Daily thread 5/15 - 5/21

[walton]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....ff72cc62.html

In advance of court hearings that begin Monday, Child Protective Services has drafted 10 goals and 14 tasks that parents will have to work toward in order to regain custody of their children.

CPS is proposing to give parents until next April to “provide a home free of persons who have or will abuse” children and “demonstrate the ability to protect the child(ren) from sexual abuse.” The children will remain in state custody until a judge is satisfied that the parents have complied.

[walton]

http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_9259523

Several women who have left describe a flow of underage females across the border, through Idaho, sent from Bountiful to the Texas compound for arranged marriages. Canadian officials say at least one of their citizens was seized by Texas authorities in last month's raid; Bountiful residents said there were at least several more.
Some Bountiful community members have been buying property and settling down in Idaho, which is just a 30-minute hike through the woods, or a 10-minute drive past a tiny border station.
Authorities in Idaho and FBI agents, who recently met with leaders in Bountiful, say the new residents will not find sanctuary if they want to practice polygamy there.





Interesting that the Authorities in Idaho and FBI agents said that they would not find sanctuary in Idaho. I don't believe I've ever heard that said about Utah or Arizona.

[Ladyhawk]

Thanks for the link Walton. Interesting reading about the split within the group.

In the photos accompanying the article, photo number five shows employees at J.R. Blackmore & Sons and the employee on the left in the blue jacket doesn't look a day over 14 to me.

[Ladyhawk]

Originally posted by grammybear [*]walton, thanksfor the info. I guess it will be a wait and see stand now. With all these women who have been so indoctoranated in the FLDS way of thinking I think it will be very hard for these women to stand strong and follow through.

Quite interesting what the LE and Idaho have to say about this issue. If as that last article says they have brought people such as the child brides to another state wouldn't that be considered kidnapping?

I suspect that the FBI has been looking into this group for a long time.

jmoo [/*]

I think it would be hard for anyone to accept that their entire way of life and everything they believed was wrong. I know it would be hard for me to accept it....I was devastated when I found out about Santa

Seriously though, the transport of females across state lines for immoral purposes is called the Mann Act and I think this is interesting....Mann Act case decision Cleveland v. United States (329 U.S. 14, 16-17) (1946). The Court decided that a person can be prosecuted under the Mann Act even when married to the woman if the marriage is polygamous. Thus polygamous marriage was determined to be an “immoral purpose.”

amoo

Couple of interesting finds today:

Destroying a village to save a village

Some excellent points, well-written.

Also, in the news...

dallasnews.com

News on what CPS is outlining in order to facilitate returning the children:

CPS is proposing to give parents until next April to “provide a home free of persons who have or will abuse” children and “demonstrate the ability to protect the child(ren) from sexual abuse.” The children will remain in state custody until a judge is satisfied that the parents have complied.

On Wednesday, CPS spokesman Patrick Crimmins stressed that the guidelines — known as service plans — are silent about plural marriage and religious beliefs of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

“This is not about polygamy and it is not about religion,” Mr. Crimmins said. “It is about child sexual abuse and our commitment to protect children.”

He said, though, that youngsters were removed from the ranch because “children could not be safe there. We are trying to determine what acceptable living arrangements the parents can develop so the children are safe and protected.”

The guidelines suggest any new form of communal living is suspect. As in most child-abuse cases, the service plans say that parents must give CPS workers the names of everyone in the home and let workers make unannounced visits to verify who’s there.

And:

Former state District Judge Scott McCown of Austin said it’s significant that CPS states in the service plans for sect children that the goal is reunifying families. In rare cases, such as when a father has committed horrific crimes against his children, CPS won’t even attempt to put the family back together, he said.

Mr. Sampson said sexual abuse and abandonment revealed at the ranch “would normally yield termination of parental rights” and not include an attempt at reunification.

Sounds like there's a little frustration with the forms CPS has set up for the parents to work with, but it also calls those forms "templates," which, at least to me, means the parents can work with the forms and make them fit their own situations.

I'm very interested to see what happens at the hearings. The adults have been saying all along, "tell us what to do, and we'll do it." They're being told, it sounds like.

[Details]

I think they're being given a bit more of a chance than a family normally would because for many of them they were raised to believe this was right - so they're getting an extra chance that someone who was raised normally and knew more of the real world doesn't get.

