Smiley Face Killers [murder connects dozens around country]

http://www.kstp.com/

This is a link to one of Minneapolis/St Paul's TV stations. It is the best crime report I have seen. We have had several male college students who have gone missing, some of whom have been found drowned. These cases are linked to other missing/drowned college students in other parts of the country and are being investigated as murders by groups of killers. Clues have been left such as "smiley faces" painted at the scene of the murder. There will be another segment tomorrow night but this one has a lot of new info.

wow
that's insane!

Double and triple wow! So many people had suspected some kind of connection between these drownings and even the FBI didn't find anything!

[tbw10567]

Does anyone think that this is something that Josh Szostak's family should know about?

[threesnugbugs]

I have been following this connection for over ten years--I attended college in the upper Midwest (Eau Claire) and Minnesota

check out this website.

http://www.vanceholmes.com/court/trial_missing.html

[ruby]

Originally posted by threesnugbugs [*]I have been following this connection for over ten years--I attended college in the upper Midwest (Eau Claire) and Minnesota

check out this website.

http://www.vanceholmes.com/court/trial_missing.html [/*]

wow that is severely disturbing

[AmndaRcknwth]

Corridor 94

Lansing to LaCrosse

40 or so drowned young men

I've followed this on and off also. Too many coincidences to not be related, IMO.

Here's a different angle. They try to disprove the travelling killer angle.
http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/54/49/

[AmndaRcknwth]

Crime Library article

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_k....html#continue

[threesnugbugs]

Originally posted by ruby [*]

wow that is severely disturbing [/*]

I hope you meant the website and not my choice of schools !

There was a male, who, after a night of drinking, "drowned" in the river that runs through the campus in Eau Claire when I attended. It never did add up and I took notice to all the other occurrences over time.

[Kip]

I believe there's foul play involved in at least some of these deaths. I noticed the pattern myself several years ago. Within about 6 months after a young man disappeared after leaving a bar in Chicago over Xmas break (and his body later found in Lake Michigan), two or three other Midwestern young men disappeared under similar circumstances.

One reason I believe there's foul play involved is that this just isn't happening with this sort of regularity in other parts of the country. LE is continually saying it's just a case of getting drunk and falling into water and drowning. I live in California. We have lots of water here - lakes, rivers, bays, the Pacific. I read about plenty of alcohol-related deaths of college kids, but none have involved falling into a body of water and drowning.

[NCMOMOF2]

http://www.rememberchrisjenkins.com/...p?TOPIC_ID=149

[annalyzer]

http://kstp.com/article/stories/s421846.shtml?v=1

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/.../25.html#recap

That is just... crazy. I sincerely hope the detectives are wrong.

But it sure doesn't seem like they're wrong.

On a lighter note, there's a pretty cool story about bigfoot in the coast to coast link.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Leather&Lace [*]

That is scary and if there is any truth to their belief's, I hope they can get a task team together to find the killer(s). There has been a lot of young men that have disappeared. It does not just stop in those states either. [/*]

I remember a couple of years ago people talking about how many young college men who had supposedly gotten drunk and then drowned. Thought it was strange then and now to read this. I wonder if Brian Schafer from Columbus could be one of their victims. He was last seen talking to two girls outside the bar. I'm hearing this could be some kind of a cult killings. If so those two girls could have lured him to a van.

[VC2]

This is fascinating!! Would be great if enough interest was shown for a forum because of the amount of cities, cases and just the documentation. with posters from so many cities we might be able to piece some unknowns together.

Those smiley faces cannot be coincedence, and there may be many more where it just wasn't noticed or no one found the "entry" point of a drowning victim.

if they are connected the creeps have to be stopped! Men just don't get the coverage most women do, and there is sort of an assumption they were drinking or horseplaying and somehow did it to themselves.

imo

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by VC2 [*]This is fascinating!! Would be great if enough interest was shown for a forum because of the amount of cities, cases and just the documentation. with posters from so many cities we might be able to piece some unknowns together.

Those smiley faces cannot be coincedence, and there may be many more where it just wasn't noticed or no one found the "entry" point of a drowning victim.

if they are connected the creeps have to be stopped! Men just don't get the coverage most women do, and there is sort of an assumption they were drinking or horseplaying and somehow did it to themselves.

imo [/*]

I'm glad these two detectives stepped up to the plate and are investigating what LE has been calling accidental drownings of these young men for years.

Originally posted by Leather&Lace [*]

That is scary and if there is any truth to their belief's, I hope they can get a task team together to find the killer(s). There has been a lot of young men that have disappeared. It does not just stop in those states either. [/*]

The first link says Chris Jenkins was driven around for hours and tortured, torture leaved marks on the body I would think, so if he was abused were the others also tortured???


There must be a reason for all of the murders if they are done by some group, I wonder what it is.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/05/0...box.pipebombs/


Your post brought this to my mind, a kid trying to create a smiley face using small bombs.

[MoonFlwr]

Amazing dedication shown by those two detectives! Hats off to them! Wow!

