Michelle Young May 21st

[jerzeegirl]

Ok i was posting and then it was closed, i guess we can discuss here

[jerzeegirl]

so cardinal, i was agreeing with your post on the MY forum, i believe that IF jason young did this to michelle he wasnt this evil person just waiting to kill all his life. I truly believe that people can snap. He may not have been evil before, but definitely evil now if he did this to her. The only excuse would be self defense and i dont think that would apply here. We on this forum, never knew him and even people that thought they knew him maybe didnt truly know him. I believe that when certain people are backed into a corner (not literally) they can snap. Of course this is JMO.

[annalyzer]

Thanks jerzeegirl. Cardinal I wanted to address your last post. I'm sure as caring parents they didn't normally argue loudly because of the child. But we're talking about an argument that would lead to an attempted strangulation and brutal bludgeoning. Not normal.

[awareness]

To Kat:
Its my OPINION that Michelle likely spoke to the therapist/counselor about her marriage. That's my OPINION and Im entitled to it. Didn't you read the "JMO/IMO" I placed at the bottom of each post? I don't sit and blather that each of my posts are FACT unlike several of the JII's.

Fiver:
Again, its my OPINION. Im not law enforcement, and not required to provide proof on a message board unless Im citing something as fact, which I wasn't.

Have a great night!
JMO/IMO

[jerzeegirl]

the argument could have started downstairs. Thats a pretty big house. But maybe michelle then went upstairs and he followed. I do agree that no matter who killed her, CY must have heard something. Maybe not have seen anything maybe the br door was closed.

[jerzeegirl]

Originally posted by agathachristie [*]Just bringing this from the other thread:

MandyMutt:
SNIPPED........


It is possible to kill someone in a non-violent manner that doesn't produce prolonged pain and suffering that Michelle endured.



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05-21-2008 05:48 PM

And you know this how?
Have you spoken with those poor souls that have passed over?
I'm intrigued.
Please enlighten all of us. [/*]

i agree aggie, ive heard experts explain that dying of suffocation, strangulation and drowning are very horrific. I remember an expert on the stand explaining it minute by minute.....i cringed.

[fiver]

Originally posted by DesertDreams [*]

Not necessarily did she hear anything. Some children sleep through everything. It is pretty clear that the weapon was a maglight (sp?) but lots of people have those. [/*]

How is it pretty clear the weapon was a maglight?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by agathachristie [*]Just bringing this from the other thread:

[/*]

Why?


Everyone please remember the same rules apply on this holiday thread as they do the regular. Please do your part to keep the MY forum open. Ignore the baiters, don't quote posts that are against TOS and follow the rules of TOS.

Have a good Memorial Day holiday everyone!

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by agathachristie [*]

Why ? Because I was questioning her post ?
I've never been a baiter, nor never will be, Miss Annalyzer.
How is that post against the terms of service?
Are you saying that Mutton's original post was against the terms of service?
I'd say your above post is against the terms of service.
I asked a valid question.
Who are YOU to decide it is invalid?
What is going on here?

MOO Aggie [/*]

No. I was just adding a reminder to everyone after my reply to your post.

But I did wonder why you felt that post was so important to bring over here and question it. Forget it now.

[fiver]

Originally posted by annalyzer [*]

Why?


Everyone please remember the same rules apply on this holiday thread as they do the regular. Please do your part to keep the MY forum open. Ignore the baiters, don't quote posts that are against TOS and follow the rules of TOS.

Have a good Memorial Day holiday everyone! [/*]

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by DesertDreams [*]

I have been following this case since almost day one. If you see the types of wounds MY suffered it is fairly clear. She had wounds consistent with that type of weapon. The score marks and the weight of the weapon are very consistent with the injuries a maglight would inflict. LE knows this. It is fairly old news. I am not here to get into an altercation with anyone.

Justice for MY and may she and her baby son rest in peace. [/*]

When I think of a maglite I think of the little black one I keep in a drawer beside my bed. It's very small though. What are you referring to?