I'm sure that will depend on each individual child's statements and condition as well though. Someone who has waterboarded babies (providing that any of their children or wives will reveal that information) should never get a child back.

[walton]

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_9271334

"The governor is very proud of the work being done by CPS," Piferrer said. "CPS has handled a very complex situation both professionally and compassionately."


Interesting to note that the spokesperson said about the complaints that Mr. Knight had concerning the CPS.



The governor's spokeswoman said the complaints were released to the news media before state officials were notified.
"Considering that DFPS (the Texas Department of Family Protective Services) had to ask for those reports after reading about them in the newspaper might suggest that he (Kight) might have his own agenda," Piferrer said.



I think this spokeswoman is right on the mark. More at the link.

[walton]

Originally posted by Ladyhawk [*]Thanks for the link Walton. Interesting reading about the split within the group.

In the photos accompanying the article, photo number five shows employees at J.R. Blackmore & Sons and the employee on the left in the blue jacket doesn't look a day over 14 to me. [/*]

Dang your good. I didn't even see the photos until you mentioned it.

Blackmore should be sitting in his own little cell singing his own little songs. jmo

[walton]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1...2,00.html?pg=1


Jeffs is scheduled to appear in court for a hearing on May 16.

The FLDS leader was convicted in Utah last year of rape as an accomplice for performing a marriage between a 14-year-old girl and her 19-year-old cousin. Jeffs was sentenced to a pair of 5-to-life sentences in the Utah State Prison. He is currently incarcerated at the Mohave County Jail, where sheriff's deputies said he has been kept in isolation since his arrival.



I wonder if this is still scheduled.

I wonder if the media will be allowed in the courtroom or if photographers will be allowed to take pictures.

Isn't this Judge Steven F. Conn that is going to hear the case?

[walton]

Among the things that parents in the polygamist sect would have to do to regain custody of their children:

•Provide a home free of abusive persons.

•Tell the state who's living on all floors of buildings they live in.

•Document their marriages and divorces.

•Attend parenting classes.

•Attend individual and family counseling sessions.

•Submit to DNA testing.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....ff72cc62.html

[KatyDid]

Originally posted by walton [*]Among the things that parents in the polygamist sect would have to do to regain custody of their children:

•Provide a home free of abusive persons.

•Tell the state who's living on all floors of buildings they live in.

•Document their marriages and divorces.

•Attend parenting classes.

•Attend individual and family counseling sessions.

•Submit to DNA testing.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....ff72cc62.html [/*]

Considering the living conditions/arrangements at the compound, this list doesn't look out of line to me.

Thanks for posting it walton

[KatyDid]

Isn't today the day Elissa Wall will be on GMA and 20/20? I have it written on my calendar to watch.

[walton]

Here is the TRUE story of Fawn Broadbent.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/specia...fe/sunday.html

Fawn's two older sisters were married within hours of being told whom they would wed. One sister was just 16 when she became the 23rd wife of Winston Blackmore, an FLDS leader in Canada. When Blackmore fell out of favor, Jeffs reassigned her to another man.

A few months after being listed in the Joy Book, Fawn told her father she wanted to leave Colorado City. Three older brothers already had left, labeled apostates by the faithful. Fawn's father told her they were dead.


Her boyfriend Steven Bateman has appeared on Anderson Cooper: http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=1&gl=us

STEVEN BATEMAN, FORMER FLDS MEMBER: My name is Steven Bateman. I am the son of David Bateman, who has been convicted of sexual abuse of a minor.

I was raised in the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the FLDS. In 2004, I left the FLDS Church and relocated in Salt Lake City, Utah.

This is one of the few pictures I have got from of my family from down there in Colorado City. It's an old picture, but it's the only one I have as a family.

I definitely miss them, for sure.

Well, my dad was a public schoolteacher, and I went to school up to eighth grade. And, once I got done with eighth grade -- and that's the last year that they said -- that's the year that they cut off public schools down there in Colorado City.

I'm an engineering technician, which we design and create robotic automated systems. I also have a handyman's business, where I do part-time after work and on weekends that I do handyman services. And it's nice to have a little bit of extra money to help get by.