[crimeq]

Originally posted by Angelina [*]My goodness, this story is unbelievable. I am thankful for the two detectives that are putting the pieces together. I must say as the story played I felt a coldness over me. I can't fathom why anyone, much less a group of people would commit crimes like this REPEATLY. I hope they are caught and all of them, if found guilty, receive the death penalty. It is as if they are doing this for fun. [/*]

I cannot comprehend a group of people doing this, either, at various locations throughout the country. Now that the story has broken, I hope we hear more details.

I must admit I didn't understand all the young men going missing, drowning while being under the influence. I suspected there may be foul play that just hadn't been uncovered, but this is just--beyond me.

Good luck to the detectives and to all LE that is now taking another look at these deaths.

[VC2]

I was shocked when he said he throught it was a group of killers. I could more likely see a couple that is travelling. Has the DA responded to this yet? I got the impression from the article that they were not going to do anything.

[crimeq]

Originally posted by VC2 [*]I was shocked when he said he throught it was a group of killers. I could more likely see a couple that is travelling. Has the DA responded to this yet? I got the impression from the article that they were not going to do anything. [/*]

VC2, I see that as more likely, also--but would think detectives would see that as more likely and for some reason did not. They must have "something" to suspect it's a group of people in far-flung locations

Whatever was/is going on, it's terribly tragic and evil.

[VC2]

The list of possible victims just in wisconsin and minnesota (from the link at the link)

Wisconsin

1) Charles Blatz 28 yrs

Missing-9/28/97 La Crosse, Wisc.

Found-10/0397 -- Mississippi River --BAC (0.20)

2) Anthony Skifton 19 yrs

Missing-10/10/97 La Crosse, Wisc.

Found-- 10/20/97-- Mississippi River --Bac (0.23)

3) Nathan Kapfer 20 yrs

Missing-2/22/98 La Crosse, Wisc.

Found---4/04/98 -- Mississippi River -Bac (0.22)

Third (3rd) child missing within five (5) months, (9/20/97 ---2/22/98). Not just the same state but the same town of La Crosse.

4) Jeffrey Geesey 21 yrs.

Missing-4/11/99 La Crosse, Wisc.

Found---5/24/99 - Mississippi River - Bac (0.42)

5) Craig Burrows 23 yrs.

Missing-9/29/02 Eau Claire, Wisc.

Found--10/06/02 - Half Moon Lake

6) Michael Noll 22 yrs.

Missing-11/06/02 Eau Claire, Wisc.

Found-----8/19/03 - Half Moon Lake

7) Nathan Herr 21 yrs.

Missing-01/10/03 Sheboygan, Wisc.

Found----3/15/03 - Lake Michigan

Third (3rd) child missing within less than three (3 1/2) months, (9/29/02--01/10/03)

8) Jared Dion 21 yrs.

Missing--4/10/04 La Crosse, Wisc.

Found----4/15/04 -- Mississippi River -Bac (0.40)

9) Joshua Snell 22 yrs. (in from Minnesota for a wedding)

Missing-6/12/05 Eau Claire, Wisc.

Found---6/15/05 - Chippewa River

10) Cullen Fortney 21 yrs.

Missing 1/08/06 Mississippi River La Crosse, Wisc.

Found---1/08/06 - ALIVE Bac (0.043-0.1643)

11) Kenji Ohnri 20 yrs.

Missing-01/28/06 Madison, Wisc.

Found----6/19/06 - Lake Mendota

12) Lucas Homan 21 yrs

Missing-9/30/06 La Crosse, Wisc.

Found--10/02/06 - Mississippi River

Minnesota

1) Ken Christiansen 19 yrs.

Missing-4/13/01 Duluth, Minn.

Found---4/16/01 - Chester Creek

2) Christopher Nordby 27 yrs.

Missing-11/07/01 Minneapolis, Minn.

Found-----2/11/02 - Mississippi River

3) Christopher Jenkins 21 yrs.

Missing-10/31/02 Minneapolis, Minn.

Found---02/27/03 - Mississippi River

4) Joshua Guimond 20 yrs.

Missing-11/09/02 Collegeville, Minn.

Found---( ) Never Found

5) Jeremy Stienkeoway 24 yrs.

Missing-01/20/03 Hinckley, Minn.

Found----4/10/03 - St. Croix River

6) Patrick Kycia 19 yrs.

Missing-9/23/05 Moorhead, Minn.

Found---9/28/05 - Red River

7) Scot Radel 21 yrs.

Missing-02/02/05 St. Cloud, Minn.

Found-----3/01/06

[annalyzer]

Most of these young men, if not all, were young, caucasion, good looking, intelligent, attending college, had been drinking heavily either at a party or a bar and were last seen leaving the bar and then later found in a body of water quite a distance away. Brian Schafer in Columbus was last seen on a video camera talking to two women outside the bar and then never seen again. I think it must be women who are luring these young men out to a van for whatever reason, probably sex, and then they are tortured, killed and put into a river. The detectives believe that it is several people doing this in different areas, not just a couple of serial killers, that they are in some kind of a cult.

