Police Abuse in Ohio

[sandyfromoh]

There was a thread on this subject, and can't find it anywhere, so started a new one. There was information yesterday on the case, and I have enclosed a link. Sorry if this is not the correct way to start a thread, I would rather have the old one back!
Here is the link:

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/news_...91761&catid=45

[sandyfromoh]

Originally posted by Beebee [*]

There is still Hope Steffey's suit in federal court. IIRC that is set for December.

I too am shocked and sicked at the GJ decision. [/*]

I too am shocked and sickend, giving the POW detainees at Gitmo the right by our Supreme Court to have a trial, and nothing for our citizens against this kind of treatment by police. What is happening to our country?

[sandyfromoh]

Originally posted by Beebee [*]

Sandy, the AG is still looking at it (supposedly)... maybe we should try writing? I did before but that dude is now gone [/*]

I sent a personal message to John, he wrote everyone, numberous times, since the original thread was closed, I haven't seen him, hopefully he will find us again!! I also noticed it is back on You Tube. I've sent emails all over the country with the link to WKYC's coverage. I'm just hoping for John, he wrote or called the AG's office a couple times that I noticed. I will try sending to Nancy Grace AGAIN and Greta AGAIN, maybe the exclusive is off of WKYC.

[sandyfromoh]

I've sent the 2 you tube videos to Nancy Grace, again. We shall see.

I also contacted Coldwater about what happened to the other Board, and she couldn't find it either. Too bad as John had so many good links on it. I don't think WKYC is going to drop looking into this either, which is good news.

[sandyfromoh]

Here is another woman coming forward:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NFebJiiK-EU

[k_can004]

Outrageous!!!!!!!!

[sandyfromoh]

This was on WKYC last night, I don't think they will be giving up on this, I certainly hope not. I will get the link for it and put it in.

[sandyfromoh]

Here is the story from last night, it also has the video on the right.

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/news_...=91848&catid=3

[sandyfromoh]

Originally posted by Rescue1 [*]

I agree. I still believe this woman's behavior started the confrontation, and continued it. I'll reserve judgement, but she certainly should'nt be given a free pass for her part. Had it been a young black male that behaved as such, wonder what the ferver would be, and not the ferver for Jesse Jackson and Al. [/*]

SHE CALLED THE POLICE!!!!What behavior are you talking about? Did you watch the videos? So you think this is justified? I don't care what she said to them, this is still a country where our military were court martialed because they shamed the Prisoners at Gitmo. So the POW's have more rights in our country than our citizens? And why bring in the race? There is nothing racial about this!!!

[LisaM22]

Originally posted by Manchester [*]Wow I have been following this and I am saddened that all deputies have been cleared. Unbelievable. [/*]

that is crazy, I can't believe they were cleared either hopefully this is not the end of it

[sandyfromoh]

First off, I don't care WHAT she said or did, this is unwarrented behavior on the sheriffs dept. Last I looked, this isn't Nazi Germany or a communist country, and I saw enough on the videos. There are 4 or 5 other women who have come forward with the same kind of story, one is a correction officer (woman)! I really hope something like this never happens to you. I know I won't be driving into Stark County without being afraid. My wish would be that Hope gets justice in her lawsuit, as she will never again be the same. I'm not the same just watching this, it has disturbed me and reminded me of the autrocities of Nazi Germany. I can't see this woman fighting or hurting those poor little policemen and women. And if what she said was not nice, I still don't think she should have been treated like that. And they have used the "suicidal" tendencies on the other women they did this to.

[LisaM22]

if we had a video like this of any other crime in progress there would be no doubt - not to mention others have made the same complaints - maybe they will still be charged later - they still can be - they were not found not guilty by a jury - jmho

[sandyfromoh]

Originally posted by LisaM22 [*]if we had a video like this of any other crime in progress there would be no doubt - not to mention others have made the same complaints - maybe they will still be charged later - they still can be - they were not found not guilty by a jury - jmho [/*]

[LisaM22]

Originally posted by Rescue1 [*]

Apparently, you're wrong, so far the court has decided it WAS Warranted! Please, do tell, what are your experiences with the atrocities of Nazi Germany, that you would compare this nonsense to it???? [/*]

no they did not decide it was Warranted, they decided not enough proof to be charged yet, it was only a grand jury hearing, not a trial - jmho

