June 2, 3

[Kat4Eagles]

Please start here, 19 months and counting..


Kat

[Barbara2]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]Please start here, 19 months and counting..


Kat [/*]

And yet today is one day closer to justice for Michelle and Rylan.

[katy1974]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE [*]Birchleaf Dr
Description of Property Seized: Paper writings of identification, trace evidence, blood, instruments or items used to cause the death of the victim, photographs, body of victim. Fingerprints, palmprints

http://wral.com/news/local/story/1085235/

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" instruments or items used to cause the death of the victim"
This statement sounds like LE may have the weapon used to murder Michell. Does anyone other then me think this is possible? [/*]

Hi HI-CYCLE!

Oooops! I just saw this new thread, and I've been over posting on the old one still. Sorry.

Yes, I do think that LE may have recovered some type of weapon that was used to kill Michelle. It does sound very possible to me.

I've wondered what type lamps were in their bedroom, and if one of the lamps was used. Some table lamps are very heavy and could be used as a weapon.

Wish we knew what " items " they removed from the house.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE [*]Birchleaf Dr
Description of Property Seized: Paper writings of identification, trace evidence, blood, instruments or items used to cause the death of the victim, photographs, body of victim. Fingerprints, palmprints

http://wral.com/news/local/story/1085235/

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" instruments or items used to cause the death of the victim"
This statement sounds like LE may have the weapon used to murder Michell. Does anyone other then me think this is possible? [/*]

Hard to say.....Hi C!!!
They took so much stuff from the house, that maybe they hoped the murder weapon was included.

Kat

ETA..................but then again, why would the murderer(s) leave the weapon behind?

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE [*]Birchleaf Dr
Description of Property Seized: Paper writings of identification, trace evidence, blood, instruments or items used to cause the death of the victim, photographs, body of victim. Fingerprints, palmprints

http://wral.com/news/local/story/1085235/

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" instruments or items used to cause the death of the victim"
This statement sounds like LE may have the weapon used to murder Michell. Does anyone other then me think this is possible? [/*]

very possible.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]

very possible. [/*]

............... what about prints?

This crime was so messy, that you can't even try to believe pre~med theories, it won't hold up.

Plan A was supposed to be a soft kill, but just in case, bring a back~up plan and things to go with it??

Kat

[annalyzer]

Bringing agatha's post over so I can reply:

Quote~ "Why would his wife's family distribute pics of him now when we have heard that they think he is the murderer ? "

My post was in reply to katy's post below:


Quote~ "In fact, I have seen more photos of her with Michelle and the little girl than ones showing Jason with them."

Katy is inferring that the sisters were very close because she has seen more photos of them together versus Michelle and Jason together, hence my reply.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]


............... what about prints?

This crime was so messy, that you can't even try to believe pre~med theories, it won't hold up.

Plan A was supposed to be a soft kill, but just in case, bring a back~up plan and things to go with it??

Kat [/*]

The killer may have wore gloves in the plan to strangle Michelle so that his/her prints wouldn't be on anything. Then once the strangle turned into a bludgeoning the weapon used wouldn't have any prints on it.

But why would Jason worry about his prints left in a home where his prints should be?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer [*]

The killer may have wore gloves in the plan to strangle Michelle so that his/her prints wouldn't be on anything. Then once the strangle turned into a bludgeoning the weapon used wouldn't have any prints on it.

But why would Jason worry about his prints left in a home where his prints should be? [/*]

I am confused too!!
I guess one of the things that still bug me is how anyone could walk into that bedroom and not know a murder had taken place.

Not after it has been described with all the blood, etc and the fact a struggle took place.



Kat

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by agathachristie [*]

Understood. My point was , yes these pics have been put out there by the Fisher's or whoever, most of which, I believe came from memorial services, and it is known that the Fisher's believe JY murdered Michelle, so why would they post pics of them together. [/*]

That's what I meant.

Originally posted by annalyzer [*]

The killer may have wore gloves in the plan to strangle Michelle so that his/her prints wouldn't be on anything. Then once the strangle turned into a bludgeoning the weapon used wouldn't have any prints on it.

