Michelle Young 8/27/08

[bookie]

Time for a new thread.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by bookie [*]Time for a new thread. [/*]

Thank you, bookie.

Can you please bring my last post over?

I contacted CW to close the other thread.

Kat

[bookie]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]

Thank you, bookie.

Can you please bring my last post over?

I contacted CW to close the other thread.

Kat [/*]

Here you go Kat.


Kat4Eagles
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Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC [*]

So, the cops and the media are conspiring against Jason? They are both just making stuff up? [/*]
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I don't think that at all, but they made a lot of mistakes, some big ones too.

They should have personally been the ones to tell Jason about Michelle's death, they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples, they should have found the tooth, did the sexual assault exam.

Which one of those mistakes do you think will be the most costly?

Kat

I think the sexual assault exam, well the lack of, will be a costly mistake. That should have been the first thing done.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by bookie [*]


Here you go Kat.


Kat4Eagles
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Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Philly
Posts: 4387

quote:
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Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC [*]

So, the cops and the media are conspiring against Jason? They are both just making stuff up? [/*]
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I don't think that at all, but they made a lot of mistakes, some big ones too.

They should have personally been the ones to tell Jason about Michelle's death, they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples, they should have found the tooth, did the sexual assault exam.

Which one of those mistakes do you think will be the most costly?

Kat

I think the sexual assault exam, well the lack of, will be a costly mistake. That should have been the first thing done. [/*]

Thank you.


Kat

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]


Thank you.


Kat [/*]

again, pls. explain the slim shady comment...thank you in advance!

i am looking and want to hear comments about shoes...does anyone have a database to share? i am looking at few and jahve questions....thanks to all!

Originally posted by bookie [*]


Here you go Kat.


Kat4Eagles
Senior Member

Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Philly
Posts: 4387

quote:
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Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC [*]

So, the cops and the media are conspiring against Jason? They are both just making stuff up? [/*]
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I don't think that at all, but they made a lot of mistakes, some big ones too.

They should have personally been the ones to tell Jason about Michelle's death, they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples, they should have found the tooth, did the sexual assault exam.

Which one of those mistakes do you think will be the most costly?

Kat

I think the sexual assault exam, well the lack of, will be a costly mistake. That should have been the first thing done. [/*]

I don't know that anything other than the lack of the rape kit is going to be a problem if someone else is arrested. For this to be death penalty eligible, they have to have an additional crime tied to the murder. That obstacle has been overcome because there was money and jewelry taken. They can't prosecute on a sexual assault charge but the robbery/murder will lead the DA to the same outcome, imvho.

[im4justice]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC [*]Kat4Eagles
Senior Member

Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Philly
Posts: 4387


quote:Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC[*]

So, the cops and the media are conspiring against Jason? They are both just making stuff up? [/*]


"

I don't think that at all, but they made a lot of mistakes, some big ones too.

They should have personally been the ones to tell Jason about Michelle's death, they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples, they should have found the tooth, did the sexual assault exam.

Which one of those mistakes do you think will be the most costly?

Kat
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When I asked the question I was referring to shacks' post.

However, I don't think cops (or the media) do autopsies.

"they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples" Why, it wasn't going to change. His blood and DNA are going to be the same.

Wasn't the NTO done within a week?

BTW Check out this story

http://azstarnet.com/sn/metro/213879.php

This guy wore the wrong size shoes (he is a size 13 1/2 and he wore an 8 1/2) when he killed his wife. He has been convicted. [/*]

My, my, my veeerrrryy interesting!

[bookie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC [*]Kat4Eagles
Senior Member

Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Philly
Posts: 4387


quote:Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC[*]

So, the cops and the media are conspiring against Jason? They are both just making stuff up? [/*]


"

I don't think that at all, but they made a lot of mistakes, some big ones too.

They should have personally been the ones to tell Jason about Michelle's death, they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples, they should have found the tooth, did the sexual assault exam.

Which one of those mistakes do you think will be the most costly?

Kat
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When I asked the question I was referring to shacks' post.

However, I don't think cops (or the media) do autopsies.

"they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples" Why, it wasn't going to change. His blood and DNA are going to be the same.

Wasn't the NTO done within a week?

BTW Check out this story

http://azstarnet.com/sn/metro/213879.php

This guy wore the wrong size shoes (he is a size 13 1/2 and he wore an 8 1/2) when he killed his wife. He has been convicted. [/*]

He wore BOTH shoes, not one. His wife's blood was also found in hs roommates truck. Michelle's blood wasn't found in Jason's vehicle.