[sandyfromoh]

Originally posted by LisaM22 [*]

no they did not decide it was Warranted, they decided not enough proof to be charged yet, it was only a grand jury hearing, not a trial - jmho [/*]

Lisa, you can't ague with IDIOTS, that's why I put both on ignore. Suggest you do the same, some people just go to boards to argue against what everyone else thinks. By answering them, you just fuel them. There is no one that I know (I've sent the videos to people all over) that thinks that Hope deserved this. I won't argue with these kind of people, not worth it!

[incidentally]

As disturbing as I found the video clip, I personally could not/would not be able to make a decision based soley on it's content.

[SwineFeld]

Yeah the video does look disturbing. What we've seen of it. BUT, I would like to see and hear everything from start to finish. Like, what was said when they got to her house. How did or didn't she refuse to cooperate? They mentioned how they asked her to remove her own clothes first and she refused. I would also like to see that part. Was she out of control the entire time? Etc. There is so much missing.

Sure the little clips we've seen don't look good. But, there are MANY times when videos like this surface and parts are missing so that it looks bad for one of the parties involved over the other.

For instance, that tape of that 5 year old girl getting cuffed a few years back. They only let out a small clip of the video at first and it was of the girl screaming and crying "I'll be good" and the cops cuffing her as if they didn't hear her pleas. Everyone was outraged. Then, a few days later, we saw more. This time the entire video showed this kid being totally out of control, hitting teachers, climbing on desks, tossing books and objects around the room and at people, not listening when teachers asked her to stop, etc. Then, right before the cops entered the room, she was told that if she didn't stop and sit down she would be cuffed so that she wouldn't hurt herself or others. She was told this MANY times. She didn't care and continued on acting a fool tossing things and climbing the desk and slapping out at the teacher. Then, the cops walk in and she quick sits in the seat and immediately starts crying "I'll be good I promise." Yeah, sure looked different once ya saw the whole thing and MANY people changed their opinions on the story/situation. They saw how it was necessary to cuff her to stop her from lashing out and hurting herself and others.

Anyway, based on what I saw of this video, the only thing I can disagree with THUS far is the fact that the male officers were involved in the removal of her clothes. But other than that, I'd have to see more (like the things I described above) to make a decision.

[LisaM22]

Originally posted by Beebee [*]I have the original complaint filed by Hope's lawyers here:

http://sleuthingforjustice.com/viewtopic.php?t=1523

(you can download the pdf file)

Swinefed the thing is, Hope was screaming and crying because they were ripping her clothes off!!

Why would they feel the need to strip her naked and leave her that way??!!!!!!

How is this justified in any way, shape or form?? [/*]

it is not justified in any way shape or form imo

[sandyfromoh]

Originally posted by Beebee [*]


Sandy,

Swanson is up for re-election in Nov. -- we are both in NE Ohio.

Is it legal to go to the polls with a picture of Hope getting her clothes ripped off by those animals??

If so I will be happy to meet you there!!!! [/*]

I'd love to go to the polls with the picture of Hope, unfortunately(or should I say Thank God) I'm in Cuyahoga County, not Stark, so can't vote against Swanson!

[sandyfromoh]

Originally posted by Beebee [*]

I'm not in Stark either. Doesn't mean we can't visit the polls

Dordea has already made it an issue in his campaign, so I'm sure he wouldn't mind the free help

All joking aside, I wonder if it would be possible to get a group together for this very purpose?? Swanson needs to be voted OUT, and with Dordea making it an issue, he will have to act in Hope's favor and possibly discipline the people involved?? [/*]

Too be very honest, I'm afraid to go to Stark!! I had to go a couple months ago (I drive for a dealer), and made sure I obeyed every law. If the Sheriffs would ever stop me, my mouth is very wicked, and I'd be the next Hope, and I couldn't take that, I'd end up locking myself up and never going out again, that's why I'm so upset about this. To be robbed of your dignity and your human rights. Don't know what is happening to this country anymore that there are some out there that think this was warrented. Yet those are the same crying over the harsh punishment of those poor prisoners at guantanemo. I'm a senior citizen and have had nothing but pride for our country, but when I see and hear things like Hope's, I just don't get it!

