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Originally posted by martha [*] Ha I bet he would love that. I think she has been told to keep her mouth shut by her lawyers. Most lawyers don;t want you to do any talking if they or resp you. I do think they or trying to work up a show on this case tho. jmho [/*]
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She's hard headed. IMO she's a woman who will disobey her lawyer just like how she managed all her crap w/ Cesar at myspace and Yahoo Messenger and not telling LE about it ---
Ooppps did i say she didnt tell LE about it? Yeah - That's the new definition of "cooperating witness" - not 100% providing LE the information they needed
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Oooooh I just bet they would love that.
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 Someone needs to email Greta and have her go to Mexico - I am sure she doesnt want MSNBC to get the first interview of Cesar
What do you think are the top 5 questions these media people will ask Cesar?
Hmmm my top 5 questions are:
1. Who killed Maria?
2. Why did you bury Maria on your backyard and not somewhere else?
3. Are you the father of Maria's baby?
4. What is the "proof" you are talking about?
5. And of course - Is your wife telling the truth about her no involvement on this case?
So what's your top 5?
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ditto on the questions babes . . . i'd only add a double header to your 1st one . . . why?
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I dunno... the MC is now saying that when Maria reported her allegations in May, she told them of two sexual encounters with Laurean -- one in March that she herself told them was consensual, and the other in April that she said was rape. That's in the letter from Lt. Gen. Kramlich to Rep. Turner. Answer #1, paragraph 2.
Was it misreported early on that both instances were claimed by her to be rape? Or did the MC say that very thing at one time, only to say something different now?
If so, why?
Are they re-writing history? Lying? Correcting misinformation? I think the actual number of alleged rapes reported by Maria to anyone concerned needs to be settled before anyone further uses supposed facts as ammunition against a grieving mother.
Right now, the MC is stating to a member of Congress that Maria reported one sexual assualt.
Kinda like what you said her mother recalls Maria telling her on the phone, no?
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From what I remember from the press conference back in January, it was said she reported 2 incidences and it was determined the first was consensual. I dont' have a link so....JMO.
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My #1 question to CL would be: Have you retained or been assigned an International lawyer specializing in extradition?
#2 question: Do you or your attorney anticipate federal charges?
#3 question: If you were guaranteed no federal charges, would you voluntarily return to face state charges?
#4 question: You face LWOP in the US courts if found guilty and 20 to 50 years plus in Mexico if found guilty, where do you want to spend the rest of your life?
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05-01-2008, 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by Jan Powell [*]My #1 question to CL would be: Have you retained or been assigned an International lawyer specializing in extradition?
#2 question: Do you or your attorney anticipate federal charges?
#3 question: If you were guaranteed no federal charges, would you voluntarily return to face state charges?
#4 question: You face LWOP in the US courts if found guilty and 20 to 50 years plus in Mexico if found guilty, where do you want to spend the rest of your life? [/*]
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I missed the part about getting 20-50 if found guilty in Mexico. What is that all about?
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Someone needs to email Greta and have her go to Mexico - I am sure she doesn't want MSNBC to get the first interview of Cesar
What do you think are the top 5 questions these media people will ask Cesar?
Hmmm my top 5 questions are:
1. Who killed Maria?
2. Why did you bury Maria on your backyard and not somewhere else?
3. Are you the father of Maria's baby?
4. What is the "proof" you are talking about?
5. And of course - Is your wife telling the truth about her no involvement on this case?
So what's your top 5? [/*]
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1. How long have you been in love with Maria?
2. Were you and Maria alone when all of this happened?
3. Why did Maria select El Paso as her destination?
4. Did she tell you specifically what happened that made her plans fall through? If so what was it?
5. Do you have knowledge and evidence that would show you are not the murderer of Maria and Gabriel?
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Good morning everyone just droped in to see if there is any news. I am going to Sam's club with my son to get groc. today so I will be back later on today. you all have a very good day and I will check back tonight to see if we have anything new. I hate beening away from my computer ha. I wonder if we have a new baby today? bye everyone
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1. How long have you been in love with Maria?