[walton]

Originally posted by KatyDid [*]

Considering the living conditions/arrangements at the compound, this list doesn't look out of line to me.

Thanks for posting it walton [/*]

I thought it looked very reasonable.

[lotty]

Originally posted by walton [*]http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1...2,00.html?pg=1


Jeffs is scheduled to appear in court for a hearing on May 16.

The FLDS leader was convicted in Utah last year of rape as an accomplice for performing a marriage between a 14-year-old girl and her 19-year-old cousin. Jeffs was sentenced to a pair of 5-to-life sentences in the Utah State Prison. He is currently incarcerated at the Mohave County Jail, where sheriff's deputies said he has been kept in isolation since his arrival.



I wonder if this is still scheduled.

I wonder if the media will be allowed in the courtroom or if photographers will be allowed to take pictures.

Isn't this Judge Steven F. Conn that is going to hear the case? [/*]

Hmmmm...I guess it is still scheduled, I haven't seen anything that says it's not. Although somedays it takes a while for them to get something new up.

http://www.mohavecourts.com/highprof...ofileJeffs.htm

[walton]

Originally posted by lotty [*]

Hmmmm...I guess it is still scheduled, I haven't seen anything that says it's not. Although somedays it takes a while for them to get something new up.

http://www.mohavecourts.com/highprof...ofileJeffs.htm [/*]

And Steven F. Conn is the Judge. Hmmmmm

[lotty]

Originally posted by walton [*]

And Steven F. Conn is the Judge. Hmmmmm [/*]

Yes.
The court calendar.
http://www.mohavecourts.com/calendar/division3.pdf

[Roux]

Originally posted by walton [*]http://www.sltrib.com/ci_9271334

"The governor is very proud of the work being done by CPS," Piferrer said. "CPS has handled a very complex situation both professionally and compassionately."


Interesting to note that the spokesperson said about the complaints that Mr. Knight had concerning the CPS.



The governor's spokeswoman said the complaints were released to the news media before state officials were notified.
"Considering that DFPS (the Texas Department of Family Protective Services) had to ask for those reports after reading about them in the newspaper might suggest that he (Kight) might have his own agenda," Piferrer said.



I think this spokeswoman is right on the mark. More at the link. [/*]

I'm concerned about the allegations made by the HCMHMR but I also wonder about Chairman Kight's agenda. Why release to the media before meeting with CPS or the governor when he knows this is such an emotionally charged situation? Why were there no names given of the mental health workers making these serious allegations (no privacy issue IMO re THEIR names). I've gone to their website and am considering sending an email voicing my concerns over the way Kight has handled this.

[walton]

Originally posted by Roux [*]

I'm concerned about the allegations made by the HCMHMR but I also wonder about Chairman Kight's agenda. Why release to the media before meeting with CPS or the governor when he knows this is such an emotionally charged situation? Why were there no names given of the mental health workers making these serious allegations (no privacy issue IMO re THEIR names). I've gone to their website and am considering sending an email voicing my concerns over the way Kight has handled this. [/*]

I tried finding something on this John Kight and the only thing I kept coming up with is a John Kight who does something with rainwater irrigation type system.

I don't know if it is the same one or not.

I remember there was an issue early on during the building of the Temple with some type of irrigation system. Again no clue if they are connected. jmo

[evalles]

Originally posted by Roux [*]

I'm concerned about the allegations made by the HCMHMR but I also wonder about Chairman Kight's agenda. Why release to the media before meeting with CPS or the governor when he knows this is such an emotionally charged situation? Why were there no names given of the mental health workers making these serious allegations (no privacy issue IMO re THEIR names). I've gone to their website and am considering sending an email voicing my concerns over the way Kight has handled this. [/*]

IMO, he wanted the truth to come out. CPS wouldn't have released it to the public

[Roux]

Originally posted by walton [*]

I tried finding something on this John Kight and the only thing I kept coming up with is a John Kight who does something with rainwater irrigation type system.

I don't know if it is the same one or not.

I remember there was an issue early on during the building of the Temple with some type of irrigation system. Again no clue if they are connected. jmo [/*]

Ahh, irrigation...that explains the green, green grass surrounding the temple! I always noticed how green it was compared to the surrounding grounds.

