Sept. 19

#1 09-19-2008, 02:18 AM

On Thursday ,Sept. 18 The evidence presented in the court showed that O J Planned a robbery. A Felony.

Whatever that OJ had planned for that night, what he actually did is the subject of this trial.

OJ must pay. The reason I say that is because I have gone through the small claims court process and I know that it can be tedious.

That does not give the monster the right to bust in with TWO guns.

Forum: O.J. Simpson Trial Post

OJ has had his fun. Now is the time to put him away Via this gift wrapped situation.

Bye Bye OJ

AnnInOhio · #2 09-19-2008, 08:58 AM

Trial to resume at 8:00 Las Vegas Time

AnnInOhio · #3 09-19-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bookclubfan

I already started one and added a link.

I've asked Coldwater to close/delete this thread. Everyone, please direct Friday discussion to the other 9/19/08 link!

AnnInOhio · #4 09-19-2008, 09:34 AM

The only thing I've decided so far in this trial is that all of the "Stuff" should be destroyed immediately following this trial. I don't care who it belongs to.

callmetree · #5 09-19-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bookclubfan

Which one of you ran down to get OJs autograph?

Apparent autograph seeker escorted from O.J. trial

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_10500310

thank you for the new thread. i've got alot of catching up to do. luckily i'm off today so just maybe i'll be able to do alot of

. there goes getting apt. cleaned.....

callmetree · #6 09-19-2008, 09:43 AM

just needed to shout out another THANK YOU to guernica for all the info. that was provided to me for a question i asked yesterday. i know it had to have been very time consuming. very nice poster.

#7 09-19-2008, 09:59 AM

Yesterday's thread is closed but I just wanted to give a shout out to Details for his/her very detailed post from the transcripts over there. (post #391)

Here's a link to the Clark County courthouse media site. There are links to all the transcripts there if you scroll down the page.

http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/media.html

I need to credit Cloey, from the ktla forum for the link. I didn't find it myself.

AnnInOhio · #8 09-19-2008, 10:25 AM

Simpson: I don't wanna go into their room. If you go into their room and they tell you to leave then you gotta leave. I gotta wait and see when my guy calls find out.

Sounds to me like OJ has possibly conferred with an attorney beforehand about this sting. It sounds to me like OJ intended to get the memorabilia back and have somebody sell it for him, which is what he initially intended to do when he had it secreted away from LE from Rockingham. I loved Riccio's line "And, and you got problems with this guy Yale that used to work with you."

AnnInOhio · #9 09-19-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Guernica

Yes, Riccio testified yesterday that when he was with O.J. and the 20 or so people around him poolside at the Palms, that both Simpson's and O.J.'s sister had both told O.J. not to proceed with the plan. Riccio did not say which sister it was and I can't remember the attorney's name. It was not Galanter nor was it Grasso. I think it started with an S -- a name I had not heard before. It wasn't Shapiro (from back in 1994) either.

OJ makes a big deal on the tapes about others evading the turn over orders, but the defense is going to have to explain why, if OJ knew Gilbert had his stuff or knew "stuff" was out there somewhere, he didn't acknowledge it on his own interrogatories. I would think the legal position would be that after OJ acknowledged under oath that he had no other stuff being held by others, Gilbert's claim that the stuff was his (Gilbert's) was confirmed.

Lyndawitha"Y · #10 09-19-2008, 11:26 AM

Someone please clarify for me if I am mistaken..Has the theory that the police not assisting OJ in getting stolen stuff back not the justification for ganging up on the victims of this crime?..It seems that poor OJ had to do this to get his personal momentos back..thus justified robbery of his own stuff..Is this correct??

Once someone clarifies this I will have a few comments..Hummmm

TYIA LMS

Lyndawitha"Y · #11 09-19-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bookclubfan

No, he never asked the police to help him get his stuff back. He chose to take the law into his own hands instead.

I just heard on Insession, them playing back some of Roccio's tewtimony of yesterday stating he spoke to FBI and local LA police about it???and told OJ their response and OJ said..Not Surprised..So it is then they started planning..?

LMS

AnnInOhio · #12 09-19-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

Someone please clarify for me if I am mistaken..Has the theory that the police not assisting OJ in getting stolen stuff back not the justification for ganging up on the victims of this crime?..It seems that poor OJ had to do this to get his personal momentos back..thus justified robbery of his own stuff..Is this correct??

Once someone clarifies this I will have a few comments..Hummmm

TYIA LMS

I think Riccio acknowledged that OJ wasn't party to going to the FBI or police and it seems that OJ nixed Riccio's suggestion to have hotel security go with them.

dmh · #13 09-19-2008, 11:35 AM

I don't see another thread for 9/19 This is the only one?

AnnInOhio · #14 09-19-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by snowbird01

That is certainly OJ's position in the matter.
Yale focused on "intent" in his opening statements. OJ just gettting his stuff.