But why would Jason worry about his prints left in a home where his prints should be? [/*]

His prints shouldn't be in blood at his home. The Nov. 3 search warrant had a typed list of the items to be seized and the fingerprints and palm print was added to it in someone's handwriting, so evidently they were seen. The search warrant was asking permission to seize them.

The s/w mentions blood spatter on the wall and lamp. The lamp wasn't listed on the inventory but I bet they seized it and it's possible that was the murder weapon or they believed it to be when they typed up the warrant.

Originally posted by june1943 [*]For 19 months everyone has been saying why would MF kill her sister . Its been said on this forum and others that she wanted Michelle's life. She asked Jason and Cassie to stay with her he declined and moved back to brevard. Below is a link to some videos. Scroll down to clip 2 Cassie and Michelle with toy car. Notice MF in that clip. After watching that clip watch the clip from the LBLO doesn't she look a whole lot like Michelle? Maybe she wanted to be Michelle so bad the only way was get rid of Michelle. Was Michelle's existence making her look like the first clip? It has only taken her 19 months to look like Michelle. I find this very interesting.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/asset_gallery/1065978/


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2864448/ [/*]

Good morning, June.

I think there has been a very noticeable attempt to reinvent herself as her sister.

[oakayfine]

Originally posted by june1943 [*]For 19 months everyone has been saying why would MF kill her sister . Its been said on this forum and others that she wanted Michelle's life. She asked Jason and Cassie to stay with her he declined and moved back to brevard. Below is a link to some videos. Scroll down to clip 2 Cassie and Michelle with toy car. Notice MF in that clip. After watching that clip watch the clip from the LBLO doesn't she look a whole lot like Michelle? Maybe she wanted to be Michelle so bad the only way was get rid of Michelle. Was Michelle's existence making her look like the first clip? It has only taken her 19 months to look like Michelle. I find this very interesting.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/asset_gallery/1065978/


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2864448/ [/*]

What I see is that Meredith has lost quite a lot of weight in the past 19 months. I congratulate her for her efforts. She looks great now.
I don't see that because she lost that weight she it is trying to "look like Michelle". They have the same parents and are sisters. Of course they are going to look alike.
I have many siblilngs, we all vary in weight and size. Some are large, some are small. Some of the large ones go on diets from time to time and lose enormous amounts of weight causing them to look exactly like me. It does not mean they are trying to be me.!

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by TIAZ [*]

Some of the speculations here are hysterical! Really reaching IMO!!! [/*]

Here and there and everywhere.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943 [*]

What bothers me more is if you find your sister face down in the floor covered in blood , cold and stiff with rigor mortis you don't know if she is dead. Does this mean MF didn't touch her sister until after 5 minutes into a 911 call. Now be honest how many on this forum wouldn't run to their sister the minute they saw her on the floor? How many wouldn't shake her and say Michelle wake up are you OK? If you did that you would know she was dead. Why didn't MF react like I would and I bet if you are honest most on this forum would. Why did she stand outside the door and talk to 911 and keep telling them things that had no bearing on the emergency? This is what makes me think she is part of what happened to Michelle. [/*]

If you just completely erase the 911 call and just look at her actions.

She comes in the home, supposedly through an unlocked garage door, she sees Michelle's car which means Michelle should be home, she hears the dog freaking out, and she sees C, and then she stumbles onto the bedroom in complete chaos, if you believe the reports of the blood spatter and she finds a dead body.

Then, it is more of what she does not do!!

She does not see that what is right in front of her that could mean there could still be any possible danger.

Michelle did not slip and fall.
Michelle did not fall off the bed.
Michelle did not fall from a ladder.
Michelle was brutally murdered.

This is a crime scene that will stay in the minds of all those from LE that found her.
A scene they decribed as one of the worst they ever saw.

Was Michelle's sister used to finding dead bodies or walking into crime scenes?
Was she that much a seasoned veteran with dealing with finding a murder victim?



Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer [*]


How ignorant of him. I've never seen Michelle trashed here. This forum has rules to follow unlike some others. [/*]

Michelle has never been trashed here.

Jason sure has been though.

To call someone a murderer at this stage with all the unknowns........... no facts, proof, or evidence against him seems to be acceptable though.

This forum is moderated, and very fairly.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE [*]GM Kat, I agree unless bashing is posting Meredith`s own words provided by links. [/*]

I think that is what is called having your own words come back to haunt you.

It gave us an inisght into her character that can not be refuted, because. again, her words.

If Jason had posted some of things she did, they would also be used against him here.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by annalyzer [*]

You don't think people have a right to their own opinion?

fyi this is not the only murder case where people have different opinions as to who the murderer actually is. [/*]

This is probably one of the best ways to decribe it.

When day after day, week after week, month after month, and now a year and 7 months with no arrest of "their suspect", we can't look at other possibilities of what happened to Michelle?

No one is calling any one a murderer, although the same can not be said about the posters who pre~ judged Jason.



Kat

[on the go]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE [*]This entry on Meredith's live journal could also give reason for her weight loss. MOO
Wednesday, April 9th, 2003
2:27 am Woo-hoo! My first journal entry....Well I'm on the downward spiral of coming down from a high...so I'm a little sleepy! There's nothing I hate more than being sick....except for being sick for 2 weeks (and maybe cheap people) So I'm a little cranky, a little high and a little sleepy....all that, means i should go to bed and end my only day off from work this week.....Be back soon!
Meredith

http://mixie118.livejournal.com/ [/*]

Year 2003.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE [*]Still waiting for link that shows Meredith is diabetic. I think that question has put to rest yet another excuse for MF actions. [/*]

Hi Hi~C!! Here is another thing.

Some posters "think" Jason hated his life with Michelle and use that for motive.

Michelle's sister says flat out she hates her life.



Kat

[on the go]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE [*] Yea, add another 5 years and the weight loss would really be affected. [/*]

?

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by on the go [*]

Year 2003. [/*]

Then why is it still there?
Why not delete it, if you feel differently?
Certainly is not flattering.


Kat

[on the go]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]


Then why is it still there?
Why not delete it, if you feel differently?
Certainly is not flattering.


Kat [/*]

?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE [*] also states in her journal how she hates cheap people. Did she regard Michelle as being "cheap' since she worked and I am sure managed their income seriously, [/*]

She was a waitress. Probably referring to bad tippers.

Cheap = stingy.

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by HI-CYCLE [*] also states in her journal how she hates cheap people. Did she regard Michelle as being "cheap' since she worked and I am sure managed their income seriously, [/*]

No idea, but if my sister was murdered, I would at least attempt to disappear from the internet, separate myself from my past journal and either lay low or come back and let only the people I wanted to know I was back.

But, hey that would just be me, out of respect for my sister.



Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

A GJ day today... !!

About the repositioning of the body again..

I thought at one time this case has goth all over it.
Staging a body for effect is goth too.

Kat

[im4justice]

Originally posted by june1943 [*]For 19 months everyone has been saying why would MF kill her sister . Its been said on this forum and others that she wanted Michelle's life. She asked Jason and Cassie to stay with her he declined and moved back to brevard. Below is a link to some videos. Scroll down to clip 2 Cassie and Michelle with toy car. Notice MF in that clip. After watching that clip watch the clip from the LBLO doesn't she look a whole lot like Michelle? Maybe she wanted to be Michelle so bad the only way was get rid of Michelle. Was Michelle's existence making her look like the first clip? It has only taken her 19 months to look like Michelle. I find this very interesting.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/asset_gallery/1065978/


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2864448/ [/*]