2. Were you and Maria alone when all of this happened?
3. Why did Maria select El Paso as her destination?
4. Did she tell you specifically what happened that made her plans fall through? If so what was it?
5. Do you have knowledge and evidence that would show you are not the murderer of Maria and Gabriel?
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Hi sweet pie good to see you this morning I like your questions. I wish he would ans these. My head is full of ques I would love to ask him. I am not sure he will ever come back to the states if he can just get 20 years in mexico. Hope everything is ok your way. bye for now I will be back later tonight.
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Originally posted by martha [*] Hi sweet pie good to see you this morning I like your questions. I wish he would ans these. My head is full of ques I would love to ask him. I am not sure he will ever come back to the states if he can just get 20 years in mexico. Hope everything is ok your way. bye for now I will be back later tonight. [/*]
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Good Morning, sweet lady!
Enjoy your outing with your son.
Maybe some news will come soon.
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Hi sweet pie, yep I hope we get some news today. Sam's club is about one hour from my house my son need groc. I will be back on later . have a good day
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From what I remember from the press conference back in January, it was said she reported 2 incidences and it was determined the first was consensual. I dont' have a link so....JMO. [/*]
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That's my memory too Caejde. I also remember Mary and Uncle Peter both stating she didn't know him, had no social contact and had been asked that by her mother. But now we are hearing something much different.
I think Maria didn't want her family to know the details of her relationship with Cesar from what we've seen and heard.
JMO, but no I don't liken it to what we have heard from Mary. After all, she is her mother and I would think her word could be representative of what her daughter was thinking. But if she only told Mary of April 10th, then what's left to think about that?
I don't know.....
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1. How long have you been in love with Maria?
2. Were you and Maria alone when all of this happened?
3. Why did Maria select El Paso as her destination?
4. Did she tell you specifically what happened that made her plans fall through? If so what was it?
5. Do you have knowledge and evidence that would show you are not the murderer of Maria and Gabriel?
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I like your questions 2 and 5
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05-01-2008, 03:33 PM
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I missed the part about getting 20-50 if found guilty in Mexico. What is that all about? [/*]
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Because he's a Mexian national, instead of extraditing him if he fights it, the US and Mexico can Article 4 try him there.
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Because he's a Mexian national, instead of extraditing him if he fights it, the US and Mexico can Article 4 try him there. [/*]
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The US can try him in a foreign country? What does Article 4 entail? I don't know what it entails. Thanks.
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I dunno... the MC is now saying that when Maria reported her allegations in May, she told them of two sexual encounters with Laurean -- one in March that she herself told them was consensual, and the other in April that she said was rape. That's in the letter from Lt. Gen. Kramlich to Rep. Turner. Answer #1, paragraph 2.
Was it misreported early on that both instances were claimed by her to be rape? Or did the MC say that very thing at one time, only to say something different now?
If so, why?
Are they re-writing history? Lying? Correcting misinformation? I think the actual number of alleged rapes reported by Maria to anyone concerned needs to be settled before anyone further uses supposed facts as ammunition against a grieving mother.
Right now, the MC is stating to a member of Congress that Maria reported one sexual assualt.
Kinda like what you said her mother recalls Maria telling her on the phone, no?
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From what I remember from the press conference back in January, it was said she reported 2 incidences and it was determined the first was consensual. I dont' have a link so....JMO.
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From the January 15 Marine Corps Press Conference:
http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn...1-15-0028.html
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On May 11th, 2007, LCpl Lauterbach confides in her Officer-in-Charge two incidents of a sexual nature with Cpl Laurean. After some initial discussions, the command’s Uniform Victim Advocate meets with LCpl Lauterbach and explains the Victim Advocate Program to her. The UVA takes LCpl Lauterbach to the Naval Criminal Investigative Service office aboard Camp Lejeune to file a formal complaint. LCpl Lauterbach reports to NCIS an alleged sexual encounter with Cpl Laurean on March 26, 2007, and a second encounter approximately two weeks later. LCpl Lauterbach alleged she had been raped by Cpl Laurean. The command’s UVA accompanies LCpl Lauterbach to the medical department for a medical exam. Due to the length of time that elapsed between the alleged assault and the complaint, a forensic examination, or rape kit, is not performed. However, a “Well Woman” exam is performed to include a pregnancy test. The pregnancy test result is negative.
