7/01 Lewisburg Press Conf

[tonyGricar]

Just a heads up that those of you local to the State College/Lewisburg media region that there is a press conference currently being held at the park in Lewisburg (2pm EDT). Montour County DA Bob Buehner is holding it and I've already been contacted by various local tv/print media for reaction.

Haven't visited this board in a couple of months, so I'm well out of the loop on any of the current discussion. I'm not attending the press conf as I'm on vacation, but just wanted to let you all know.

[tonyGricar]

http://www.standard-journal.com/news...-new-on-Gricar

Any word what was said?

[tonyGricar]

Just did a phone interview with WJAC-TV out of Johnstown. I'd assume it'll be on the early evening news.

Officials Criticize Missing DA Investigation; Say Gricar Was Murdered
http://www.wjactv.com/news/16761843/detail.html

[J. J. in Phila]

They are both right on calling for a better investigation by a different agency and they did said it before.

I think it will fall on deaf ears, so far as MM and TC are concerned.

Montour County DA blasts Gricar investigation
http://www.centredaily.com/news/brea...ry/691099.html

[J. J. in Phila]

The text of Buehner's letter:

http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/story/691532.html

[Politigal]

About *da#m* time....

It would be nice to know more about the Route 15 sighting mentioned in Buehner's letter...when and where. From the way it was worded, it appears they were both traveling south on 15, somewhere between Williamsport and Harrisburg (or US 322 at Amity Hall), and at a time in the afternoon which would not have allowed the 3 pm sighting in Bellefonte.

Buehner resigns from PDAA in protest.
http://community.centredaily.com/?q=node/5240

Ray Gricar: Gone but not forgotten
http://community.centredaily.com/?q=node/5239

DA alleges wrongdoing in missing prosecutor case - Madeira and investigators sitting on critical information...doing nothing...ignoring certain leads...and the AG going out of his way to ignore Gricar's disappearance.

http://www.pennlive.com/newsflash/in...storylist=penn

Originally posted by logicworks <Snip>
........ same DA who feels no need to respond to his fellow DA, also feels NO need to respond to anyone in the county, anyone who voted him into office, anyone who pays his extremely high salary.

.....or CC voters, come the next DA election. No need to respond to anyone, least of all me. And I so wanted to ask him:
- what private company he sent the hard drive to...or if he was still just thinking about doing it?
- how that search for the mystery woman was coming along, more than 3 years later?
- when LE might get around to interviewing all relevant parties?
- will he fold his tent if JM is elected AG this year?
- etc. MOstupidO

[puzzled]

He makes me wanna puke! He does not give a crap about Ray and he never has! Poor Patty has to look at his face every day! He had the nerve to post on here back in the day when he should have been out busting his butt to find Ray! He is not to be trusted at all and I have said it all along!

Originally posted by puzzled <Snip>
He had the nerve to post on here back in the day when he should have been out busting his butt to find Ray!

MM posted here?

logicworks - it says witness was going from LH to Hburg. That would be south. Unless slowed in traffic, 2 cars on Route 15 approach each other at 70 to 120 mph. Not conducive to seeing a driver, especially where there is a median. I was figuring more like side-by-side (as in passing). But it could be RG was heading north, in slowed traffic and where there was no median...or was stopped at an intersection, or along the road, etc.

ETA - from my experience, the only time I see a driver's face well enough to recognize him is when I am passing or being passed.

[Cloudbuster]

SJ called me earlier and gave me a update about what she saw on TV. Her PC is down and she can't get on here. She told me MM said something about it's his county and he will run it his way??? What the heck ever happened to the county being the people's county? We the people? So I guess if your in a position of power you own the county and I suppose the investagations in it? Maybe that's why someone wanted him in that position. I now question the reason why he is. Anyways SJ is upset for the family in how he said what he said. I need to read all the links to catch up. I need to look at what you got up S1 on the word south of.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster . Her PC is down and she can't get on here. She told me MM said something about it's his county and he will run it his way??? What the heck ever happened to the county being the people's county? We the people? So I guess if your in a position of power you own the county and I suppose the investagations in it? Maybe that's why someone wanted him in that position.

I was wondering about SJ.

I the quote was given above.

Ironically, one of the people that wanted MM to win (at least the Primary) was RFG.

The people have been silent so far. Hopefully, that will change!

[puzzled]

S1 I believe that MM was the one who posted that we would choke on our mouse if we knew who he was! Was that Billy Wahoo? I can't remember what his username was. He sent me a pm once when he was leaving the board.

