Mother Murdered, 14 year old Daughter Arrested

[GentleBreeze]

Mother Dies, 14-Year-Old Daughter Arrested In Hammer Attack

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A Scripps Ranch woman allegedly hit in the head by her 14-year-old daughter died at Sharp Memorial Hospital today, San Diego police said.

Rebecca D'Aoust, 56, died at about noon, said San Diego police Lt. Kevin Rooney.She was struck in her home in the 10600 block of Canyon Lake Drive Sunday morning, according to police, who said the woman's husband and the couple's 21-year-old daughter awoke to screams
http://www.cbs8.com/stories/story.129224.html

[Marcia3]

Sadly, here we go again! If this girl is indeed guilty of killing her mother, then how many cases do you think this makes for the year so far? At least a half-dozen? Sad, very sad, all of these lives destroyed or broken beyond repair and none of it makes a bit of sense to me.

JMO.

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by Marcia3 [*]Sadly, here we go again! If this girl is indeed guilty of killing her mother, then how many cases do you think this makes for the year so far? At least a half-dozen? Sad, very sad, all of these lives destroyed or broken beyond repair and none of it makes a bit of sense to me.

JMO. [/*]

At least and that is the only ones that have made a national news site. We can all guess that there has been more that did not.

It is so frightening.

Where is all this murderous rage coming from that something..even slight......... can trigger it and cause such horror.

imoo

[omsk99]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...9-1m27mom.html

Some of the comments after this article suggest that the daughter was adopted, and she was being treated or diagnosed with a mental illness. I don't know how true these allegations/speculations are, so they are only a hearsay.

My thoughts are with the family at this awful time

[ellvarn]

I'm not saying that this is the case because I don't know enough at this point about the "mental" illness. All young people seem to suffering from some sort of mental/illness or disorders, I am a little baffled by all of the "labels" attached to young people for any reason. JMO

[FREEMORE]

Originally posted by Leather&Lace [*]I cannot believe the number of kids that get so angry that they just kill their parents. It is unbelievable to me! Sure hope this 14 y/o is tried as an adult and sits her rear-end in prison for the rest of her natural life! Really hate this for the other siblings and the husband. They are now without a wife and mother.
Really, really sad. [/*]

It's really scary that kids get this angry. Yes, I hope she is put away for a long time. She is too young to be put away with adults I feel. Can she be saved?

Geesh! She's convicted already?

[Nellie]

I have my opinions why there is so much rage in children today....but they usually upset someone.

[Marcia3]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

At least and that is the only ones that have made a national news site. We can all guess that there has been more that did not.

It is so frightening.

Where is all this murderous rage coming from that something..even slight......... can trigger it and cause such horror.

imoo [/*]

That's a good question, and I wish I had the answer.

[GentleBreeze]

Girl suspected of killing mother to be tried as adult



A 14-year-old Scripps Ranch girl suspected of killing her mother will be tried as an adult, the District Attorney's Office said Wednesday.
The girl is expected to be arraigned in San Diego Superior Court on Thursday, said Paul Levikow, spokesman for District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis.It is unclear what charges the girl will face, Levikow said, adding that prosecutors have not yet filed a complaint in the case.
Heather D'Aoust is being held in Juvenile Hall, where she was taken Sunday

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...-bn28girl.html

IMO fourteen is just too young to be tried as an adult. Too many hormones, too little life experience, real life perspective, and judgement . If convicted this young girl will be in prison for most of her life.

Now if say she had premeditation or had committed murder in the act of a felony like a robbery or gang shotting then maybe I could understand being charged as an adult, but not in this case. The US is the only first world country that routinely charges children 15 and under as adults.

ETA: Further update

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...-1m29girl.html

[GentleBreeze]

Originally posted by AnalytiChem [*]IMO fourteen is just too young to be tried as an adult. Too many hormones, too little life experience, real life perspective, and judgment . If convicted this young girl will be in prison for most of her life.

Now if say she had premeditation or had committed murder in the act of a felony like a robbery or gang shotting then maybe I could understand being charged as an adult, but not in this case. The US is the only first world country that routinely charges children 15 and under as adults.

ETA: Further update

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...-1m29girl.html [/*]

It certainly seems the DA does think this was a premeditated felony. I wouldn't think the h*mmer was just laying about so most likely she went and got it, possibly even laying in wait until her mother came into the kitchen.