[JHP]

Originally posted by bookie [*]


He wore BOTH shoes, not one. His wife's blood was also found in hs roommates truck. Michelle's blood wasn't found in Jason's vehicle. [/*]

So?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by im4justice [*]

My, my, my veeerrrryy interesting! [/*]

That was a good story, that guy is scary looking.
Thank you for the link.
Kat

[enigma™]

quote:
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Originally posted by Neo
Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't understand how you think I would know who killed Michelle.

snipped for more irrelevant babble

IMO
JMO

Kat
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I think Coldwater would agree, calling another poster's post "irrelevant babble" is not acceptable here.
Hope that helps!
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I swear CW posted that calling someone an idiot was OK, so where's the harm in calling a non-response "irrelevant babble"? Idiot seems so much harsher.

[bookie]

Originally posted by JHP [*]


So? [/*]

So that is just 2 of the huge differences in the cases. A divorce was filed in that one, the marital assets had been divided and a custody battle was involved. None of those are involved in this case.

The husband in that case was linked to his dead wife by her blood being found in a truck he had access to. There was motive since he felt she was trying to take his kids away from him. And from the little that report covers there was evidence showing only 1 suspect.

Originally posted by bookie [*]


He wore BOTH shoes, not one. His wife's blood was also found in hs roommates truck. Michelle's blood wasn't found in Jason's vehicle. [/*]

Jason could be arrested tomorrow but the basis won't be because a grand jury accepted the absurd theory that Jason wore his own shoe AND another shoe two sizes too small.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC

(snipped)


BTW Check out this story

http://azstarnet.com/sn/metro/213879.php

This guy wore the wrong size shoes (he is a size 13 1/2 and he wore an 8 1/2) when he killed his wife. He has been convicted. [/*]

Thanks BSNBREVARDNC!

There goes that "impossible theory" right out the window.

MOO

Swabby

[bookie]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC [*]

You're right, Jason had mastered the art of bathing. [/*]

He also mastered the art of leaving NO blood in the bathroom drains? Or do you think the police just didn't bother to check that out also?

Originally posted by enigma™ [*]quote:
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Originally posted by Neo
Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't understand how you think I would know who killed Michelle.

snipped for more irrelevant babble

IMO
JMO

Kat
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I think Coldwater would agree, calling another poster's post "irrelevant babble" is not acceptable here.
Hope that helps!
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I swear CW posted that calling someone an idiot was OK, so where's the harm in calling a non-response "irrelevant babble"? Idiot seems so much harsher. [/*]

I don't recall CW ever condoning name-calling of any kind or the ridiculing of other posters the way you've ridiculed Kat for the last several hours. JMVHO

[bookie]

Originally posted by Neo [*]

Jason may have worn both. We don't know. [/*]

Your right, we don't know. It's also possible that 2 different suspects wearing 2 different type/sized shoes killed Michelle.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC [*]

You're right, Jason had mastered the art of bathing. [/*]

How many shoes do you think he changed into to pull off this murder? The tiniest trace could've been detected on his floorboard or gas pedal, etc. If he left bloody footprints with two different shoes then do you think he changed shoes a third time?

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun [*]

Jason could be arrested tomorrow but the basis won't be because a grand jury accepted the absurd theory that Jason wore his own shoe AND another shoe two sizes too small. [/*]

Why not?

Many on this board believe that it is possible.

Anytime you have a premeditated murder, you cannot discount ANY lengths to which the perpetrator might go, to avoid detection.

MOO

Swabby

[im4justice]

Originally posted by bookie [*]


So that is just 2 of the huge differences in the cases. A divorce was filed in that one, the marital assets had been divided and a custody battle was involved. None of those are involved in this case.

The husband in that case was linked to his dead wife by her blood being found in a truck he had access to. There was motive since he felt she was trying to take his kids away from him. And from the little that report covers there was evidence showing only 1 suspect. [/*]

I don't believe the intent was to critique the entire case The point was to show that a smaller sized shoe worn while commiting a crime is not impossible IMO

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Celiarun

I don't recall CW ever condoning name-calling of any kind or the ridiculing of other posters the way you've ridiculed Kat for the last several hours. JMVHO

It is your perception that I ridiculed. I was not ridiculing anyone. I was asking for an answer. Hope this helps.