[walton]

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=4863899&page=1

Wall has documented her terrible ordeal in a new memoir called "Stolen Innocence."

In it, she described in detail growing up in the sect that she says betrayed her faith. She says her wedding was the culmination of a traumatic experience that began when church leaders removed her, her mom and sisters from their family and reassigned them to another man — Fred Jessop.


Then, just months after her eighth-grade graduation, Jessop told her she'd be married in a week.

"Deep down inside, I knew it wasn't right," Wall said. "I didn't want to be married at 14. [Sect members] honestly believe, and I did and so did my mother, that God sent down inspiration from heaven, like a strike of lightning, down to the prophet. This was God's word. And we were to follow it, obediently and happily."



Boy, am I slow to catch on. Check out all the videos.

[KatyDid]

Originally posted by Roux [*]

I'm concerned about the allegations made by the HCMHMR but I also wonder about Chairman Kight's agenda. Why release to the media before meeting with CPS or the governor when he knows this is such an emotionally charged situation? Why were there no names given of the mental health workers making these serious allegations (no privacy issue IMO re THEIR names). I've gone to their website and am considering sending an email voicing my concerns over the way Kight has handled this. [/*]

ITA!! The way he handled it leads me to believe he has a personal agenda. He didn't take it through the customary channels. Had he done that and then gone to the media with his documentation, I think he would be more believable.

As it is, he looks like he is grandstanding for personal gain.

[walton]

http://www.childbrides.org/texas_YFZ...t_newborn.html

From 2005

The Success has learned, however, that the 18-year-old mother-to-be was accompanied to the hospital by family members, including the baby's father and paternal grandparents.

Representatives of Child Protective Services were reportedly contacted by hospital personnel when the baby’s parents would not provide the health care workers with adequate information. CPS spokesperson Marleigh Meisner said that she was aware of developments at the YFZ Ranch but would neither confirm nor deny her agency’s involvement in connection with the newborn infant.

[KatyDid]

Any news on Warren's hearing today?
Is it still on?

Is the next hearing in Texas still May 19th?

[lotty]

Originally posted by KatyDid [*]Any news on Warren's hearing today?
Is it still on?

Is the next hearing in Texas still May 19th? [/*]

Warren's should be today, 1:30 in AZ.

[walton]

Originally posted by KatyDid [*]Any news on Warren's hearing today?
Is it still on?

Is the next hearing in Texas still May 19th? [/*]

So far it is still a yes for both.

Michael Jackson showed up for late for his court hearings and showed up in his jammies. But you could still tell it was Michael Jackson.

Wonder if Warren will be in a Dart Vadar costume. Ya know to protect is identity. (For security reasons ) j/k

[KatyDid]

Originally posted by walton [*]

So far it is still a yes for both.

Michael Jackson showed up for late for his court hearings and showed up in his jammies. But you could still tell it was Michael Jackson.

Wonder if Warren will be in a Dart Vadar costume. Ya know to protect is identity. (For security reasons ) j/k [/*]

yeah...or maybe dressed as a nun. wouldn't that be sweet?

[KatyDid]

Originally posted by lotty [*]

Warren's should be today, 1:30 in AZ. [/*]

Thank you lotty

[Details]

Originally posted by evalles [*]IMO, he wanted the truth to come out. CPS wouldn't have released it to the public [/*]

If he just wanted the truth out, he could send it to CPS first, to the media if and when they don't take action (as in, "I expect to hear immediately what is being done to correct this, or I will forward to the media - give them a day or two). To the media first speaks volumes. As do the substance of the allegations.

And not only to the media first and only (not CPS, not the governor, no attempt made to solve the problem - if any - I'm not convinced of that - ex-FLDS consultant saw something different, even within the letters there's quite the range of stories) - but now talking about hiring civil rights lawyers - something doesn't ring true about his actions.

I think he saw some of his people upset over the conditions, encouraged that upset, got the letters, and used them for the publicity he wants. FLDS has ample money for lawyers, not to mention that the ACLU is there, tons of lawyers are there, for the men, the women, the children, etc.

[evalles]

Originally posted by Details [*]If he just wanted the truth out, he could send it to CPS first, to the media if and when they don't take action (as in, "I expect to hear immediately what is being done to correct this, or I will forward to the media - give them a day or two). To the media first speaks volumes. As do the substance of the allegations.