I would certainly think First Degree Murder is much more of a reason to try her as an adult rather than the offenses you have listed.

I don't agree with your synopsis. There are millions upon millions of teenagers both female and male this age who never ever commit a crime.

It is the mindset of each individual killer and it seems this one was of the mindset to kill her own mother brutally.

imoo

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

It certainly seems the DA does think this was a premeditated felony. I wouldn't think the h*mmer was just laying about so most likely she went and got it, possibly even laying in wait until her mother came into the kitchen.

I would certainly think First Degree Murder is much more of a reason to try her as an adult rather than the offenses you have listed.

I don't agree with your synopsis. There are millions upon millions of teenagers both female and male this age who never ever commit a crime.

It is the mindset of each individual killer and it seems this one was of the mindset to kill her own mother brutally.

imoo [/*]

True, but my point is that most 14 year olds are not yet as mentally or emotionally equipped as adults are, hence the reason we don't (nor does any other 1st world country) try minors as adults.

Here is a link to the criminal complaint filed:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...tcomplaint.pdf

This indicates that she also attacked her father and that she was already on probation for some previous incident.

I still do not agree that a 14 yo old is mentally or emotionally mature enough to be tried as an adult. The ultimate question is, is she so dangerous and unreformable she can't be rehabilitated? That is, unrehabilitatable to an extent that she will still be a danger to society when she reaches 21 years? If that's the conclusion then maybe I could see trying her as an adult. I just don't think so. IMO this was obviously an emotional and unplanned crime of passion.

[LauraRose]

Originally posted by GentleBreeze [*]

It certainly seems the DA does think this was a premeditated felony. I wouldn't think the h*mmer was just laying about so most likely she went and got it, possibly even laying in wait until her mother came into the kitchen.

I would certainly think First Degree Murder is much more of a reason to try her as an adult rather than the offenses you have listed.

I don't agree with your synopsis. There are millions upon millions of teenagers both female and male this age who never ever commit a crime.

It is the mindset of each individual killer and it seems this one was of the mindset to kill her own mother brutally.

imoo [/*]

In the link below, it talks more about the 14 yr old's, mental health issues and she is not evil but sick. So she pleads not guilty, how is that? The mother is gone, so woe is me the teenager, that really riles me. So sad, sad, sad.

LauraR

link

Girl Pleads Not Guilty In Death Of Mother

POSTED: 3:52 pm PDT May 29, 2008
UPDATED: 10:25 am PDT May 30, 2008


SAN DIEGO -- A Scripps Ranch man whose 14-year-old adoptive daughter is being prosecuted for murder in adult court for allegedly clubbing her mother in the head with a claw said Thursday that the teenager needs help and is "not evil."

James D'Aoust spoke to reporters after his daughter, Heather Marie, pleaded not guilty to murder and assault with a deadly weapon charges and was ordered held without bail

[LisaM22]

Originally posted by ellvarn [*]I'm not saying that this is the case because I don't know enough at this point about the "mental" illness. All young people seem to suffering from some sort of mental/illness or disorders, I am a little baffled by all of the "labels" attached to young people for any reason. JMO [/*]

I don't know, but if she killed her mother with a , I would say she has some mental problems - jmho

[LauraRose]

Originally posted by LauraRose [*]

In the link below, it talks more about the 14 yr old's, mental health issues and she is not evil but sick. So she pleads not guilty, how is that? The mother is gone, so woe is me the teenager, that really riles me. So sad, sad, sad.

LauraR

link

Girl Pleads Not Guilty In Death Of Mother

POSTED: 3:52 pm PDT May 29, 2008
UPDATED: 10:25 am PDT May 30, 2008


SAN DIEGO -- A Scripps Ranch man whose 14-year-old adoptive daughter is being prosecuted for murder in adult court for allegedly clubbing her mother in the head with a claw said Thursday that the teenager needs help and is "not evil."

James D'Aoust spoke to reporters after his daughter, Heather Marie, pleaded not guilty to murder and assault with a deadly weapon charges and was ordered held without bail [/*]

good grief I forgot the link:

http://www.cbs8.com/stories/story.129619.html

Read this link.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...30heather.html

I really believe that everyone would be better served by handling this in the juvenile system.

[Nellie]

It's scary cyottee. I don't mind sharing my views....but they usually tick someone off. PM me if you wish.