[bookie]

Originally posted by im4justice [*]
I don't believe the intent was to critique the entire case The point was to show that a smaller sized shoe worn while commiting a crime is not impossible IMO [/*]

The problem is that we don't know someone wore a smaller shoe. Someone could have worn a bigger shoe while killing Michelle.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Neo [*]Originally posted by Kat4Eagles

I don't understand how you think I would know who killed Michelle.

snipped for more irrelevant babble

IMO
JMO

Kat

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I think Coldwater would agree, calling another poster's post "irrelevant babble" is not acceptable here.

Lets try to keep comments like these off the board.

Hope that helps! [/*]

Thank you, Neo,

I don't think it was so much babble, as it was, I didn't give the answer that they "wanted".


Kat

Originally posted by bookie [*]


The problem is that we don't know someone wore a smaller shoe. Someone could have worn a bigger shoe while killing Michelle. [/*]

and someone certainly could have picked up Jason's shoe and left a print in order to implicate him.

[enigma™]

Originally posted by Neo

Ahhh!! You are right!!!

Carry on!

(The way it was snipped looks as though the other poster was calling your post irrelevant babble. I just want to make sure the rules apply fairly to ALL)

Thanks. The way I remember CW's post, it went something like this: "... if I spent all day deleting posts where people are calling others idiots..." There was more and that is not verbatim, but she did say something to that effect. I didn't call anyone an idiot, and we have been instructed to snip posts to address the relevant part. I'm just doing what I can to save bandwidth. Now back to the case.

Will the shoes ever be found? Have they been found and LE is keeping that tidbit from the general public?

[Lindsey]

Brought from the old thread ...

Originally posted by annalyzer [*]

How do you know what their conversation consisted of before Jason hung up? [/*]

Good point. And how do we really know that Jason hung up? What if the call just got dropped and both parties thought the other party had hung up? It has happened to me and especially on calls from NC.

Speaking of phone calls, who had called Michelle on the morning of Nov 3rd and left messages on the answering machine? One warrant listed answering machine with pending messages. Did Jason call and leave a message? If so, did they do a voice stress test on his message?

[JHP]

Originally posted by 5swab5 [*]

Why not?

Many on this board believe that it is possible.

Anytime you have a premeditated murder, you cannot discount ANY lengths to which the perpetrator might go, to avoid detection.

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Exactly. And I know if I ever kill someone to wear 2 different shoe sizes. I'll even go the extra mile and make sure it's the same foot.

JMO

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie [*]


He also mastered the art of leaving NO blood in the bathroom drains? Or do you think the police just didn't bother to check that out also? [/*]

You have no way of knowing that, nobody does.

Thankfully, LE and the DA's Office have let as little as possible out about the facts in this case.

I want the conviction preserved!

MOO

Swabby

I'm so sure that they went to one of the bloodiest crime scenes they had EVER seen, with evidence of a shower having taken place, and didn't examine the tub traps, NOT!

Don't forget that "special machine" that was in the early News reports. YEP, I am convinced that they have MUCH more than we are privy to, as they should.

Originally posted by enigma™ [*]

Thanks. The way I remember CW's post, it went something like this: "... if I spent all day deleting posts where people are calling others idiots..." There was more and that is not verbatim, but she did say something to that effect. I didn't call anyone an idiot, and we have been instructed to snip posts to address the relevant part. I'm just doing what I can to save bandwidth. Now back to the case.

Will the shoes ever be found? Have they been found and LE is keeping that tidbit from the general public? [/*]

iirc, nowhere in that post did CW even imply that calling another poster an idiot was acceptable. You didn't just snip Kat's post, you called her post "irrelevant babble."

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Lindsey [*]Brought from the old thread ...



Good point. And how do we really know that Jason hung up? What if the call just got dropped and both parties thought the other party had hung up? It has happened to me and especially on calls from NC.

Speaking of phone calls, who had called Michelle on the morning of Nov 3rd and left messages on the answering machine? One warrant listed answering machine with pending messages. Did Jason call and leave a message? If so, did they do a voice stress test on his message? [/*]

Boy, have you been missed.

Good question!!

I doubt Jason did one of those "Hi Beautiful, just me, Scott messages.!!


Kat

Originally posted by Lindsey [*]Brought from the old thread ...