[fiver]

Originally posted by DesertDreams [*]

I have been following this case since almost day one. If you see the types of wounds MY suffered it is fairly clear. She had wounds consistent with that type of weapon. The score marks and the weight of the weapon are very consistent with the injuries a maglight would inflict. LE knows this. It is fairly old news. I am not here to get into an altercation with anyone.

Justice for MY and may she and her baby son rest in peace. [/*]

I have been following the case too but I don't recall anything about LE determining the weapon was a flashlight. I'm not sure what you mean by "score marks".

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by fiver [*]I have been following the case too but I don't recall anything about LE determining the weapon was a flashlight. I'm not sure what you mean by "score marks". [/*]

The marks left on Michelle by a weapon. I believe they were crescent shaped.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by DesertDreams [*]

annalyzer:

There are HUGE ones also. ~ snipped ~ Anyway, just picture your little one times 10. They are big and heavy. [/*]

Okay.

Originally posted by DesertDreams [*]

annalyzer:

There are HUGE ones also. Maybe you can look it up on the internet. I don't have a link, but it wouldn't be hard to find. Anyway, just picture your little one times 10. They are big and heavy. [/*]

It's Maglite.com. I honestly thought of the big flashlight when I was reading the autopsy, I promise I did. Maybe somewhere in my mind I put that with the "ridges" thing, must have. But they are heavy and sturdy enough, IMO.

Wasn't the so called "counselor" looked up and put in one of these threads that she mainly deal and advocate for Transvestites? I seen it somewhere...

Nothing came of the blonde hair in MY's hand? If it was JY's wouldn't that be the evidence they need?

IMO ~ I don't think he did it, again that's JMO.

Sympathy to MY and JY's family and friends.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by DesertDreams [*]

I can't draw them for you, but a maglight flashlight has ridges along the plastic where the lightbulb is. Imagine if you were it with a maglight. There would obviously be "score marks" where the flashlight hit. If you have never seen a maglight, you would not understand. If you just go to a hardware store and look at a maglight, you will see it and understand. Crescent shaped wounds are also consistent with getting hit with the front of a maglight. I really don't want to go into this any further. If you research the case you will see this. [/*]

maglite photos

http://images.google.com/images?sour...ht+photo+&um=1

[jerzeegirl]

my husband has the big maglite flashlight. What makes it so much like a weapon is cuz it uses three D batteries which make it that much heavier. I know cuz it fell two inches from underneath the kitchen sink to my toe and i thought my toe was broken. Didnt Baden suggest that that could have been the weapon used? Or was that another case?

[fiver]

Originally posted by annalyzer [*]

The marks left on Michelle by a weapon. I believe they were crescent shaped. [/*]

Oh, the 1" crescentic abrasions on her upper deltoid region? Like from fingernails being dug into her arm?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by fiver [*]Oh, the 1" crescentic abrasions on her upper deltoid region? Like from fingernails being dug into her arm? [/*]

I don't know. I was just going by memory of what's been discussed.

[SaraSidle]

From the last thread.

Fiver you are absolutely right about the speeding ticket. I wrote before I thought. Grasping at straws I guess. Also why can't it be one person with more than one weapon in a panic or rage?
IMO

[fiver]

Originally posted by annalyzer [*]

I don't know. I was just going by memory of what's been discussed. [/*]

That is what is described on the autopsy report so I googled "crescentic abrasion" and all that came up was fingernail marks.

[fiver]

Originally posted by SaraSidle [*]From the last thread.

Fiver you are absolutely right about the speeding ticket. I wrote before I thought. Grasping at straws I guess. Also why can't it be one person with more than one weapon in a panic or rage?
IMO [/*]

We are all just grasping at straws It could one person using multiple weapons, too.

[SaraSidle]

Here is another thought. Maybe the side of the skull was fractured because it is weaker than the back of the skull. There are more empty spaces on the side of the head such as eye orbits,sinus cavities and ear canals. the back of the head could be the first set of blows and then the side of the head and face next.