*Kids are not emotionally mature enough for all that society throws at them at such an early age. Parents and society have bought into the notion that if we teach them how to do things SAFELY, that we are protecting them. We are not. We've bought into the lies that "they're going to do it anyway, so let's take the keys away, let's give them condoms, etc.". What we're missing is that we are pushing them into adult things before they are emotionally able to handle them. Parenting has changed so much since I grew up...and even since my children were growing up. It was tough then, but it's lots tougher today. Look at the 9 year old girls who are more like teenagers now. I have one in my own family....my granddaughter. She's still a child, but is doing things I didn't do until I was a teenager! She's way ahead of me at that age.....but not emotionally. I think society makes our children grow up way too fast and they don't get a childhood.

*We give them everything. I don't know if parents do it to make up for not being around so much (working), but kids are handed too much without having to work for it. They are not taught that they don't have to have EVERYTHING. Kids have a sense of entitlement and get angry when they don't get what they want. Look at any high school today at the cars the kids are driving. Who pays for those? Many times the parents are and the kids even have nicer cars than the parents. I don't get that at all. We are not teaching kids the satisfaction of working for something. Then they spend their life expecting to be given anything they want and have a fit when they don't.

*Families are disconnected today. They run here and there and everywhere to sports events. No quality time together at home just being a family. I think kids are too involved in too many activities and they have taken the place of "family time". I remember when I was growing up, we sat and watched tv as a family every evening. And WE didn't choose the show to watch....our parents put it on a show of their choice and we all watched it. And you know what? Those are good memories to me. Even if the family is home together today....they aren't really together. The kids go off to their rooms and shut the door and watch tv or play video games or get on the computer. It can be the same with the parents.

*Our children are exposed to too much violence through videos and games and have become immune to it. Yes, I do believe videos and games can help make a child aggressive. Many don't. But maybe adults don't want to face that because they don't want to take them away....or quit playing them themselves. Some parents buy the video games their children request without even knowing what it's about. I call that lazy parenting. We need to make ourselves more aware of what we're feeding into our children's souls.

*When I was growing up, we had no privacy, and no freedom of speech. If I would have used the so called "freedom of speech" in the ways I see kids use it today.....I'd have been busted! I never got busted, by the way, because I was taught to respect my parents or any other adult or authority figure. I do not believe kids today are taught to respect people of authority. And forget privacy! My parents paid the mortgage...it was THEIR home and they could enter my room any darned time they wanted to!

*Kids are not taught to be patient today. They want it and they want it NOW! You can't spend the first years of their lives giving into all of their desires and whims....and then suddenly say "no" when they're a teenager. It's too late. They already have it in their head that they should be given everything they want. It's sad really. Teens going on cruises and trips even before they are 18...alone. I think it's insane! No supervision! We want to treat them like they're adults and we teach them that they deserve it all NOW! People believe kids aren't mentally or emotionally mature enough to be tried as an adult. But yet, society wants to treat them emotionally and mentally mature enough for other adult things...sex, drinking, taking unchaperoned trips.

*Our society has taught the kids that they are smarter than their parents (I absolutely hate the concept of that show "Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader") for this reason. Kids already THINK they're smarter than their parents or other authority figures. Is it really healthy to continue to convey to them that they are?

*Lazy parenting. Parents give them all they want to avoid a fit. They are afraid to punish their children. I don't mean hit them. I mean punish them. Time out or whatever. Teach them that there are consequences for bad behavior. Instead I see parents bribing their children to behave. Let's face it.....it takes time to enforce the punishment. In the parent's defense, though, they many times have had their hands tied by legalities. Parents sometimes are afraid to parent anymore.

*Parents living through their kids. I see so many parents pushing their kids to be popular, the BEST at everything. How about just letting them be kids? Because they want bragging rights about what their kids accomplish?? My parents never pushed us to be popular or to be the BEST. They let us be who we were.

*Authority figures who steal, lie, cheat, and commit sexual crimes. Who do children have that they can model their lives after? If they watch mommy and daddy "cheat" even on small things....what are they being taught?

What is the answer? Can we ever turn it back around? Yes, I grew up years ago, but you know what? It was a "better time" for children to grow up. I could be a kid....playing out in the backyard in the sandbox instead of sitting around worrying about being a beauty queen. I wasn't 9 going on 16. It was a time when we let kids be kids. Heck, these young kids wear more make up than I did when I was in high school.