NCIS opens a rape investigation.
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LCPL Maria Lauterbach reported two sexual encounters with CPL. Cesar Laurean. The first incident was alleged to have occurred on March 26, 2007, and the second on an undetermined date in early April 2007.
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In May 2007, when LCPL Lauterbach formally made allegations of rape against CPL Laurean, the command was only made aware of two reported sexual encounters.--one sexual encounter that was characterized as consensual by LCPL Lauterbach and the other alleged by her to be rape.
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http://media.mgnetwork.com/nct/image...equestions.pdf
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I think the actual number of alleged rapes reported by Maria to anyone concerned needs to be settled before anyone further uses supposed facts as ammunition against a grieving mother.
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There were two encounters one characterized by the victim to be consensual and one that the victim alleged to be rape.
Her mother states that her daughter called her and said that she had been attacked on April 10, 2007.
The MC statements show that LCPL Maria Lauterbach may have been inconsistent in her report to her family...
While she told the MC that she chose to engage in a sexual encounter with Cpl Cesar Laurean on March 26, 2007 and that there was a second sexual encounter after the March 26, 2007 encounter and that she did not give her consent. (Actually it was reported by NCIS that she told him no and he stopped)
She neglected to tell her mother (and family) that she had consented to have sex with CPL Laurean on March 26, 2007 and then refused to have sex with him on a second sexual encounter in early April 2007.
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Thanks Nelkirk!
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The US can try him in a foreign country? What does Article 4 entail? I don't know what it entails. Thanks. [/*]
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Under the treaty we have with Mexico if they have the same law in Mexico that we have here in the US and if they believe that his rights under Mexican Law (dual citizenship) or if they feel that his human rights will be violated, Mexico can choose to try him under their legal system and sentence him under their legal system. Remember that their system is Napoleonic: A person is guilty until proven innocent. Also the Mexican court has already it's readiness to grant extradition...the US State Department along with the US Department of Justice are working with their Mexican counterparts on a treaty in this case as to who will have jurisdiction.
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I believe he will be extradited to the U.S., tried in the U.S., and put in a U.S. prison.
Why in the world would Mexico want to spend one red cent on trying him there. Not a chance. imo
Why in the world would the U.S. be working on a treaty in reference to this case when a treaty is already in effect? That makes no sense to me. jmo
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She's hard headed. IMO she's a woman who will disobey her lawyer just like how she managed all her crap w/ Cesar at myspace and Yahoo Messenger and not telling LE about it ---
Ooppps did i say she didnt tell LE about it? Yeah - That's the new definition of "cooperating witness" - not 100% providing LE the information they needed [/*]
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Yep I guess she might be a little hard headed/ you or so funny Babes. I guess nothing has happened with cl today. I was going to check the news sight but lost the link to it. Hope you all have had a good day/
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Originally posted by s.breda [*]I believe he will be extradited to the U.S., tried in the U.S., and put in a U.S. prison.
Why in the world would Mexico want to spend one red cent on trying him there. Not a chance. imo
Why in the world would the U.S. be working on a treaty in reference to this case when a treaty is already in effect? That makes no sense to me. jmo [/*]
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Do you think it will take years to get him back to the states? If he fight it I can understand why it would take a long time but if not then I don;t see why they can;t just go pick him up. The way I understand it we have taken the death pen. of the board?
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There has been a lot of what seems to be incorrect or contradictory information regarding this case. Starting with the misreporting of Mary as Maria's step mother.
IIRC, during the USMC press conference in January, early on in the conference LtCol Hill made the statement that Maria was born in Orange City , Florida. Orange City is in Volusia County, FL (central Florida). Maria' death certificate indicates that she was born in Manatee County, which is on the west coast of Florida south of Tampa. So, which is correct? Why would the USMC report something contradictory to what is on the death certificate? As a purely curious inquiring mind, I'd like to know.