Originally posted by jerzeegirl [*]

i agree aggie, ive heard experts explain that dying of suffocation, strangulation and drowning are very horrific. I remember an expert on the stand explaining it minute by minute.....i cringed. [/*]

My original posting was after the comparison was made to Laci's murder and whether Jason was capable of the degree of violence inflicted upon Michelle. We don't know how Laci was killed so it is impossible to compare the two cases.

I think both you and agathachristie missed the phrase, "prolonged pain and suffering" I included in my posting.
Michelle suffered a prolonged, agonizing death. I do not believe there has been a shred of evidence that indicates Jason is capable of such a heinous crime. Nobody has presented a history of anger management problems, reports of domestic violence, womanizing, conversations he had expressing desires for his wife's death or not wanting children.

Nothing other than daily communication with a female friend has surfaced about Jason Young as it did early on in the Scott Peterson or even Drew Peterson cases.

[jerzeegirl]

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]

My original posting was after the comparison was made to Laci's murder and whether Jason was capable of the degree of violence inflicted upon Michelle. We don't know how Laci was killed so it is impossible to compare the two cases.

I think both you and agathachristie missed the phrase, "prolonged pain and suffering" I included in my posting.
Michelle suffered a prolonged, agonizing death. I do not believe there has been a shred of evidence that indicates Jason is capable of such a heinous crime. Nobody has presented a history of anger management problems, reports of domestic violence, womanizing, conversations he had expressing desires for his wife's death or not wanting children.

Nothing other than daily communication with a female friend has surfaced about Jason Young as it did early on in the Scott Peterson or even Drew Peterson cases. [/*]

i dont believe i missed that phrase. I do not know him personally, not much about him has come out about his temper or such but at any rate, we all dont know if he was capable of snapping. Its happened before in other cases. We just dont know.

[katy1974]

I have been a long time lurker. This case has interested me a long time.
I am a new mom. I had my baby boy 5 weeks ago. He is my life now, along with his dad of course!

This is a new experience, to be a member of a message board. So please have patience with me. lol!

I think Jason looks guilty, but I am not so sure he is the murderer of Michelle. I can't believe he could kill his pregnant wife and leave his little girl there alone!
There are alot of unanswered questions and I hope we find answers some day and the guilty person/s is arrested.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by june1943 [*]
I wouldn't call it snapping if he was hours away in a motel room and decided to drive home and kill his wife. I have seen no posts where Jason had a temper problem. [/*]

Exactly.

[jerzeegirl]

Originally posted by june1943 [*]
I wouldn't call it snapping if he was hours away in a motel room and decided to drive home and kill his wife. I have seen no posts where Jason had a temper problem. [/*]

i wouldnt call it snapping either in that sense. I would call it snapping if he went home to discuss or they were arguing over something and then he snapped, i dont think anyone here would believe he snapped at the hotel, and thats not what i insinuated.

Originally posted by jerzeegirl [*]

i dont believe i missed that phrase. I do not know him personally, not much about him has come out about his temper or such but at any rate, we all dont know if he was capable of snapping. Its happened before in other cases. We just dont know. [/*]

You keep saying it has happened before in other cases but the one you cited, S. Peterson, it didn't happen.

[jerzeegirl]

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]

You keep saying it has happened before in other cases but the one you cited, S. Peterson, it didn't happen.

[/*]

you dont know what happened in the SP case, there wasnt a cause of death announced because they couldnt determine, i can assume that SP snapped, just like i can assume that JY, if he committed this crime, i believe he snapped. And yes there are plenty of other cases that spouses snap. Im not required to list them all, i listed one.

Originally posted by jerzeegirl [*]

you dont know what happened in the SP case, there wasnt a cause of death announced because they couldnt determine, i can assume that SP snapped, just like i can assume that JY, if he committed this crime, i believe he snapped. And yes there are plenty of other cases that spouses snap. Im not required to list them all, i listed one. [/*]

I know S. Peterson is on death row for the premeditated murder of his wife. How you get "snapped" out of that is my question. In the S. Peterson case, there were negative stories about his character in the media and the tabloids were all over him months prior to his arrest. He was a womanizer, he was evasive at his wife's memorial, he seemed insincere in his media interviews and with efforts to look for his wife. The prosecutor never suggested Peterson just "snapped." The case was presented to the jury as a pre-meditated murder.