[gstickley]

I was just able to watch 11:00 PM news on WJAC-TV. Wow! Saw BB & TM, my 2 new favorite heroes. The story was the lead in the news & was pretty lengthy. Hopefully, someone will be able to bring it to the forum; it wasn't available just now.

Thanks for allowing me to finally see & hear some 'good' news about this case. And blessings upon you, BB & TM!

[J. J. in Phila]

Though he predated me, I thought that MM was Billy Wahoo. Write William Wahoo's initials on a sheet of paper, then invert it.

Tell me the initials you get?

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by logicworks [*]


Considering the primary didn't take place until after RG disappeared, if he changed his mind, possibly he wasn't given the opportunity to 'retract'.

Silence of the people??? Hundreds of questions, never answered. "Let me get back to you later". "Any one else have any ideas?" "I'll check on that and let you know", and on and on and on...........that's not silence, JJ...... just another form of shutting the public out.
JMO [/*]

Missed leads, 20/20 vision, the anniversary pieces. There has a lot from PB, but no public outcry.

It would very unlikely to be retracted, especially since RFG praised MM's courtroom conduct. It's quite ironic now.

[Cloudbuster]

Hat's off to BB and Ted M.

I thought RG didn't like TC but know it's pretty obvious. CDT

• When asked about Gricar's relationship with Tom Corbett, Buehner said his knowledge on the subject was limited, but "I don't think they were close friends at all." He pointed to the Attorney General having a narcotics office in State College.

"I'm not sure they always saw eye to eye because some things overlapped."

http://community.centredaily.com/?q=node/5239

Now I know why my finger got burnt. The relationship was not a eye to eye one.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Cloudbuster [*]Hat's off to BB and Ted M.

I thought RG didn't like TC but know it's pretty obvious. CDT

• When asked about Gricar's relationship with Tom Corbett, Buehner said his knowledge on the subject was limited, but "I don't think they were close friends at all." He pointed to the Attorney General having a narcotics office in State College.

"I'm not sure they always saw eye to eye because some things overlapped."

http://community.centredaily.com/?q=node/5239

Now I know why my finger got burnt. The relationship was not a eye to eye one. [/*]

That could explain RFG's appearance in the photo. He wasn't happy to be in TC's presence.

[Cloudbuster]

Originally posted by J. J. in Phila [*]

That could explain RFG's appearance in the photo. He wasn't happy to be in TC's presence. [/*]

JJ your channeling me
BTW SJ asked about you today.
I think TC and RG had some disagreeing going on. I need to study some more to see what surfaces.

Today's CDT article:
http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/story/691931.html

"Madeira 'did nothing' in response [to his letter], Buehner said. 'He did absolutely nothing for four weeks. This is the state that the investigation (is in) and it is shameful, it is reprehensible, and, frankly, it’s intolerable. The investigation that should have been done has not been done in this case.'”

McKnight joined Buehner in saying, "...Madeira does not appear to have interest in the case and Bellefonte police do not have the time or manpower the investigation needs. 'Clearly,' Buehner said, 'they don’t have the resources to do anything.' But Corbett will not act, Buehner said."

“'The more people who are standing up and screaming, the better,' Tony Gricar said when reached after the news conference. '(Buehner and McKnight) have a local voice there that we just don’t have. Anything that we can do to get a bigger organization with the knowledge and the manpower to investigate this, we will do.'”

[gstickley]

Press conference theme miffs cop
http://www.dailyitem.com/homepage/l..._184000019.html


Thanks, S1, for the above. (I probably won't sleep well tonight worrying about 'the chief' and his 'agitation' and his being 'miffed'.) This is the person supposedly in charge of the so-called investigation for the past 2+ years, yet he has to get a letter from BB to even think about sending the hardrive to another agency. According to the above, now he has to see if he can get the hardrive back from LA; if nothing was found in LA, why wasn't the hardrive already returned to him????? This is also the person in charge when the 'mistakements' were made by the #1 investigator DZ; wonder why he didn't catch them as they occurred or if it was more convenient to just let them slide???? This is the person who has quite enough help in his so-called investigation. Were all RG's files checked out? Were the co-workers, neighbors, etc., interviewed? What effort was made to locate the MW after the first week or so?

Bless you BB & TM . . .

All JMOO:

OMG - I just finished listening to WKOK's "On the Mark" today. Nearly the entire program was on Ray Gricar. Buehner called in, as did TC's flack...the snivelling KH. WKOK said they have calls out to all of the parties mentioned in yesterday's press conference, and that MM's comments would be aired in a news broadcast later today.