Not that this has any real bearing on Maria's tragic murder, but it does demonstrate yet another miscommunication about this case. Just an observation.
JMO
Edited to correct the word miscommunicated to miscommunication.
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you or right it may not matter in this case but if they keep on letting out stuff that is not true then it could mess up the trial if we ever have one. A good DA will have a field day with some of this stuff if it gets in. I have seen and heard of the smallest little thing getting someone off just because people were not careful what they were saying. It makes me wonder if we will ever get the whole truth in this case.
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Originally posted by Kel65 [*]There has been a lot of what seems to be incorrect or contradictory information regarding this case. Starting with the misreporting of Mary as Maria's step mother.
IIRC, during the USMC press conference in January, early on in the conference LtCol Hill made the statement that Maria was born in Orange City , Florida. Orange City is in Volusia County, FL (central Florida). Maria' death certificate indicates that she was born in Manatee County, which is on the west coast of Florida south of Tampa. So, which is correct? Why would the USMC report something contradictory to what is on the death certificate? As a purely curious inquiring mind, I'd like to know.
Not that this has any real bearing on Maria's tragic murder, but it does demonstrate yet another miscommunication about this case. Just an observation.[/*]
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I think the Military has the true Birth info. from her Birth Certificate, and the Death Certificate was information obtained from Mary...................my hunch anyway as my brother had to show his BC upon joining the Military.
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From the January 15 Marine Corps Press Conference:
http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn...1-15-0028.html
General Kramlich states:
Also in A1 General Kramlich states:
http://media.mgnetwork.com/nct/image...equestions.pdf
So in answer to your questions:
NO and NO
The MC's early statements are consistent with General Kramlich's reply to Rep Turner...
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There were two encounters one characterized by the victim to be consensual and one that the victim alleged to be rape.
Her mother states that her daughter called her and said that she had been attacked on April 10, 2007.
The MC statements show that LCPL Maria Lauterbach may have been inconsistent in her report to her family...
While she told the MC that she chose to engage in a sexual encounter with Cpl Cesar Laurean on March 26, 2007 and that there was a second sexual encounter after the March 26, 2007 encounter and that she did not give her consent. (Actually it was reported by NCIS that she told him no and he stopped)
She neglected to tell her mother (and family) that she had consented to have sex with CPL Laurean on March 26, 2007 and then refused to have sex with him on a second sexual encounter in early April 2007. [/*]
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I don;t understand how it was rape if she ask him to stop and he did? I am just a country girl from miss but jmho I don;t think there was ever a rape in the first place.
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Martha-, I've often wondered the same thing. From what has been put out to the public, it sounds like it started off as consensual sex, she got cold feet told him to stop and he did. If this is true, then where is the violence and force to make it rape? JMO
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Originally posted by Kel65 [*]There has been a lot of what seems to be incorrect or contradictory information regarding this case. Starting with the misreporting of Mary as Maria's step mother.
IIRC, during the USMC press conference in January, early on in the conference LtCol Hill made the statement that Maria was born in Orange City , Florida. Orange City is in Volusia County, FL (central Florida). Maria' death certificate indicates that she was born in Manatee County, which is on the west coast of Florida south of Tampa. So, which is correct? Why would the USMC report something contradictory to what is on the death certificate? As a purely curious inquiring mind, I'd like to know.
Not that this has any real bearing on Maria's tragic murder, but it does demonstrate yet another miscommunication about this case. Just an observation.
JMO
Edited to correct the word miscommunicated to miscommunication. [/*]
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The MC took whatever was in her SRB...it could have been what she told her Recruiter or what he took off her documentation.
Did Maria have her original birth certificate or did the state of Floria issue her an amended birth certificate due to the aoption process in that state.
Also there are other forms of documentation if a birth certificate is not available. Catholic baptismal records are valid for proof of birth in the absence of a birth certificate...