In the Young case, there hasn't been remotely similar coverage of Jason's character. You want to believe Jason Young snapped and I'm asking you what you are basing your opinion on.

[jerzeegirl]

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]

I know S. Peterson is on death row for the premeditated murder of his wife. How you get "snapped" out of that is my question. In the S. Peterson case, there were negative stories about his character in the media and the tabloids were all over him months prior to his arrest. He was a womanizer, he was evasive at his wife's memorial, he seemed insincere in his media interviews and with efforts to look for his wife. The prosecutor never suggested Peterson just "snapped." The case was presented to the jury as a pre-meditated murder.

In the Young case, there hasn't been remotely similar coverage of Jason's character. You want to believe Jason Young snapped and I'm asking you what you are basing your opinion on. [/*]

Im basing my opinion on that i think he did this to michelle and that no i do not believe he planned it and that i think he snapped during an argument. You can argue my opinion all you want but to say that it doesnt ever happen is wrong. I wasnt speaking about all the facts in the SP case, i am quite familiar with all the facts in that case that we and LE knows, what we dont know is the cause of death in that case. Womanizer or not, it doesnt explain HOW he killed Laci, nooone knows that for sure, we can only assume and my opinion on that is that he snapped, didnt want to become a father is the factor of my opinion, time was running out for him, she was due in a couple weeks, yes i believe he snapped because he had no prior history of violence, womanizing isnt considered physically violent in my book, emotional abusive maybe. And yes i believe JY may have snapped if he did this to her, also because he has no prior history of violence. You can disagree, its all good, its called debating, but its not a stretch that he could have snapped if he did this to her and it has happened in cases before.

[jerzeegirl]

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]

I know S. Peterson is on death row for the premeditated murder of his wife. How you get "snapped" out of that is my question. [/*]

and premeditated can be minutes before.

Originally posted by jerzeegirl [*]

Im basing my opinion on that i think he did this to michelle and that no i do not believe he planned it and that i think he snapped during an argument. You can argue my opinion all you want but to say that it doesnt ever happen is wrong. I wasnt speaking about all the facts in the SP case, i am quite familiar with all the facts in that case that we and LE knows, what we dont know is the cause of death in that case. Womanizer or not, it doesnt explain HOW he killed Laci, nooone knows that for sure, we can only assume and my opinion on that is that he snapped, didnt want to become a father is the factor of my opinion, time was running out for him, she was due in a couple weeks, yes i believe he snapped because he had no prior history of violence, womanizing isnt considered physically violent in my book, emotional abusive maybe. And yes i believe JY may have snapped if he did this to her, also because he has no prior history of violence. You can disagree, its all good, its called debating, but its not a stretch that he could have snapped if he did this to her and it has happened in cases before. [/*]

All I asked you to do is cite a case where it has happened and you keep insisting S. Peterson "snapped." He didn't. Scott Peterson was convicted of premeditated murder and the premediation took place days and weeks prior, not seconds. Scott didn't just "snap" as you claim. I guess how you arrived at the conclusion Peterson "snapped" will remain a mystery.

[jerzeegirl]

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]

All I asked you to do is cite a case where it has happened and you keep insisting S. Peterson "snapped." He didn't. Scott Peterson was convicted of premeditated murder and the premediation took place days and weeks prior, not seconds. Scott didn't just "snap" as you claim. I guess how you arrived at the conclusion Peterson "snapped" will remain a mystery. [/*]

"All i asked you to do is....." Thats A joke MM. I dont know who you think you are here but dont condescend me. It is of my opinion that SP snapped because he didnt want to become a father. I have every right to have that opinion just like i have every right to have the opinion that if JY did this to his wife, HE SNAPPED and my reasoning for that is because he didnt have any prior history of violence. Now after three posts, if you dont get that and wanna keep picking apart my posts, thats fine, type away. Its my opinion and i have every right to it.