It will be interesting to learn the legal definition of "intent", i.e. the difference between what OJ and the group originally intended to do versus what OJ decided on the spur of the moment to do just before entering the room. If OJ originally intended to calmly see what the guys had and be selective about what he retrieved but began to seethe with anger on the way to that room, did his intent evolve?

Lyndawitha"Y · #15 09-19-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

I think Riccio acknowledged that OJ wasn't party to going to the FBI or police and it seems that OJ nixed Riccio's suggestion to have hotel security go with them.

I guess it's common sense for LE not to get involved even if this was stolen from OJ...( mean the Goldmans) as legally statute of limitatons of stolen items cause was long past..so OJ was well aware he couldnt do it legally via civil suit because then the Goldman's would know about it..

Once again, it was OJ running the show..the why's, the where,s and the who,s..with Riccio as the middleman...Just another example of all the behind the scenes manipulations to hide his (OJ's) assets..

LMS

AnnInOhio · #16 09-19-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dmh

I don't see another thread for 9/19 This is the only one?

There were two, now merged into one. Coldwater is watching over us. I've mentioned before that I always think of Bill Cosby's old "God talking to Noah" skit when I think of Coldwater. The powerful voice that seems to come out of nowhere. "Noah, this is God."

dmh · #17 09-19-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by bookclubfan

why do we need another?

Didn't someone say they asked coldwater to close this thread and redirect to other 9/19 thread? I agree we do not need any other thread

or maybe I just read it wrong

Cornblossom · #18 09-19-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

Someone please clarify for me if I am mistaken..Has the theory that the police not assisting OJ in getting stolen stuff back not the justification for ganging up on the victims of this crime?..It seems that poor OJ had to do this to get his personal momentos back..thus justified robbery of his own stuff..Is this correct??

Once someone clarifies this I will have a few comments..Hummmm

TYIA LMS

OJ would have had to have gone to the police and filed a report himself beings he was claiming it was his property. Riccio couldn't do it for him-which he stated he went to the FBI-OJ didn't.

AnnInOhio · #19 09-19-2008, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

I guess it's common sense for LE not to get involved even if this was stolen from OJ...( mean the Goldmans) as legally statute of limitatons of stolen items cause was long past..so OJ was well aware he couldnt do it legally via civil suit because then the Goldman's would know about it..

Once again, it was OJ running the show..the why's, the where,s and the who,s..with Riccio as the middleman...Just another example of all the behind the scenes manipulations to hide his (OJ's) assets..

LMS

What did anybody EXPECT to hear on those tapes? OJ admitting in front of a group of friends that he was too cheap to pay his mom's storage bill? Or that he thought Mike Gilbert was responsible for hiding his stuff from the Goldmans for him for the rest of his life? Like Gilbert wasn't hassled enough about hiding the Heisman Trophy for him!

AnnInOhio · #20 09-19-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by snowbird01

When do we get Mike Gilbert on the stand? Isn't he the one who will have to clarify who owned the "stuff". And, perhaps, what OJ was aware of about that? (The storage place legally auctioned it off?)

I don't think legally it matters WHO actually owned the stuff. Defense is making it matter in order to defend the matter of OJ's intent. That's why I think OJ's interrogatory will offset what OJ says.

#21 09-19-2008, 12:08 PM

Can we please have public access to the trial.....ummmm its in the Constitution.

The only public I have seen in the court is an older couple and the autograph hound.

FrankieBones1 · #22 09-19-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

Trial to resume at 8:00 Las Vegas Time

Hi, Ann. I'm time zone challenged. Is that 11am Eastern?

AnnInOhio · #23 09-19-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankieBones1

Hi, Ann. I'm time zone challenged. Is that 11am Eastern?

LOL. Yes, they're running late. I was also time zone challenged until my daughter moved to LA!

AnnInOhio · #24 09-19-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

LOL. Yes, they're running late. I was also time zone challenged until my daughter moved to LA!

Are they doing the crime scene viewing right now with the jury?

#25 09-19-2008, 12:31 PM

Good Morning...........MSNBC just said the jurors went to the HOTEL....to see how small it is......Ohhhhh bet OJ's pissed

#26 09-19-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

Are they doing the crime scene viewing right now with the jury?

Yes ma'am

AnnInOhio · #27 09-19-2008, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallen Angel

Yes ma'am

Looking at that room helps me! No way Fromong & Beasley woudn't have felt trapped with or without guns! Fromong loves that memorabilia too much to have crawled across the bed it was laid out on to get out!

AnnInOhio · #28 09-19-2008, 12:51 PM

Reading ahead on the transcripts, OJ says "the guys were there, stopped them from goin' from runnin' off with the stuff or whatever." Put this in context with his earlier statement that OJ knows if the victims tell him to get out of their room that he'll have to get out he clearly decided to control the situation.

bearwds · #29 09-19-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

Reading ahead on the transcripts, OJ says "the guys were there, stopped them from goin' from runnin' off with the stuff or whatever." Put this in context with his earlier statement that OJ knows if the victims tell him to get out of their room that he'll have to get out he clearly decided to control the situation.