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Martha-, I've often wondered the same thing. From what has been put out to the public, it sounds like it started off as consensual sex, she got cold feet told him to stop and he did. If this is true, then where is the violence and force to make it rape? JMO [/*]
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I think many have wondered this.
I am not sure if to be considered rape there has to be violence though.
I have heard that once she said that she felt both incidence were rape they went ahead and investigated as that, which makes sense but I have to wonder if she was talking this over with someone and that is how it became the issue or if she went there with full intentions on rape charges being alleged.
My question has always been why a year and still an investigation when there is no evidence. I personally think if there was no evidence then the alleged rape should of been dropped and if there was evidence of an affair then that investigation could go on. Two different charges two different investigations.
Maybe someone could clear that up.
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Martha, good evening!
It's not because you're a country girl from MS, there are many of us left with our jaws hanging on the allegation period IMO.
Given that Maria was allegedly in a VOTECH PROGRAM for CRIMINAL JUSTICE the two years prior to graduation, it's hard to believe this young woman could have been so uneducated in sexual assault, awareness and the importance of reporting. Plain and simple, I do not believe it. Then add on the education the USMC provides on sexual assault awareness and that only looks worse, not to mention the inconsistencies and information her mother provided.
None of it makes sense IMO Martha. I think we are looking at a troubled young woman who was nervous about possibly being pregnant even back in April and May. I see a strong possibility of regret sex being touted as rape allegations by what we have heard.
ALL JMO and that doesn't diminish my desire for justice for Maria and her unborn child in any way.
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Originally posted by hinman [*]I think many have wondered this.
I am not sure if to be considered rape there has to be violence though.
I have heard that once she said that she felt both incidence were rape they went ahead and investigated as that, which makes sense but I have to wonder if she was talking this over with someone and that is how it became the issue or if she went there with full intentions on rape charges being alleged.
My question has always been why a year and still an investigation when there is no evidence. I personally think if there was no evidence then the alleged rape should of been dropped and if there was evidence of an affair then that investigation could go on. Two different charges two different investigations.
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Who had the authority to decide when the investigation could be closed? NCIS was still investgation the allegations, even up to November NCIS was advising that no charges be made against CL. Until NCIS and JAG came to an agreement on whether charges would be filed on CL, the investigationn would remain open. For some reason NCIS and JAG wanted to wait until the baby was born even when ML told NCIS that she no longer believed that CL was the father of her child. Only NCIS and JAG know why they were so insistent on an Article 32 and the DNA of her child.
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Originally posted by Kel65 [*]There has been a lot of what seems to be incorrect or contradictory information regarding this case. Starting with the misreporting of Mary as Maria's step mother.
IIRC, during the USMC press conference in January, early on in the conference LtCol Hill made the statement that Maria was born in Orange City , Florida. Orange City is in Volusia County, FL (central Florida). Maria' death certificate indicates that she was born in Manatee County, which is on the west coast of Florida south of Tampa. So, which is correct? Why would the USMC report something contradictory to what is on the death certificate? As a purely curious inquiring mind, I'd like to know.
Not that this has any real bearing on Maria's tragic murder, but it does demonstrate yet another miscommunication about this case. Just an observation.
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The MC took Marias info straight out of her service record book IMO. That type of personal info was provided by Maria when she enlisted. Her birth certificate was viewed to ensure the correct information was put into her service record book. Don't think the MC reported incorrectly.
Is the death certificate the doc that contained a different date of death as well? I can't remember. I strongly don't believe that the MC is not the one that provided the person issuing the death certificate that information.
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Originally posted by martha [*]I don;t understand how it was rape if she ask him to stop and he did? I am just a country girl from miss but jmho I don;t think there was ever a rape in the first place. [/*]
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Martha I don't understand that either.
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The MC took Marias info straight out of her service record book IMO. That type of personal info was provided by Maria when she enlisted. Her birth certificate was viewed to ensure the correct information was put into her service record book. Don't think the MC reported incorrectly.