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]

I think it's tied to a prison in either Minnesota or Wisconsin. There's over a three-year gap between the 4/99 and 9/02 murders. The happy face might be a prison gang sign. [/*]

What do you mean tied to a prison? These young men had nothing to do with prisons or any reason to know anyone that did. And there is more than a three year gap. They are thinking maybe as long as a decade this has been going on.

[VC2]

Originally posted by MandyMutton [*]

I think it's tied to a prison in either Minnesota or Wisconsin. There's over a three-year gap between the 4/99 and 9/02 murders. The happy face might be a prison gang sign. [/*]

i just don't see prisoners in a gang using a smiley face as their sign.

Don't forget there is new york and other states as well, the article just listed minnesota and wisconsin.

omg..a truly evil fraternity or sorority spin off perhaps?

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by VC2 [*]

i just don't see prisoners in a gang using a smiley face as their sign.

Don't forget there is new york and other states as well, the article just listed minnesota and wisconsin.

omg..a truly evil fraternity or sorority spin off perhaps? [/*]

Chris Jenkins sister speaks, is going public tomorrow.

http://www.rememberchrisjenkins.com/...p?TOPIC_ID=149

[5boxersmom]

I think there is another on in Ohio besides Brian Shaffer. I will see if I can find it.

[5boxersmom]

Here it is.

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive...02dnews-02.asp

Keith Noble, a student at Ohio University, was reported missing in April 1998. There was a tremendous search throughout the town that involved the community and the university. According to a press release about his disappearance, Noble was last seen around 1:10 a.m. at a party near campus.

Chris Gerspacher is also on there. He was at Ohio State like Brian Shaffer.

[5boxersmom]

Despite a massive search, Athens Police said Keith could not be located. Then on Wednesday, May 6, 1998 the body of the 19-year-old was discovered in the Hocking River which runs through Ohio University's campus.


http://www.vanceholmes.com/court/tri..._students.html

[5boxersmom]

And one more.

Chris Olberding had been missing since Saturday, October 2, 2004. After he'd left a party in Green Township, the University of Cincinnati freshman was no where to be found. He was gone, and so was his car.

He was found in the Ohio River.

http://www.vanceholmes.com/court/trial_missing_2.html

[5boxersmom]

Originally posted by 5boxersmom [*]Here it is.

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive...02dnews-02.asp

Keith Noble, a student at Ohio University, was reported missing in April 1998. There was a tremendous search throughout the town that involved the community and the university. According to a press release about his disappearance, Noble was last seen around 1:10 a.m. at a party near campus.

Chris Gerspacher is also on there. He was at Ohio State like Brian Shaffer. [/*]

Chris Gerspacher was found murder, shot in the head. They caught the men who murdered him.
http://media.www.thelantern.com/medi...s-282975.shtml

[LisaM22]

remember this case

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1109692/posts

"No trial for 'Smiley face' bomber"

[crimeq]

Originally posted by VC2 [*]The list of possible victims just in wisconsin and minnesota (from the link at the link)

--snipped for space[/*]

Thanks for posting this, VC2. This certainly indicates to me that there's at least a locus here in WI and MN. Maybe it is the same people traveling--located there in the midwest but traveling occasionally to other places.

This list in just WI and MN is HUGE. Enormous.

I'm leaning towards women killers because of the smiley face, though that's not necessarily going to be limited to women--just kind of strange for a man. OTH the murders of these successful and attractive young men could be done by a man/men out of jealousy--an ultra "haves" vs. "have nots" scenario.

The victim profile is very pronounced throughout these murders, as well as disposition of the bodies.

Here are links to a missing Georgia male college student. Gainesville-Duluth Ga area near Lake Lanier/Chattahoochee River. Wonder if he could be a victim of this group/cult/whoever?

http://*************.net/index.php?P...&topic=2321.80

http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/...80120071.shtml

http://coltonleviclark.wordpress.com...hael-barbiere/

Website of missing college students - missing without a trace.

It will be interesting to see what comes out in the news media tomorrow. I will be watching for the news conference and 20/20.

I pray these murders will be solved and the perps caught/convicted.

http://footprintsattheriversedge.blogspot.com/

Another VERY interesting link.

Footprints At The River's Edge
Is there truly a serial killer working the Great Lakes area, as some suspect? Or are all these cases unfortunate accidents?

[annalyzer]

More talk on the subject


http://helpfindthemissing.org/blog/

[annalyzer]

Originally posted by Kathy*Rae [*]

BE CAREFUL!

That site has been hacked again. I just clicked on the link and hope I got out fast enough. lol [/*]

I see the forums are hacked but the link I posted takes you directly to a blog which is not affected.

Originally posted by Angelina [*]My goodness, this story is unbelievable. I am thankful for the two detectives that are putting the pieces together. I must say as the story played I felt a coldness over me. I can't fathom why anyone, much less a group of people would commit crimes like this REPEATLY. I hope they are caught and all of them, if found guilty, receive the death penalty. It is as if they are doing this for fun. [/*]

Me too Angelina. It sent icy shivers through me. I hope they can get this club of killers off the streets before there are any more victims.