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G'Mornin Ann....and all...!!

Just getting up here on the W/C. Coffee is just about ready.

Today is "International Talk Like A Pirate Day"....Arrrr

Listening to the Pool Tape yesterday, it seemed like OJ was clearly in charge of this posee. Intent clear.

bearwds

Lyndawitha"Y · #30 09-19-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by snowbird01

When do we get Mike Gilbert on the stand? Isn't he the one who will have to clarify who owned the "stuff". And, perhaps, what OJ was aware of about that? (The storage place legally auctioned it off?)

I agree Snow, I think Mike Gilbert is going to give the context as to any and all of the items that had been in storage over that decade..and how they came into these guy's possession.etc.

LMS

Cornblossom · #31 09-19-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bookclubfan

How does OJ pay for his cell phone if he doesn't have a dime to pay the civil judgement against him? How about his big hotel bill while he is on trial?

jmo

he has a football pension that can't be touched to pay the goldman's.

Ang Disaster · #32 09-19-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnInOhio

Looking at that room helps me! No way Fromong & Beasley woudn't have felt trapped with or without guns! Fromong loves that memorabilia too much to have crawled across the bed it was laid out on to get out!

I can't believe that many of those rather large men managed to not trip over each other in that shoebox.

Ang Disaster · #33 09-19-2008, 01:13 PM

Does the guy with the sign realize it's upside down?

cloe23 · #34 09-19-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by snowbird01

When do we get Mike Gilbert on the stand? Isn't he the one who will have to clarify who owned the "stuff". And, perhaps, what OJ was aware of about that? (The storage place legally auctioned it off?)

IIRC OJ's belongings were placed into a storage shed by his family. This is when OJ was sitting in jail for that year. The family for whatever reason did not pay the rent on the shed so after going through the correct legal channels the owner of the storeage company had a public auction. Really kind of sad in a way.
I can really understand anyone's passion wanting to get their personal belongings back, but why not go about it in a legal way? Now all of OJ's personal belongings very well could be locked up in Las Vegas LE evidence rooms forever. To bad for OJ's kids. IMO
Correct me pls if I am way off here.

AnnInOhio · #35 09-19-2008, 01:16 PM

Seal is up on cnn.com live coverage feed

Lyndawitha"Y · #36 09-19-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cloe23

IIRC OJ's belongings were placed into a storage shed by his family. This is when OJ was sitting in jail for that year. The family for whatever reason did not pay the rent on the shed so after going through the correct legal channels the owner of the storeage company had a public auction. Really kind of sad in a way.
I can really understand anyone's passion wanting to get their personal belongings back, but why not go about it in a legal way? Now all of OJ's personal belongings very well could be locked up in Las Vegas LE evidence rooms forever. To bad for OJ's kids. IMO
Correct me pls if I am way off here.

Hi Cloe..I think those belongings were put there by Mike Gilbert and his buddies..certainly NOT THE FAMILY of OJ..otherwise, the rent would have been paid by them..The storage was in their (Grandma) name only, thus not touchable by the Judgement..OJ knew exactly how to get his hands om them..inclding the Heinsman Trophy!!

LMS

Ang Disaster · #37 09-19-2008, 01:20 PM

Anyone have any idea why I can never get the KTLA feed to work properly? I've tried in Firefox & IE and it will play 5 seconds, then buffer, play 5 seconds, buffer some more....over and over. When the sound works, the video freezes. I can't win.

Lyndawitha"Y · #38 09-19-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ang Disaster

Anyone have any idea why I can never get the KTLA feed to work properly? I've tried in Firefox & IE and it will play 5 seconds, then buffer, play 5 seconds, buffer some more....over and over. When the sound works, the video freezes. I can't win.

Same thing for me Ang..so use CNN and lava..or the other local feed..Dang it anyway..cause I really enjoy Loni and Marta!!

LMS

AnnInOhio · #39 09-19-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cloe23

IIRC OJ's belongings were placed into a storage shed by his family. This is when OJ was sitting in jail for that year. The family for whatever reason did not pay the rent on the shed so after going through the correct legal channels the owner of the storeage company had a public auction. Really kind of sad in a way.
I can really understand anyone's passion wanting to get their personal belongings back, but why not go about it in a legal way? Now all of OJ's personal belongings very well could be locked up in Las Vegas LE evidence rooms forever. To bad for OJ's kids. IMO
Correct me pls if I am way off here.

The person I'd like to see them put on instead of Gilbert is OJ's sister. She was there not only for the packing up of the stuff at Rockingham but was at the pool during the planning of the sting. Assuming it was the same sister both times, of course. She could be heard running her yap about her mother's storage.

Ang Disaster · #40 09-19-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyndawitha"Y

Same thing for me Ang..so use CNN and lava..or the other local feed..Dang it anyway..cause I really enjoy Loni and Marta!!

LMS

Not to ask a dumb question, but what's lava?

The only links I've come across are KNBC which isn't loud enough, thelegaledge.com, and CNN.