Is the death certificate the doc that contained a different date of death as well? I can't remember. I strongly don't believe that the MC is not the one that provided the person issuing the death certificate that information. [/*]
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The only thing I can think of that would make sense of the inconsistency is that maybe Maria was born in Orange City and then when she was removed from her bio parents they were residing in Manatee county. Maybe that is where the adoptive birth certificate was done? It just seems like such a strange inconsistency. I have to think that there has to be some kind of rhyme or reason. Very strange. JMO
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Who had the authority to decide when the investigation could be closed? NCIS was still investgation the allegations, even up to November NCIS was advising that no charges be made against CL. Until NCIS and JAG came to an agreement on whether charges would be filed on CL, the investigationn would remain open. For some reason NCIS and JAG wanted to wait until the baby was born even when ML told NCIS that she no longer believed that CL was the father of her child. Only NCIS and JAG know why they were so insistent on an Article 32 and the DNA of her child. [/*]
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Makes you wonder don't it. I would love to know why they wanted to wait until then.
I am not sure who would have the authority to decide when an investigation is over. They are still investigating it still is not over. It is just odd to me to have no evidence and a year later still be investigating.
I would of thought they would of pressed charges on Maria or how ever that works by then for reporting a false rape if there was not one.
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Originally posted by hinman [*]I think many have wondered this.
I am not sure if to be considered rape there has to be violence though.
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Originally posted by hinman [*]I think many have wondered this.
I am not sure if to be considered rape there has to be violence though.
I have heard that once she said that she felt both incidence were rape they went ahead and investigated as that, which makes sense but I have to wonder if she was talking this over with someone and that is how it became the issue or if she went there with full intentions on rape charges being alleged.
My question has always been why a year and still an investigation when there is no evidence. I personally think if there was no evidence then the alleged rape should of been dropped and if there was evidence of an affair then that investigation could go on. Two different charges two different investigations.
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It doesn't even sound like here was force. JMO
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Originally posted by hinman [*]I think many have wondered this.
I am not sure if to be considered rape there has to be violence though.
I have heard that once she said that she felt both incidence were rape they went ahead and investigated as that, which makes sense but I have to wonder if she was talking this over with someone and that is how it became the issue or if she went there with full intentions on rape charges being alleged.
My question has always been why a year and still an investigation when there is no evidence. I personally think if there was no evidence then the alleged rape should of been dropped and if there was evidence of an affair then that investigation could go on. Two different charges two different investigations.
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She reported 2 dates for the rapes however admitted that the relations that happened in March was consensual. So there was only one date being investigated.
IMO the investigation took long because there was no physcial evidence and NCIS found inconsistencies with Marias statements. This long timeframe the case was open indicates to me that the MC and NCIS were going to be absolutely sure as to whether a rape did or did not happen. The only proof NCIS had was the babys birth at that point which extended the case even longer.
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Martha-, I've often wondered the same thing. From what has been put out to the public, it sounds like it started off as consensual sex, she got cold feet told him to stop and he did. If this is true, then where is the violence and force to make it rape? JMO [/*]
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Didn't the MC say in their PC that the rape allegation had no violence of force in it?
It certainly seems now that men will have to become mind readers when trying to guess what is considered rape.
I just see no rape. If they were in the middle of the encounter and she told him to stop and Maria did say this is what happened then how in the world can that constitute rape?
I just never have understood that.
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She reported 2 dates for the rapes however admitted that the relations that happened in March was consensual. So there was only one date being investigated.
IMO the investigation took long because there was no physical evidence and NCIS found inconsistencies with Marias statements. This long timeframe the case was open indicates to me that the MC and NCIS were going to be absolutely sure as to whether a rape did or did not happen. The only proof NCIS had was the baby's birth at that point which extended the case even longer. [/*]
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I think only the MC would have even kept this case open. I still don't understand how Gabriel's DNA would prove the rape. It would prove he lied about have a sexual encounter with Maria but her story was so iffy imo that how could they determine even if Gabriel was his that this wasn't just a love triangle that went sour?
I think any State DA in North Carolina after the NiFong disaster would have been reluctant to put all their eggs in one basket based on the credibility of the accuser.
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