..

You are right, there by the grace of God no one got physically hurt, although Fromong had a heart attack..and could have died. What this case actually showcases is OJ's obsession of screwing the Civil Judgement and by extension the Goldmans and the Browns..He vowed to never work again, but stoops to devious, under the table association with low lives to feed his ego and his coffers with income tax free..and freebies given instead of a paycheck. When those benefits fail..he creates alternates, corporations under other's names, his lawyers legally stonewall claims against him, giving him time to bob and weave to play the shell game..

Regardless of his past deeds mid '90's He needs to pay his dues for his horrible behavior in this case..His mindset, his attitude is disgusting in my estimation, and I for one dont admire him, feel sorry for him nor believe he is a victim!

LMS

OJ would never make 10 yrs in prison; that life would kill him.

I'm reading the interviews (long reading and 2 transcripts) and Beardsley is really wanting OJ to burn in prison. Fromong tells about helping to set up off-shore bank accounts to hide OJ's money and other stuff so the Goldman's couldn't get it.

Both Beardsley and Fromong say this stuff was Gilberts and this was payment since OJ wouldn't/couldn't pay Gilbert - that's a back and forth story. In other places it's said it was to be hidden from the Goldmans.

Fromong is also upset because he's supposed to be meeting up with his girlfriend and he's leaving his wife in Oregon and heading to Boston with his new squeeze.

LOL - Fromong<--

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Does anyone else here believe that this armed robbery case is just the beginning of OJ's problems?..For example all the people that have assisted OJ in his quest to hide funds and property from seizure to satisfy his civil judgement, no doubt will give it up to save their own skins, so I can visualize even his Attny's over the years could possibly be implicated..

I think his whole life is now going to unravel..and those that helped him could be directly effected...HUMMM?

LMS

[JBL]

Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

I think you can feel just they way you wish..but if you read that transcript and hear the tape..you will get the sense of just who the real OJ is..He is so arrogant feels so entitled that he can do whatever he wants..He's like that big bully at school..who claims his rights, but disregads everybody's elses rights. Life in prison for OJ is not like life in prison for a younger person..For OJ that term could be as little as 10 years..

You are right, there by the grace of God no one got physically hurt, although Fromong had a heart attack..and could have died. What this case actually showcases is OJ's obsession of screwing the Civil Judgement and by extension the Goldmans and the Browns..He vowed to never work again, but stoops to devious, under the table association with low lives to feed his ego and his coffers with income tax free..and freebies given instead of a paycheck. When those benefits fail..he creates alternates, corporations under other's names, his lawyers legally stonewall claims against him, giving him time to bob and weave to play the shell game..

Regardless of his past deeds mid '90's He needs to pay his dues for his horrible behavior in this case..His mindset, his attitude is disgusting in my estimation, and I for one dont admire him, feel sorry for him nor believe he is a victim!

LMS

You bring up some excellent points and it goes to show the double standard when it comes to OJ.

Anyone and Everyone makes/hears OJ jokes. The LE on tape definately have no sympathy for OJ - SO FREAKING WHAT. They didn't frame him and set him up. They're laughing while collectiing evidence against the putz.

Yet OJ's thumbing his nose to the justice system and the Goldmans is supposed to be overlooked. I'd like to ask Grasso what's the freaking difference between what your "client" is doing and other people be it LE or someone on the golf course expressing their disgust with the phenomonom known as OJ.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

What really bothers me is the OJ supporters equate his plight along side those who have been truly victimized..OJ is no Victim, as he is the "Victimizer" on two legs!! To use him as a poster child to demonstrate this does injustice to those who really deserve sympathy and support. OJ underminds social attitudes to help those with true biases or prejudices..I would respectfully request a more suitable and apropriate "Role Model"! If for
no other reason, than to bring integrity back in focus for those issues!!

LMS

[JBL]

Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

Does anyone else here believe that this armed robbery case is just the beginning of OJ's problems?..For example all the people that have assisted OJ in his quest to hide funds and property from seizure to satisfy his civil judgement, no doubt will give it up to save their own skins, so I can visualize even his Attny's over the years could possibly be implicated..

I think his whole life is now going to unravel..and those that helped him could be directly effected...HUMMM?

LMS

The only thing they have is accusations and you can bet now that they have a place to start they will sieve thru it. If they find the trail and can prove it they will prosecute.

Everyone pretty much thought this anyways - just another confirmation that it had been done and now they know who some of the players who took part are.

[JBL]

Originally Posted by snowbird01

I doubt it. I don't think OJ's life in prison will be as hard on him as some people think. He'll be among peers and enjoy their adulation. He won't lack access to drugs, I'm sure.
And as to those who have helped him: apparently they are not concerned about being prosecuted. They write books.... ie: Mike Gilbert isn't under indictment is he?