You find this very interesting well maybe you'll also find this interesting too
Maybe Jason wanted to look like Michelle
Maybe Michelle wasnt wearing typical pjs or nightgown the night of her death because she decided to get rid of all of hers
Maybe Jason liked wearing her nighties
Maybe Michelle went to the therapist(the one some posters make such a big deal about that specializes in transgender and cross dressing) because she didnt know how to handle Jason's cross dressing problem She tried by getting rid of her nighties ...she didnt know what else to do
Maybe Jason found out Michelle would be discussing this with the therapist and he was mad his secret was out

Now if you believe any of the above you are a fool
This is fiction None of it is true Doesnt take a rocket scientist to make up stories

To me thats how your posts come across when you try to drag Meredith into being part of this crime This board is a sham People posting nonsense Twisting what little facts are known in order to satisfy there own perverse needs The above comments just show how easy it is to twist things around Do you think somehow your twisted tales make you look smart?? Far from it

I stopped in to see if there was any new credible news
Apparently not Same handfull of people who seem to thrive on deceitfullness I wont return to this board until the case breaks

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by im4justice [*]

You find this very interesting well maybe you'll also find this interesting too
Maybe Jason wanted to look like Michelle
Maybe Michelle wasnt wearing typical pjs or nightgown the night of her death because she decided to get rid of all of hers
Maybe Jason liked wearing her nighties
Maybe Michelle went to the therapist(the one some posters make such a big deal about that specializes in transgender and cross dressing) because she didnt know how to handle Jason's cross dressing problem She tried by getting rid of her nighties ...she didnt know what else to do
Maybe Jason found out Michelle would be discussing this with the therapist and he was mad his secret was out

Now if you believe any of the above you are a fool
This is fiction None of it is true Doesnt take a rocket scientist to make up stories

To me thats how your posts come across when you try to drag Meredith into being part of this crime This board is a sham People posting nonsense Twisting what little facts are known in order to satisfy there own perverse needs The above comments just show how easy it is to twist things around Do you think somehow your twisted tales make you look smart?? Far from it

I stopped in to see if there was any new credible news
Apparently not Same handfull of people who seem to thrive on deceitfullness I wont return to this board until the case breaks [/*]

Trying to make Jason fit as the killer has not worked for you so far, do you agree?

So,is it okay if we look at other people who had access to the home and Michelle?

Sheriff said,in his own words, we are looking at everyone close to Michelle.

And, some of you are always saying what close sisters they were.

Even though it may or may not be true.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by june1943 [*]

Kat I reread the autopsy report. In summation the ME states she was found alone with her daughter. No where in the report did I see where she was found on her stomach. If the ME would of had that information I think he would have been surprised to see livor on her back. In fact I think he would have found it impossible. [/*]

Very strange...., June.

Kat

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by im4justice [*]snip~

Now if you believe any of the above you are a fool
[/*]

Why? It's not unheard of for men to wear their wives clothing and get caught in the process. Anything is possible at this point since we really don't know who killed Michelle or why.

Originally posted by TIAZ [*]Scout has an excellent blog and forum and has lots of inside info. She also keeps a great timeline of the case.

Forum link to get you started.
http://frictionpowered.hqforums.com/...r=asc&start=75 [/*]

Thanks for the link. It claims Jason left the hotel with "supplies" after check-in and never returned and the source is this IS forum.

Is that your idea of "inside info"??? Sounds more like pure fiction to me.

Originally posted by TIAZ [*]


Pure fiction are the stories you post about Meredith murdering her sister.

I suggest you read over there if you want real info.

Hope that helps!

Thanxxxx [/*]

The 911 call isn't pure fiction nor is the statement the Sheriff made to the reporter in 01/07 that Jason was not the focus of the investigation nor is the autopsy report showing dark livor on Michelle's posterior. Meredith's own actions and words have drawn suspicion to herself. I haven't needed to make anything up to make her look bad.

There is nothing to support the fiction that Jason was seen leaving the hotel with supplies and never returned. Such nonsense is on par with the bogus near-drowning fiction and I prefer a forum that has fair moderation so I'll stay here. Thanks anyway.

jmo

[lilismom]

Originally posted by june1943 [*]

I would also put a caption on the picture of my space telling people who the little girl with me is. Unless she wants people to think its her daughter. [/*]

Why? Weren't people having a FIT because the pictures were released in the first place? Now you want people to be able to connect the dots and know that she's Meredith's niece?