[John7878]

Originally posted by sandyfromoh [*]

I sent a personal message to John, he wrote everyone, numberous times, since the original thread was closed, I haven't seen him, hopefully he will find us again!! I also noticed it is back on You Tube. I've sent emails all over the country with the link to WKYC's coverage. I'm just hoping for John, he wrote or called the AG's office a couple times that I noticed. I will try sending to Nancy Grace AGAIN and Greta AGAIN, maybe the exclusive is off of WKYC. [/*]

Hi, I am here. I had been busy with some stuff around the house. And also my wife had some medical problems come up and I have been dealing with them.

I have already sent a donation to Larry Dordea through paypal. Asking him for only one thing, no more travesties like Hope Steffy's and the others bringing suit against Stark County.

I did hear about the grand jury decision.
But since no other evidence was disclosed, and no one knows what evidence they were presented with, I have no idea how they arrived at their decision.

For all we know this could have been set up like the Ed Rosenthal trial.
The jury was presented with evidence of Ed growing marijuana and they convicted him.
There was only ONE piece of evidence the jury was NOT allowed to know. That he had a California State License to grow medical marijuana!!! (Members of the jury sent him a letter of apology after finding out.)
So who knows what is happening here.

As I said before, at the beginning of June I called the State of Ohio Atty General's office and after bouncing me from person to person, they still couldn't tell me who was investigating and suggested I call the Sheriff's office.
Carrie, the sheriff's secretary said they didn't know anyone investigating.
A call back to the state, got me the same advice, call the sheriff. Since they didn't even know what division was doing the investigation. So I again called the sheriff's and this time talked to the head jailer at the county jail. He also said that he knew of NO ONE investigating the Hope Steffy case.
I again called the sheriff and left my name & number with the secretary and was told that he would contact me.
I have yet to get that return call.

So you can see how I am wondering if an investigation was even actually done, let alone how thorough it was.

But I have AGAIN 6-23-2008 contacted the sheriff's office.
Since they wouldn't comment on anything until the investigation was over, I thought I'd ask some questions.

The sheriff was AGAIN not available and I AGAIN left my name & number, reminding them that I had already been waiting weeks for a call.

I have also called the State Atty General's office again today 6-23-2008.

Paul Scarsella, the Chief of the Special Prosecutions Section for the Attorney General’s Office, the one investigating this is supposed to call me tomorrow.

Hopefully I will get some questions answered.

[sandyfromoh]

Originally posted by John7878 [*]

Hi, I am here. I had been busy with some stuff around the house. And also my wife had some medical problems come up and I have been dealing with them.





Hopefully I will get some questions answered.

[/*]

Welcome Back John!! Hope your wife is doing okay, I'll send some prayers her way.
I sure hope you hear back from ANYONE! Thank you so much for being such a caring person, I hope that everyone appreciates all the work you are doing about this, I certainly do.

[John7878]

Originally posted by tirante [*]I believe the grand jury had more info than what is available to the general public. [/*]

Just got off the phone with Paul Scarsella, the Chief of the Special Prosecutions Section for the Attorney General’s Office.

NOTHING presented to the grand jury can be discussed.

We will NEVER know until the December trial. It WILL be public and all evidence will be presented there. So he said I'd have to wait for that trial.

So I tried to ask a few general questions.

How are men allowed in a "suicide prevention"?

His answer, every county has their own rules.

My reply: But this is against federal law.

His answer: then it would have to be resolved by them.
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Was ANY of the people involved polygraphed?

His answer: What relevance would that have?

My answer: To find out the truth.

His reply: No one was polygraphed.
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Did you interview everyone from the original arrest?

His reply: Yes and she was convicted in trial.

My reply: And how many witnesses testified against her?

His R: The two deputies against her and ALL her relation FOR her.

My R: So she was originally convicted only on the word of the police, with no video evidence.

His R: Yes.
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What was exhibit "F" at her trial?

His R: Don't know, you'd have to contact them.
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How do YOU personally feel about the jail policy of men stripping women?