I think a lot of the biggest problems are
*disconnected families
*violent entertainment
*giving them too much freedom and too many material things
*not teaching respect
*no consequences for bad behavior
*parents jumping when the kid says jump...they're afraid to say no
*too many kids drugged

All jmo. I've raised two and it was hard then. Now I'm worrying about my 10 year old g-daughter and what is in store when she's a teenager.

Yes I have some strong feelings about this issue. I wish we could turn back the clock and parent like yesteryear. I've just read of too many teenagers killing their parents and even siblings already this year. It's getting very scary. Why are so many teens so violent and angry and messed up in the head? Obviously the material things aren't making them truly happy. Parents are killing themselves working so many hours to provide everything their kids want and it isn't even making them happy.
How sad and twisted it all is. I believe deep down kids just want time from their parents.

[Marcia3]

Nellie, I didn't want to snip your post, but also didn't want to quote it for the sake of conserving bandwidth.

Excellent points, and many of them I have discussed with my grown daughters who are now grateful for all of the times I said "NO" and "You can have that shirt or jeans or whatever as long as you are willing to pay for it yourself."

Their teenage years were a challenge and there were days I thought we would be blessed just to survive it. But now they get it, and I am doubly blessed because they have not only figured out why I was tough with them, but are gracious enough to have thanked me for the way they were raised.

I had no choice but to say no to a lot of their requests for material items because as a single parent I simply couldn't afford to give them everything they wanted. I wished so many times that I had the money to provide them with those things, but now realize that it was better for them that I couldn't just pull out my wallet and pay for every little thing they thought they desired.

As for the other things on your list, my girls and I spent a lot of time together, even when they played sports or took dance lessons, I was there. They knew better than to even ask if they could do some of the things their friends were doing, because the answer would have been "NO." They didn't get their drivers licenses until they were almost 18 because I had criteria for them to meet before they could learn to drive (grade point average, not breaking curfew, showing maturity and responsibility).

When my oldest DD was 17 and still the only girl in her crowd with just a learner's permit, she confronted me about it and pretty much demanded that I allow her to take her driving test. Of course I said she would have to wait until she had met my conditions...she didn't speak to me for almost three weeks but I held firm. I also took the time every day during her "silent treatment" to hug her and tell her how much I loved her. Drove her crazy, but that was not the point. I just wanted her to know that no matter how hard she pushed me, I wouldn't back down, but I would also love her in spite of her treatment of me.

She finally backed down from her attitude and got busy meeting the criteria. Within six months, she had earned the privilege of taking her driving test. She has always been an excellent driver, and now that she is in her late 20s acknowledges that when she was 17 she wasn't ready to take on the huge responsibility of controlling a two-ton piece of equipment on her own. IOW, she gets it...and admits she got it then, too, she was just hoping I would cave in.

She and her sister and I recently talked about this "trend" of teenagers killing their parents. They both said that as angry as they were at times at me because I wouldn't give in or back off from my decisions, the thought never occurred to them that they would be better off without me. They just don't understand how a teenager or young adult could think that way.

Which brings me to my point...I don't know if the answer is as simple as kids today not knowing patience and respect. There has to be so much more behind these killings, IMO. There is just something fundamentally askew with someone at such a young age deciding that their lives would be better without their mom and/or dad. I think the violence surrounding all of us on a daily basis has desensitized many of us of all ages to violence. Maybe there's a disconnect between picking up a weapon to use against somebody and understanding that if you kill someone, they really are dead and won't be coming back when you refresh your TV screen.

There are no simple answers, but I appreciated your post very much and can see my own upbringing in a lot of your memories.

All JMO, of course.

Teens have been rebelling forever. That's nothing new. In the old days they ran away from home, now some of them murder their parents instead.

I believe that the violence in our society is feeding the children. Murder is a daily word. One never knows when it will happen to them, even to the best of parents.

Children emulate what they see/hear.

All violence projected on TV, video games, etc. is protected by free speech, censorship is a dirty word, and the kids are lapping it up.

Never mind all that, the news broadcasts are full of mayhem, every day.

Can we undo it? It's a difficult job, and much too late for those victims.

This is so sad.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...1m5daoust.html

[omsk99]

http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-mother...,7092656.story