" He'll be among peers "



After all he is very affable ROFL!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Originally Posted by snowbird01

I doubt it. I don't think OJ's life in prison will be as hard on him as some people think. He'll be among peers and enjoy their adulation. He won't lack access to drugs, I'm sure.
And as to those who have helped him: apparently they are not concerned about being prosecuted. They write books.... ie: Mike Gilbert isn't under indictment is he?

Snow...LOL...One step at a time...OJ in prison may feed his ego by getting adulations from fellow inmates..but at least he cant do more harm to the free law abiding citizens..and who knows, save someone's life????As to his village people to hide stuff..I think they will cooperate now to locate assets IF THEY know whats good for them!! I for one will rest easy when the civil judgement begins to get paid..I for one believe the Goldman's and the Browns will rest easier knowing his influence on Justice and Sydney will be gone..and the money will go to helping others..not feeding his sicko lifestyle..In jail he will have no control any more..he can just exist ..and I dont really care!!

LMS

If OJ goes to prison who do you consider a guardian of the children's monies? Justin won't be 21 until next August. I've no idea if they're in college or working. Any ideas on them?

[JBL]

Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

What really bothers me is the OJ supporters equate his plight along side those who have been truly victimized..OJ is no Victim, as he is the "Victimizer" on two legs!! To use him as a poster child to demonstrate this does injustice to those who really deserve sympathy and support. OJ underminds social attitudes to help those with true biases or prejudices..I would respectfully request a more suitable and apropriate "Role Model"! If for
no other reason, than to bring integrity back in focus for those issues!!

LMS

ITA! This GET OJ mentality is a PR stunt that promotes racial lines which is the only defense OJ can come up with. Amazing how he can spin anything around to become the victim.

There's nothing I could find on Fromong and his wife or girlfriend. Maybe something will turn up. You're correct snowbird, with all the stress of this case and his wife learning about his LAS troubles, it just could have triggered the attacks.

[JBL]

Originally Posted by RGG

If OJ goes to prison who do you consider a guardian of the children's monies? Justin won't be 21 until next August. I've no idea if they're in college or working. Any ideas on them?

I was thinking about that. LOL. OJ's 'heirs' and Girlfriend will each try to put their mitts on whatever they "believe" they have coming as they will all expect to lead the same lifestyle or better. I expect some fights, arrests, hospitalizations to come out of this sure to happen saga.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Originally Posted by RGG

If OJ goes to prison who do you consider a guardian of the children's monies? Justin won't be 21 until next August. I've no idea if they're in college or working. Any ideas on them?

RGG..You're the link guru!!..but I will try to find something..but I do recall the Brown's trying to get custody way back when, and do believe they will be that guardian until they become of legal age.I can only hope these to kids havent been influenced so negatively, Yiks..I pray..I dont believe his adult children have made their mark in this world either..they learned from the master ..symbiotic relationships to survive...

So Im of to do some sleuthing..LOL

LMS

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Here's some links to Nicole's childrens history since their mom's murder!1

http://www.people.com/people/archive...150372,00.html
"Surviving their mother's murder' June 21/04

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,615441,00.html
Custody Battle for kids April 1999

Well it does seem those two kids have been pulled and tugged for years since their mother died..I for one would lke to find a detailed timeline of just where they lived and who was nurturing them since 1995..hummm

LMS

Sorry, so far havent found anything current of just what they are up to..

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Originally Posted by snowbird01

I hope you are right.

I really hope that the family will be able to help out OJ's 1st wife a little. I mean it makes me sad that she works at Walmart! I'm sure she was as battered and ill used as any other woman in his life, and OJ abandoned her and wouldn't help her. I know she made a bad choice in life, hooking up with OJ, but she was young and didn't know then what we know now.

I think it is going to just kill OJ not to be able to control all these things in his life..and given the recent altercation with Arnell and OJ's main squeeze..I think Arnell just may get some much needed financial aid to her momma..I think OJ will hit the roof!..I cannot believe that his pension income wouldnt be more appropriately spent without OJ's control..as I said, I think what's happening now to OJ is only the beginning of fireworks where his assets and property are concerned..and the "Village People" will have to grow up and be responsible..or lose everything they have..Yale and his biased advocacy of his evil client..is going to rub off on him..I think his future clients are going to be limited to really bad dudes who fit a similar profile to OJ..

LMS

[Lyndawitha"Y]

OhhhLaaLaa..Just found an interesting intervew that OJ did with Katie Courcic..Oj was accompanied by Yale Galanter..Hummmm

Discussion is about Sydney and Justin among others things..There is actuay a quote OJ makes about the death of his mother..He actually cant remember the date..He didnt feel it was significant??Yiks Anyway here's the link..read away..LOL


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5137198/

I have addid the continued story incase you have difficulty locating..