His R: Not going to comment.
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NOTE*

I again called him back to clarify some things.
His claim is that the news accounts are wrong.
She was left naked for 3 hours and then put in a suicide suit.
That the sheriff's dept never agreed that they had left her for 6 hours.

I told him about the calls trying to find out who was investigating this. And how it looked like the sheriff was never willing to discuss the case.

His reply was that the sheriff was in litigation and couldn't talk about it.

I agreed that he couldn't talk about certain things, but that I had general questions about operations at the jail also.

His reply, he wasn't responsible for others contacting me.....

My response, yes I know, but then can you understand why I was skeptical about this whole case.


His final bottom line: I was asked to investigate criminal charges against the police. I investigated and we presented the evidence to the grand jury and they were found innocent.


PS Still no call from Jim Swanson.

[sandyfromoh]

Originally posted by DoggyDeBardo [*]Let's be truthful - A large percentage of all cops became cops just so they could be legal bullies. We all know some.

We shouldn't be surprised that many get caught. [/*]

[John7878]

[quote]Originally posted by tirante [*]Still true. The grand jury had more info than the general public, since a 2 minute tape is all that is available to the

Please post the link to this. Since no information was to be discussed, I'd like to see who posted this.

Originally posted by tirante [*]
Female guards are frequently present when male prisoners are strip searched.

http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.a...2-07-0147.html


From the link:
"..The United States is one of only a handful of countries where staff of the opposite gender is permitted to supervise inmates while they are nude, said Brenda V. Smith, a law professor at American University and an expert on sexual issues in prisons..." [/*]

From what I have found rules governing this vary WILDLY from state to state, and even from county to county, and sometimes city to city.

And still don't make it right. (Or legal.)

Look at the rules for Nevada prisons once, they are unreal!

[John7878]

Originally posted by DoggyDeBardo [*]Let's be truthful - A large percentage of all cops became cops just so they could be legal bullies. We all know some.

We shouldn't be surprised that many get caught. [/*]

Can't find the link, but investigations showed that the Chicago police had about 5% that were MOST of the problems in complaints. I can't rem the ratio off the top of my head and too tired to look....sorry.

The biggest problem was that even after 50 complaints, the officers were not even flagged to watch for problems!!

Sure there might be a bigger percentage that "gets off" on the 'status' of being a cop. But all in all most are just doing a job.

But in the Hope Steffy case I believe that the deputies & jail staff conspired to punish Steffy.

[Rowan]

Originally posted by incidentally [*]As disturbing as I found the video clip, I personally could not/would not be able to make a decision based soley on it's content. [/*]

exactly!

[Rowan]

Originally posted by DoggyDeBardo [*]

Another freedom-hater heard from.

Why don't you move to some country that doesn't have the Constitutional rights that you, apparently, feel we don't need to protect. [/*]

Holy cow! Just because some of us are willing to give LE the benefit of the doubt here, not knowing ALL of the evidence, you make those kinds of comments?

Frankly, the fact that you and others are accepting a video at face value and are willing to condemn LE and the judicial system as corrupt based on that frightens me more than anything.

Zealots rarely listen to the whole story or any other side of it.

Wow. You called him/her a "freedom hater" because more facts were requested before judgment? Man, that is just wrong.

[incidentally]

Since we've only seen a very short clip of one side of the story I am unwilling to even speculate on this particular event. I did however find this link on "use of force continuum-Ohio". It is written by a gentleman named Samuel Faulkner who is with the Ohio Peace Officer Training Academy.

It is an interesting read (especially page 6).

http://www.ag.state.oh.us/le/trainin...useofforce.pdf

[John7878]

Originally posted by tirante [*]"..But in the Hope Steffy case I believe..."

The KEY word is-----"believe".

Belief is not factual; thank goodness! [/*]

Right, like you "believe" that the grand jury had more evidence than we have seen so far.

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Originally posted by tirante[*]Still true. The grand jury had more info than the general public, since a 2 minute tape is all that is available to the

Please post the link to this. Since no information was to be discussed, I'd like to see who posted this.
========================

Or do you have that link I asked for??

[John7878]

Originally posted by tirante [*]

Of course the GJ had more info than a 2 minute tape. It is foolish to imagine otherwise.