Meredith's page is private. People make their pages private when they don't want lookyloos viewing their private and personal information. Private means she has to accept you as a FRIEND in order to see what is posted on her page.

I am sure Meredith's friends know who is with her in that picture. I am sure Meredith's friends can see how happy they are and that she's received tons of comments from friends about that picture. I am sure Meredith's friends don't need a caption and I don't think anyone that doesn't know Meredith, that just happened upon that picture, would care who she is or who is with her in the picture on her private page.

I'll go back to just reading now. Have a nice night.

IMO,
Lilismom

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]

Thanks for the link. It claims Jason left the hotel with "supplies" after check-in and never returned and the source is this IS forum.

Is that your idea of "inside info"??? Sounds more like pure fiction to me.

[/*]

Where do they come up with this stuff?
Jason was seen leaving a hotel with different clothes on?
So after a long day, no one should get a shower and change?
It is not okay to go out to your car after you check in, for things you need or forgot.?

And, who says a door was left open?
That he triggered it so it would not close?
This is beyond belief, if any of that was true, the only clothes Jason would be needing now is an orange jump suit.

This is what happens when the GJ meets and nothing happens.

I guess that is why the sluething here is much better.
We don't make stuff up, we can even use the exact words from the person themselves.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Originally posted by lilismom [*]

Why? Weren't people having a FIT because the pictures were released in the first place? Now you want people to be able to connect the dots and know that she's Meredith's niece?

Meredith's page is private. People make their pages private when they don't want lookyloos viewing their private and personal information. Private means she has to accept you as a FRIEND in order to see what is posted on her page.

I am sure Meredith's friends know who is with her in that picture. I am sure Meredith's friends can see how happy they are and that she's received tons of comments from friends about that picture. I am sure Meredith's friends don't need a caption and I don't think anyone that doesn't know Meredith, that just happened upon that picture, would care who she is or who is with her in the picture on her private page.

I'll go back to just reading now. Have a nice night.

IMO,
Lilismom [/*]

It is not private, but it should be,
Maybe she likes all the attention.


Kat

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]



The 911 call isn't pure fiction nor is the statement the Sheriff made to the reporter in 01/07 that Jason was not the focus of the investigation nor is the autopsy report showing dark livor on Michelle's posterior. Meredith's own actions and words have drawn suspicion to herself. I haven't needed to make anything up to make her look bad.

There is nothing to support the fiction that Jason was seen leaving the hotel with supplies and never returned. Such nonsense is on par with the bogus near-drowning fiction and I prefer a forum that has fair moderation so I'll stay here. Thanks anyway.

jmo [/*]

I've looked at several articles from Jan 07 trying to find the sheriff's statement to which you've referred several times. I can't find it. Anywhere.

If it exists, I'd appreciate a link. Thanks.

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]

It is not private, but it should be,
Maybe she likes all the attention.


Kat [/*]

Or maybe she just refuses to have her personal life constrained by gawkers from message boards?

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by annalyzer [*]

Why? It's not unheard of for men to wear their wives clothing and get caught in the process. Anything is possible at this point since we really don't know who killed Michelle or why. [/*]

I agree, Annalyzer. I've heard of stranger reasons for murder.

JMO

[lilismom]

Originally posted by Kat4Eagles [*]

It is not private, but it should be,
Maybe she likes all the attention.


Kat [/*]

That's funny on my computer it clearly states "this profile is set to private ..."

Have you found a different myspace page where Meredith uses the picture of herself and a very happy CY?

IMO,
Lilismom

[Cardinal]

Originally posted by lilismom [*]

That's funny on my computer it clearly states "this profile is set to private ..."

Have you found a different myspace page where Meredith uses the picture of herself and a very happy CY?

IMO,
Lilismom [/*]

I thought maybe it was just me - since I'm not a member there. So it really is set to private.

JMO