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5137198/#storyContinued


LMS

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I just found some links to Yale Galanter..3 so far..It seems he is best known for his "Mouth" as his credntials lists only Talk Show Gigs and the list of High Profie Defendents he has spoken about..I saw not one case outside of OJ's ..He has been in Criminal Law for 20 years..and has been invloced with OJ for over 8 years..and it seems OJ keeps him so busy he doesnt have any other clients...LOL

Wonder why he would put all his eggs in one basket..especially a basket that he claims is empty..Just how does he pay his bils!!??

LMS

[Lqqkout]

Well, as we say in Red Sox Nation "It ain't over til the fat lady sings."

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Yales represnted OJ in the Road Rage case..then something I didnt know about..OJ 's house had been raided for drugs..Wonder how that could happen??Targetted??HUM???given what we know now..not so far fetched to think that druggs were actually possible in that house??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yale_Galanter

Galanter first represented Simpson in a road rage trial in October 2001. He was also Simpson's attorney for the federal drug raid case on Simpson's home in 2001, a speeding ticket in 2002, a domestic violence call to his residence in 2003, and his writing of a fictional account of the murders of his former wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend, Ronald Goldman, called If I Did It.

LMS

[Lqqkout]

Did anyone see yesterday where a man disciplined his 5 and 6 yrs olds with shock collars? He got probation. Now THAT is a travesty of justice!

Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

I just found some links to Yale Galanter..3 so far..It seems he is best known for his "Mouth" as his credntials lists only Talk Show Gigs and the list of High Profie Defendents he has spoken about..I saw not one case outside of OJ's ..He has been in Criminal Law for 20 years..and has been invloced with OJ for over 8 years..and it seems OJ keeps him so busy he doesnt have any other clients...LOL

Wonder why he would put all his eggs in one basket..especially a basket that he claims is empty..Just how does he pay his bils!!??

LMS

His pension is either 22k or 25k per month - depends on who's telling the amount - and then he has all the off-shore accounts that were set up for him. I'm sure he has plenty of loot. There's the betting at the golf courses, and no, I don't know his handicap *G*.

I need to look up Galanter's public information.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Originally Posted by RGG

His pension is either 22k or 25k per month - depends on who's telling the amount - and then he has all the off-shore accounts that were set up for him. I'm sure he has plenty of loot. There's the betting at the golf courses, and no, I don't know his handicap *G*.

I need to look up Galanter's public information.

Yiks..Even with what you suggest as 22-25K/monthly is over 250% of my income..and I live fairly comfortably..Course I dont gamble, smooze with party goers, partake in drugs, or travel!! I have to wonder why he ever stole Satelite Feed from Direct???Cause he could??What a weeny, scam-man to the end!! Golf Green Fees are mostly paid by others, you know "Tit for Tat" mentality..and I'll wager that even his drug dealer would give him his supply just for the publicity for other users ..but just know if they get caught, they'd roll over so fast on OJ your head would spin!!..

Man oh Man..I really dont think that the total picture of OJ's lifestyle can be even fantasized about..at least not by normal human beings!!

LMS

Originally Posted by snowbird01

Apparently his house was searched because his name had been mentioned by some dealers (probably just wannabe groupies) and no drugs were found at his home. However that is when he got busted for stealing cable signal. I think the cable company got him for about $30,000 or something.

On the same day of the DirectTv verdict his mortgage company demanded payment on the house - it looked like all of it because it was
$675,000.00 (rounded the up). I believe the mtg co. was worried more stuff would be happening.

[JBL]

Hey Ann,
Jackets beat Predators 4-3. <------- ^5 I think LOL!

Yes did miss a good one. I don't know if you were able to record yesterdays low down but ktla has a few recordings. In particular the jailhouse recording from OJ to Prody (who wasn't there instead Arnelle was the reciever.)

http://www.ktla.com/ojsimpson

[vonna]

Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

Does anyone else here believe that this armed robbery case is just the beginning of OJ's problems?..For example all the people that have assisted OJ in his quest to hide funds and property from seizure to satisfy his civil judgement, no doubt will give it up to save their own skins, so I can visualize even his Attny's over the years could possibly be implicated..

I think his whole life is now going to unravel..and those that helped him could be directly effected...HUMMM?

LMS

That's what should happen. I believe it's called "Poetic Justice."

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Originally Posted by RGG

On the same day of the DirectTv verdict his mortgage company demanded payment on the house - it looked like all of it because it was
$675,000.00 (rounded the up). I believe the mtg co. was worried more stuff would be happening.