Ohio grand juries:
http://www.ohiobar.org/pub/lycu/index.asp?articleid=62 [/*]

I didn't need a link for a definition of a GJ.

I wanted the link supporting your "belief" that they had more information that we have already seen.

But I see you have over reached yourself with your "beliefs" also.

Since we don't know what they had, why would it be foolish to believe that they had any more than was already shown??
If NO information can be released, how do we know what instructions were given to the jury?
How do we know how well the investigation was conducted?
How do we KNOW they had more info than we have?

All I can base my "belief" on is what I have seen and experienced so far.

The sheriff has been very reluctant to release any audio/video to the news or Steffy's lawyers.

I personally called the sheriff's office after I was contacted by the newsman doing this story, and was told that as of May 6th the sheriff still had NOT released requested video/audio.

I asked if it would EVER be released to the news or Steffy's lawyers, the sheriff's secretary, Carrie said that it would "probably" be released to Steffy's lawyers in discovery.

PROBABLY?!?!?!?! Are they kidding??

BTW The sheriff did not turn over the FIRST tape we saw when Steffy's lawyers asked for all the info....Gee, would THIS be what they mean by 'discovery'?

They had to file to get that tape specifically.

QUOTE: "The 16-page complaint notes in the fifth claim for relief that the sheriff produced thousands of pages of requested records, but “specifically failed to produce the videotape of the strip search.”

So if lawyers ask for evidence in this case, and the sheriff KNOWS he is supposed to turn over ALL evidence in his possession, and its not turned over would this be a crime, or would the sheriff's dept claim it was an 'oversight'?!?!??!

Good thing they asked twice, huh?

[John7878]

Originally posted by tirante [*]You win! Obviously, all the GJ had was a blank piece of paper.

Sheeesh! [/*]

All I am saying is that we can't speculate on what they had, because we don't know.

I know its logical to THINK that they would be privy to more info than what we have seen from the news, but it doesn't make it so.

The natural conclusion is since that the jury brought no charges that all parties are innocent. But it can also mean there wasn't enough evidence.

Plus as I pointed out with the Rosenthal case, jury instructions and evidence presented, can sometimes be very skewed.

Originally posted by tirante [*]

What is really disturbing is making a decision based on two minutes of video.

BTW---I NEVER defended ANYTHING! I only said that more info is required to make an informed opinion. [/*]

I have done a LOT more than just watch the different half dozen videos out there.

One of the first things I did was look up Steffy's arrest record. I like to know just who I am standing up for.
Besides this mess, she has nothing, not even a speeding ticket.

I have talked to Stark county prosecutor John Ferrero.

I have talked to the head of the Correctional HealthCare Group, the people that decide who is suicidal at the Stark County jail.

I contacted Court Administrator Richard DeHeer. (He is not related to this case, but to the one involving the three teen girls that were strip searched.)

And others that I posted before.

Now imagine that you have called and left your name & number at least 3 times for Sheriff Jim Swanson to contact you back, with assurances that he will. But he never does.

Now imagine that you call the sheriff's dept and they outright LIE to you.

And then you call the county jail, where the head of the jail again outright LIES to you.

And remember my example above of Steffy's lawyers asking for 'discovery' evidence and then having to come back and specifically ask for the video of her being stripped...?

Now keep in mind that the reporter Tom Myers at WKYC investigated and found the BUILDING video, that was never turned over to Steffy's lawyers. Even though they only asked for the strip video, the sheriff is still required by law to turn over any evidence revelant to the case. But maybe it was yet another 'oversite'.

And then once THIS video was viewed, CLEARLY showing Steffy being paraded down the hall while being video taped, with what looked to be the whole night shift (8 people!), they then asked for the rest of the video being shot.

This is the video the sheriff had NOT turned over to anyone, according to Tom Myers, and the sheriff's dept, at least up to May 6th.

I have more, but I'm a lazy typer.

Anyway you get my drift.

THIS & more is why I question the cops version of what happened, and why I 'believe' this was a case of abuse and cover ups.

[sandyfromoh]

Originally posted by John7878 [*]

All I am saying is that we can't speculate on what they had, because we don't know.

I know its logical to THINK that they would be privy to more info than what we have seen from the news, but it doesn't make it so.