Anyway, KH said TC was "not available" at the moment. For a spokesperson, he was clearly nervous (shaky voice) speaking to the moderators...knowing that Buehner was listening...but KH managed to sputter through his usual dribble. Buehner put him (and his boss) down...royally. You should listen to this program. It should be available today sometime at: http://www.wkok.com/1070_WKOK/OTM.htm
On the Mark - Wednesday

[gstickley]

Check out today's CDT, People. Amazingly, Ray Gricar and yesterday's press conference is featured on Page 1. And, can you believe it, Karen Arnold's Magnificant Manuscript is also featured! Will wonders never cease??? Also, check out the 'warm & fuzzy' Comments section.

Bless you, BB & TM.

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by gstickley [*]Check out today's CDT, People. Amazingly, Ray Gricar and yesterday's press conference is featured on Page 1. And, can you believe it, Karen Arnold's Magnificant Manuscript is also featured! Will wonders never cease??? Also, check out the 'warm & fuzzy' Comments section.

Bless you, BB & TM. [/*]

When there is news on the case, they cover it well.

This was picked up in Pittsburgh as well.

http://post-gazette.com/pg/08184/894214-100.stm

[ladyheartfixer]

I for one remember the "choke on your mouse" comment as it gave me the creeps...at the time I just dismissed it as someone with an over inflated ego...but then...who else except MM seems to have an over inflated ego in this case...MOO

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by ladyheartfixer [*]I for one remember the "choke on your mouse" comment as it gave me the creeps...at the time I just dismissed it as someone with an over inflated ego...but then...who else except MM seems to have an over inflated ego in this case...MOO [/*]

It's very possible that both candidates for DA were posting, and active.

I found some of BW's comments about JKA interesting (as she did).

[gstickley]

Originally posted by gstickley [*]Check out today's CDT, People. Amazingly, Ray Gricar and yesterday's press conference is featured on Page 1. And, can you believe it, Karen Arnold's Magnificant Manuscript is also featured! Will wonders never cease??? Also, check out the 'warm & fuzzy' Comments section.

Bless you, BB & TM. [/*]

Well, so much for fair & unbiased reporting. The 'warm & fuzzy' Comments section is no more. Probably because it was very pro-BB, TM, RG, finally something might be happening in the so-called investigation & anti-MM & the so-called non investigation. Apparently, criticism of the current DA is a no-no. I hope you had the opportunity to read the Comments, as there appeared to be many posters disillusioned with MM.

Bless you, BB & TM.

JMO

[gstickley]

WTAJ TV has a web poll: "Do you agree with criticism of the Center Co. DA's handling of the Ray Gricar Case?"

Currently, the results are:
Yes: 316 - or 68%;
No: 149 - or 32%


Bless you, BB & TM.

[Politigal]

It's interesting to me that per the articles, Buehner had Tony & Lara's blessing to proceed ....

Buehner said he has been in contact with Gricar’s daughter, Lara, and his nephew, Tony, who has served as family spokesman. He said he had their blessing to go public with his concerns.

but I find no mention of Patty Fornicola's blessing...

hmmm

[J. J. in Phila]

Originally posted by Politigal [*]It's interesting to me that per the articles, Buehner had Tony & Lara's blessing to proceed ....

Buehner said he has been in contact with Gricar’s daughter, Lara, and his nephew, Tony, who has served as family spokesman. He said he had their blessing to go public with his concerns.

but I find no mention of Patty Fornicola's blessing...

hmmm [/*]

Considering she works at the Centre County DA's office, I doubt that she could publicly stand up say her boss is an idiot (and expect to have a job the next day).

[Cinderella]

Can speaking the truth get you fired?

[Politigal]

Originally posted by J. J. in Phila [*]

Considering she works at the Centre County DA's office, I doubt that she could publicly stand up say her boss is an idiot (and expect to have a job the next day). [/*]

And explain to me why she *would* continue to work for the guy when he's done nothing on Gricar's behalf???

Originally posted by gstickley
Well, so much for fair & unbiased reporting. The 'warm & fuzzy' Comments section is no more. Probably because it was very pro-BB, TM, RG, finally something might be happening in the so-called investigation & anti-MM & the so-called non investigation. Apparently, criticism of the current DA is a no-no. I hope you had the opportunity to read the Comments, as there appeared to be many posters disillusioned with MM.

Bless you, BB & TM.

Here are the reader comments regarding yesterday's article in the CDT:
http://pod01.prospero.com/n/pfx/foru...tretm&tid=4885

And regarding today's article in the CDT:
http://pod01.prospero.com/n/pfx/foru...tretm&tid=4886