[fiver]

Originally posted by jerzeegirl [*]

Im basing my opinion on that i think he did this to michelle and that no i do not believe he planned it and that i think he snapped during an argument. You can argue my opinion all you want but to say that it doesnt ever happen is wrong. I wasnt speaking about all the facts in the SP case, i am quite familiar with all the facts in that case that we and LE knows, what we dont know is the cause of death in that case. Womanizer or not, it doesnt explain HOW he killed Laci, nooone knows that for sure, we can only assume and my opinion on that is that he snapped, didnt want to become a father is the factor of my opinion, time was running out for him, she was due in a couple weeks, yes i believe he snapped because he had no prior history of violence, womanizing isnt considered physically violent in my book, emotional abusive maybe. And yes i believe JY may have snapped if he did this to her, also because he has no prior history of violence. You can disagree, its all good, its called debating, but its not a stretch that he could have snapped if he did this to her and it has happened in cases before. [/*]

So, in your senario - Michelle and Jason had an spat while speaking on the phone and it affected him in such a way that he drove 3 hours to confront her and during that confrontation he snapped and tried to strangle her and failing that, he beat her to death. Right?

[fiver]

Originally posted by jerzeegirl [*]


"All i asked you to do is....." Thats A joke MM. I dont know who you think you are here but dont condescend me. It is of my opinion that SP snapped because he didnt want to become a father. I have every right to have that opinion just like i have every right to have the opinion that if JY did this to his wife, HE SNAPPED and my reasoning for that is because he didnt have any prior history of violence. Now after three posts, if you dont get that and wanna keep picking apart my posts, thats fine, type away. Its my opinion and i have every right to it. [/*]

Of course you do. When someone is desribed as having "snapped" and committing murder, it is usually considered a "heat of the moment" type reaction - in other words, the act of murder immediately follows the "snap". In the SP case, as MM pointed out, there was obvious planning of the murder presented by the DA, which negates "heat of the moment". If I understand you correctly, you think that something in SP's mind snapped which caused him to formulate the murder plan. Do I have that right?

[jerzeegirl]

Originally posted by fiver [*]
So, in your senario - Michelle and Jason had an spat while speaking on the phone and it affected him in such a way that he drove 3 hours to confront her and during that confrontation he snapped and tried to strangle her and failing that, he beat her to death. Right? [/*]

well kinda, thats one scenario. I actually was thinking that Michelle may have found out that night about MM (if there was anything going on with them). She could have called him and said "get your @ss home, we have to talk". He came home with no intention on going back to the meeting, they argued, she threw her wedding ring and said its over, maybe she even nailed him in the face with it, who knows just a scenario, maybe she even pushed him, or not, but anyway, it got out of hand and he snapped. Just my theory.

[jerzeegirl]

Originally posted by fiver [*]Of course you do. When someone is desribed as having "snapped" and committing murder, it is usually considered a "heat of the moment" type reaction - in other words, the act of murder immediately follows the "snap". In the SP case, as MM pointed out, there was obvious planning of the murder presented by the DA, which negates "heat of the moment". If I understand you correctly, you think that something in SP's mind snapped which caused him to formulate the murder plan. Do I have that right? [/*]

No, i followed the SP case on this board and on tv very closely. It is my opinion that he didnt want to be a father and things were building up in his world and his mind (having a girlfriend). I never believed he had the whole thing planned out for months as some may believe, and that he snapped that day, panicked and snapped. Maybe an argument started it, maybe not, but i do not think he planned this months in advance cuz his alibi put him right where the bodies were.

[fiver]

Originally posted by jerzeegirl [*]

well kinda, thats one scenario. I actually was thinking that Michelle may have found out that night about MM (if there was anything going on with them). She could have called him and said "get your @ss home, we have to talk". He came home with no intention on going back to the meeting, they argued, she threw her wedding ring and said its over, maybe she even nailed him in the face with it, who knows just a scenario, maybe she even pushed him, or not, but anyway, it got out of hand and he snapped. Just my theory. [/*]

That's as good of a theory as anyone has presented.

In your theory, if Jason had no intention of going back for his meeting did he only return to the hotel to provide himself an alibi?