The natural conclusion is since that the jury brought no charges that all parties are innocent. But it can also mean there wasn't enough evidence.

Plus as I pointed out with the Rosenthal case, jury instructions and evidence presented, can sometimes be very skewed.



I have done a LOT more than just watch the different half dozen videos out there.

One of the first things I did was look up Steffy's arrest record. I like to know just who I am standing up for.
Besides this mess, she has nothing, not even a speeding ticket.

I have talked to Stark county prosecutor John Ferrero.

I have talked to the head of the Correctional HealthCare Group, the people that decide who is suicidal at the Stark County jail.

I contacted Court Administrator Richard DeHeer. (He is not related to this case, but to the one involving the three teen girls that were strip searched.)

And others that I posted before.

Now imagine that you have called and left your name & number at least 3 times for Sheriff Jim Swanson to contact you back, with assurances that he will. But he never does.

Now imagine that you call the sheriff's dept and they outright LIE to you.

And then you call the county jail, where the head of the jail again outright LIES to you.

And remember my example above of Steffy's lawyers asking for 'discovery' evidence and then having to come back and specifically ask for the video of her being stripped...?

Now keep in mind that the reporter Tom Myers at WKYC investigated and found the BUILDING video, that was never turned over to Steffy's lawyers. Even though they only asked for the strip video, the sheriff is still required by law to turn over any evidence revelant to the case. But maybe it was yet another 'oversite'.

And then once THIS video was viewed, CLEARLY showing Steffy being paraded down the hall while being video taped, with what looked to be the whole night shift (8 people!), they then asked for the rest of the video being shot.

This is the video the sheriff had NOT turned over to anyone, according to Tom Myers, and the sheriff's dept, at least up to May 6th.

I have more, but I'm a lazy typer.

Anyway you get my drift.

THIS & more is why I question the cops version of what happened, and why I 'believe' this was a case of abuse and cover ups. [/*]

[John7878]

Originally posted by Rescue1 [*]John, just wanted to say that I enjoy your posts. You're obviously putting a lot of effort in, and I not only respect that, I admire it! [/*]

Thanks for the thoughts. I appreciate it.

Originally posted by tirante [*]"...Anyway you get my drift...."

Sure do. An obsessed zealot. [/*]

I'm guessing that you don't enjoy my posts as much?

Well in this case you might be right. For some reason this case has hit a nerve with me. And the more I look into it the worse it gets.

Back when I was calling the State Atty General's office, trying to find the name & contact info of the investigators and they kept referring me back to the sheriff's dept....and then the sheriff's dept was telling me that they knew of NO ONE investigating.
Well, on my second call back to them, one of the people at the Atty Gen's office suggested that I say I had evidence to come forward with.

I did not do this. The biggest reason being they could have put anyone on the phone and said they were the investigators.
And I felt that it was wrong to do this.

Still I COULD have been an informer, maybe someone in the next cell that night wanting to come forward with my story.
They didn't know why I wanted to contact the investigators, only that it was in connection with the Hope Steffy case.

Just makes me wonder how many others may have gotten sandbagged trying to contact the investigators and what other evidence never made it to the GJ!?!?

When I talked to Paul Scarsella and told him that the sheriff's secretary and head jailer denied knowing anyone investigating, he pointed out the obvious, THEY were the ones that requested the investigation.

Just the way everything is/was being done.....this whole thing stinks!

[John7878]

Originally posted by Beebee [*]

snip for space only

John,

What kind of answers did you get from the HealthCare group? [/*]

I was switched to them on a call to the sheriff.

So I didn't have specific questions lined up for them at the time. (I like to have my ducks in a row.)

I have since lined up questions that I was planning on calling to ask about, but wonder what good it would do now.

His basic theme during the conversation was that they were "saving her life".
The same BS the sheriff was peddling.

If I get a call back to them with my questions, I'll post more.

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But I did send the sheriff a email just now 6-25-2008. Since he didn't return my call AGAIN yesterday.

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I have already heard about the grand jury decision.
But I still had a few questions.
Heres a couple series of film strips, both with one of the deputies holding Hope Steffy and the other deputy with his head down at her butt and his hands blurred out at her genitalia.