Good point. And how do we really know that Jason hung up? What if the call just got dropped and both parties thought the other party had hung up? It has happened to me and especially on calls from NC.

Speaking of phone calls, who had called Michelle on the morning of Nov 3rd and left messages on the answering machine? One warrant listed answering machine with pending messages. Did Jason call and leave a message? If so, did they do a voice stress test on his message? [/*]

you raise an interesting point. I wonder if LE did a voice stress test on Meredith Fisher's 911 call? I think they probably would do that.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by JHP [*]

Exactly. And I know if I ever kill someone to wear 2 different shoe sizes. I'll even go the extra mile and make sure it's the same foot.

JMO [/*]

Myself!

Lordy, I don't want anything to ever happen to my husband. I won't even let him climb a 4' ladder without a sky hook.

LE would have a field day with my searches on the Internet.

Why doesn't anyone want to talk about the jewelry that Pat Young "reported" missing that was looked for in that last 3 search warrants in and around areas that Jason frequented?

MOO

Swabby

[bookie]

Originally posted by 5swab5 [*]

You have no way of knowing that, nobody does.

Thankfully, LE and the DA's Office have let as little as possible out about the facts in this case.

I want the conviction preserved!

MOO

Swabby

I'm so sure that they went to one of the bloodiest crime scenes they had EVER seen, with evidence of a shower having taken place, and didn't examine the tub traps, NOT!

Don't forget that "special machine" that was in the early News reports. YEP, I am convinced that they have MUCH more than we are privy to, as they should. [/*]

Did you miss the question marks at the end of both sentences? They should have indicated to you that questions were being asked.

[5swab5]

Originally posted by Celiarun [*]

you raise an interesting point. I wonder if LE did a voice stress test on Meredith Fisher's 911 call? I think they probably would do that. [/*]

What difference would it make?

IF Meredith had anything to do with Michelle's murder, there is NO way that she would have gone to that house at Jason's request. PERIOD!

MOO

Swabby

[enigma™]

Originally posted by 5swab5

What difference would it make?

IF Meredith had anything to do with Michelle's murder, there is NO way that she would have gone to that house at Jason's request. PERIOD!

MOO

Swabby

I agree. And, it would be no wonder if Meredith's emergency call showed signs of stress. She found her sister bludgeoned to death and her niece walking around in the aftermath.

(sorry to answer it in your post, but I'm tired of being berated by the JII crowd)

[5swab5]

Originally posted by bookie [*]

Did you miss the question marks at the end of both sentences? They should have indicated to you that questions were being asked. [/*]

Of course I didn't. I hope I answered them.

MOO

Swabby

Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC [*]Kat4Eagles
Senior Member

Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Philly
Posts: 4387


quote:Originally posted by BSNBREVARDNC[*]

So, the cops and the media are conspiring against Jason? They are both just making stuff up? [/*]


"

I don't think that at all, but they made a lot of mistakes, some big ones too.

They should have personally been the ones to tell Jason about Michelle's death, they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples, they should have found the tooth, did the sexual assault exam.

Which one of those mistakes do you think will be the most costly?

Kat
---------------------------------------------------

When I asked the question I was referring to shacks' post.

However, I don't think cops (or the media) do autopsies.

"they should have not taken so long to bring Jason in for blood and DNA samples" Why, it wasn't going to change. His blood and DNA are going to be the same.

Wasn't the NTO done within a week?

BTW Check out this story

http://azstarnet.com/sn/metro/213879.php

This guy wore the wrong size shoes (he is a size 13 1/2 and he wore an 8 1/2) when he killed his wife. He has been convicted. [/*]

Green [the prosecutor]said at trial that the shoe prints could be unrelated to the murder or that Knight could have worn smaller shoes.
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/blogs/i...=34&m=20080204

oops

[bookie]

Originally posted by 5swab5 [*]

Of course I didn't. I hope I answered them.

MOO

Swabby [/*]

You being "sure" or convinced" that the police checked doesn't answer the questions. Those are assumptions.

Originally posted by 5swab5 [*]

What difference would it make?

IF Meredith had anything to do with Michelle's murder, there is NO way that she would have gone to that house at Jason's request. PERIOD!

MOO

Swabby [/*]

Sorry, but there is no way you can know that.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by Celiarun [*]

Jason could be arrested tomorrow but the basis won't be because a grand jury accepted the absurd theory that Jason wore his own shoe AND another shoe two sizes too small. [/*]

Kat