And not only to the media first and only (not CPS, not the governor, no attempt made to solve the problem - if any - I'm not convinced of that - ex-FLDS consultant saw something different, even within the letters there's quite the range of stories) - but now talking about hiring civil rights lawyers - something doesn't ring true about his actions.

I think he saw some of his people upset over the conditions, encouraged that upset, got the letters, and used them for the publicity he wants. FLDS has ample money for lawyers, not to mention that the ACLU is there, tons of lawyers are there, for the men, the women, the children, etc. [/*]

The governor is in charge of CPS, based on what they saw, IMO they had no reason to believe that CPS had done the right thing. Also, with all the propaganda against these people, they need to be heard.
I see no reason why the social workers would lie, and they certainly seem sincere.
This issue is all over the media, it's not fair to wage what, in my opinion is a campaign against these families and not allow any information that supports them be heard.
We should also know what our tax money is paying for.

[Roux]

Originally posted by evalles [*]

The governor is in charge of CPS, based on what they saw, IMO they had no reason to believe that CPS had done the right thing. Also, with all the propaganda against these people, they need to be heard.
I see no reason why the social workers would lie, and they certainly seem sincere.
This issue is all over the media, it's not fair to wage what, in my opinion is a campaign against these families and not allow any information that supports them be heard.
We should also know what our tax money is paying for. [/*]

These families have been all over the morning talk shows and allowed to state their position for themselves. If there's any propaganda, IMO it's the FLDS, not the state.

Neither do I know why the mental health workers would lie, but there was a lot about their statements that just didn't sound right. I agree with the fellow from the Baptist home who said much of it was a differing point of view.

[KatyDid]

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1...7,00.html?pg=1

FLDS leader's lawyers seek dismissal of indictment
By Ben Winslow
Deseret News
Published: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:21 a.m. MDT

Jeffs is scheduled to appear in a Kingman court this afternoon for a scheduling hearing. The FLDS leader is charged there with sexual misconduct with a minor and incest as an accomplice, accusing him of performing child-bride marriages.


Some good background in this article about the purpose of the hearing today. At the link.

[Details]

Originally posted by evalles [*]The governor is in charge of CPS, based on what they saw, IMO they had no reason to believe that CPS had done the right thing. Also, with all the propaganda against these people, they need to be heard.
I see no reason why the social workers would lie, and they certainly seem sincere.
This issue is all over the media, it's not fair to wage what, in my opinion is a campaign against these families and not allow any information that supports them be heard.
We should also know what our tax money is paying for. [/*]

A campaign? CPS hardly talks - we get what comes out in court, and a response only to the media release of these allegations.

FLDS is on the air continuously, make all kinds of allegations. There's no lack of them being heard.

There's no campaign, other than FLDS. The rest of it is the media reporting the story - and, IMO, seeing the obvious - that when you have a cult whose core belief is child abuse, that something must be done.

[Details]

I don't think the social workers lied - I think they were emotionally involved, and let those emotions dictate how they saw the situation, I think they were used to the 'normal' situation they are called in (counselling disaster victims), and couldn't adapt to this much more difficult situation. I do think at least one report was not what the social worker saw, but what she was told by a FLDS mother - which would make it very biased and unreliable (IIRC, BTW, there are videos of the mothers or children leaving that contradict the scene described by the MH workers - or did I imagine that?).

They get there, the women seem nice, they are counsellors, not investigators, so they bond and take the side of the women. Not a good thing when they are supposed to be neutral, and when an investigation is going on into the things that a nice "sweet" exterior can hide. So, when the nice sweet women are asked the hard questions - they were upset - they're used to a disaster, and if a disaster worker was asking tough questions of a disaster victim, that'd be a bad thing. Here - the hard questions must be asked, the children must be able to answer questions without the mother listening, the CPS workers must make sure that the mothers are not impeding the investigation and ordering children to be silent. It's a totally different situation from when you are called in as help and an ear for families who have lost their home to a hurricane or some similar disaster. And it's an uncomfortable place - hard for such a small county to instantly provide 550 people a comfortable site.