Q1 Doesn't this qualify as a "visual body cavity" inspection? (So what ARE they doing?)

Q2 Why would men be banned from strip searches and body cavity inspections, but be allowed to be here for a "suicide precaution"? There were plenty of women there to handle the problem.

Q3 Why are the men still here after the women have left, and how long are they continuing to abuse Steffy?? (As you can see there are at least these two sequences, with and without the blanket.)

Q4 The doctor claimed she was TOO suicidal for a suicide suit. Why wasn't she given a paper covering then? Keeping her naked was BS and the only reason I can see is to punish her.

Q5 Why wasn't a restraint chair used, is stripping someone the ONLY method you people use? (BTW if your going to use a weak excuse like prisoners get hurt more in a restraint chair, just remember the broken tooth and bulged disk in Steffy's back before you do.)

Q6 Deputies claim she was drunk, what was her breathalyser reading?

I'd ask some more questions, but I don't expect answers back from these.

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[John7878]

Originally posted by John7878 [*]

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[sandyfromoh]

Originally posted by John7878 [*]


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Thanks for the links John, amazing!!!!! I just can't stomach watching this. I sure hope Hope gets justice with all she went through, and I'm sure she would appreciate all you are doing, you are really a great guy and I don't even know you.

[John7878]

Originally posted by sandyfromoh [*]

Thanks for the links John, amazing!!!!! I just can't stomach watching this. I sure hope Hope gets justice with all she went through, and I'm sure she would appreciate all you are doing, you are really a great guy and I don't even know you. [/*]

Thanks. A lot of these people I contact ask me if I know Steffy or not. I tell them I don't know her and have never spoken to her. I just know what happened to her is WRONG!

Oh, I also get a lot of "just who are you?". I tell them "I'm just a citizen thats wondering what happened to our country. Why is there a big secret that your not supposed to tell me?"

I just can't believe Swanson and the State.

Men can not be present in a strip search.

Men can not be present in a body cavity search.

Men are not even supposed to be where they can SEE women in showers.

But after 2 years and NO mention of anything, just as the grand jury thing is going on, Swanson then comes out in a grandstand play and says that men are not only allowed to view a forced stripping of a woman during a "suicide prevention", they are actually allowed to PARTICIPATE!!!!! And with 8 people there, we had spectators too! (OMG!!! Why don't they just sell tickets!??!?!)

If the grand jury was told this same fairy tale and was instructed by the judge to allow for it, I can see why they might have found "no evidence".

And Swanson is stupid enough to think that this will resolve this!??!?!?!

That people will NOW think that its "all ok" because Sheriff Swanson says its allowed!??!?!

And to top it off, somehow the state is going along with it!?!? (My guess is liability.) (?)

I was born at night....but it wasn't last night.....I'm not buying this garbage.

[sandyfromoh]

Originally posted by Beebee [*]


This whole suicide prevention BS is outrageous!

How did they determine they were preventing a suicide???

They are SICK!!! [/*]

Amazing that women that are taken to Stark County Jail are ALL SUICIDAL!!!!!!

[John7878]

Originally posted by Rescue1 [*]"If the grand jury was told this same fairy tale and was instructed by the judge to allow for it, I can see why they might have found "no evidence".

That's a BIG if, John. Admittedly, you don't know what they were presented with.... [/*]

Your right, I don't know.

I don't even know if they saw the original video. Maybe they decided it would be too prejudicial, who knows.

Swanson claims we are seeing the video out of context.

I just can't imagine under what "context" that they think this would be "Ok".

Do you?

And this whole policy of stripping anyone they consider a suicide risk. Where did that come from?

I have been looking over studies about this. Even experienced psychiatrists can NOT tell if someone is actually suicidal, so how can they with one question or even a 5min interview?

And the practice of stripping a person is in question by professionals.

Heres one link to a study:

http://www.ncchc.org/education/past/...prevention.pdf

Why not use restraint chairs?
When I talked to Paul Scarsella, he claimed that the prisoners were more likely to injure themselves with the chairs.
I haven't found anything to back up this claim and I doubt that Steffy, with a broken tooth, bulged disk, and traumatized for the rest of her life, would agree.

These officials can polish this turd all they want......it still stinks.