I just wonder how Oj can ever be held accountable for his debts..given the Homested Rules in Fla..Geesh he's owes 33 million in Civil Judgement, He owes back taxes not sure on amt..but is a very high figure..and thr Direct judgement fof 25-30k..There is something wrong with tht picture..Maybe I should move to florida..run up debts and skate on all those debts!..

I also wonder about that drug raid...do ya wanna bet he had been tipped off..much like the seizure raid for property at Rockingham..I have to mentioned OJ's reference to having the "Cops" in his pocket..not LE but has a few in his pocket..Sound familiar..no different than a mafia boss having insiders to tip them off to raids..humm?

LMS

[Lqqkout]

Originally Posted by snowbird01

OMIG I didn't see that: what state?

It was on the KTLA website.

[AnnInOhio]

Originally Posted by JBL

Hey Ann,
Jackets beat Predators 4-3. <------- ^5 I think LOL!

Yes did miss a good one. I don't know if you were able to record yesterdays low down but ktla has a few recordings. In particular the jailhouse recording from OJ to Prody (who wasn't there instead Arnelle was the reciever.)

http://www.ktla.com/ojsimpson

I'm hoping I've got it all. I've listened to the end of the cop's testimony and am now listening to McClinton's.

Just looking at the taxes on Simpson and Yales houses - no WAY could I have paid those amounts, even when I was working:
OJ:
Combined taxes and assessments (gross amount) for 2007 : $13786.01
Yale and Elyse (his wife):
Combined taxes and assessments (gross amount) for 2007 : $18664.24

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Originally Posted by RGG

Just looking at the taxes on Simpson and Yales houses - no WAY could I have paid those amounts, even when I was working:
OJ:
Combined taxes and assessments (gross amount) for 2007 : $13786.01
Yale and Elyse (his wife):
Combined taxes and assessments (gross amount) for 2007 : $18664.24

YIKS..and I complain about my property taxes at 2000.00/annual.Are you including income tax etc?

Whoops..just read again Property taxes..Yiks!!!!! Me Bad..but then again how does Yale pay his taxes..OJ has no income to pay him..Ohhlaalaa..I would love to be a fly on the wall to see their tax returns..!!
LMS

Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

I just wonder how Oj can ever be held accountable for his debts..given the Homested Rules in Fla..Geesh he's owes 33 million in Civil Judgement, He owes back taxes not sure on amt..but is a very high figure..and thr Direct judgement fof 25-30k..There is something wrong with tht picture..Maybe I should move to florida..run up debts and skate on all those debts!..

I also wonder about that drug raid...do ya wanna bet he had been tipped off..much like the seizure raid for property at Rockingham..I have to mentioned OJ's reference to having the "Cops" in his pocket..not LE but has a few in his pocket..Sound familiar..no different than a mafia boss having insiders to tip them off to raids..humm?

LMS

Most of the rich folks move to FL - it makes sense if you want to ditch any responsibilities and hold onto your loot by what laws they dish up to your plate.

I had to laugh when I look at the taxes in most of the Florida counties....they sock it to the homeowner like crazy (note the taxes OJ and Galanter paid 2007) - but that's probably cheaper if you're trying to stay under the wire.

Your link was great reading but I just cannot compliment Couric on this interview of OJ - she asked the same questions twice - kids, Goldman and getting his judgment, "IF" he did it, and a couple of other things.

I enjoyed this however:
"Yale Galanter: “I do. I absolutely do. And that's the type of work I was talking about. He—O.J. has not gotten any offers for mainstream corporate America. He hasn't gotten an offer from Hertz. He certainly has gotten an offer from NBC or an offer from ABC.etc......" "But my phone rings off the hook everyday with him getting specific offers. And, you know, 99 out of 100 of them we turn down just because we don't think that they're of the stature and class level that should be bestowed on him.”"

There were other places as well....OJ discussing the problem with Nicole and her druggies and you "don't do that around my kids"....

Thanks for the link - what a trip to Wonderland!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

My Goodness..given the property taxes alone..gives me some insight to overhead of both Yale and OJ..One must consider the regular monthly bills ontop of that..i.e. Mortgage payments..hydro..phone..cable..auto leases..insurances..food..entertainment (huge for them)..clothing..toilet paper (must be alot in their households)..food, liquor....gas/oil for vehicles..travel expenses..household expenses..MAN oh MAN..No wonder he looks for "Freebies"!!

LMS

Oh - another reply Lyndawitha"Y: - tipped off on the drug raid? You're kidding, right? After reading that Couric interview hearing that OJ gets along so well with the police. Give me a break! OJ probably has several guys on the force that not only clue OJ in, but know where all the best prices are - or better still - if they do a drug raid maybe they send some of the "stash" OJ's way?