I think the MH people, naturally, didn't know or understand all of why the children were there, and reacted to that, began to take sides, and that is a real problem. I read every letter they wrote (and it's notable that some found no problem at all with the CPS workers demeanor nor actions - were they blind - or do we have a contradiction here) - and most of what they discuss is a culture clash between investigators and counsellors, IMO.

[Ladyhawk]

Originally posted by walton [*]http://www.sltrib.com/ci_9271334

~~snip~~

Interesting to note that the spokesperson said about the complaints that Mr. Knight had concerning the CPS.

The governor's spokeswoman said the complaints were released to the news media before state officials were notified.
"Considering that DFPS (the Texas Department of Family Protective Services) had to ask for those reports after reading about them in the newspaper might suggest that he (Kight) might have his own agenda," Piferrer said.

I think this spokeswoman is right on the mark. More at the link. [/*]

After reading the complaints for myself, I find it hard to believe that these complaints were written by individual degreed professionals. Grammar, sentence structure, spelling, verb tense errors throughout each one. Mr. Kight should be more upset that people on the payroll of his MHMR corporation would submit something like this as a 'professional' opinion. It wouldn't surprise me if each of these complaints weren't written by the same person. There is a thread of similarity in each in the way the mothers are described and not one clearly defined 'bad CPS behavior" incident....not one says "I observed...."; or "on the night of ....."; or "I witnessed.....". In one complaint ms. unknown worker says he/she goes in and sees all the mothers sitting with their children, reading to them...and then one of the mothers asks where did they take our children. Nope...I don't think these were written by professional MHMR workers.

[walton]

Boy, I have been all over the place. Arizona, Utah, Texas, CNN, ABC, MSNBC, Fox, local newspapers, local radio, local television, blogs and messageboards.

Nothing so far about the hearing.

I wonder if when they do go to print- if we will see the same old mug shot they have been using of Warren. Or some of the photos that Ben Winslow took in court on the day that he was found guilty.

I studied them so much I know what color ties they were wearing.

Court on a Friday at 1:30. kinda looking like a leaning towards dropping the charges doesn't it? Everyone is already disgusted with Judge Steven F. Conn.

I bet we won't get to see Warren. I bet we won't even get to see someone dressed up like Warren or Darth Vadar for that matter.


jmo

[KatyDid]

Originally posted by walton [*]Boy, I have been all over the place. Arizona, Utah, Texas, CNN, ABC, MSNBC, Fox, local newspapers, local radio, local television, blogs and messageboards.

Nothing so far about the hearing.

I wonder if when they do go to print- if we will see the same old mug shot they have been using of Warren. Or some of the photos that Ben Winslow took in court on the day that he was found guilty.

I studied them so much I know what color ties they were wearing.

Court on a Friday at 1:30. kinda looking like a leaning towards dropping the charges doesn't it? Everyone is already disgusted with Judge Steven F. Conn.

I bet we won't get to see Warren. I bet we won't even get to see someone dressed up like Warren or Darth Vadar for that matter.


jmo [/*]

I've been looking everywhere too walton. I'm coming up empty. It looks like the AP is probably there to report what happens in court today.

I don't know anything aout the judge.

With all the media attention on the FLDS lately, I'm wondering if the judge wants that kind of attention on him if he drops the charges.

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by Ladyhawk [*]

After reading the complaints for myself, I find it hard to believe that these complaints were written by individual degreed professionals. . .
Nope...I don't think these were written by professional MHMR workers. [/*]

<bandwidth snip>

I completely agree with your assessment. I read emotional, subjective sentences. Professionals don't write that way.

JMO

[walton]

Originally posted by KatyDid [*]

I've been looking everywhere too walton. I'm coming up empty. It looks like the AP is probably there to report what happens in court today.

I don't know anything aout the judge.

With all the media attention on the FLDS lately, I'm wondering if the judge wants that kind of attention on him if he drops the charges. [/*]

He is the one that sentenced Fischer to 45 days for sleeping with his stepdaughter. He is married to her mother. When she wrote a letter to the Judge asking for him to go light on Fischer she called Fischer- Father in parts of her letter and she also referred to him as her husband.

She was 16 years old and had children with Fischer. Her spiritual husband who was also her step-father. Her letter screamed of being mentally abused.

Conn really doesn't have anything to lose. Who is going to come down on him?